“mad, vast, religious, the Twelve Stations of the Cross, little individual twelve altars set in, you go in front, kneel, everything but incense in the air (the roar of the river, mysteries of nature, fireflies in the night flickering to the waxy stare of statues, I knew Doctor Sax was there flowing in the back darks with his wild and hincty cape).”
— Jack Kerouac, Dr. Sax
In Lowell, MA, on the grounds of the Franco American School, which was originally an orphanage, 
is a spectacular scaled replica of the Grotto Our Our Lady of Lourdes, France. It was built in 1911.
It’s a strange and eerie place, quintssentially Catholic. There are nearly life-size Stations of the Cross, painted in garish colors. At the end of the stations is a long, stone staircase that devote French-Canadian Catholics climbed on their knees. At the top is a huge crucifix that overlooks the grotto and the school grounds.


You can see more pictures here.
Jack Kerouac was born in Lowell, in Little Canada, where the grotto is located. Kerouac was an unusal person, and a wonderful writer. If you haven’t read him, I highly recommend that you read On the Road some day when you’re in the mood for something wierd but uplifting. Here’s a famous quote from On the Road you may have heard before.
“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”
In one of Kerouac’s wierdest books, Dr. Sax, the Grotto is practically a main character.
The Grotto
“It hugely mooked ahead of us, to the right…that baleful night. It belonged to the orphanage on the corner of Pawtucket St. and School St. At the head of the white bridge – a big grotto is their backyard, mad, vast, religious, the Twelve Stations of the Cross, little individual twelve alters set in, you go in front, everything but incense in the air – the road of the river mysteries of the nature, fireflies in the night flickering to the waxy statues – culminating, was the gigantic pyramid of steps upon which the cross itself poked phallically up with its poor burden the Son of Man all skewered across it in his Agony and Fright –”
Hey, Jack Kerouac!
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Well, well, well bb — guess our discussion last night made you go get all religious on us! LOL
Hi Angie,
That’s the place I was telling you about last night, with the stone stairs. I couldn’t find pictures of the stations of the cross, but there are some at the link.
I love this post! I want to go there sometime. It reminds me of The Garden of Eden in Lucas, Kansas.
Isn’t it beautiful? You get a very peaceful feeling when you’re there, too.
That orphanage looks like something Stephen King would describe. Not a friendly looking place from the outside.
That looks like a wonderful place, Katiebird. I just e-mailed you.
No, Pat. It’s very eerie place, as I said in the post. It was an orphanage back at the turn of the century.
I read On the Road about 100 years ago when he first came out as a writer. I did not appreciate him then. Perhaps I need to reread it once more.
I have been a MA resident all my life and had never heard of this place before.
What’s with all the “weird” talk? I think the place looks beautiful — as an Orthodox Catholic (or Greek Orthodox) I was going to say the only thing missing is more gold stuff — not quite “ornate” enough by Byzantine standards! LOL!!!
btw — thanks bb for letting me know about this place — next time I’m anywhere near MA I’m going for a visit. Heck, I might even crawl up the stairs.
It’s a matter of taste and mood. I always liked Kerouac. I’ve read everything by him, including his letters. When I was an undergrad, I did a couple of big projects on him–one a psychological study and the other a study of his ethnicity as reflected in his work.
Angie,
If you come to MA, I’ll take you on a guided tour.
It is probably worth seeing just for the architectural and aesthetic value but as far as the religious aspects go I am kind of over it at this stage.
Seeing the picture of the Franco American School reminds me the many interesting buildings remaining from “glory” days of the Mass mill towns, Haverhill, Lawrence, Lowell, Fitchburg, etc. Wish I had spent more time exploring when I lived in Boston.
Oh yeah I read about this when they had Kerouac’s scrolls up in Lowell! Hey, did you guys know that Whistler is also from Lowell but never would admit to it? lol
Angie,
When I use the word “wierd,” I usually mean it in a good way. I’m a little bit twisted, I guess. But it’s a wierd place for me because of reading Kerouac’s descriptions of it and his stories about having to do his penance there after confession. It’s also very garish.
Unfortunately SHV, if you ventured into those place now you would have to be armed.
They certainly put a lot of time and energy into the creation of this place.
SHV, I guess people who live there would disagree because of the rundown nature of their towns, but I love all the art deco remnants as well. Another random factoid, Haverhill is he setting for Archie Comics–Riverside = Riverdale.
Lowell isn’t run down at all, Seriously. The whole downtown district is a national park and it’s just beautiful–brick streets, bright and cheery and a lot of musems and monuments. The mill exhibits are really interesting.
bb — first, I’m going to take you up on that offer of a guided tour. Second, I was half joking when I said “weird” — I believe in the transubstantiation (for realz) so I’ve got no authority to tell anyone what is or isn’t weird!
and, btw, if anyone wants to see a typical Byzantine style church, here is a picture of the Greek Orthodox church I was married in in New Orleans:
http://www.holytrinitycathedral.org/
I tried to get pictures of some churches in Greece (like the one I was baptized in, the one where my parents married) which are very old & “authentic” churches from the Byzantine era (the church I married in is only in the “style”) but they obviously do not allow the interiors of the churches to be photographed.
a bit of trivia –my wedding videographer was only allowed to video the first 15 minutes of the 1 long orthodox ceremony (the rest of the ceremony is too sacred to allow it to be recorded!) LOL
BB,
Is this where you get the bloody knees?
I was telling a friend about last night’s hi-larious conversation about surviving Catholic schools. She told me a story about a convent that had been connected to the rectory by an underground tunnel. I don’t remember where it was. She might be here to comment. But it is late and since she and I both work in the same place, and our commutes begin pretty early in the a.m., this may be too late for her. It is for me. But I saw the lead and the photo, and decided to say hello to all and then good night.
The place does look beautiful. It also looks catholic.
where’s the rice?
This place was an answer to a roving Jeopardy question years ago. Why I remembered that I’ll never know, but it is probably the same reason I thought this was a relevant comment.
Angie,
That is a gorgeous church! Amazing!
Seriously, on January 6th, 2009 at 12:00 am Said:
SHV, I guess people who live there would disagree because of the rundown nature of their towns, but I love all the art deco remnants as well. Another random factoid, Haverhill is he setting for Archie Comics–Riverside = Riverdale.
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Well I guess that I should have spent more time exploring when I lived in
Boston, 35 yrs ago.
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Pat Johnson, on January 5th, 2009 at 11:54 pm Said:
Unfortunately SHV, if you ventured into those place now you would have to be armed.
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After Bartley-Fox went into effect in 1974, carrying a gun, in Mass, by a non-felon would send you to prison for a year.
Leslie,
Yes, this is the place I was telling you about last night. I think it’s beautiful. The rice was Angie’s story.
Angie,
I just went to my doorman and double checked, no package. The slip the USPS left was for another package. I will go back tomorrow again and ask. They are kind of a-holes (Chicago you know) and get really shitty if you don’t have a slip. The thing is a substitute was on and obviously was overwhelmed by the 300 residents in my building . Today my mailbox was STUFFED with mail, others got packages but not me.
I will go again tomorrow.
angie: If you ever do get up this way I will do the tour with you and bb. I am not promising I will do the “steps” however. I can be pushed only so far!
Prolix: Everything you have to say is relevant. At least some of it.
leslie: Did you friend have memories too?
Pat,
You and I can read the notes in the grotto and light a candle for Hillary while Angie is crawling up the stone steps to the humongous crucifix.
You’re right, bb, Lowell has definitely been fixed up a lot with the NS complex and the river tourism. I was thinking more of Haverhill. There are some gorgeous buildings, but they’re not in very good shape, and more things are closing.
Prolix,
I like your irrelevant comments the best of all!
Angie,
If all churches were like that one in NO, I might go back.
Wonkette is way in the lead. Send the link to your family even if they don’t care about politics and tell them to vote for the Confluence. Wonkette will be difficult to beat but we have to try:
http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-liberal-blog/
FYI: In 25 precincts there are more ballots than there are people signed in to vote.
Hello, vote fraud. See your national news network for more info.
Pat, there is an inverse correlation between my relevancy and scotch bottles. The scotchier I get the more relevant I seem to think I am.
Sorry, for the Franken debacle in MN.In 25 precincts there are more ballots than there are people signed in to vote.
Hello, vote fraud. See your national news network for more info.
Afrocity — I just answered you in the other thread! LOL I emailed you the tracking number which might help you there in Chicago — I remember the trouble you had with your voter’s registration card — now, I’m not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with a Secret Santa gift but I’m going to raise hell if Chicago effs this one up too!
Pat J — now I’m going to have to make sure I get up to MA! You and bb are too much to resist!
bb — I’m glad you liked the church — it isn’t really as beautiful as many of the older churches in Greece, but it is still beautiful, isn’t it? I miss my “home” church — did you take the virtual tour? My favorite part of the church is the Pantocrator on the dome pictured here:
http://www.holytrinitycathedral.org/thumb-pics/ht-interior-dome.html
I always made sure I sat where I could look up & see it — with the icons & the light/sky coming through the windows, it made me feel like I was in Heaven.
Seriously,
Haverill should do what Lowell did. Lawrence is starting to get fixed up now because they have followed Lowell’s example. Those old milltowns are really charming, I think, and there is so much history, especially of the waves of immigration.
Regency: I mentioned that on the prior posting. Looks like the fraud just goes on and on and on.
OTOH, I’d rather live in a depressed mill town because it’s almost like preservation–they don’t have money so they don’t tear down their architectural remnants. The more well off towns rip down everything and put up the strip mall.
Angie: I went to Wonkette (for the first time in ages) and you’re on the front page. She’s laughing because we’re her competition.
I looked through all the photos. I love this one.
http://www.holytrinitycathedral.org/thumb-pics/ht-interior-iero-2.html
leslie — don’t make fun of the rice — my knees still bare the scars!
Angie, LOL. I got the tracking infor. I did not receive a notice for the December 31 or January 2.
Just one more question. Did you put my apartment number on the package?
Maybe Obama has it under surveillance because we are PUMAs
Totally agree, bb.
Prolix: I can usually tell just how relevant when the height of the bottles reaches your knees. It is then that I know to take you less seriously. And call for a designated driver. The least I can do.
afrocity — yes, I put your apartment number on the package — I’m not as dumb as I look (but then again I couldn’t be)! LOL
As for irrelevance, the original On the Road manuscript was ripped to shreds after Kerouac had a night of too much of the too much stuff and his daily bout of self-doubt and loathing. He hunkered down and wrote the second “scroll” in about two weeks.
The interior of those churches are awesome!
I’m reading the comments over at Wonkette. And they call us mean spirited? At least we didn’t devote a post to talking shit about our competition. Disgusting.
Did everyone put up a post at their sites about the contest? I put one up with a link. That’s really all I can do as I can’t send off an email.
Wonkette has written for the NYT, for god’s sake. Go read her “Damn, I’m a moron” review of Katha Pollitts book and it explains everything that needs to be known about the state of “journalism” in the US.
Reg, MN is the new IN. Once again, thanks idiot Republicans for sitting on your hands and allowing the fraud crew to ake over everything. Lots of luck getting them out!
bb — yes, that is the altar/sanctuary behind the Iconostasis so us normal folk aren’t allowed back there so I didn’t see it much! LOL
btw — a cool (I think) story about the church — as you may be able to tell from the pictures, the front part of the alter (in front of the Iconostasis) is marble & then the sanctuary is 3 steps higher (behind the Iconostasis) — anyway the Church is located in Lakeview and area that got really bad flooding during Katrina (8 foot high water in most of the homes). The Church flooded as well but the water stopped right at the top step, a few inches lower then the Iconostasis itself & the sanctuary. Thus, while the carpet & pews had to be changed, none of the icons or the sanctuary itself was harmed. Now, some people may say “how lucky” but I think it was a miracle.
DV,
You never know, the Wonkette creeps might get bored with it. We have until the 13th, so everyone should vote everyday. My mom said she would vote.
DisenfranchisedVoter, on January 6th, 2009 at 12:19 am Said:
If they are implying that “mean” as in average, I take that as an insult.
LOL, Prolix!
Angie,
I believe in miracles. I’ve seen them.
I’m just reading the previous threads. To answer Heidi Li: Yes, Wonkette is written by a woman but what they are saying over there about The Confluence is enough to make you never want to go back. I used to go to Wonkette (back in 2004) but never got into it. I only visited during election 2004 but haven’t been back until tonight. I don’t feel the need to write nasty shit about her or her visitors. But I guess that’s how these folks win any contest these days. Sad.
You can’t beat Wonkette. She and her crew may be imbeciles, but they also have a lot of time on their hands. And lots of hits, she’s the perez hilton of “political” (or what passes for it) blogging.
DisenfranchisedVoter — I’m not mean, they’re just sissies.
I don’t like my image behind on that site though — it classes up the joint too much.
Not to be Debbie Downer, I mean vote away, I’m just saying the odds are not in our favor, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it or anything.
btw — thank God there are no typos on that post of mine wonkette posted — at least none I can see! LOL
If you have the stomach for it, this is the Wonkette blog and what they think of us. angie and afrocity – beware.
http://wonkette.com/405260/vote-for-hopechange-vote-for-wonkette
Me too.
the perez hilton of “political” (or what passes for it) blogging.
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I gave up on him, also, after he drank the Kool-aid. I wonder how he feels after Rick Warren and Tim kaine.
Pat,
My friend doesn’t have those kinds of memories. It think it was a family member who told her about the tunnel…But that would exlain how the nun I had in “earth Science” went missing for a while. She prolly got lost in the tunnels or something like that
I’ll have to find out more tomorrow. She reads here,but not this late at night.
I really have to get to bed tonight. I fell asleep at my desk this afternoon…
And no, age has nothing to do with it………..
‘nite all.
But Seriously — this is a MAJOR AWARD — you can’t just get one of those by herding pathetic lemmings to vote for you out of spite — oh wait.
Oh, and no disrespect, Angie. LOL
g’night.
I’m trying to search through Wonkette but there are only four tags: awards, Barack Obama, Youtube, and weblog awards. I guess winning “awards” and “weblog awards” is as important as Barack Obama on her site. Her site will likely win but it also indicates a sad state of affairs for political journalism. I’d much rather read stuff from small bloggers who aren’t getting paid to whore themselves out to the masses. Heidi Li, Anglachel, Riverdaughter…these are folks with longer, more analytical, and intellectual posts than what I’ve found at Wonkette.
Speaking as a major proponent of Old Buildings DO Have Rights, thank heaven there are places such as Lowell which haven’t torn down gorgeous structures like this. It’s classic Queen Anne, with that stately mansard roof designed in perfect proportion to the scale of the building – something contemporary architects never seem to get right (they usually scrimp and use crappy materials to boot). Plus the place has some intriguing history behind it, some of it not very happy, but nevertheless genuine (so not-Disney). Thanks for posting this picturesque slice of Lowell, BB.
I am just blown away by the nastiness emanating from that blog. Horrible. They went after Heidi Li and RD by name and got very personal in their comments. Not sure why. It would seem the blogosphere should be large enough to sustain all points of view. But according to them we are bitter old Repubs.
Oh well. They come off no better than Kos.
nite Leslie
I believe in miracles but I darn well don’t expect them. If we win, we win. If not it doesn’t take anything away from what I get and feel about this blog. It isn’t all about the destination, the journey counts too.
I do intend to vote “religiously” for The Confluence all the way up until the 13th.
Nite leslie.
SHV: Perez Hilton never completely drank the kool-aid. He definitely supported Obama but since then he’s been disappointed in Obama’s Rick Warren invite among other things. In this post he says things would’ve been different if Hillary had been elected. Perez should stick to celebrity gossip imo, but at least he has more sense than the folks at Wonkette to point out Obama’s flaws:
http://perezhilton.com/2008-12-18-such-a-disappointment
Pat J– you didn’t link to me on wonkette!
http://wonkette.com/405262/ha-ha-best-liberal-blog-somehow-between-wonkette-and-puma-site
Really, have you seen the freakshows on that site? My picture is by FAR the best thing on that blog. No wonder they picked it.
I also love the “welcome to our radar” as IF. The 20 of us bitter knitters aren’t responsible for all the hits TC has gotten in one year.
night leslie!
DV — in my brief foray onto wonkette I saw on the left an ad for Obama cookies — with his FACE on them. I think that says it all about that place.
DisenfranchisedVoter, on January 6th, 2009 at 12:38 am Said:
SHV: Perez Hilton never completely drank the kool-aid.
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Well, I have to go back a see what’s going on. I have fallen way behind in my celeb. gossip and I need to keep up with the younger gen.
Seriously,
Nobody is losing any sleep over it. We’re just having fun. I’m just thrilled that we got the nomination and that all these sites are talking about it. There’s no such thing as bad publicity.
LOL angie
*shrugs* Nastiness is kind of par for the course in the blogosphere. Wonkette is just kind of a flake, not much to say that’s at all substantive, sort of obsessed with shallow trivia…not hard to see why she found a soulmate in the Great Empty Head. Very much in the classist, elitist post modern hipster, we tell ourselves we’re better than you to make ourselves feel better about our shallowness and lost potential school.
Pat J
I guess bitter is in the eye of the beholder. I think that the vote count should at least dispel the idea there are only 40 angry women. Heehee
The minute or two I spent there to look around bored me to tears. The epitome of the cheerleader crowd. Vote for us because we have got – to – fix the economy……Now everyone gimmee an E Gimmee a C- Gimme an O ——Yeah because cheerleading will work and is so much easier than having a mature discussion. I’ll take Dak, who I disagree with on the nuances of policy anyday over the we can fix anything if we clap our hands and cheer loud enough crowd.
Be flattered they find us mean. Mean is better than BOR-ING.
Meh, if we win, we win. If we don’t, we’ll live. We still have nearly 5 million hits and that accounts for everything. I’m happy with that.
So I went back to search what they said about Heidi Li. So, so, so sad. Heidi Li is a very respected legal scholar at Georgetown and what is being said about her is as bad as what Taylor Marsh and her freaks said after she took Heidi Li’s money and endorsed Obama. Here is one of the comments mentioning Heidi Li. It’s disgusting that what they are saying about us only describes themselves. This award isn’t a “big deal” to most of us. We’ve been through much worst this year:
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One more thing about the Confluence. They love push polls just like their political cousins, the Freeper. Seriously, they will sit around and try to skew the results of any push poll they think they can manipulate. One of their bloggers, Heidi Li Feldman, is the ring leader in this regard. She’ll submit a story to Best of the Blogs on Real Clear Politics and then get the Confluence readership to vote for it. Not that they have ever gotten anything recognized. Their writing is piss poor, obtuse and simply devoid of content. It’s just snark.
No Quarter is the other main PUMA site. It has more credibility in the sense that its principal is Larry Johnson who is ex-CIA and ex-State and runs an international security consulting firm. NQ-USA is also likely more deranged. They were the ones who brought the whole “whitey tape” and the COLB (Texas Darlin’)issue to the fore. Other PUMA sites include Pumapundit and the Daily PUMA.
The readers all tend to be older women who really wanted a woman as President and came to hate Obama for one reason or another. The Confluence is not a serious blog. Issues are rarely discussed. They spend 90% of time talking about their own lives and making snide comments about Obama. Their latest campaign is to get Harriet Christian appointed to the US Senate from NY. They even sent Paterson a petition to that effect. Lunatics is what they are. A fair number of them are actually Republicans, there’s a woman on the blog who goes by Afrocity, basically a black Ann Coulter.
The Confluence isn’t liberal, it’s wholly illiberal. Dare to disagree with them and they’ll ban you. The rational is that The Confluence is “a refuge” for Clinton supporters. If Senator Clinton ever read it, she’d be mortified.
This contest, however, is a big deal for them. They gamed the system to have themselves nominated. I’ve been following the PUMA blogs for over six months now. I’ve written a few pieces here and there on the PUMA movement thinking that they might be a factor in the election (they weren’t) but now I read them for sheer amusement. They’re very bizarre people. They’re passionate but they lack sophistication and frankly erudition. I get the sense many of them only have a high school education.
Good luck! I’ll be rooting for you.
Angie you picture and post are up at Wonkette..You’ve hit the big time!!!!
I haven’t read Wonkette in ages, certainly not since the real Wonkette left for Time Mag. But looking at it now, it’s a very shabby site. Very bland looking.
C’mon, we should be secure enough in our identity as Conflucians to not give a rat’s ass about Ms. Wonkette and her e-schlock troops. One of the hallmarks of this site is the civility of its posters (obot provocateurs excepted). Lots of strong opinions, but humor generally abounds and very rarely is it of the nasty sort. We can keep voting early and often for the home team, but let’s not lose any sleep over what amounts to another round of stupid juvenile tricks. Just ignore ‘em.
DV,
Talk about bad writing. You just posted an example of it. Who the hell cares about the opinion of someone who writes like that?
They’re passionate but they lack sophistication and frankly erudition. I get the sense many of them only have a high school education.
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I resemble that!!! I lack sophistication, erudition and I can’t spell but I sure as hell have sixteen years of post-grad. education.
I think it’s funny that they said we just post snark. Snark is not easy. It’s also fun and gets the message across in an entertaining way. Snark used to be big over at Wonkette. What happened to them? I guess maybe it was the Koolaid.
Are they talking about us? I’ll bet we have a higher percentage of advanced degrees than most blogs. Not that it matters.
I know a guy who reads Wonkette religiously. I’ll describe him because I’ll bet more than half of Wonkette’s readership looks just like him:
white male, 23, elitist, cocky, snarky, born into an upper-class northeast family, surfs Wonkette during class, never held a full time job a day in his life, ivy league educated.
Wow! It is difficult to believe that people can express themselves with as much venom as what appears on that site. It is astounding that most of the voices are those of other women.
Because we do not like or agree with Obama they feel they have the right to address us in this manner? No wonder we sought refuge from these remarks. It is so unnecessary to be that hateful. We are not the enemy.
LOL As I was saying.
The only thing the real Wonkette was known for was her obsession with anal sex. It doesn’t get more sophisticated or erudite than that–ask Howard Stern.
Afrocity, a black Ann Coulter??? OK, now I’m really mad. Let’s get the torches and go get ‘em!
Okay, here we go again with the snobbism which characterizes many (too many) an O-fan. What the hell does “only a high school education” have to do with common sense, integrity, perceptiveness, or intelligence for that matter? Stupidity is as stupidity speaks, no matter how many degrees it may have to its name.
Wow…those are some mean comments over on Wonkette. I wonder why an ancient blog would feel so threatened by a relative newcomer when they’re well over 1000 points ahead. Sad people in this world…sort of explains how Barry got selected. I wonder how Obama’s sharp veer to the right is working out for them.
This nrelement person must be a proctologist because he/she sure climbed up our collective butt to have all this “inside” information. All I can say, “I is too erudite.”
Oh no that poster did NOT just write that Afrocity is a “balck Ann Coulter!”
That entire post is nothing but lies & Obot propoganda — of course, no one will recognize it as such — they are good at thinking as they are told — but please note how the oh so “sophisticated and erudite” author completely lacks any logic — s/he lists out reasons to hate No Quarter as reasons to hate TC — as if the sites are one and the same. False analysis like this really pisses me off — what is wrong with this country’s education system that people cannot lay out a basic logical argument anymore? And as for his sense that “many of them only have a high school education!” LMAO — I’ll put my resume up against yours any day of the week, freakshow — try me. Not to mention Afrocity’s or RD’s or Heidi Li’s for that matter.
I’m so disappointed I am not ERUDITE. Mommy and daddy did not pay for college for me, I only served my country while they were attending frat parties.
No arugula for me. LOL
In this poster’s case shouldn’t it be eRUDEiot, as in I am a rude idiot that thinks highly of myself because I was fortunate enough to attend college.
Pat,
Wonkette was never a serious site. It’s not even good for the gossip.
Seriously, are you serious?
Wow. I didn’t read the comments about TC at Wonkette I was too distracted by the post preceding it:
SMALL TOWN VALUES: The “other” grandmother of little Tripp Von Axl Dump Truck Johnston, Ms. Sherry Johnston, entered a “not guilty” plea for that drug thing at an Alaska court today, without friends or family but with a public defender because no one would help her get a private attorney. Sorry Sherry! Levi’s a Palin now, so you’re on your own. [ADN/McClatchy]
And the 1st comment to that was ‘I guess trash never falls far from the trailer.’
These are the “liberals” giving real liberals a bad name. Disgusting.
SHV, on January 6th, 2009 at 12:46 am Said:
Angie you picture and post are up at Wonkette..You’ve hit the big time!!!!
No dahlin’– Wonkette has hit the big time.
If college is so darn important than why is it that most companies choose experience over it. Could it be they see it as something similar to IQ. Basically attending college and getting a degree shows that you are potentially capable while experience shows you are ACTUALLY capable.
All right, all right, I’ll spend years of my life skipping class and majoring in beer pong as a legacy at an elite uni–now where do I sign up for looking down on high school grads and wishing they had the sense to realize that wonkishness is, like, so dull, I totally have health care s they shouldn’t worry, and Obama is TEH awesome because he looks so good on the poster and inspires 7 year olds?
They are ahead. Why do they feel the necessity to tear this blog down in the process? You can feel the hate emanating from there. So empty.
CWaltz,
Real life experience is often preferable to erudition, which means
“extensive knowledge acquired chiefly from books : profound, recondite, or bookish learning”
I’d be shocked if the person who wrote that poorly constructed pack of lies that DV posted has ever read an entire book, but if he or she did, it didn’t do them any good.
Seriously,
LOL!
BB, said, “…has ever read an entire book,” but they colored inside the lines.
Pat J — lets please, please not forget that Wonkette is the one who started the call to arms by posting that WE were beating them.
Sophie, serious about the anal sex? Yeah, like I said Wonkette back in the day was perez hilton, snide gossip and time wasting for post modern hipsters who wanted to pretnd they were politically engaged but really were just a——-. A dumbed down Daily Show meets Stern.
bb — now, now, you know the kids these days count graphic novels as “books.”
Well, this explains a lot. Back in 2004 while I was reading Wonkette, it was still written mainly by Ana Marie Cox. Now it’s largely written by Obot blogger boyz that you can find on any “liberal” political site these days. Nothing special. This is what wiki said about the blog:
Wonkette was established in January 2004 as part of the Gawker Media network. Its founding editor was Ana Marie Cox, a former editor at suck.com. Under her tenure, Wonkette became known for its sharp, sarcastic, intelligent voice, and for its mixture of heady political discourse with repeated references to gin and anal sex.[2]
Cox announced her resignation as Wonkette’s editor on January 5, 2006 in order to promote her book, “Dog Days”. .. She occasionally contributed to Wonkette.com until she joined the staff of Time magazine to contribute a D.C. feature in the magazine and write for Time’s blog.
Cox was succeeded on Wonkette by David Lat, the author of Underneath Their Robes, a blog about the federal judiciary, and Alex Pareene, a 21-year-old dropout from New York University and Gawker intern/guest editor in New York who moved to DC for the Wonkette position.
In June 2006, Lat announced his decision to leave Wonkette. His slot was to be filled by guest editors until August 2006, when Gawker blogger Ken Layne joined as permanent guest editor. Layne became West Coast bureau editor officially before the November midterm elections. Wonkette reached its highest traffic during the midterm elections due to scandal coverage of Mark Foley and other incumbents involved in corruption, sex-abuse and bribery scandals.
In October 2007, Pareene announced that he would be leaving the site in order to work for Gawker Media out of New York City and Layne left the site shortly afterwards as well. John Clarke, Jr. – formerly of the New York Times and Variety – briefly took over as the site’s editor mid-October, with Jim Newell, formerly of IvyGate, and Megan Carpentier, formerly the anonymous author of the “Ask a Lobbyist” column, serving as associate editors. Layne returned as Wonkette’s managing editor in January 2008.
Within weeks of his return, Layne replaced associate editor Megan Carpentier with new editors and contributors.
If wonkette is “liberal” then I’m glad they don’t consider me one of them.
Well, this explains a lot. Back in 2004 while I was reading Wonkette, it was still written mainly by Ana Marie Cox. Now it’s largely written by Obot blogger boyz that you can find on any “liberal” political site these days. Nothing special. This is what wiki said about the blog:
Cox was succeeded on Wonkette by David Lat, the author of Underneath Their Robes, a blog about the federal judiciary, and Alex Pareene, a 21-year-old dropout from New York University and Gawker intern/guest editor in New York who moved to DC for the Wonkette position.
In June 2006, Lat announced his decision to leave Wonkette. His slot was to be filled by guest editors until August 2006, when Gawker blogger Ken Layne joined as permanent guest editor. Layne became West Coast bureau editor officially before the November midterm elections. Wonkette reached its highest traffic during the midterm elections due to scandal coverage of Mark Foley and other incumbents involved in corruption, sex-abuse and bribery scandals.
In October 2007, Pareene announced that he would be leaving the site in order to work for Gawker Media out of New York City and Layne left the site shortly afterwards as well. John Clarke, Jr. – formerly of the New York Times and Variety – briefly took over as the site’s editor mid-October, with Jim Newell, formerly of IvyGate, and Megan Carpentier, formerly the anonymous author of the “Ask a Lobbyist” column, serving as associate editors. Layne returned as Wonkette’s managing editor in January 2008.
Within weeks of his return, Layne replaced associate editor Megan Carpentier with new editors and contributors.
The funny thing is I have seen many a college grad doing the same menial jobs as the high school graduate. The big diff is one has massive student loans to pay down.
Well, this explains a lot. Back in 2004 while I was reading Wonkette, it was still written mainly by Ana Marie Cox. Now it’s largely written by Obot blogger boyz that you can find on any “liberal” political site these days. Nothing special.
Did anyone get the handle of the person who attacked Afrocity for no reason? I’d like to file it away for future reference.
I checked out Wonkette once by clicking on a blogroll, but found nothing of interest there. Never made it into my bookmarks, though I’ve developed a keen interest in regularly checking a wide variety of sites ranging across the political spectrum (with the exclusion of the Kewl Aid lushes).
OMG, you just reminded me. They had a graphic novel that outlined the differences between Barack Obama and John McCain. I freakin’ kid you not.
I’ve said this before, but if yo are so well educated (I’m looking at you, obot dad) then why can’t you come up with one logical reason to support Obama? I’m sorry ,but “Because I said so and I’m smart” is not actually an argument.
angie: Perhaps, but there is room for everybody. We may all not agree on the same things and our life experiences play a big role in our choices. I guess it is too much to expect a certain amount of graciousness to accompany those who have been singled out for trying to make a difference then to have the place of honor muddied and slimed by those who hold a different set of values.
It is a sad state of affairs and the mindset and pettiness of those making these statements is troubling.
Seriously said:
. A dumbed down Daily Show meets Stern.
Like MoDo?
I’m laughing nearly as hard as I did last night, but without the traumatic flashbacks.
I think the funniest thing is they post a picture of ME & then proceed to call us ugly old fat hags! LMAO –Not to be too egotistical (and besides the fact that pretty is as pretty does) but really — their eyes don’t even work over there — can we really expect their brains to?
Angie,
These old bloated blogs got scare put into them when they saw us on the list. Whoever kidnapped Josh Marshall better get busy. Likewise Glenn Greenwald. The little blog that could just keeps on going.
bb
but they sure did use some purty and big wurdz with lotz of those letter thingz. Youz know theyr smart when they use em’ fancy wurdz.
Let me dazzle you with my bullshit(get yourself a chair because this word has lots of syllables)…….transcendentalism…………ohhhhhhhh…..makes you want to faint(rolling my eyes).
Dakinikat has been over there reading the koolaid kidz at Wonkette too.
I am off to bed. It is really disappointing to discover women still treat other women worse than most men when it comes to discourse. Women still possess the ability to destroy as easily in their own way.
“Ugly old fat hags”? My, my, the conscience of a liberal, indeed.
CWaltz,
To echo Prolix, “I is too erudite.” LOL!
It’s funny how commenters like nrelement at Wonkette spend hours reading our opinions only to write stupid hateful comments on a Wonkette thread. This is the first time in over 4 years I’ve been to Wonkette to even read what someone like nrelement has to say because I seriously could care less what s/he thinks unless they are talking shit about me or the people who write for The Confluence. I’ve always wondered why the Obots continue to lurk and troll our sites rather than deal with the possibility that there are liberals who do not like Obama, agree with his policies or how he won the nomination, or won’t kiss his ass even while he’s shitting on us with his FISA vote, Rick Warren invite, and Kaine appointment. These folks are zombies and they accuse us of not appreciating different opinions?
bb — I love the theory over there that we cheated to get nominated (since there are only 10 of us and/or PUMAs don’t exist)– that takes the cake — I don’t recall the damn award even been mentioned on here until after TC was nominated. It must be so hard to have to keep altering reality ever 10 minutes or so.
They’re not worth bothering with, Pat. Is is disappointing, but Karma will catch up with them, trust me. Sleep well.
Kat5
Methinks THAT particular commenter is very sad, probably had a lot of rejection from girls. Dates consist of his left hand and his right one. So so sad.
Night Pat J!
Oh god, MoDo. Just when I managed to forget….*shudders* Yeah, like that.
Just had one of those snychronicity moments — while reading the Wankers’ comments, an Extendz commercial came on television — quite fitting.
Pat, I think most of their readership are young males like most of the political blogs these days. It’s dominated by young men who spend the day surfing wonkette and dkos during class.
Angie,
I don’t even know how we got nominated. It never even occured to me to try so how could I cheat?
CWaltz — methinks you are right about that commenter.
Hey baby, and I is eru-dynamite.
yea bb: and now i’m reading:
The Paramita of Patience
There are various situations that require our patience, beginning with the following four:
When someone treats us with contempt,
Addresses us with harsh words,
Slanders us behind our back,
Or causes us pain.
DV — yep, those 20 something young males who keep confusing PUMAs with cougars. Let’s just be clear: guys in their 20s don’t know what the hell they are doing in bed. I know you “think” you are really good at sex and are such “sexual” people — but you’re not. Get over it & hope to improve with age & practice (though I doubt you get much of that — Real Girls don’t count).
When you think of Karma think of Judas. Yeah, it comes back.
Good night, everyone. I’m sure all of our comments will be on the front page of Wonkette tomorrow morning and they will all be analyzing every word we say and pointing out all of the grammatical errors to prove how uneduMcated we iz.
Woohoo, prolix – the site is heretofore christened Wankette.
bb — me either — I actually never heard of the award before RD told us TC was nominated, much less how to get nominated.
CWaltz,
Can I be an honorary member of Appalachia? I grew up in Indiana. That’s pretty close. I don’t want to be “sophiticated” and “erudite.” I’d rather be a liberal. I’d rather be someone who cares about other people and wants to live in a society where everyone pitches in and helps out the other guy when necessary. If that makes me a bitter old hag, I’ll take it.
Night DV!
I only went over there for a few- as I said ,snooze city. I prefer a place where my brain will get a little exercise. I find it interesting that they say dissent isn’t allowed. they obviously didn’t come here during the Gaza thread or the Pigou thread. There are differences here and discussions. The difference being that we all agree to respect each other despite our differences in opinions from time to time. The thing we share the most isn’t something you necessarily get in college, it’s called principles and values.
Okay… what’s liberal about calling women dried up whatevers? I’m so pissed AGAIN that the damn pseudo Dem/Libs are worse than fu cking Ann Coulter. Unbelieveable.
“The conscience of a liberal indeed”
Well, it’s easy to see who hasn’t been to any Democratic events lately!
What have you missed–well, see, we start with the sorting, those for the wet t-shirt contest, those we want to run the gauntlet (that’s in the back room with the Kennedys), and maids and house cleaners (you know the uh, high school grads and other undesirables, well you know what I mean) off to the side. Fun the post modern hipseter a——- way! Hmmmm. I wonder why nobody ever though of getting votes this way before, I guess they’re just not as smart as we are.
DV,
Who cares? As I said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. That kind of talk about us has brought people here because they saw through it and wanted to see for themselves. As my mom used to say, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Wankette is using vinegar.
bb — if you voted for Hillary you are ex post facto Appalachian. Or, perhaps, Appalachian Emeritus.
Angie
Favreau demonstrated how they are practicing(cardboard cutouts). Lord, I feel sorry for the women who are going to have to put in some hours training them.
It’s not dissent we don’t allow, it’s rudeness and insults.
CWaltz — I have no pity for the woman who wants to put in those hours. EW!
Well all I have to be a large cuddle pillow- evidently my husband hasn’t got the news I am an old dried up fat hag. Sigh.
Nite.
Dakinikat,
I like that. Jack Kerouac was a sort of Buddist, you know. He even wrote a book called The Buddist Bible.
Night CWalt!
Night, CWaltz. Enjoy being cozy.
Woe is me — I only have my bitterness & guns to cuddle with! LOL
Hi Confluence – just voted for you in Weblog awards, you’re doing great! Also look at this:
Best Poilitical Coverage
NoQuarter 307
DailyKos 168
FiveThirtyEight 657
AmericanThinker 300
Politico 214
SavagePolitics 61
ForeignPolicyWatch 13
Second place counts! Third place counts! Go vote!
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Second place counts! Go vote!
Hey, my new avatar showed up on the recent comments on the sidebar. Wait till I tell Katiebird.
You know, I was reading Molly Ivins’ essays a couple weeks ago, and she had something from ‘88 about how all the a——- elitist reporters were intervewing coal miners in West Virginia, and the miners were saying they were for Jesse and teh reporters were sneering that they couldn’t believe they didn’t mean Jesse Helms. As usual, Appalatians 1 and Team A——- has yet to score and probably never will.
BB: yes I know. Have you read Dharma Bums? That’s the first one I read. He started me on the zen path back but i wound up a vajrayana like him and ginsberg. A lot of my practices are Chogyam Tringpa’s … my Lama teaches at Naropa some.
and btw — where the hell is myiq to defend my honor?
Catfish,
That’s great. I voted for No Quarter.
katiebird said she liked it in tehhe other thread, bostonboomer/
Double double toil and trouble, Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
(Traditional English, old fat ugly hag sign-off.) Nite all!
Dakinikat,
I’ve read all of Kerouac. Even his letters. Even the religious poems. Did you read my post?
I wasn’t going to vote for NQ until Wankette said not to — I’m going to do the opposite of whatever they do as I’m sure that is the right path (of course, I will never visit that “blog” again — the only thing good on there is my picture).
We must not become angry with those involved, but disregard the harm they do to us, and settle the mind in meditation upon the reality of profound emptiness.
you know, the one thing I’ve learned in my life is that karma, does in fact, happen … sometimes it’s timing isn’t what you think it will be, but it happens
Night Kat5!
Angie– yeah, where is he. He was around most of the day. I think he’s been sick. He said it wasn’t serious.
Nite Kat5!
Kat is that some kind of hinky voo-doo type reee-lig-on like that Sarah pain who went to a paltry state college believes in? Keep your medieval primitive evil spirit talk far away from here.
Somebody call me?
Night Kat.
dakinikat — so true, and sometimes it comes even sooner than expected (Richardson, Kerry)
myiq! I called! How come you aren’t defending me from those morons on Wankette?
Dakinikat,
It’s so true. I know it, because karma has happened to me. I don’t think it’s worth it to worry about things like that. I think it’s funny, actually. It’s amazing to me that all these people are so upset by The Confluence.
Seriously: it’s buddhadharma
Wow—angie, call beetlejuice.
like about 500 bc … the medieval stuff is christianity and islam
Seriously — LOL!
Hi myiq2xu,
We found out the more “sophisticated” and “erudite” members of the blogosphere hate us even more than the buttburger gang.
The essence of this paramita of patience is the strength of mind and heart that enables us to face the challenges and difficulties of life without losing our composure and inner tranquility.
The essence of this paramita of patience is the strength of mind and heart that enables us to face the challenges and difficulties of life without losing our composure and inner tranquility.
dakinikat, I meant kat 5 quoting the witches. That’s no erudite, we don’t want to associate ourselves with a belief in evil spirits.
Also, I’m an old hag & Afrocity is a black Ann Coulter.
You can say that again, Dakinikat!
my last post was addressed to bb @ 1:37.
paramitas are called the perfections : you practice them to become a bodhisattva …
listen to steely dan for that
tee hee… rumproast dissed me for saying “down voting”. That was a term that someone linked earlier from Kos where they were trying to get people to vote for anyone except us. rr must have missed that.
I’m thinking the Wankette site will be the first site where the avatars wear gang colors.
Don’t forget, Angie–we’re FAT! That’s the biggest sin you can commit to the “erudite” crowd.
GAgal,
I’m pretty sure the guy who wrote that diary, Ames, is one their buddies.
bb — FAT & OLD!! Don’t forget OLD — remember Logan’s Run? I’m thinking the “Age of Obama” is heading exactly that way.
I don’t know about you, Angie, but I’m fat, old, toothless, and bitter!
Mmmm, I don’t remember afrocity ever calling for anyone’s extermination or anything, but I guess being Black and a Republican makes her Ann Coulter? That is her crime?
Wankette fell for the Harriet C. satire too, just like Blogstalkers.
bb — well, old & fat is relative — I’m younger then Obama & in better shape, but I’m sure the Wankettes would consider me old & fat (being a woman, and all). But, I do actually have beautiful teeth — and I never had to get braces. They are my one vanity.
As for bitter — I’ve never pretended to be anything but! LOL
Seriously,
I think that’s about the size of it. I don’t know about you, but I think it’s pretty racist.
I mean what does skin color have to do with who Ann Coulter is. There couldn’t be a nicer, gentler person than Afrocity. In what way is she like Ann Coulter? It makes no sense.
Seriously — she wasn’t even a Republican prior to the Republicans (Markos, Arianna, et al) taking over the Dem party. Hell, with Kaine (”you can’t separate religion from law”) taking over the DNC chair, I’m disassociating myself from the Dem. party as much as I can.
Angie,
I’m not really toothless. LOL!
I really liked the comment that wondered if ‘Confluence’ meant ‘menstruating’. Can’t they at least be consistent? I thought we were old hags.
They said that? Now that’s just strange.
bb — and their couldn’t be a smarter more sincere person than afrocity either. That shows you right there that the Wankettes simply cannot be taken seriously. I’m sure they are all running around logging into ever different computer in their school library to make sure they “win” the award. As I said, if they are the “best liberals” out there, I am proud not to be one of them.
I just looked at the results – NFW!
Someone is freeping that poll.
Sorry myiq, but Wonkette’s posters are too well-educated to ever be hookwinked or bamboozled. If they don’t get the joke, there is no joke.
bb — LMAO! I didn’t think you really were — that is how vain I am about my teeth though — I can’t even joke about them! It is my down fall (as I hate people who can’t laugh about themselves — I can laugh about everything else about myself, but not the teeth!) LOL
myiq — someone is freeping that poll? could it be, I don’t know, someone who blogs at starts with Wank & ends with ette?
Confluence summed up in two sentences – thank goodness for our New Orleans economist and petulant clown!
The Confluence has largely female audience, a few gays and one very petulant clown. Their bloggers, with the exception of Dakinat (an economist in New Orleans) are all rank hypocrites with no political experience.
Wow! We have 527 votes already. We’re in second place. I think that’s amazing.
bb, yep I was thinking the same thing. I mean, these Obots think that voting for Obama gives them a get out of racism free card or something.
GAgirl, during teh pie fight at kos, the frat boys were referring to their fellow kossacks as ‘menstating she-devils.’ lol
Some poster put up directions on how to do it in between slams about us.
Is that a quote, Jmac. Because there are a few profs here, as well as a biochemist and several lawyers. And I’ll be getting my PhD soon.
NFW does Wankette get more votes than eveyone else combined.
Prolix,
Can you get a screen shot of the instructions? We can e-mail it to the administrators at the weblog awards site. They take cheating seriously.
is that for real JMac?
why am i asking that? it must be, it’s too weird to be made up
Humpph! I have plenty of political experience, and I’m no fucking hypocrite, that’s for sure.
I ain’t no hyprocrite! My body has plenty of oxygen. LOL
BB – that’s a quote from Wonkette (from one of the links). It goes on to describe Riverdaughter. Whoever wrote it reads us quite often.
Did you notice how few comments they have on their posts? They only have 70 on that abusive post right now.
“one very petulant clown”
Fucking-A right!
BB,
Here’s the comment in its totality. I came shortly after the rules being posted.
“It came shortly after the rules being posted.”
There are a lot of Buttburger people over there. The real Wonkette must be rolling over in her Time Magazine grave. And they call us unedumacated?
I believe in Karma AND ‘Double double toil and trouble, Fire burn and cauldron bubble.’ See, I’m open minded. That’s liberal. The problem with Karma is sometimes it takes years. Other things rush it along a little faster.
I like how “largely female audience” is a pejorative, plus the dismissiveness of “a few gays.” LOL
Now somebody explain to me again, why do we lose every election? I don’t get it. I’m puzzling till my puzzler is sore and nothing makes sense.
Here’s the entire quote linked from Pat Johnson at 12:30 am. And Myiq, they are encouraging everyone to vote for Rumproast because of you.
nrelement says at 11:30 pm, January 5th, 2009
The Confluence is the last refuge of a political animal that by now should be extinct, the PUMA. These people think that they are the ultimate guardians of liberalism even though they voted largely for McCain. There are reasons to dislike or mistrust Obama but theirs amount to the fact that Obama has a penis. That’s his crime. I won’t dispute that were blatant sexism in the primary campaign but that’s not the reason Senator Clinton lost. As a Clinton supporter, she ran a lousy campaign. They’ll never admit that however. Clinton can do no wrong and Obama can do nothing right. They pounce on every perceived failure of Obama.
The Confluence has largely female audience, a few gays and one very petulant clown. Their bloggers, with the exception of Dakinat (an economist in New Orleans) are all rank hypocrites with no political experience. The founder and owner of the blog is a woman who blogs as ‘riverdaughter’. Based in NJ, she’s an ex-Kossack and an ex-Jehovah’s Witness. She thinks that she and her little group will be savior of the Democratic Party. I am not quite sure how. It’s a pretty cultist place that specializes in unrelenting snark and sheer stupidity. During the primaries, during the summer and the fall campaign, anything that was anti-Obama, no matter the source, found its onto the Confluence. The bloggers are fond of quoting Thomas Sowell, Amir Taheri, Karl Rove, Cal Thomas in their pursuit of all things anti-Obama. It’s not really a blog but a forum of vile hate.
I can’t find it, Prolix.
Looks like they scrubbed that comment
there appears to be two theads about us
Amazing how they spun RD’s post about the sh!t she endured as a child growing up as JW into ’she’s an ex-Jehovah Witness’.
OOO, May I moon the lurkers?
Good — I just sent a copy of the comment to the admin on webblogs via email.
Prolix,
I found it. I was on the wrong thread. I got a screenshot and I’ll send it to Kevin at the awards site.
“one very petulant clown”
I feel like I won an award
BB, I should have said it was from Pat’s link, sorry.
May I moon the lurkers?
Let me join you
http://myiq2xu.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/myiq2xu-says/
see, those dumbass Obots still get it wrong — it is not that we hate Obama because he has a penis — it is that they LOVE Obama because he has a penis.
They are wrong. We never quote Karl Rove.
afroc: I already spoke up about turning the other cheeks
bb — good going! I only sent a cut & paste job — a screenshot is much better.
Have we figured out the penalties for criminal possession of a penis yet? WE have someone working on that, right?
Well afrocity — if you are the black Ann Coulter can I be the female Ann Coulter?
myiq — did you see they were criticizing you for urging people to vote with reference to Night of 1000s Corpses? LMAO!
There’s been many a day where I wished I had a penis.
GAGirl, I noticed that too. Religious bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, classism, whatever your preferred form f hate, you’ll find it in HopeyChangeyLand!
Jmac — the only time I wish I had a penis was so that I could tell the Obots to suck it.
Ah, Angie I just bought a blond hair weave.
Hey if it’s some pimply-faced little boy asshole in charge over there, instead of Wankette, just call it Wank IT.
The Confluence has largely female audience, a few gays and one very petulant clown. Their bloggers, with the exception of Dakinat (an economist in New Orleans) are all rank hypocrites with no political experience.
What political experience does that poster have? After this abortion of an election, I wouldn’t want to own up to having any political experience.
Oh yes, RD grew up in a JW household therefore she is beneath contempt from the Wankette crowd. Too bad they don’t know what a JW is.
I just sent Al’s campaign some money to fend off the Coleman law suit. Why do I feel this year’s elections were more like the awards for best soap operas ?
angienc2, on January 6th, 2009 at 2:24 am Said:
Jmac — the only time I wish I had a penis was so that I could tell the Obots to suck it.
Oh you and GI Jane!! How butch! (they mentioned the few gays so thought I’d throw somethin’ in)
afrocity — LOL well, I’ll be the brunette Ann Coulter then.
That’s not fair, angie. They love Obama because his inexperience takes hsshape in their minds and it’s, wow, it’s so tall and proud and strong and pointy, why it looks a bit like the Washington Monument. Palin’s inexperience just doesn’t bring up that mental image. It’s murkier, and well, a whole difefrent shape altogether. It’s like a murky, scary pond. Not a shaft at all. The penis has nothing to do with it.
That’s OK, Prolix. I sent a screen shot of it with the link, and I sent them the one from the Cheeto also.
sheesh, that quote has me feeling really weird Fred … what if my political experience was, like Nixon Youth or something. Would that count?
afrocity, are you banned from teh Today show too? When the white Ann looks in the mirror, do you have o wave back at her?
Fredster — yes, you and fuzzy are the “few gays” to whom they refer. (notice you sophisticated & erudite Wankettes — I did NOT end my sentence with a preposition).
Do you think they count the lesbians on this site as “gay” or “women” — I’m sure it is women, as that is the bigger “put down” in their minds. (That is, they like to pretend they like the gays, but they make no bones about hating women).
Can I be the nice Ann Coulter?
Hey dk, poly exp. is poly exp.
Seriously,
If she came to Chicago for a book signing I would be the first (and probably only) black Chicagoan in line. She is funny and I am buying her new book.
Seriously, on January 6th, 2009 at 2:27 am Said:
LMFAO!
Dakinikat,
I’m pretty sure their political experience resembles Hitler Youth. I wonder if they’re all going to join up with Obama’s civilian national security force?
Hey dk, poli exp. is poli exp.
bb — I would never dream of being nice to Ann Coulter — until now.
Now, now PUMAs, I thought I was the only non liberal here. Can’t say I am not enjoying the company. I told Angie I don’t want to have to be the Elisabeth on the View From Under the Bus.
They blogger boys think sitting in mommy’s basement writing “bitches ain’t s—-” with cheeto stained fingers is the only true form of activism.
fredster’s right. I just scanned thru the last six pages of posts and it’s all wannabe funny snark. They’re not liberal. They just make fun of all things political. Maybe it once was, but not now. I don’t know how they managed to be nominated in the liberal category.
Afrocity — as long as I don’t have to be the Starr Jones, you don’t have to be the Elisabeth.
“If you’re not a liberal when you’re in your 20s you haven’t got a heart; if you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 40 you haven’t got a brain.” It’s a reasonable summation of youth’s innocence and its desire to save the downtrodden from the seeming unfairness of the world, and of adults’ experience and its learned realization that utopia on earth is not an option.
Dak – you’re the only one here not a rank hypocrite. Maybe a little bit of a hypocrite, but not rank.
come to think of it, we’ve been reduced to that lately!!
afrocity — the thuggery of the Obots have proven there can be no utopia on earth.
Jmac: i’m still trying to decipher that quote, please don’t add more when i’ve had a few glasses of cab and really need to sleep
Come to think of it wasn’t utopia what Lenin promised? “Bread, land & peace”
We are the Jedi Knights. They are the Obamatroopers.
<iDo you think they count the lesbians on this site as “gay” or “women” — I’m sure it is women, as that is the bigger “put down” in their minds. (That is, they like to pretend they like the gays, but they make no bones about hating women).
They probably count the lesbians only as women and they don’t like women.
… they like to pretend they like the gays
that’s so that if they are drunk they cannot be held responsible for the blowjob they got from a gay male. And naturally, they’ll never admit to being so drunk they returned the favor.
myiq2xu,
That thread I was reading at Wankette was about 40% buttburger freaks–at least.
“Fredster — yes, you and fuzzy are the “few gays” to whom they refer. (notice you sophisticated & erudite Wankettes — I did NOT end my sentence with a preposition).”
Angie’s got a smedumication!!!!!!! I would yell ’stone her’ but that would make me one of them well educated Obots, wouldn’t it? I’m so confused.
just give me bread and roses angie
I wish this damned thing had a preview!!
dakinikat — I want bread & cheese & a few olives — am I a greedy Capitalist?
Angie’s got a smedumication!!!!!!! I would yell ’stone her’ but that would make me one of them well educated Obots, wouldn’t it? I’m so confused.
Oh God! Seriously, you are making me laugh tonight!
angie: nope, i belive they call that greek
petulant – pert, saucy, testy, wanton, crabbed (!), huffish,peevish, waspish, perverse. That’s our MYIQ.
No, Angie. The liberals in Chicago made our local market put in an olive bar.
Fredster — It doesn’t count if you are drunk! LOL
angienc2, on January 6th, 2009 at 2:42 am Said:
Fredster — It doesn’t count if you are drunk! LOL
Oh I see. It’s the “Christ was I drunk last night” syndrome.
Caroline is an educated liberal:
You know, I — uhhh, and, you know, um, you know, and, um, you know, in my own case I think, you know, it’s — eh, in our family, you know, you always think about, you know, going into politics, you know? … You know, after 9/11 I thought about, you know… And I think, you know… You know, everyday New Yorkers. And so um, you know, I think, um, uh, as well as myself, you know? … You know, all over, you know, again — and so I thought, you know, you know, umm, you know, “What can I do?” You know, I really ought to give it some thought, you know? In the future, you know? You know… You know… And, you know, while I was thinking about it just sort of, you know, in my own — you know? Saying, you know, “Why don’t you be Senator? You know, you’d be great! You know, go for it rooting for you.” You know, you know, coming up to me, you know, thought this was real so, you know, so I thought, “Well, you know…” Because, you know — But I think, you know, I… You know, public service is really, uhh, eh, you know, and, um, you know, I come at this as, you know, a mother. You know, people um, you know, um, what made America — You know, I don’t have… You know, we talk…
Phew! Greeks can’t be capitalists — we take 2 hour daily siestas — and as long as the “liberals” like olives I’m in the clear.
Okay, I’m going to bed and sharing something I love with you …
from my grandmother’s recipe file
IRISH BLACK GINGER CAKE
1/2 cup butter, softened (1 stick) –do not use margarine
1/2 cup sugar
1 egg
1 cup dark molasses
2 1/2 cups flour
1 1/2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon ground cloves
1 teaspoon ground ginger
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
1 cup hot, freshly brewed strong coffee
Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Butter an 8-inch square or 9-inch round
cake pan and set aside.
Beat together the butter and sugar until smooth. In a large bowl,
beat egg into molasses, then add to the butter mixture. Sift together
flour, cinnamon, cloves, ginger and salt, then fold into the butter
mixture.
Dissolve baking soda in coffee, then add it to the batter.
Beat vigorously until well blended. Scrape the batter into the
prepared pan. Bake 45 to 60 minutes or until a tester inserted into
the center of the cake comes out clean.
Okay, I’m going to bed and sharing something I love with you …
from my grandmother’s recipe file
IRISH BLACK GINGER CAKE
1/2 cup butter, softened (1 stick) –do not use margarine
1/2 cup sugar
1 egg
1 cup dark molasses
2 1/2 cups flour
1 1/2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon ground cloves
1 teaspoon ground ginger
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
1 cup hot, freshly brewed strong coffee
Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Butter an 8-inch square or 9-inch round
cake pan and set aside.
Beat together the butter and sugar until smooth. In a large bowl,
beat egg into molasses, then add to the butter mixture. Sift together
flour, cinnamon, cloves, ginger and salt, then fold into the butter
mixture.
Dissolve baking soda in coffee, then add it to the batter.
Beat vigorously until well blended. Scrape the batter into the
prepared pan. Bake 45 to 60 minutes or until a tester inserted into
the center of the cake comes out clean.
angienc2, on January 6th, 2009 at 2:44 am Said:
Phew! Greeks can’t be capitalists — we take 2 hour daily siestas — and as long as the “liberals” like olives I’m in the clear.
But don’t the Italians and Spaniards do the same?
night dakinikat!
I vote myiq changes his moniker to ‘The Huffish Clown.’
For those still up, new thread.
Italians & Spaniards aren’t capitalists either — none of the Southern Europeans are — we work to live, we don’t live to work.
This is posted at the awards site:
With polls now open we need to describe one of the changes in the voting mechanism this year.
Every year review the vote logs and voting patterns from previous years to fortify our defenses against manual and automated poll spamming. This year we’ve made changes to protect against a handful of savvy folks who take it upon themselves to try and ruin the fun for everyone else.
This year we’ve implemented additional defenses against poll spamming. We can’t go into all the changes, but we do want to alert you to one change that may affect a subset of users.
If there are multiple computers voting in a home, work, or corporate environment those voters should avoid voting at the same time or one right after another. If you’re not trying to cast votes in these situations simultaneously (or near simultaneously) then there shouldn’t be any problem with them being counted.
Due to the sensitivity of this issue we can’t really answer every question about our security measures, but know that we have multiple layers of security that are always balanced with providing open voting access to everyone. The result is a secure, enjoyable experience.
Again, the vast majority of voters will never notice, nor be affected, by these changes, nor will the system ever drop a vote that they cast. We just wanted to make sure everyone participating knows what’s happening.
It sounds like he needs an enema.
That recipe sounds good!
Jmac,
It sounds like their system might be able to catch the cheating. It also sounds like they care about cheating. That’s a good thing.
In the spirit of love and reconciliation, Cinie is our new front pager, so suck on that Wonkette! You wish you had her!
bb — thanks for sending the screen shots & links to the admin!
angienc2, on January 6th, 2009 at 2:47 am Said:
Italians & Spaniards aren’t capitalists either — none of the Southern Europeans are — we work to live, we don’t live to work.
True. And it’s about the same for New Orleanians!
BTW, have you ordered King Cake yet Angie?
Fredster — you can’t celebrate 12th night without one!
who did you order from?
All the various Randazzos are coming out of the woodwork at this time of year!
Angie,
Thank you for doing it too. Did you see that thing about spamming that I posted? It sounds like they have some methods to recognize cheating. If I hear back from him I’ll let you know.
Wait a minute BB and Angie…what screen shots and what admin and who him???
bb — yes, I read it & am glad they have it on their site. I hope they are taking it as seriously as they seem to be (being an old, bitter fat hag — with all her teeth! — I don’t know much about these here computers or intertubz). LOL!!
Ok all, I’m off to bed where I will cling to my bitterness & guns until I drift off to dream land.
Fredster — I wouldn’t throw a Randazzo king cake out of bed, but I’m a Haydel’s girl myself.
Always a toss-up for me between Haydel’s and Gambinos.
Randazzo was just too much like a giant cinnamon roll to me.
Plus, the employees at the stores in the parish had such attitude!
Okay, sorry, that wasn’t very hopey changey–so in the true spirit of love and reconciliation, great blog you got there, W. For all our adolescent anal sex needs, we wouldn’t dream of going anywhere else. We actually wish we had your front pagers, but Stuttering John and Artie both turned us down flat. *sighs*
Well since we are not edumacated and have no political experience I guess this site is just low-life enough for us:
http://www.fart-sounds.net/fart_sound_board.htm
afrocity,
With all respect, I sometimes think the phrase -’If you’re not a liberal when you’re in your 20s you haven’t got a heart; if you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 40 you haven’t got a brain’– may have a little to do with a person gaining more income by the time they’re 40 and not thrilled by the bigger chunk coming out of the paycheck. I certainly noticed it- as a single person -and found a way to live within my means, but I know it’s not that easy for everyone.
I always think of my friends daughter who came to see me a few years ago crying, because after leaving her abusive husband with two kids, she was thinking about applying for food stamps and felt so embarrassed and degraded. I had to beg, plead and practically force her to apply. I finally said to her, “Please, do it for ME! Do it for ME! I want to know that what I’ve been paying in will help YOU.” I saw this look come on her face and she realized that people do care and don’t judge. Just a few months of food stamps allowed her to save for the deposit on an apartment for her and her kids. Shortly thereafter, she got a great job because someone else noticed she deserved it.
It makes it a helluva alot easier to bring home less money when you actually know someone whose benefiting from those hugh taxes. It gave her a hand up to get to the point of paying it forward.
If Afrocity is the black/blonde Ann Coulter and Angie is the female Ann Coulter, who is going to be the ‘human’ Ann Coulter?
By the way, the Washington State political blogs are in a tizzy about the possibility of Governor Gregiore to replace Judas as the nominee for Sec. of Commerce. She is in DC with a “Big Announcement” scheduled for early tomorrow AM. Gregiore’s spokesperson is ‘no-commenting’ like mad — even when asked if Gregiore will continue on as governor.
I love that story, GAgal!