Astronauts for a Flat Earth vs. The Barbarian Hordes

barbariansburnbuildingThere are many things I’ve read in history that show how an unruly mob can change the direction of things.  The blogosphere is watching an unruly mob in action right now as Wonkette is trying to stack the WebBlog awards against all things PUMA.  I’ve started reading some of the threads coming in to The Confluence (example: here) and there’s a sense among some of the other folks in the other categories that they are the innocent victims of an unruly mob.  I’m sure that’s how the other Hun tribes felt when Attila assimilated them.

I’m still wondering how this blogwar got started but the basic idea is that Wonkette tribe has decided what it thinks PUMAS are and is out to crush them and it doesn’t care who gets hurt in the process. 

All you have to do is take a look back at the entire dark ages and the crusades to get a pretty good answer as to how this type of thing gets its start .  It basically starts with some ‘character’ who may or may not exist who gets an incredible amount of buzz placed around them that is clearly not based in history or fact or anything.   Thus, a mythical hero is born.  Some one to rape and pillage for … some one to use to justify an attack on other tribes, other religions, any other. It just builds and builds until you get a Spanish Inquisition or something similar.  

The King Arthur legends come to mind also.  A tribal king who may or may not exist turns into the great fictional hero just because tons of unruly mobs need some kind of  legend to mob around.  All kinds of morality plays develop to show that our legendary hero is just that mythical, legendary, and grounded more in a game of rumor than history and reality.  I know I just gave some examples of things way back when.  Why would I think that in an age of  ‘information’ we could possibly see the same kind of history repeat itself?

While many of the blogs are now upset that they’ve been caught up in the raping and pillaging which was no fault of their own, they too, now have been caught up in creating the legends that turn the truth into a myth that gets WAY out of hand.  In my first case, about 2000 years way out of hand.

MYTH NUMBER ONE:  It’s all about Hillary losing.  PUMAs just won’t get over it.  They are like Astronauts for a Flat Earth or WW2 Japanese Soldiers trapped up in the Hills refusing to believe the Emperor gave in.

While Hillary Clinton eventually wound up to be the candidate of choice for me, one year ago I had no preference.  What really drove me to the PUMA realization wasn’t Hillary losing, it was HOW she lost or rather HOW the DNC went around constructing an OBAMA win.   If anything PUMA is about holding the DNC accountable for cheating that occurred in caucuses, how the distributions of delegates was determined, how lopsided the punishment of Florida and Michigan was compared to other states that moved their primaries up also against DNC ‘rules’, and the railroading of the democratic convention process.  If you think all of this is just one big conspiracy theory on the part of PUMAS either do some research or take up residency in the bat cave with Cheney.  I’m not certain he’s turning that over to Biden even though I know the Obama administration will want to lock him up there eventually. So that’s it, it’s not about HILLARY losing it’s about HOW Obama  “won”.  Yes, the “win”  (sic) is in quotes.

MYTH NUMBER TWO:  All Pumas are conspiracy theorists.  In every population there’s the average and there’s the extremes and outliers.  Yes, you can find the folks that went searching for that Holy Whitey Tape and the Kenyan Birth certificate, but the majority of the PUMA sites (especially The Confluence)  never  jumped on to the wingnut stories. Again, I’ll go back to the basic reason PUMAs exist and that is how positively fucked up the primaries and caucuses were and how they were completely mishandled by the DNC and the DRC.

MYTH NUMBER THREE:  ALL Pumas are Racists and just can’t deal with the idea of a Black Man being president.  I’ll again point to the Bell Curve.  Of course there are Pumas that are racists but the majority are not.  The problems that PUMAs have with Obama has to do with his extremely small level of accomplishments and his overblown and now mythic intelligence and academic records (which by the way, the public has never seen).  It’s been debunked that he was the first black on the Harvard Review by Harvard themselves although mysteriously in Obama’s senate site there was a resume that said that sitting there for the two years he pretended to be the Senator from Illinois.  The man has never been in an election where extremely weird things haven’t happened–like getting all your opponents thrown out on technicalities, having sealed divorce records of your opponents magically show up in public, or having the delegates to your caucuses in places like Texas leave the process with tons of forms in their arms.  I’ve looked and as far as I can tell, the man has never even had a full time job.  There are PUMAs of color. It’s not his skin color.  It’s his Chicago political career and his appalling lack of experience. For me it was, oh no, not another person who got into Harvard as a legacy.  I’m frankly tired of legacy Ivy Leaguers.  The hardest thing about the Ivy Leagues is getting in there if you’re anything but a legacy.  Getting out is nearly guaranteed.  Think DUBYA.

MYTH NUMBER FOUR:  PUMAS are bitter old white women who find sexism everywhere.  Considering the number of times during 2008 racism was found EVERYWHERE,  I just gasp at the total lack of awareness on the part of people on the obvious sexism.   If some one stood up  in a room and asked Obama if he’d shine their shoes, that would be such obvious racism that I doubt the KKK would rise to debate.  If every where he went there were folks wearing t-shirts with the N word emblazoned across them, there would have been riots.  If effigies of Obama hanging from trees on Halloween, or  Little Black Sambo dolls were being manufactured with his face on them, the outrage from every where would have been swift and justified.  These things happened to the two women candidates in the white house races using sexist instead of racist tomes.  The outrage was nonexistent. In fact, most Pumas find the press duplicitous in the lack of vetting of Obama and the complete  frat boy atmosphere that ruled when it came to the women in the campaigns.

Side myth to this:  ALL Pumas are uneducated.  Just having spent time on any of the PUMA sites, I have to say this is really not true.  If anything, especially at the Confluence, there are a large number of PUMAS with advanced educations.  Not that this really matters because having worked for universities for years I can attest that there are some miserably stupid people out there with Phds.  I really get tired of this elitist tome.  Believe me, some times I really wish I was kat the plumber instead of kat the economist.  Last week would have been a perfect time for that in my house.

MYTH NUMBER FIVE:  PUMAS voted enthusiastically for Mcain and Palin, were basically Republicans all along and were just spoilers.   All you have to do is go back to The Confluence’s voting strategy series to see that there were very few PUMAS that fell into the enthusiastic Republican voters categories.  Yes, there were folks who eventually decided they felt more at home as Republicans.  Many decided to re-register independent.  But most of the PUMAS I’ve met are still your basic democrat with no party home any more because they feel the party has abandoned its root principles including, most importantly the ONE man ONE vote principle. Most PUMAs I know disagreed with everything Sarah except for the fact that as a sitting governor, she didn’t deserve to be treated like a bimbo.

 Now you can continue to rewrite history out there in the blogosphere, much like Constantine the high priest of the Sun God decided to invent Christianity, create the Jesus myth, and control slaves, women, pagans, children, barbarians and other Roman property or you can sit back and use the internet to find the facts.  This is after all, the information age or have  you decided to ignore science and just restart the Spanish inquisition?

99 Responses

  1. If they were so lacking in ethics and character that they wrote a bunch of b.s. about people they didn’t know and didn’t bother to know do you think they’ll suddenly see the light because of the truth.

    Fact is these folks are haters. And they hate anyone and everyone that doesn’t climb aboard their tacky little bandwagon.

    We know who and what we are and what we stand for. If they are too ignorant or too lazy to find out and accept the truth then we are better off for not interacting with them in any way.

    Personally I would just as soon not. People who have the kind of personal habits many of them seem to have might be carrying something contagious. Something that no longer responds to penicillin.

    But you are a better person than I for trying kat.

  2. Great post Dakini, I am so glad you addressed all the PUMA myths.

  3. Pumas understand what democracy should be and what it was not during this selection.
    I don’t know any Puma who was happy that the democratic party lost it’s way and forgot what it was supposed to be.
    Many had to question all their beliefs this year and it was not fun.
    Color had nothing to do with the problem.
    Why was the treatment of Senator Clinton and Governor Palin accepted by the democratic party? Is that their new belief now women are to be trashed.
    The democratic party made me ashamed to be called a democrat. After many many years I left the party and became independent. I will have to question all democratic nominees in the future much more than ever.
    Look at the contempt they have for the Senate. Push a women with no interest because of her father and uncle.
    Try to block a man who was legitimately appointed by a sitting governor because of a scandal in which the man has no part

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  4. Kim: i was looking at all the other blogs that were whining about being caught up in the whirl wind and they seem to all have these stereotypes about PUMAS. I felt absolutely compelled to write about that.

  5. it’s easier for people to embrace the legends rather than search for the truths

    and to think, I was going to discuss universal health care today (sigh)

  6. i think burris’ basic sin was to not be the choice of the DNC establishment … i think pelosi,obama, reid thought they’d get to handpick all the replacements and blago just sent an Up YOURS to them in a big way.

  7. Wonderful post! Thanks for addressing all the pertinent points so lucidly. I too have an advanced degree and teach at a university. I am in the extreme minority as most of the people I know think that Obama walks on water. It’s very depressing.

    You are also right about stupid people with Ph.Ds.

  8. They are not impassioned unless they have someone to hate. I saw this early on in the primary first hand. There never was any such thing as Unity and hope. It’s hatred and bullying. Plain and simple.

    They are more willing to reach out to Warren then spend one moment trying to understand PUMAs. They were fueled by misogyny and need it still like oxygen.

    Why aren’t they out doing all the good works that Obama supposedly inspires?
    That crap was always a sham. Welcome to the Obama Hustle.

    “Doo- doo – doo – doo -do-do- do -do-doo-doo do the hustle”

  9. Thank you for this. It is very much needed. Personally, I do not give a d@mn what other people think. I keep remembering how many people thought Reaganomics would save the USA and how many people thought the Iraq War was a good idea. These “enlightened” Obamacrats are the same people that voted for Bush in 2000, 2004, backed the Iraq War and in some cases voted for Reagan. As my mom says, better to be alone than to be in bad company.

  10. what kenoshamarge said. dakinikat — this is a great post & sums up & refutes the lies being spread on the anti-PUMA sites, and while I think it will help those who are beginning to investigate what it is going on, it is not going to matter one whit to those bloggers for the simple fact that they like the lies; heck, in many cases they invented them! I saw you politely try to explain these things on RR last night & what did you get for your calm, reasoned approach? A bunch of hatred spewed at you — that is how these people operate — it is the hate that gets them up in the morning.

  11. well, i was in the minority when it came to the iraq invasion too, i still remember having people come over and tell me how unamerican i was when i was discussing how misplaced the invasion was with friends over brunch. some times you just have to wait for history to prove you right, unless they REWRITE the friggin history. i’m trying to not let that happen on many levels.

  12. I smell a troll

  13. Definitely a troll at 1:10.

    Maybe kat should’ve addressed the sub-myth that we’re all cat people-not that there’s anything wrong with that but some of us have dogs, too.

  14. Dakinikat,

    I remember one Christmas when I told my family (for the millionth time) that the Iraq War was a bad idea; that it would turn into another Vietnam, I was given the silent treatment by all of them. It got so bad that my husband and me had to leave before Christmas dinner was served and presents exchanged. Of course by the next year, my family all apologized and agreed with me about the war. If I can withstand my family’s silent treatment I can certainly withstand Obamanation’s BS.

  15. I have been reading ” wankers and wankettes ” for a few days now … and they have the depth of perception and stupid sarcasm that anyone can find on any given day on myspace of facebook .. they do not even rise to the level of irony or political satire , and this ” our blog is going to flame war and beat you and your friends by cheating for the oh so coveted awards ” , is classic myspacefacebook idiocy . Do you get a free subscription to kink magazine when you register there ??? This is the Brittany Spears and American Idol crowd , in Poison Ivy League disguise .
    Remember the UNFUNNY DJ guy in GOOD MORNING VIETNAM who was going to TELL everyone what was REALLY FUNNY ?? those are his kids over there ….
    Anyone can tell they are still new to the net and anatomy jokes … any sentence that contains penis or vagina or slang synonym for same passes as humor , I am so unimpressed ….

  16. Great post, dakini. In many respects, while I found this election (”selection”?) year to be depressing, I feel so much freer as a voter. As I watched the scurrilous behavior of the DNC in real time on May 31, 2008, I started to ask myself when was the last time Democrats stood up for their principles (or at least what I thought were Democratic principles). Sadly, I had to go back to Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society and civil rights legislation to find a time when Dems weren’t just as self-serving as Repubs.

    PUMAs appear to be the last surviving liberal Dems, actually, even if some of us currently are not affiliated with the official party. Additionally, we’re not foolish enough to believe that any politician walks on water. They all have feet of clay. We’re the last of the non-romantics. We understood that “Hope and Change” was just a marketing slogan without the legislative history to back it up.

    Finally, any liberal–or conservative–who tried to rationalize the vote of Obama and other senators on FISA really ought to examine his/her core principles. There are no satisfactory excuses for that vote. None.

  17. DARN am in moderation *cry*

  18. FL Voter, I went to the Iraq war protests, and they were anemic at best. Most Democrats were for the war at the time.
    Now, you can’t find anyone who was for it. People are such liars.

  19. Kat, which other blogs are you referring to?

    My first angry moment came when I learned that the Florida and Michigan votes would not count. It made me livid. How could the Democratic Party, the party that champions voter rights, actually silence the voters in two states?Kucinich and Hillary where among the few who kept their names on the Michigan ballot and Hillary was the ONLY major candidate to do so. At the time I was vacillating between Kucinich and Edwards but I remember thinking highly of Hillary for letting the Michigan voters know that their voice mattered to her.

    I will never return to the Democratic Party. They no longer represent the ideals that I cherish.

  20. Mawm,

    That also goes along with the I didn’t vote for Bush line. I hear that alot these days from Dems.

  21. Mawm- Most people that I met in Iraq War protests were >50 yrs. old, the same anti-war folks that have been here since ‘Nam.

  22. Mawm:

    Yeah, those anti-war protests were lonely affairs. The ones I went to had less than 100 protestors.

    People got angry at us, waving fists and flipping us off as thwey drove by.

    Now I find out I was standing in the middle of huge crowds.

  23. my: can you do TR*LL monitoring for me? My Lama showed up at the front door, unexpectedly.

  24. jules:

    Your inquiry can be construed as wingnutty.

  25. The guys over at Wonkette are guys. And they are acting like threatened guys. Don’t let them waste your time. Create your own reality and then work to make it the worlds reality.

  26. Damn right, grayslady. There is no freakin’ way to sugarcoat FISA. But I recall one obot claiming that it showed how “clever” Obama was to beat the Republicans at their own game. Unbelievable! Nope, obots, you’ve been had. And the sad thing is that the kool-aid kids keep going back for more of the same swindle. How many Republican moves must Obama make before they realize that (oh my!) he’s a freakin’ Republican!

  27. swanspirit, me too! Will someone please tell spammy to let me out?

  28. Excellent post dispelling the PUMA myths, Dakinikat. The Wankers have zero integrity, cheat, and are really pathetic. What a bunch of brats with no self-respect or respect for anyone or anything else other than their own ego driven needs (and Obama love). Life must be a miserable journey for them.

    How stale the satisfaction for the Wankers to win by cheating. How are they any different than W lovin’ Republicans?

  29. Dakinkat:

    El gusto es mio

  30. Which other sites are whining? Last I saw we weren’t encouraging anybody to “vote down” non PUMA sites. It is the immature Obots who are encouraging people to vote for sites they like because of a name rather than the actual content of said site. Quite frankly, if I were TPM I’d be upset, but it wouldn’t be at PUMAs, it’d be at the nutwads who are voting for me out of spite rather than because they like my site and its content. Yes, this site has recommendations for the vote but the recs are legit ones to sites that the recommender enjoys. As opposed to the Wankers at Wonkette who seem to even admit that they only reason for the recommendations they make is spite. Anyway whatever. Juvenile people are going to be juvenile. There isn’t much to be done about it. I’ve found whining doesn’t really work when it comes to changing people and their behavior. So I wish them lots of luck with that.

  31. taggles, I believe we need clean up in your asile.

  32. For me, It was disgust from the first, when first I espied GWB .. to this day I can barely tolerate him , and I KNEW deep inside he was giong to bring this country to some horrific scandal , possibly the worst we have ever known .. and never voted for him and I was totally against the war in Iraq.
    Fo bo , on first sight, and hearing his speech about why he was choosing to run for president ( because he deserved it and it was HIS TIME ) I got an even worse feeling from bo , what can I say …… that is my true response .

  33. Frankly, I didn’t go to any protests. I didn’t think the invasion of Iraq was a smart thing to do but I wasn’t sure enough to take to the streets.
    That’s partly why I’m so against being rolled by Obama. We need to stop letting ourselves be led by fools and I’m holding myself accountable for my relative silence in 2002.

  34. gripatriot:

    The Weblog Award poll is no big deal. We’re way smaller than most of our competitors, so them beating us is no surprise.

    What’s sick and disturbing is the misogynistic stuff they said about PUMA at Wonkette.

  35. Wonderful post, Kat.

    The people who are creating the myths are the corporate media, to whom any challenge of their Beloved Precious, no matter how small, is anathema. That is why so many “liberals” who love Obama believe them.

    Of course, the Obamasphere ate the myths up hook line and sinker, forgetting that the media was lying for Bush for five years before Katrina and the Soc Security bamboozlement tour that was an epic fail. All of a sudden, we trust everything the media says? Mmmmm hmmmm.

    In any case, I must be in the center of Liberal Murka, because the big Iraq war protest I went to had at least 250,000 people. It was very representative of our melting pot nation, too.

    At work, though, most people were for the war.

  36. Bill O and I went toe to toe on Iraq after I got tired of hearing him call me a traitor for disagreeing with Iraq. He was somewhat polite and toned down the rhetoric because I am a vet.(Hard to consider someone who served 12 years a traitor).I thought it was a mistake from the get go and continue to think it is a mistake.

  37. AARP is totally unaware of Pampers Cuts to Social Security and Medicare…

    They provided me a link to Obama’s policy site….

    I think every conflucian should send AARP an email about His decision to include SocSec as an “entitlement” program….that needs to be made “more efficient”

  38. THANK YOU, dakinikat, for restating this phenomenon in historical terms. Having known people who survived the modern era of China, I keep getting reminded of the violence of Mao’s Red Guard, especially in light of Ayer’s and Klonsky. It will be interesting to see how this mob plays out in terms of the other assaults on the dynamic of American democracy.

  39. Amen, cwaltz! I’m right there with ya.

    What happened to Dick Cheney? When he was with Bush I, he (and Bush I) predicted EXACTLY what would happen if they invaded Iraq. They were 100% accurate in their predictions.

    All of a sudden, it’s 1998 and Cheney has joined the neocon whackjobs at the Project for the New American Century.

    http://newamericancentury.org

    These guys were trying to get President Clinton to invade Iraq, using the same WMD/Iraq is a threat arguments they used in 2003.

    Something tells me Cheney found out how much money he could make by supporting the invasion. Either that, or the heart operations affected his brain. I hear that can happen sometimes.

  40. I checked the Jon Swift blog you linked to and read his comment that said we just have a problem getting use to the idea of a black man in the WH. If he had bothered to check, he would know better. I can’t imagine making such a statement about someone based on rumor. I would have left a polite comment, but my computer went a little wacky there.

  41. I was thinking about social security last night, because of all the posts I have read about it lately. Obama was making noise that the social security system is broken all through the election. This is one of the many things that really irritated me about him, because calling social secuirty “in crisis” is a right wing ploy.
    Anyway, I was thinking last night that maybe his strategy of dividing the young from the old, which worked well for him in the election, could also be a way to soften the population up for cuts to Social Security. He could have his minions start the meme that the terrible baby boomers are the big monkey on the back of the young, and in order to “solve” the economic crisis, people who are no longer productive are going to have to take cuts in their benefits.

  42. Two observations:

    One, the citizens of Obotia have never, ever been able to function without someone to hate. They require hate as their fuel and when one target goes down, they move on to the next. The failure of their “movement” has been their inability to articulate a positive vision for more than 2 seconds without falling back into drooling group hate sessions.

    Two, it seems a whole stack of people online think they’re practicing something they call “snark,” but the vast majority of them simply don’t have the writing skill to carry it off. Tragic, really. They come off as teenage boy band fans who actually think they’re clever.

  43. Call me picky, the reason I don’t support Barack Obama was because of what he did during the primary. We have sent men and women to die in the name of democracy, the least we can do is ensure that each and every person who wishes to participate in it get their say. Their say shouldn’t consist of the votes will get split 50/50 regardless of what the voter wanted. Furthermore I didn’t like his behavior one bit. Leaders lead. Good leaders don’t stand by and allow their opponents to be savaged under false pretenses(racist this racist that). The Clintons may have forgiven his behavior. I won’t. The fact that he didn’t speak out and allowed supporters to wear Sarah Palin is a c*nt tshirts with no remark upon it, makes him complicit in my eyes. I’m a big believer though in what Burke said,”All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

  44. Constance,

    What do you think we are doing? Help out or run along.

  45. GAgal, here’s what you say to Jon Swift — “It isn’t the color of Obama’s skin; it’s the content of his character I have a problem with” — it begs the question: Were people so eager to have a man of color be president that the means justified the ends?

  46. Mawm – As usual, you have hit the nail on the head.

    We are witnessing the reason behind the “young rule, old drool” propaganda he employed throughout the election. He wants to eviscerate the Social Safety Net and let the old, sick and female drop right through it, and he will use Social Darwinism to do it.

    Have I mentioned today how much I hate the Reagan Libertarians (Arianna, Kos, WKJM et al) who pretended to be Democrats just so they could drag this unqualified con man into the White House? And who convinced people who should have known better to go along with them?

    F*cktards.

  47. Dakinikat,

    This post is brilliant! This is so good, I think it should be highlighted at the top of the blog or one of the sidebars.

  48. BTW – Jon Swift is a satirist. I don’t think he really believes we are r*cists, although it’s certainly a myth worth debunking, as Kat has done so beautifully.

    JMHO.

  49. grlpatriot, I would have but my computer really did go whacko when I was there. I had to force quit and reboot. Probably something on this end but I’m not willing to try again!

  50. mad,
    I did notice it was a humor blog, but calling a group of people racists surely isn’t funny to anyone. It’s no biggie, who cares what he thinks?

  51. Alice:

    According to Obamanationals “You’re fat, and ugly too!” is “snark”

    They think they are witty. They’re half right.

  52. oops moderation said the r word – sorry

  53. I like Jon Swift. He had satire directed at everyone during the election. Everything he/she says should be taken with a big salt lick. Think A Modest Proposal.

  54. myiq2xu, on January 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pm Said:

    Alice:

    According to Obamanationals “You’re fat, and ugly too!” is “snark”

    They think they are witty. They’re half right.

    There was a bar in my home parish that had these decals which read:

    You’re ugly and yo momma dresses you funny

    I think that describes them to perfection.

  55. Alice, I think you’re correct about the “hate”. The liberal blogosphere started out as a response to the stenographic behavior of the traditional media in reporting on political events. We had a common enemy–namely, George W. Bush and his idiotic ideas about government. Unfortunately, too many of the posters on the early blogs didn’t know how to be the loyal opposition. All they wanted to do was criticise anything that they believed wasn’t Democratic enough for them. It was easy to leave those blogs once it became clear that most of the posters were more interested in being approved of by the community than in making sense with their comments or being polite to political visitors.

  56. grayslady:

    Too many of these people can’t differentiate between cogent argument and personal attacks.

    We do a thoughtful post on a topic, and they ignore the issues and attack us.

  57. Myiq

    That’s what happens when you spend all your time memorizing the lines to Caddyshack and Animal House instead of going out into the wide world and learning about issues and the differing opinions on them.

    It’s quite sad when you think that recognizing the line to a novie in some way, shape or form makes you superior. That’s a pretty low bar.

  58. What was the name of that movie with Charlton Heston about soylent green?
    Is that what backtrack is promoting. Only some survive and all others to be used and discarded.
    I do not know why that went through my mind as I was reading about the divide being created between age groups.
    Are the crippled and injured next in line for disposal ?
    We already have throwaway children in foster homes are they to be disposed of too?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  59. The “synthesis” blog is a pretty good one. I dunno, maybe it’s just sour grapes going on.

    I consider myself pretty open minded and I read a lot of blogs. You guys need to tone it down a little and get back on message instead of getting into a snarkwar. It’s not that this place is completely void of good ideas; it’s that those good ideas will get buried under all the harpy reactions. I was pretty neutral about all of it and was directed here by someone who was sending out a humorous email about “blog wars”, and if I were to put this blog up against the competitors in the blog awards based on the last 10 or so posts, this blog looks horrible and uninteresting and lacking good thoughtful posts.

  60. I’ve seen a lot of PUMAs at their official facebook.com page. Many young and attractive people. PUMA haters will always try to find the worst looking person to represent millions of Democrats unsatisfied with our party.

  61. myiq2xu, on January 8th, 2009 at 2:29 pm Said:
    grayslady:

    Too many of these people can’t differentiate between cogent argument and personal attacks.

    We do a thoughtful post on a topic, and they ignore the issues and attack us.
    ——————————————–

    They learn from “role models”, if in this instance ‘role model’ means talking heads. The republicans started it with their extremely polarizing treatment of the Clintons, and it’s forced Dems into a rabid version of the Reps.

    I’m so over “politics” as everyone is talking, but no one is listening…while someone else is stuffing money in their pockets.

  62. Also quite a few of them are graduates of ivy league schools. I saw quite a few Yale and Columbia alums who are part of the PUMA group.

  63. No To P*nis Power — take a good look — I debunk every single one of those “myths” and so does every single person on this sight.
    The only ones who seem desperate for sex are you & your pals.

  64. No To Penis Power!, on January 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm Said:
    Any women who votes on the basis of sexual genitalia is a sexist.
    ————————————————–

    Any people who vote on the basis of skin color, are racist.

    Well said, NTPP!

  65. Meh

    Disenfranchised it looks like a bunch of gossip. Although I will say that if Obama has cheated and it is exposed that I wil enjoy watching Michelle squirm after her comments about Hillary during the primary. I’ll have to say a ton of Hail Marys because it isn’t very Christian but I say It couldn’t happen to a more deserving woman. I found it absolutely disgusting how she attempted to paint Hillary as somehow responsible for Bill’s roving eye.

  66. helenk, on January 8th, 2009 at 2:43 pm Said:

    What was the name of that movie with Charlton Heston about soylent green?

    helenk — the movie was named Soylent Green. LOL!

  67. Cwaltz:

    They are the Jerry Springer generation, raised on video games.

  68. Seems like all’s not well between Obama and some of the Congressional Dems who believe Obama’s proposed tax cuts are misdirected. I wonder what they will do if Obama proposes legislation to significantly alter Social Security. I called Harry Reid’s office to ask if Reid still stood by his position on Social Security on his website. This was written a couple of years ago. I was assured that not only did he stand by his position but he feels even stronger now about the importance of Social Security to this country.

    Obama has learned from Bush that fear sells and he is in full fright mode to get what he wants. But even Republican Senators see this as the wrong time to make significant changes to Social Security. Once again Obama is over reaching and underqualified.

  69. I thought this was interesting, from DV’s link:

    And some Washington insiders suggested that she was the victim of an 11th-hour attempt to smear Obama by die-hard Hillary supporters.

    But now the rumours have resurfaced, suggesting that they may be coming from elements in the Republican Party.

    Golly gee, they blamed PUMAs for that ridiculous rumor, but wouldn’tcha know, we didn’t do it.

    Quelle surprise. SNORT.

  70. As reported earlier today, Gawker Media has parted ways with three of its blogs: Gridskipper, Idolator, and Wonkette.

    Gawker head honcho Nick Denton explained to Silicon Alley Insider that the decision to sell the sites was based on the economy, lack of advertising, and his desire to get lean before the blogosphere implodes. “There’s a cold wind coming,” Denton told Silicon Alley. “We need to focus on our core titles.”

    …Ken: It is true, the traffic figures. Now, Wonkette is one of the very top politics blogs. We did 6 million pages last month — another record — and 1.2 million unique visitors. We’re a very big politics site, no doubt. But it’s also true that Gawker sites did 200-plus million views last month. And there’s your 3%.

    Obviously, I like political news to be subsidized by fluff. This is why whatever half-naked tart of the month is on the cover of Vanity Fair, but inside you get these great news features and investigations and political rants. I don’t mind that situation. But the truth is that fewer publishers/broadcasters in any medium are willing to subsidize news and politics. Tribune Co. doesn’t want to do it, the TV networks don’t want to do it.

    …Ken: The main one, really, is BlogAds. That’s where the political ads are. In a good newspaper or website or magazine, the ads are hugely important to understanding the world that title is about. Travel mags need those glossy travel ads and the discounter ads in the back; the Economist needs all those weird Help Wanted Federal Bank Executive for Zaire ads — you know? Wonkette needs to be surrounded by every crazy political ad campaign.

    The fact is that Wonkette over the past 3 months has had a 20% loss in traffic and the quality of its commenters has declined. An aggressive blog-war resulting in winning the category could be very useful in obtaining some sort of ad revenue.

  71. madamab, on January 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pm Said:
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    Fellow PUMAs have never caused me to doubt them for a second…

    God it’s so frustrating the way that I’ve seen women and men supporting Hillary have been discounted, and knocked down…by smarmy, hipsters who are clueless about anything other than looking cool and sounding cynical. Sarcastic f*ckers.

  72. Angienc@
    Thanks.
    I had not thought of that movie in years.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  73. scoutt: You are so right, the Boites do not have passion unless they have someone to hate. Misogyny and hatred are their drugs. It is a lot like in those old science fiction movies where the monster feeds on your fear. With misogyny of the Democrats now out in the open we need to use this opportunity to call attention to it and kill it for good.

  74. If I were an advertiser I’d be very careful before attaching my brand name to a site that advocates cheating or thinks rape is funny or spends its time making fun of an overweight person. Id’ be very leary regardless of traffic.

  75. Sorry forgot to put in blockquotes and intro.

    Intro-It’s all about money.
    From an LATimes link on pumapac-”Interview with the new owner of Wonkette”:

    As reported earlier today, Gawker Media has parted ways with three of its blogs: Gridskipper, Idolator, and Wonkette.

    Gawker head honcho Nick Denton explained to Silicon Alley Insider that the decision to sell the sites was based on the economy, lack of advertising, and his desire to get lean before the blogosphere implodes. “There’s a cold wind coming,” Denton told Silicon Alley. “We need to focus on our core titles.”

    …Ken: It is true, the traffic figures. Now, Wonkette is one of the very top politics blogs. We did 6 million pages last month — another record — and 1.2 million unique visitors. We’re a very big politics site, no doubt. But it’s also true that Gawker sites did 200-plus million views last month. And there’s your 3%.

    Obviously, I like political news to be subsidized by fluff. This is why whatever half-naked tart of the month is on the cover of Vanity Fair, but inside you get these great news features and investigations and political rants. I don’t mind that situation. But the truth is that fewer publishers/broadcasters in any medium are willing to subsidize news and politics. Tribune Co. doesn’t want to do it, the TV networks don’t want to do it.

    …Ken: The main one, really, is BlogAds. That’s where the political ads are. In a good newspaper or website or magazine, the ads are hugely important to understanding the world that title is about. Travel mags need those glossy travel ads and the discounter ads in the back; the Economist needs all those weird Help Wanted Federal Bank Executive for Zaire ads — you know? Wonkette needs to be surrounded by every crazy political ad campaign.

    The fact is that Wonkette over the past 3 months has had a 20% loss in traffic and the quality of its commenters has declined. An aggressive blog-war resulting in winning the category could be very useful in obtaining some sort of ad revenue.
    And in using adolescent kids as freebee workers – he is exploiting them no less than Obama did. They together with women are the most vulnerable classes in society.

  76. Personally if I were Ken Layne in order to gain a readership I’d do a little less fluff and a little more substance and I’d hire someone to babysit his Wankergartners and what they post.

  77. link: http://tinyurl.com/6exjj6

    sorry must go and make supper-stomach is rumbling (and so is my son).

  78. madamab — I totally agree with you. Its social darwinism. But the good news might just be that Senators from both sides of the isle believe that significant changes to Social Security and Medicare should not be tackled at this time. My Republican Senator who believes in privatization says not now and maybe not ever.

    If large corporations are hurting then getting more more money out there to help the people will also help these corporations. However Obama’s misdirected sympathy toward the rich is stunningly obtuse in light of the situation at hand.

  79. Mary Mary quite contrary:

    Thank you for your concern.

  80. (fairly) nice link on New Brit Feminism: http://tinyurl.com/8pt3s3

  81. helenk,
    Well, if it’s gonna be soylent green for us at least they’ll take us into a room, let us look at pretty pictures and listen to beautiful music before they euthanize us, dye us green, chop us up into little pieces and feed us to the masses. Got to look at the positive side of things!

  82. S. Hall – I would like to err on the side of optimism as well. I think those Senators know that what worked for Obama in the national election won’t work for them. He is unique Unto Himself, yea, verily.

    THEY cannot afford to piss off the biggest voting bloc in the country. Obama could only do it because the Repubs stayed home, and he was riding a massive wave of anti-Bush furor.

    If the Repubs don’t even want this “reform,” then we know it’s dead in the water. That may not stop O’ToneDeaf from pushing it, but I do not think he’ll succeed.

  83. Good post dakinikat. Thanks.

  84. I did not know that the-place-that-has-no-name was a commercial site. We should not be in the same category as they are. Perhaps next year the awards site should separate out commercial and individual sites.

  85. This is so juvenile, but typical. What’s funny is many of the librul dudes are like 50 but still think they’re 17 and there is no life beyond the net. The war mentality is sad. They’re pathetic but watch out, they can get nasty and crossover into rl and call child protective services and so on.

  86. Hi PUMAs,
    Here’s a little bit of useful intel…

    Ron Paul supporters got the Wonkette warblog treatment during the primaries. If you think what they’re saying about you is bad, you should check out some of their coverage of the “Paultards.” It was pretty vicious and lasted for months. Anyway, my point is that the Ron Paul Forums are still fairly active. Plus, I know they hold a grudge against Wonkette. I don’t think there are any pro-Paul blogs in the Best Liberal blog category. It might not hurt to drop them a note and let them know what’s up. They won’t like your politics, but some may be persuaded to vote against Wonkette out of spite.

    If you can get their help, these guys are pros at winning web-based polls…

    Also, I cringed when you called the Wonkette vote rigging scheme “raping and pilaging. ” I suspect other readers did too.

  87. I voted for The Confluence and looked at the stats. RD was ahead of everyone else but Wonkette and I think Talk Left. The total votes were something around 20k. I would say it’s not worth losing any sleep. Can we vote repeatedly?

  88. grace the spot has a post up about this, and some choice words for wonkette. a lot of people like jon don’t agree with our politics, but still think fair is fair. well, we did, too, before the rules and bylaws committee got us all confused ;-)

    http://gracethespot.com/?p=616

  89. It isn’t TalkLeft, it’s TPM. It’s part of the big grand plan where the Wonktards vote for a site they don’t normally visit in order to “vote Confluence down”

    It’s the essence of juvenile and if I were the weblog award site, I’d have called Wonkette out for the behavior. The award will mean nothing if the reality is that the sites getting the awards really don’t have a particular readership and votes were given to game the system.

  90. I see that the paste on graces blog included Jon Swift’s “snarky” comment calling us r@cist too. Her blog seems cool tho’.

  91. GAgal, careful. I’m an “Obot.” ;) I just don’t like vote rigging. Although I will admit to voting for The Confluence yesterday. I will have to sleep with one eye open now. :)

  92. Grace: checked your site out, delightful

    totally hate vote rigging, believe me

    :-)

  93. This really is classic humor. I’m loving it!

  94. Thanks, dakininkat for debunking myths. I read your post late in the day and didn’t realize you’d linked to Jon Swift and yes, he’s a satirist, but I didn’t like when he implied we were racists. Does he ever read Puma sites?
    Hi derridog, I remember your comment on DKos questioning the motives of “progressives” labeling Bill Clinton a racist for comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson. I loved that comment. Thank you.

  95. oops, I misspelled dakinikat, sorry. Help myiq, you’re in charge.

  96. In charge?

    The only thing they let me run around here is my mouth.

  97. Thanks, myiq, you’re a treasure.

  98. I’m confused about the the name “Wonkette.” I got the impression during the last couple of days that the blog is now run by one or more estrogen-challenged types. So why do they keep the diminutive suffix, which is usually considered a feminine form? Is it because it can also mean “little” or “small?” I think that must be it; I just saw a picture of one of them, and he looks like he would be very tiny in at least one area other than his brain.

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