From David Sirota at Open Left:
I stand by everything I wrote and said about Obama during the election – that includes both the praise and criticism. I, and many others who supported Obama, weren’t misled by him. I had my eyes wide open – just read the Nation piece I wrote about Obama after spending a day with him. He’s not a perfect president, and he’s not what I would call a movement progressive. I’m not happy about that, but I never thought otherwise.
But I did think – and continue to think – he was far and away the best and most progressive person for the job, among the serious contenders out there. [...] Likewise, if you think Hillary Clinton would be a more progressive president, then you either weren’t born – or weren’t paying attention – over the last 17 years of the Clinton administration (which she played a major role in) and Hillary Clinton’s career in the senate.
The Clinton argument, in particular, is so utterly stupid and silly. A big part of what Obama has to do right now is clean up after Clintonism. Granted, lots of the criticism directed at him is aimed at his failure to take on Clintonism, but the idea that Hillary Clinton would be better at taking on the ideology and policies she herself helped craft is inane.
[...]Among Clintonites, the “I Told You So” rants are just straight-up sore-loser-ism. Unable to accept that a first-term senator defeated their candidate who had every single advantage, they cannot embrace the new president, even as that new president (wrongly, IMHO) appoints her to a top position in his administration.
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So my message is pretty simple:
1. I – and other Obama supporters – have nothing to apologize for on this score. Nothing at all. If telling the truth makes you dislike me or anyone else, that’s your problem, not mine.
2. To Naderites, STFU and start doing the unglamorous work of building the third-party you say you really want.
3. To Clintonites, just STFU and slither back to your rathole of bitterness. Your candidate lost because she helped create the problems we now have to fix. Deal with that and become a productive member of society, or again, just STFU.
Sirota is living proof that Clinton Derangement Syndrome is not confined to conservatives. On any topic that doesn’t concern Bill or Hillary he’s a solid progressive, but if one or both Clinton’s is involved he’s a drooling idiot.
Obama has to “clean up after Clintonism?” WTF? What does he have to clean up, the peace or the prosperity? Does Dave really believe that the mess we are in right now is all the Big Dawg’s fault? Hasn’t ever heard of George W. Bush? Hillary had “every single advantage?” Obama had more money, the media and the Democratic establishment on his side.
What about FISA? Hillary voted no, Obama voted yes. Was Obama’s reneging on campaign finance “progressive?” How about his flip-flop on the “state secrets” privilege? Exactly what criteria is Dave using when he says Obama was the “most progressive” candidate?
Us Clintonites think Obama is a massive failure waiting to happen in progress. If we’re wrong that’s a good thing. If Sirota is wrong we’re all f*cked.
This is what Big Tent Democrat had to say about Sirota’s rant:
David still has his hate on for the Clintons and still is living in a fantasyland on Obama’s trade positions. Sorry David, Obama agrees with me and the Clintons on trade, not you.
Here’s a piece of advice for Dave from Abe Lincoln:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt”
IOW – STFU Sirota!
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UPDATE:
Joseph Cannon has more at Cannonfire:
During the primaries, David Sirota established himself as a key Obama cultist and Hillary-hater. Now he has published an anti-Obama column titled Obama’s team of zombies. Not many months ago, Daverino was himself among the walking dead.
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No mea culpa, no shrift. I won’t forgive Sirota for his despicable, deceptive behavior during the primary campaign until he asks for forgiveness — until he admits that he misled his readers.
Filed under: General
more progressive things about President Precious:
He failed to vote in favor of choice most of the time as a state senator.
He thinks women have late term abortions because they are feeling blue.
He will not have his picture taken with gay friendly Mayors of CA cities.
He said abortion was between a woman her doctor and her spouse….NOPE
He killed campaign finance reform.
He Luuuuuuuuuuvs him some Reagan.
The stimulated pork bill passes the Senate – now both houses have to reconcile the differences and pass a single bill.
The odd part is that Obama and the followers don’t seem to recall that he was part of the senate who permitted much of this to occur, and was rarely there to stop it.
He said abortion was between a woman her doctor and her spouse….NOPE
Actually, at least once Obama’s stated position was even worse – her, her doctor, her spouse and her PASTOR. Uh, I don’t think so.
Meanwhile, the dow jows is down nearly 300… they don’t appear too comforted by last nights lecture
The thing I notice about Sirota’s tantrum is that it’s fact free.
Clintons are bad because he says so.
clean up after Clinton??
Clean up what? Would he make a list please? Clean up the surplus blown by Bush or clean up the peace and prosperity we had when Bill was in office?
David, unless or until you can enumerate the items needing cleaning up then I suggest YOU STFU!!
I would really like to know how Hillary Clinton helped create the problems of torture, illegal spying, and the unitary exectuve. I’d ask Sirota, but I already slithered back to my rathole of bitterness.
Aaaahhhhhhhhh yes, the way to woo us back into the fold is to insult us. That worked so well durin g the election, why not try it again?
As they say, What is there about peace and prosperity that he doesn’t like?
i’m still trying to think about what we had to clean up after clinton …
chatblu,
Obama actively lobbied for the FISA bill and TARP. Hillary did neither.
And didn’t Obie’s D.O.J. **just** reaffirm the continuing of rendition and torture?
http://tinyurl.com/djto2t
I would really like to know how Hillary Clinton helped create the problems
Remember a year ago when it was a standard Obot talking point that Hillary had NOTHING to do with Bill’s administration? (except for HillaryCare, which was ALL her fault)
Bboomer, too true, too true. It is amazing how he has become the victim, hasn’t it? PS Do rats really slither?
Dakinikat,
I think the most interesting thing about Sirota’s tantrum is that Obama’s resemblance to Bush is apparently really getting to him, and he is taking out his anger on us. We psychologists call that “displacement,” which is one of the least mature of the defense mechanisms.
Fabulous post, Myiq2xu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chatblu,
Now that you mention it, snakes slither and rats scuttle.
Bboomer,: Or scurry.
I love it when smart people show how stupid they are.
Hey, I just want a competent president. If he or she leans to the left, even better. But we need a leader to get us out of this mess Bush left behind. And right now we’re all SOL.
Dakinikat,
I think Sirota is referring to the loosening of regulations on the banks, which began under Clinton (via Larry Summers, who is in charge under Obama) and then went completely out of control under Bush. That is apparently the Clintons’ fault. They should have known in advance that Gore would “lose” and and inexperienced, immoral, corrupt GW Bush win win and destroy the economy. They also should have predicted 9/11 and every other horrible event of the past 8 years.
My question is why do people like Sirota hate America?
They have no problem with the election process being overturned for the last 3 presidential elections. The fact that the voting public was overruled by a partisan few seems to mean nothing. The fact that their chosen one has no experience or idea of what to do to help this country and no will to learn does not seem to bother them. This country has given him and people like him a damn good life, why do they not want the best for her?
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, EQUALISTS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
BB – you’re really cracking me up!
I really don’t get why people find this type of ranting convincing. I looked up HRC’s “Progressive Punch” record during the primaries and it was higher than Obama’s. Plus, she had a lot longer to build it up, and did not vote “present” on anything.
The Obamazoid mindset just seems to assume certain things:
1) Clinton era/Bush era = Teh Same
2) Bill Clinton = eeeeevil president who “lost us” the Senate in 1994
3) Hillary Clinton = eeeeevil First Lady who is both responsible for all the “ills” of the Clinton Administration AND somehow gained no experience while creating those ills
4) Hillary Clinton = hateful warmonger whose vote for the AUMF means she is forever damned to the abyss of hell
5) John Edwards = sweet, angelic progressive whose vote for the AUMF means he is the most leftiest populist evah
They are so freaking pathetic! STFU Sirota INDEED.
Chatblu,
LOL! I like “scuttle” because it evokes an image of claws scratching and clicking and it is more negative sounding than scurry. Maybe Sirota meant that we are snakes living in ratholes?
Let me summarize the main point of Sirota’s political philosophy, including this piece:
Even when I hadn’t detected his CDS, I could never get through any of his diaries or writings at the Orange Koolaid Place. As someone called it on Talkleft today, his main problem is his intellectual snobbery (which doesn’t imply intellectual vigor, just posturing). Ironically enough, him and his cohorts are the anti-Clinton. One of traits I admire most in Bill and Hillary Clinton is their ability to understand complicated policy, connect it to actual realities and life of people, and then communicate it in a way that makes sense. By contrast, the intellectual snobs don’t have decent understanding of any topic, use jargons, usually use reference points that are out of reach (just to show their superiority). Compare that with the writing of Krugman, a recent winner of Nobel Prize. I have a much easier time understanding what Krugman wants to convey than understanding gasbags such as David Sirota.
David, sorry to inform you, but you have the Spoiled Trust Fund White Baby Syndrome (STFWBS). Your pieces suck, but you try to cover it up by using jargons and words of ‘gravitas”. Sorry pal, that doesn’t help, they still suck.
Person afflicted with the STFWBS are unable to acknowledge that after all their Ivy league education, sometimes a carpenter, because of his/her good sense and experience and clear mind…, have much better judgement than they do. Imagine you are a Harvard grad, and you find that out. Yes, like Sirota, you would twist your logic in a whole bag of pretzels in denial.
Rats also scurry away and abandon ship.
BB, the displacement thing makes sense. It’s just that no Pres 0 supporter can admit that they made a mistake. I used to like Sirota and felt he was fairly well-rounded in his thinking (albeit progressive).
See, the problem is they think that because Pres 0 shopped at Whole Foods and has his own organic farmer on WH lawns THAT makes him progressive. Note to Sirota: even strippers get colonics and are into natural health … doesn’t make them progressive … in fact, it doesn’t mean anything!
MadamaB,
Ask me how much I care about Sirota’s opinon on anything. Answer: pfffbt.
I spit on David Sirota! (h/t Katiebird)
ghost2 –
Can we apply this syndrome to Obama’s white half?
CDS cost us a Gore Administration
Back when I was still visiting the Great Orange Satan many months ago, David Sirota was having a crisis of confidence. He asked Kossackland for advice – what should he do. Should he keep writing columns, write books instead, give up political commentary altogether, do something else? Since I don’t visit the site anymore, I won’t put up a linky.
In my comment to that post, I advised him to keep writing since he had a large readership, and continue to develop his ideas in a public forum.
I hereby apologize for giving him such bad advice.
Also, I think it would help if we PUMAs start dismantling this notion that Obama is a Socialist. Mixing govt and corporations is FASCIST, isn’t it? It seems to me that Pres 0 is someone FDR would have been fighting in the 1930s.
just my two cents of bitterness anyway
Oh yeah, Sirota can go to Hell!
Fembots,
I have always disliked and distrusted Sirota. He resembles Obama in that he is little more than a self-promoter. He used to be despised at the Cheeto until he suddenly stopped criticizing Obama (yes, he was doing that for awhile) and became a drooling Obot. I suspect that happened in response to an infusion of funds.
myiq2xu, on February 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pm Said:
CDS cost us a Gore Administration
Yah and don’t forget Donna B.
Rats also urinate and defecate indiscriminately – they spoil more food than they eat.
Someone should tell Dave you don’t shit where you eat.
Not only does he think the Clinton years were bad, but it’s all the wife’s fault.
Someone should tell Dave you don’t shit where you eat.
or just tell him to eat shit.
Fembots – I’ve always thought Obama was a Stalinist at heart. He’s got the Bushian love of corporations plus a desire to make everyone “love” him.
” Obama had more money, the media and the Democratic establishment on his side.”
He also had the proper plumbing!
(But HRC had the ballz.)
madamab, on February 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm Said:
BB – you’re really cracking me up!
I really don’t get why people find this type of ranting convincing. I looked up HRC’s “Progressive Punch” record during the primaries and it was higher than Obama’s. Plus, she had a lot longer to build it up, and did not vote “present” on anything.
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I was dumb enough to believe that “progressives” believed in facts. During the early primaries, if you talked about Edward’s voting record, you were ridiculed; and after he dropped out and Obama’s non-liberal voting record was presented, you were banned.
The funny thing about the CDS progressives is they hate B&H for not being liberal enough, but now they rationalize Obama’s triangulating and rightward moves.
bostonboomer, on February 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm Said:
Chatblu,
LOL! I like “scuttle” because it evokes an image of claws scratching and clicking and it is more negative sounding than scurry. Maybe Sirota meant that we are snakes living in ratholes?
BB, when I think of “scuttle”, I think of TS Eliot
“I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.”
wow, I guess that does sum up Sirota — good call!
myiq2xu, on February 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm Said:
The funny thing about the CDS progressives is they hate B&H for not being liberal enough, but now they rationalize Obama’s triangulating and rightward moves.
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Rightward moves?? He answered that himself during the primary. When asked about his move “right”, his response was: ” I haven’t moved anywhere, “you” haven’t been listening”.
they hate B&H for not being liberal enough, but now they rationalize Obama’s triangulating and rightward moves.
Even though Clinton had a Republican Congress for six years, and Congress now has a big Dem majority.
“See the problem is they think that because Pres 0 shopped at Whole Foods and has his own organic farmer on WH lawns THAT makes him progressive. ”
And his own Chicago chef that’s now in the WH – nope, there’s another word for that and it’s not progressive.
Another note to Sirota, courtesy of a RW site:
Even when Obama has replaced Bush.
By the way, who is David Sirota? Should I have heard of him?
Fembots,
That might be where I summoned up that word. I used to read that poem in poetry reading competitions in high school. The only problem is Sirota is referring to US as “slithering” into our ratholes.
Of course, that could be what we psychologists call “projection,” another immature defense mechanism in which a person fails to recognize his own traits or emotions and instead applies them to another person.
I am actually shocked at the language used by a supposed journalist. And, btw, he is not EVEN ivy league. He is, however,
STFWBS, having gone to a prep school near here.
I wonder what he has ever actually done for anyone less fortunate, except try to make a name for himself.
He is only criticizing BO now because the ship is sinking.
I have always said, since college, that if having all of the advantages in life only makes someone a higher level consumer, what is the point?
These people are intellectual snobs who have no more claim to superiority than those having a ‘name’ or money (many of whom have corrupt connections).
What a childish rant.
Sirota writes of “Nadar fans” but “Clinton sycophants.”
their candidate who had every single advantage
This makes me laugh, as there was one major anatomical advantage she did not and does not have.
Uh oh, caught in moderation.
1. I – and other Obama supporters – have nothing to apologize for on this score. Nothing at all.
Uh, if you have to make a point of saying this, I think you are a little unsure of yourself and your candidate now, aren’t you?
Obams will make the job of SOS as unnoticeable as possible. He will keep her on limited trips. He will place others above her to go to any country in the middle east…Obama will diminish the job. Watch him.
He’s off to a good start too. He actually really does think he’s the king, not the president.
Why did I end up in moderation? Please release me, let me go….
FYI — Cannonfire also has a piece about Sirota if anyone is interested
“The Hotline notes that President Obama is scheduled to have dinner with members of the Blue Dog Coaltion tonight after he returns to Florida.”
“Eleven House Democrats voted with Republicans against the president’s economic plan. Stay tuned to see if he woos any of them successfully back into the fold. The tete-a-tete is closed to reporters.”
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He doesn’t need their votes. Why meet with them. It might be better than twisting arms at 3am like the Republicans did to get that last vote they needed for their Prescription Drug Plan – but Obama doesn’t need their votes.
“…David still has his hate on for the Clintons…”
I can’t help but think of words from that classic hit by Ozzy Osbourne…
“Mental wounds not healing,
Life’s a bitter shame,
I’m going off the rails on a Crazy Train…”
Actually, at least once Obama’s stated position was even worse – her, her doctor, her spouse and her PASTOR.
Oh, sister of ye — doctor/spouse/ pastor/owner — what’s the diff? /s
the Communist chinese have it right when dealing with “Super Tools” like Mr Sirota-
1) put a dunce hat on his head with his crimes listed
2) prade him through the streets where indignant PUMA’s can cast any thing from rotten veggies contaminated peanut butter to sharp rocks at him.
3) tell him his appology is aaccepted make him kneel down and put a bullet in the back of his brainless head-(note send bill for cost of bullet and execution squad to family)
what an idiot clinto was not in the white house for 17 years-I bet this jacka$$ thinks there are 57 states too!
say tr0ll and you get put in moderation by spammy but threaten Dave Sirota with serious bodily harm and it sails right through!
I have greater respect for spammy today!
Cannonfire also has a piece about Sirota if anyone is interested
I added a link and a short quote
helenk, on February 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pm Said:
My question is why do people like Sirota hate America?
They have no problem with the election process being overturned for the last 3 presidential elections. The fact that the voting public was overruled by a partisan few seems to mean nothing.
OOh, helen! great point! From now on when any Obot starts to justify Obama I’m going to simply say: “Why do you hate America?” LOL
janicen — we came thisclose to picking Crazy Train for our theme song on The View from Under the Bus.
of course Myiq2xu has again done a superior job bringing “super tool” to my attention!
lol! It’s great song, Angie!
Soon a woman’s decision may depend on input from her doctor, spouse, pastor AND Government Health Czar (because you know, the right to various medical treatments may depend on a cost benefit analysis …. too old, no treatment, chronic/costly illness & disability, no treatment, possibly birth defect …. ).
What’s really sad is that I first learned about political blogs in a column by Molly Ivins, and one of the blogs she recommended was Sirota’s.
He’s not worthy of Molly
madamab: this cracking up stuff, now you’re doing it to me.
ROFLMAO
Hillary is not just responsible for all the ills of the Clinton administration. She is the cause of everything Bush did, too.
Krugman:
What is even more strange is that people are still reading these fools. They change positions as often as Obama changes “campaign stops”.
Would David please offer his opinion on what constitutes a “progressive” these days since I lost the meaning sometime last summer 2008. Voting for FISA? Expanding Faith Based Initiatives? Nominating tax cheats to cabinet posts? Breaking every campaign promise even before he was sworn in?
Help me out here as it is getting more and more impossible to find a label that accurately describes his version of events. Or for the sake of ending the argument, by all means take both Clinton’s out to the woodpile and be done with it! It hasn’t happened yet but they are sure to be blamed for Nixon and Watergate before long.
And soon to be included on the Internet for all to see so that we will be assured we are getting our monies worth in watching this action play out. This will be known as transparency.
Here is Sirota criticising Obama 6 days ago on CNN:
Now he’s back to Clinton bashing-why? It can’t be because of a few emails he probably never reads.
PJ, one of the conservatives’ complaints against Hillary is that she served as a very junior staffer on some part of the Watergate investigation.
So you see, it is her fault.
Sirota drinks a pitcher of KoolAid before he sits down at his computer.
His book sales must be tanking on Amazon and he needs to appeal to those Obot dollars he may have lost by speaking out.
One other thing, when a commenter, or in this case a blogger with a following, uses STFU in trying to make a point my first impulse is to shut he/she right down. If all one can do is shout that out to the audience, they have already indicated that their argument lacks merit.
He is an idiot. No other way to describe him.
So Paul Krugman, who favored Hillary over Obama, is just another bitter loser?
CDS indeed-and an unwillingness to admit he was either duped-or lying.
plural: There is always Pearl Harbor! They may not have been born in 1941 but don’t let that stand in the way of finding fault with them. Somehow, someway, each had a hand in the US getting into WW2 and I won’t rest until one of these intellectuals connects the dots.
Pat,
Could you imagine what we would have learned about Joe the Plumber if his medical files were included in a governmental data base?
The National Coordinator of Health Information seems to be a hot topic on the web today. I guess Daschle said something like “seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them” in his book. Of course, that won’t apply to old politicians.
Siorota — whom I’ve never heard of before, btw — should focus a little more attention on the b.s. being pulled by Obama and stop worrying about what the rest of us are doing. For example — why the heck is no one addressing Obama’s statements that the only alternative to this stimulus package is “doing nothing?” Is anyone (even on the GOP side) seriously advocating doing nothing or is the debate about what exactly is in THIS bill? Lie number one. Second lie — why is everyone allowing Obama to pretend he was not in a Dem. majority Congress that pushed through the spending that doubled this deficit? Are we all just pretending that didn’t happen now so that Obama can act all surprised and indignant about it? Finally, I read some of the transcript and come to find out he actually said this:
We saw this happen in Japan in the 1990s, where they did not act boldly and swiftly enough, and as a consequence they suffered what was called the “lost decade,” where essentially for the entire ’90s, they did not see any significant economic growth.
I’m no dakinikat, but it has always been my understanding that Japan problem was that they did act too swiftly running up massive deficits that never stimulated the economy: Someone needs to point that out to Obama.
Of course, no one cares. All the a$$hats like Sirota care about is their spiffy looking President. They’re like magpies starting at something shiny.
Sorry, excuse the spelling/typo errors today …
Awww….give Sirota a break. The lack of any obvious brain activity could be due to the fact that he has his head stuck up his ass so far that his brain is lacking oxygen.
Honestly, Sirtota has got to be one of the dumbest guys on the planet and has lost all credibility as a human being.
Those stupid, idealistic, snotty, overfed, intolerant, spoiled, ungrateful 20 somethings have no idea what pain they brought on with their insistence upon getting this guy elected.
Uninformed and undeveloped, they paved the way for Big Brother whether they want to admit it or not. Someone needs to point out to these empty headed Obots they they too will get old one day, that their bodies will eventually begin to fail them, that living out one’s last years in fright is not what any of us every signed on for.
Or they may find themselves facing unplanned parenthood without the ability afforded to them to correct their futures with options being swept from the table.
Their day will come and I hope they have the wisdom to see what “changes” these ill winds have accomplished.
Until then, thanks for nothing.
YESSS! My favorite part
sam,
No need to apologize. We all make typing and grammatical mistakes here. We, unlike the koolaid drinkers, admit we are human.
semiwonky new thread up
and bb: $1300 for the damage the new orleans roads are taking on the underbelly of the mighty mustang, baghdad has to have better roads than us since katrina
If Obama is so great, such a wonderful president, then why does Sirota write that we have to “make” Obama do the right thing?
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4190/
Are Obama’s views so convoluted that he isn’t sure who to please?
And all the time I thought those little jabs here and there were just symptoms of age. Now I discover it was nothing but sharp elbows pushing me out the way by these spoiled brats.
What most of us here can at least attest to is that we have paid our dues. These babies have yet to earn a place at the table let alone telling us how to live our lives.
God save me from the righteous idiots dragging us down the path to who knows where.
The National Coordinator of Health Information seems to be a hot topic on the web today. I guess Daschle said something like “seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them” in his book. Of course, that won’t apply to old politicians.
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If Obama is trying to run changes in health care under the “radar” it should be stopped. The major problem with the stories today is that they originated for a political opportunist and foe of UHC, Betsy McCaughey.
From Wiki:
“In 1994, McCaughey (as she was then known) vigorously criticized the health care reform package proposed by Bill Clinton in a widely read article in The New Republic. The piece, “No Exit”, won the National Magazine Award for excellence in the public interest. Supporters of the Clinton plan (including some of the editors of the New Republic) were vociferous in their criticism of McCaughey’s criticism. (Andrew Sullivan, The New Republic’s then-editor later acknowledged “I was aware of the piece’s flaws but nonetheless was comfortable running it as a provocation to debate.”)[1] While the article was seized by conservative commentators seeking to discredit the Clinton plan, much of McCaughey’s article later proved inaccurate; particularly, her claims that “the law will prevent you from going outside the system to buy basic health coverage you think is better,” and that “doctor[s] can be paid only by the plan, not by you” were flatly contradicted by the text of the legislation.[2] (Section 1003 of the Health Security Act provided that “[n]othing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the following: (1) An individual from purchasing any health care services.”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_McCaughey_Ross
I think that BB is right about displacement; Sirota sounds like he has a very bad case of buyer’s remorse that he cannot handle.
Next he’ll swear the Zapruder film captures fuzzy images of Hillary on the grassy knoll.
Sirota is a word that rhymes with klutz.
I am and have been sad for our country. It is going to be a very difficult four years, indeed. When I read things like what Sirota wrote, well, perhaps what MO saidm ” sometimes it’s easier to hold onto your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your ignorance. That’s America.” And, boy, if that isn’t the truth in this case. Sirota is right that BO is no progressive. We knew that already. But, in the same breath to say that HRC isn’t – he is FoS! She has absolutely been a progressive. The fact that that blowhard is giving any kind of creedence says we are at an all time new low in the country.
And, that’s not all… that porkalicious package that BO is going on the road (bleck) to promote. Loves the adulation. Is riddled with not just fat but is invasive, intrusive & over-the-top:
“Much of the bill is irresponsible but possibly the scariest thing is the health provision that is being slipped in. It will electronically track all of our medical information on a national level. This is far more invasive of our privacy than the patriot act could have ever dreamed of. If you were concerned about a health issue and did not want it on your main records— now you could go to a different doctor. That could remain discreet. But with this provision anywhere you go will be recorded into your national records. All mental health, maybe some embarrasing health problem you don’t want recorded for all to see. Of course its being billed as improving health care and streamlining it. But Government officals will be able to “track” you treatments and intervene.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
This is a pretty significant thing. The potential for abuse is huge.
PS. Love using peeps words agin um.
>Sirota is a word that rhymes with klutz.
Nutz?
About this new health provision, Spector was grilled about it since he himself is older and had cancer- actually told it was hopeless. Went through new treatments at the time, I believe. He voted for cloture, and didn’t even know (it appears, as he was hedging answers) this new provision was in there.
I wonder how many senators knew about this?
Of course WE the people aren’t supposed to know nuthin’
Well, look at BTD’s piece. It’s ironic. He nails Sirota’s CDS and then justifies his own support of Obama, because he felt Obama would have an easier time “pushing an aggressive agenda” and that he was “more electable”. Tee hee hee. Does anyone with a brain in their head think Hillary would not have been elected? How about after Lehman fell? Does anyone think Obama is interested in pushing a progressive agenda? He just gave away the farm on his shamulus bill before the negotiations even started. Then, BTD goes back to that old saw about how Obama was “right” about Iraq, and Hillary was “wrong”. Idiot. Obama wasn’t a Senator. He didn’t even give a speech against AUMF, just the war. Guess what? So did Hillary when she voted for AUMF. These people, BTD AND Sirota, are so invested in Obama. It will be along time before they can admit they were wrong.
oooooh, the widdle baby sirota is shaking his fist and wants his rattle. seriously, what parallel reality is this scumbag in to attack the Clintons like this? sirota is ignorant beyond belief!!!
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It will be along time before they can admit they were wrong.
Even when they admit they were wrong they still deny it.
Sorry but I’ve never heard of this douchebag until today so he’s not even on the radar for me when I think of accomplished journalists. Also, what kind of “liberal journalist” tells half of the Democratic Party and progressives in the Green Party to STFU. Look in the mirror, douchebag. Look at the country crumbling around you. And I bet that in four years (or less than that -possibly the end of this year) we’ll be the ones telling Sirota to STFU as our country sinks deeper into depression while Obama galavants around the country giving speeches. People like Sirota are the ones to blame. Their CDS is what put Bush in the White House in the first place.
I did sign in and linked my post (and this one). let’s see if Sirota can take a dialogue or just likes screaming STFU to everyone
re: the health care thing.
And this is exactly the reason that when I’ve gone to a doctor (cash pay-no ins.) I have not mentioned anything about my back bothering me. It has absolutely killed me at times but I’m not letting this dr. treat me and if/when I get back to LA and get private health insurance there, they won’t have this on the records as being another thing they’ll call pre-existing.
Right now I take Aleve and if needed get on a heating pad.
Masslib, on February 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm Said:
Well, look at BTD’s piece. It’s ironic. He nails Sirota’s CDS and then justifies his own support of Obama, because he felt Obama would have an easier time “pushing an aggressive agenda” and that he was “more electable”. Tee hee hee.
I agree Masslib. BTD has gotten it right on almost everything except for his justification to vote for Obama, their positions on the issues, and his lack of understanding about why PUMAs and Clinton supporters didn’t vote for the guy or are now saying “I told you so”. There were other differences between Obama and Hillary besides health care. FISA, the economy and knowledge on the subject, women’s rights, LGBT rights, Social Security – you know, the issues that really matter to the average liberal middle class American. I think BTD also has a big ego and will never admit to his mistake even when all of the evidence that Obama wasn’t the best candidate to take care of the economy and our country is staring him in the face.
I’m in moderation
Agreed, Dis. It will always be too early to tell him I wrote-in Hillary, but I am so happy I did. I’m happy not to own any of this crapsandwich.
LOL! When I posted that piece by Sirota this morning, I knew it was going to piss myiq off!
Masslib, on February 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm Said:
Well, look at BTD’s piece. It’s ironic. He nails Sirota’s CDS and then justifies his own support of Obama, because he felt Obama would have an easier time “pushing an aggressive agenda” and that he was “more electable”. Tee hee hee.
I agree too. His main argument was that BO was the press darling. My reaction to that was: WHAT?? This is the same crowd that gave you Bush, the same crowd that enabled the Iraq War. It’s crazy. it’s like BTD says, well, I am making a deal with the devil. What pet issue that he has is more important that the foundation of democracy?? Worse, what he was getting out of the bargain was a ‘democrat’ that he ‘thought’ (without evidence) will be better at enacting progessive policies.
“Electablity’ arguments are pure bullshit. I remember tr0lls at DK were constantly saying that about Hillary, or that Obama wasn’t electable. Well, that’s ridiculous. I didn’t like BO, but that argument always pi**ed me off. That’s the same argument as a store owner saying that he can’t hire blacks or women because he will lose customers!! The gist of both arguments is really hiding the person’s own bigotry and blaming it on others.
Pat Johnson: God save me from the righteous idiots dragging us down the path to who knows where.
LOL! And here I thought the road to hell was paved with good intentions. But, nope, apparently it’s righteous idiocy.
Not to mention Obama’s expansion of Bush’s faith-based initiatives, his hedging on Universal Health Care, he is keeping Bush’s expanded executive powers to “fight terrorism with flexibility,” and he is largely funded by corporatists. We won’t even start with his ambivalence about choice and his anti-feminist leanings. Uh…where is the progressive in there Dave?
“…the last 17 years of the Clinton Administration”?
Sirota is quick to shove Sockpuppet Prez Dubya and Real Prez Cheney down the memory hole, isn’t he?
“Electablity’ arguments are pure bullshit.
Didn’t they notice that she actually won more votes than he did, even with his massive spending advantage, the DNC manipulations, AND the adulatory press? Polls done in November revealed that Hillary would have own by an additional 9 points.
ie: won
And what’s with all the “rating” of comments at Open Left and MyDD? It’s like high school.
I guess I’m just bitter because they hate me there. Oh, well. I’ll carry on somehow.