I continue to be amazed by the number of progressive bloggers that are rationalizing their votes for Obama while experiencing one jaw-dropping Obama appointment after another. Today, I read David Sirota’s addendum to the latest progressive hissy-fit. That is, it must be we haven’t had enough hissy-fits because the one is obviously not listening to us. Read it all here.
Did Obama really run on a progressive agenda? If you’ve read any of us Cassandras here on The Confluence or other Puma places, you’ll see that we’ve been saying he’s not a progressive for a long time. My favorite description of the one is opportunistic chameleon. Let’s face it progressives, ever since you were had on FISA, the one realized it wasn’t his platform but his hopey changey say nothing of substance speeches that would get him elected. Why would you think that would change now?
I don’t find it the least bit odd that the criticism of the newly appointed Obama team isn’t coming from Republicans. Every Republican talking head from Karl Rove on down has been talking about the wondrous Team Obama. These appointments were evident back in the primary days. The Wall Street money was going to the Obama campaign from the very beginning. Where were you all when I was going on about Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee? Here’s an example from Sirota’s rationalization-du-jour.
The “rivalry” is between the positions/ideology of the appointees and the positions/ideology Obama explicitly campaigned on.
For instance, the “rivalry” isn’t between Bob Rubin proteges Larry Summers and Tim Geithner on economic policy – it is between Summers and Geithner the ideological deregulators and Obama’s promises to better regulate Wall Street. Likewise, the “rivalry” isn’t between Hillary Clinton and the other “hawks” on the foreign policy team, it is between Clinton who bashed Obama’s proposalsfor more diplomacy with enemies and Obama’s promises to diplomatically reach out to enemy nations.
I remember the entire gang at FDL trying to roast me over an open flame when I kept saying you’re listening to campaign rhetoric and not watching the greater game. Remember, the greater game included Susan Rice’s antics (ignore the man behind the curtain, he’s just saying that) and Furman’s antics (oh, Canada, that’s just campaign speech on NAFTA, ignore the man behind the curtain). Now you’re amazed that it was just rhetoric? Please! Don’t tell me you’re REALLY that stupid? It seems to me they were much more in love with the idea of a black progressive president on the mirror’s side of wonderland.
Meanwhile, the true economic progressive blogs are saying that the Obama Team is really not thinking big enough. I’m not the least bit surprised that the latest rumor is that Obama just wants the Bush Tax cuts to run their course. So let me give you some quotes Harvard Economist and Bush adviser Greg Mankiw offers up from Team Obama on economic policy.
Expecting Regulation of exotic mortgage derivatives? Here’s one from Goolsbee basically implying that progressives shouldn’t hold their breaths.
When Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, gave his opening statement last week at the hearings lambasting the rise of “risky exotic and subprime mortgages,” he was actually tapping into a very old vein of suspicion against innovations in the mortgage market…..Congress is contemplating a serious tightening of regulations to make the new forms of lending more difficult. New research from some of the leading housing economists in the country, however, examines the long history of mortgage market innovations and suggests that regulators should be mindful of the potential downside in tightening too much.
How about some nice juicy taxes on those uberrich folks or maybe some nice government spending stimulus? Here’s Christina Romer (with and without her economist husband).
Tax changes have very large effects on output. Our baseline specification suggests that an exogenous tax increase of one percent of GDP lowers real GDP by roughly three percent.
–Christina Romer (writing with husband David)
Given the key roles of monetary contraction and the gold standard in causing the Great Depression, it is not surprising that currency devaluations and monetary expansion became the leading sources of recovery throughout the world….the new spending programs initiated by the New Deal had little direct expansionary effect on the economy.
Expecting Team Obama to be union friendly and open to things like making unemployment benefits behave like better safety nets? Not so fast, here’s the lovely Larry Summers:
Unemployment insurance also extends the time a person stays off the job. Clark and I estimated that the existence of unemployment insurance almost doubles the number of unemployment spells lasting more than three months. If unemployment insurance were eliminated, the unemployment rate would drop by more than half a percentage point, which means that the number of unemployed people would fall by about 750,000. This is all the more significant in light of the fact that less than half of the unemployed receive insurance benefits, largely because many have not worked enough to qualify.
Another cause of long-term unemployment is unionization. High union wages that exceed the competitive market rate are likely to cause job losses in the unionized sector of the economy. Also, those who lose high-wage union jobs are often reluctant to accept alternative low-wage employment. Between 1970 and 1985, for example, a state with a 20 percent unionization rate, approximately the average for the fifty states and the District of Columbia, experienced an unemployment rate that was 1.2 percentage points higher than that of a hypothetical state that had no unions.
As Riverdaughter and most writers on The Confluence have pointed out over and over again, these folks were around during the primary so wtf did you all expect? Sorry, David, there’s always been a canyon between what Obama says and what he does. I just wish you’d have noticed it sooner.
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Excellent post, dakinikat!
Can we now call the progressives “regressives” instead? They’re clearly going backwards through time! Where were they from January to June? to September? to November?
We were all watching the same election. Were they wiling their brain cells away in a dank bar somewhere? Are they just now recovering from the mother of all cHANGeovers and realizing that they can’t find their underwear even though they’re still wearing their pants?
I have no sympathy for their ethical/political whiplash. What they haven’t learned, they’ll feel.
Great post, by the way, DKat.
I’m not sure what to call ‘progressives’ other than really stupid
Oh, I just got an email from SM, folks. She’s sick and trying really hard to get better so she hasn’t been much up to blogging of late. That and work. She’s all right though otherwise. Just thought I’d let you know.
Thanks, Reg, I was beginning to worry about her. At least we know she is doing better.
Someone is going to have to define all over again the meaning of the word “progressive” since it eludes me to this day. If what we witnessed this election from the “progressive movement” is a study in itself, put me into the category of “confused”.
Obama, the Progressive Democratic. Sounds like the title of a children’s fairy tale.
i think we’re all confused, Pat … i’ve started to see it as hopey changey wishfulness
Or at least put the word “Progressive” in quotes.
These people aren’t progressive, they’re authoritarian followers. Gee, I wonder if they wanna buy my bridge.
American DimoCraZy: “Teddy, I don’t think we’re in Camelot anymore.”
Ah, Kat, thanks for writing such a wonderful piece. I’ve been trying to write something along the same lines, but I just don’t have it in me today.
Regency – THANKS for the news about SM. I wrote her some time ago asking if she was OK and never heard back. Thank goodness she is feeling better and working.
They don’t want to buy your bridge, they want to take it from you after you build it with your own two hands and give it to EVERYONE, except you, to use.
it’s Obamalot: where everything left is really right
The problem is we have not been in Camelot in over 40 years and wishing to recreate it won’t make it so. The Obama’s are about as close to being another Jack and Jackie as I am to holding the title of Miss America!
She’s not better yet. That’s the problem. She’s got a really bad case of strep. But she’s gotta work so she’s balancing as best she can.
Degressives, perhaps?
And thanks for reading the DS article for me, dakinikat. I got as far as “macro thoughts” and gave up in macro disgust. Maybe they were all too busy thinking “big” to actually pay attention to those pesky detail thingies.
Degressives it is.
Funny you should write this today:
I don’t find it the least bit odd that the criticism of the newly appointed Obama team isn’t coming from Republicans. Every Republican talking head from Karl Rove on down has been talking about the wondrous Team Obama.
Immediately before I sat down at my desk & read it my Republican boss had just mentioned to me how “impressed” he was with B0’s appointments. I asked him “Are you surprised? The same boys who elected W elected O.” He laughed and agreed saying “Yep, he’s definitely center right.”
If my non-political junkie boss can see it, wtf is up with everyone in the Left blogosphere?
dakinikat: This is priceless! We could make a fortune with that slogan. Coins, plates, you name it.
Great post.
The so called “progressives” aren’t liberal. They are just the “pollyanna elite” kids who got to go to college on mom&pop scholarships and think getting a college edumacation and good job in librul arts is so easy – everyone should.
And, you know, college was such a hardship for them (mom made them go) – those blue collar workers making the same $$ – well, they should be punished with mini-mart wages.
No, Pat, you’re a lot closer to that title.
Strep is very serious. You can develop heart disease if not properly treated. The poor thing!
BO is not progressive, he’s not a democrat, he’s not republican…. he’s an authoritarian narcissist with fascistic tendencies. He’s a fan of grandiosity and spectacle. Corporate bigwigs were the first to embrace fascism because it gave them the freedom to make huge profits as long as they kept their heads down and produced what the leader wanted, when he wanted and with the labor relations he wanted. Today is tinfoil hat Tuesday, so I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I’m waiting for the next terrorist attack to be an excuse for BO to impose some sort of martial law complete with citizen surveillance and an internal security force loyal to him.
Pat — I’m throwing my vote in with gxm — you are much closer to being Miss America then Obamalot is to being Camelot — And before you protest, Miss America isn’t solely about superficial beauty — talent & smarts counts a lot too. You’ve got those in spades.
The “progessives” are much too busy stroking Obama’s slimy coat at the moment to notice that he is not who they think he is. If I hear “Team of Rivals” once more I am setting my hair on fire!
I read the book. He is no Lincoln.
elderj — double points for you — remembering that today is tinfoil tuesday & coming up with a really really good one! lol
The Obot blogosphere cannot admit it was wrong and are easly played idjits. Their most precious possession is the inexplicable belief in their superior intelligence. LOL
Pat: don’t set your hair on fire, it will mess up your swimsuit competition.
angie and gxm: On second thought you might have something there. I used to do some local modeling but that all ended when I was doing a luncheon show and my hips knocked against a table for 8 and sent the water carafe spilling all over the group sitting there. Oh well.
Hmmmmmm, I may consider making a “comeback” using my granddaughters as props!!!
Happy (formerly Angry) Black Guy is on an old thread.
Sending lots of healing to SM…
as for the people who actually voted for bo thinking he was a “progressive”; they deserve to come out of denial by getting hit by lightning …if that does it …
I swear to goddess this morning he sounded just like John Wayne
he missed his calling as a mimic
elderj: hope your crystal ball is wrong, but wouldn’t that just be the thing to happen? A constitutional lawyer/instructor winds up trashing the constitution …
it’s like some kind of grisham script
elderj, on December 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 pm :
No doubt about it . Big Mouth Biden told us
this already. In the next four years Joe will be a great source of real info ….by accidently gaffe of course.
Happy Black Guy still seems pretty angry if you ask me
I love Grisham!
I love Grisham too, but not so much in the executive branch…
Good for Happy Black Guy. And yawn.
I’ll stick to the thread with the handsome black guy posting. And that is not a sexist comment, I really do enjoy elderj’s comments. It’s so nice when he stops by.
FLVoter wrote: Obama, the Progressive Democratic. Sounds like the title of a children’s fairy tale.
Be careful — remember the treatment Bill got by calling it a fairytale. He was labeled a racist.
Heard Tweety yesterday after the press conference say “maybe he’s appointing from the right because that leaves him free to lead from the left. At least I hope so….” Die-hard delusional.
So, since when did Hillary get “right”? She was always, during the primaries, far far to the left of That One.
It would have been nice if these pathetic so called progressives had gotten their heads out of their a$$es before we got in this freaking mess. I think dakinnikat was absolutely right when she said:
It seems to me they were much more in love with the idea of a black progressive president on the mirror’s side of wonderland.
there’s something sociopathic about going to a blog where your comments get deleted and saying passive aggressive things for no apparent reason …
The progressives are having trouble coming to grips with the reality that they put out for their man and now it is revealed that he doesn’t respect them in the morning.
Agreed, Puma-SF. Great line and dead on. They were (and are) in love with their “big” ideas and don’t realize it’s all so much navel gazing. There’s a reality outside of their thought bubble which appears to be all too slowly crystallizing for them.
A/HBG
Our argument is Barry wants to eat his waffles
the argument is that Hillary was always Hillary, Obama says whatever to get elected … we always knew hillary was central right, but she never promised anything else.
HBG:
We’re not upset. We knew better.
It’s the Obama supporters who thought Obama really was a progressive that are upset.
I have never seen a PUMA “bemoaning Obama’s secret moderate agenda”
I’ve seen PUMAs saying “I TOLD YOU SO!”
if I’d have believed a word Obama said from the very beginning, I’d have voted for him … I never knew/know what to believe about what he says .. he just says what ever is expedient … that drives me nuts
See, I don’t think the “progressives” have any commitment whatsoever to traditional Democratic values. Most of them simply hated Hillary so much, they saw Obama as their way to kick the Clintons out of government forever. They did not want her and Bill to be the face of the Democratic Party anymore – they wanted something new and shiny. That, plus the bonus “post-r*cial” factor, was all they needed to turn their CDS into passionate advocacy for a man whose qualifications and accomplishments did not remotely prepare him for the hardest job in the world.
Many of them stamped their tiny feet and howled about how right-wing Hillary was and how left-wing Obama was by contrast, then screamed at us how we should vote for Obama because he and Hillary were the same on issues.
The stupidity, it BURRRRNNNNNSSSSSS.
AGB: She is also ten times smarter than your guy and as it looks now, he needs her more than she needs him. Watch for a lots of “what she said” to come out of his mouth in the coming months. Remember how he did that during the debates? The Me Too Policies of Obama?
You got what you wanted: a black president. Forget that his credentials and experience do not even stack up against yours. Live with the “historical” part. It is all you have.
Many of us were not happy about Hillary’s appointment. Many of us are trying to make the best of (what we see as) a bad situation. Personally, I fear she will be used as a scapegoat. But I’m going to get on madamab’s train and stand fast with cautious optimism.
I’m very left and never supported Hillary because she was the “liberal” candidate. She is much more to the center than I am. I supported her because she was the experienced candidate. And she is passionate in her work.
great post dakini — madamab — elderj just expressed “my thoughts” very clearly — I see these sorts of probs as well — almost orchestrated in a way…
I do not recognize any of this as a political party that we have known or seen before– truly.
I read some conservatives of late to see what they have to say about all of this. I’m willing at this point to consider any source that can make sense of what just happened. Like so many here I was a dem all my life — till now.
Once Hillary was gone, I was straight McC — even Palin didn’t bother me at that point — which ordinarily she would have.
The tail end baby boom is a very strange mix of things — a big mix — and we have always all gotten along.
Look at the probs now. A total clash of various ideologies all battling it out — not getting along.
Very hard to feel confidence, except about Hillary and perhaps Napolitano — so much will be on their shoulders to carry. Really.
It boggles the mind.
Whoever the “progressives” are, they didn’t want Clinton. They went with hope and knew all along he wasn’t going to deliver a left-of-left agenda. The bottom line was he wasn’t Clinton.
Ha! He’s to the right of Clinton and now they have to live with it. I think Hillary hatred is so intense they will still blame her if things don’t go well.
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Oops, what Madamab said. Should have read more of the posts before posting.
As of today i am satisfied Arthur Silber’s Iron Law as been upheld…..
……Silber’s Iron Law….
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http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/
also .. from same piece
“My liberal, Obamaphile friends are rapidly losing their sense of humor.
Oddly enough, it was more or less OK for me to be a Grinch before the election. Now, however, it seems to be in very poor taste. I’m getting a lot of sour looks and testy emails, when I chortle about Rahm Emanuel, and Tom Daschle, and Larry Summers, and Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.
My friends fell in love, it seems; and the love-object is, well, dumping them — dumping them with almost indecent haste.
Oh yeah, sure, it’s kinder to dump an ex-lover quickly and briskly, instead of drawing it out. But there’s something creepy about a person whose heart is so much under his control that he can act on this undoubtedly sound principle, and never turn a hair.”
ps: the people I was for had the YEARS of experience under their belts — that is what mattered, plus confidence to get us out of the last 8 years.
yikes………..
experience, character, ethics — that sort of thing.
Silber’s Iron Law ..
“Any individual who rises to the national political level is, of necessity and by definition, committed to the authoritarian-corporatist state. The current system will not allow anyone to be elected from either of the two major parties who is determined to dismantle even one part of that system.”
sorry .. sheeesh more coffee .
HBG – Obama is going to take the country left of Bush?
Wow, what an accomplishment. Bush is to the right of Attila the Hun. McCain would have taken the country left of Bush!
“He was never about that and I challenge anyone to find a quote that indicates that he was going to govern from the far left.”
This here is whatcha call yer “straw man” argument.
HBG:
Yes, it is offensive that so many people voted for Obama merely because he is black.
Obots truly lack intelligence. They have a problem with the Clinton appointment, but are silent on keeping Gates? Sounds like nothing but misogyny. Obots just admit it, women scare you. Funny, they voted for Obama because he was a “Progressive.” Turns out we were all correct. Not a “Progressive” bone in his body. In actualilty they voted for him because they thought he was “kewl.” Nothing like picking a President American Idol Style.
Gary has a similar post up on his site and this was my reply:
Wow, Fredster – Connie lived in the next town over from us – I still have the original 45 I bought as a teen – I guess there are a lot of folks who are sorry now – maybe not because I think some are indeed blinded by the glow of O
myiq – Chris Bowers wrote that he was excited because they nominated “The Black Guy.”
I guess that didn’t happen either. La la la la, Unity Pony!
“Obama’s secret moderate agenda”
Obama on FISA? SCOTUS? His anti-women, anti-gay rhetoric? The embarrassing months of kissing hard-right Republican ass and genuflecting before the Reagan shrine?
Puh-leaze. This wasn’t a moderate agenda and it sure as hell wasn’t secret.
Even the massive oBoiz side-step to a uniform adoption of the (fauxgressive) “Progressive” label — now grease-penciled as “moderate” — has been from being too chickenshit scared to reclaim liberalism from its zombie- talking point vilification by standing up to instances as they occur.
It’s still kind of sweet to see oPods venturing into PUMA country to head-shrink the pathology of Not Coming to Obama — you know, like it’s a hormonal thing ladies are going through — rather than accept what’s before everyone’s lying eyes and cheating ears: that Obama’s a lying sack of lying shit who said whatever he needed to ride the news cycles and polls to power.
I think Obama’s campaign was about the most openly cynical I’ve ever seen — but so many people were soooo desperate to be deluded.
Jonelle, I think those who thought, or rather, bought into the entire hopey/changey thing are deeply disappointed and it serves them right. “Look at us; we voted for the Black Guy”. Yeah, rite and he hoodwinked ya!
You got what you wanted: a black president. Forget that his credentials and experience do not even stack up against yours. Live with the “historical” part. It is all you have.”
Let me jump on the offensive bandwagon here
…for anyone to pretend that “making history ” was NOT a MAJOR factor in this election , and that someone with less credentials than any governor in this country ; less experience than any other candidate ; and less credibility as time went on; was elected on any other basis, is to fly in the face of reality . He is the very definition of Political Phantom practice, a phenomenon in which a person’s abilities continue to improve, even without practicing
(This is usally applied to lazy musicians who assert that their skills continue to improve without practice )
This particular candidate also practiced and encouraged sexism and misogyny during the entire campaign . So he has made history indeed , in more ways than one .
Oh, now HBG is offended that women voted for a woman, but not that AA’s voted for an AA.
Dumb*ss, neither one is offensive. At least we admitted what we were doing. You and your cohorts didn’t.
Now it seems that Chris is the go to guy for ‘progressive dissatisfaction ” .. all over the media – even Al-Jazeera wants him …
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10223
I’m amazed to see how it’s now OK for some “progressive” bloggers like Chris Bowers and David Sirota to have a problem with Obama, but PUMAs are still untouchables.
PUMAs will never be forgiven for being right about Obama from the start. Somehow, if we couldn’t or wouldn’t fall for the BS, it is a character fault of ours; if we had wanted change enough, we would have bought into the lies. It’s as if we just didn’t believe in the Power of Love.
In the fauxgressive blogosphere, no independent judgment goes unpunished.
i live in New Orleans, black people only voting for black people happens all the time down here … hence dollar bill is up for re-election despite his bribery charges … every one knows the hallelujah ministers deliver votes and have the palms wide open for their rewards for only black candidates too… it’s very out in the open down here… no one hides behind any pretense of doing anything but voting for there own …i actually find that refreshing when people are honest about their agendas, silly me
frankly0 – Wasn’t it hilarious to hear Obama decry “groupthink” at the press conference yesterday?
Groupthink is what got him elected.
HBG — excuse me, I’m jumping in here — what is with your threat about taking it “for now” — repeated twice I note. What pray tell are you planning to do when you decide to “not take it?” Call us a bunch of r@cists? Peddle your hate & r@ce baiting threats elsewhere please.
(and, btw, telling the truth about B0 is NOT offensive or r@cist — get over yourself).
and we have plenty of folks here supporting the strict 30% formula when it comes to voting for women …
interestingly enough, the runoff down here will pit a republican vietnamese immigrant against dollar bill and from what I can see, this gerrymandered district may get a republican and a nonblack for the first time every … it’s a very interesting thing … probably will write about it on my blog this week, entire thing fascinates me
HBG:
I notice you like to add or change terms in other people’s comments.
I never said it was offensive that black people voted for Obama.
I have rarely had a” I told you so” payoff this fast .
It’s so fast, Obot friends can’t pretend they weren’t for him. So Barry ’s sin is 2 fold. He dumped them AND doesn’t give them time to create a hopy changy rational . If I was an Obot, I’d swear Hillary is the the real POTUS and the evil Clinton’s planned this all along… lol! jees, do I have to come up with thier new story line too?
Looks like all those Obots have been “bamboozled.” They had the “Okey Doke” played on them. Obots, you need to understand that he’s just not that into you.
i agree plural … it seemed to me like a lot of folks wanted the wool pulled over the eyes … maybe it was dubya derangement syndrome
paper doll – LOL!
FLVoter – I’m writing a sequel to that play!
You know what? I have yet to see HBG offer anything but a straw argument based on things no one ever said.
I don’t see any reason to keep him around, do you?
madamab,
Looking forward to reading it!
HBG:
Just so you’ll know, my alias was given to me by someone else and it’s meant as a joke. One reason I keep it is because the way people react to it tells me a lot about them.
IOW – It’s a test and you just flunked.
HBG: i’m being pretty patient with you, but please don’t put words into our mouths. Lots of voters vote for folks based on demographics or kneejerk reactions. We know that. What we’re saying doesn’t imply that doesn’t happen for all kinds of reasons.
Frankly, is it bad of me NOT to want forgiveness ?? and to just want to crack up in hysterical laughter everytime a “progressive” head blows up ?
if so , then I am BAD
and Chris Bowers is not feeling betrayed, just “disappointed” … awwwww and what pray tell is the basis of that disappointment?
Tweety on the other hand , his head blew up years ago but he keeps right on talking …
“bo picked a centrist and right leaning cabinet because he secretly wants to govern from the far left and hopes no one will notice ” is basically what he said .
gee , does every TV comedian wants to run for Senator ???
madamab:
Are we voting him off the island?
Count me as an “AYE”
madamb,
I think the “groupthink” didn’t just get Obama into office — he’s counting on it to get him through his Presidency.
That’s why he’s essentially put in place the last Democratic Presidency under Bill Clinton. This is the group that’s going to do all his thinking. What does he add to the mix? Why, nothing, of course. His Presidency will, at best, be nothing more than the sum of its parts.
In the best possible scenario, he will be the hood ornament on his own Presidency.
madamab:
Are we voting him off the island?
Count me as an “AYE”
Agreed.
I had at least five white friends tell me that they were glad to vote for Obama because iit was an historic vote. Of course, they knew nothing about Obama aside from what he said or what the NYT said about him, but they sure as heck wanted their historic vote. I even had a friend who has been living in France for twenty years mention that she was glad her daughter who just turmed 18 who has not never lived in America but has dual citizenship could vote in a history making election. That’s when I started to have a problem with foreign nationals who have no permament residence in the U.S. voting.
hey SOD! we are all waiting to put our tinfoil hats on cause it’s Tuesday!
I agree, time to give HBG the boot. He is just another mindless Obot.
HBG: (C’mon now myiq, you have read enough of my stuff to know that I swing a sizeable IQ club myself. Not to toot my own horn but . . . no, actually I’ll toot my own horn for once. If I am going to post around here, people need to respect the fact that I am not some “Obamabot” who hasn’t thought through his positions and can’t see Obama critically).
I didn’t realize you were such a comedian.
Frankly0 – He’s gonna sit there and look pretty while the same old people from the Reagan, Bush and Clinton Administrations do the governing.
But it’s okay, because he’s HISTORIC. That’s changey hopey enough for me!!!
I vote for heave-hoing HBG.
Heck, my sister who is eligible to vote, I suppose, but has lived in Australia and England for 30 plus, never registred to vote because she said that it didn’t seem right to her since she only came for short vists and didn’t live here. I guess i should be glad. She almost had heart failure when I told her I voted for McCain because i knew way too much about Obama and couldn’t stand him.
I voted for Hillary because I wanted real change, not fantasies about it.
And honesty, and competence.
I don’t think we should ban HBG. He just helps us craft stronger arguments.
HBG: There is no doubt that many intelligent people voted for Obama and “thought it out.” A good friend of mine told me that HRC has “blood on her hands” re: Iraq and that I was not allowed to point out that Obama was not in a position to vote for OR against the war in response to that critique of HRC. The problem is, that, every time anyone who supported HRC questioned Obama’s experience, or with whom he associated, or to get any information we normally try to get from our elected representatives (right, wrong or indifferent), we (PUMAs particularly) were called r@cists. I concede your point readily that there were many people who voted against Obama because he is black, however, not in sufficient numbers to lose the election. Therefore, I, like many other PUMAs, think our country was well ready for a black president, and, like madamab and RD have repeatedly said, would have been out in the streets celebrating, too. But, to echo many Hillary haters, we just did not want *this* black guy, b/c we didn’t buy what he was selling. And, it turns out, we were right.
Oh my another Obamabot just bound and determined to convert us heathens. And one with a self-proclaimed “big” I.Q. too.
It doesn’t make any of us Obama “haters” feel better to see all Obama voters as idiots. It makes us very sad. Very sad indeed.
I don’t like cheaters and liars. Obama is a cheater and a liar. Ergo, I don’t like Obama. Simple really. Even us low I.Q. folks can understand that.
I wasn’t planning on doing Tinfoil Tuesday every week, just once a month
So, HBG why did you vote for O? What of his accomplishments made you jump on board?
Fredster — I saw your remarks re: Southwest in Raleigh, NC — too far for me to drive (ie why drive 2 1/2 hours when I can drive 15 minutes to the airport?). More importantly I only take direct flights domestically because it isn’t the changing planes I don’t like it is the layovers themselves — why spend 6 hours getting there when flying time is only 1 1/2?
But thank you!
Barry will run for his 2nd term with the theme that he tried the ” evil ” Clinton way his first term and it bombed…( because the Upper Crust will continue to rob us as they fire our asses ) but he’s learned his lesson, and THIS time it will be hopey changey for real!!! …and you know what? The same people would get on the Obot love train again .
Anyone who thinks Hillary has blood on her hands about Iraq has not read the speech she gave before the vote, or the resolution itself, for that matter.
myiq2xu, on December 2nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Given the la la land we have entered it might be needed weekly! lol!
It is also curious that Biden and everyone else who voted for the AUMF gets a pass, but somehow Hillary is personally at fault for what Bush did.
Obama is a free marketer’s dream because so many assumptions are automatically made about him. Look at this article in the Christian Science Monitor. “The Obama of Brazil” http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081112/cm_csm/ebrazil You don’t even have to read past the first sentence:
“Like Barack Obama, Brazil’s president rose to power from poverty and the political left. But during six years in office, he has ruled from the center, tapping Brazil’s market strengths, earning him world respect. When the two men finally meet, it may be President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva – or “Lula” – who teaches Mr. Obama a thing or two.”
What evidence do they have that he was ever impoverished? Because he told them “…I was going to a fancy prep school, and my mother was on food stamps while she was getting her Ph.D.”
And how could he NOT be from the “political left”, coming from that impoverished background and all. But I don’t think Barry-O from the Hawaiian hood barrio will need much coaching on “ruling from the center”.
Angie, oh okay. i just saw they did have a one-stop no change going from or to nola (forgot which now).
Sigh…it looks like US Air has you in the corner damnit!!
plural, on December 2nd, 2008 at 2:46 pm Said:
I voted for Hillary because I wanted real change, not fantasies about it.
And honesty, and competence.
Me too. But that’s exactly why the Upper Crust said hell, no .
Micki – The straw man BS doesn’t make you craft stronger arguments, IMHO.
If HBG ever responded to things we actually said, rather than things he claims we said, we might have some discussions going on. But instead he just throws up a bunch of word fogs and brags about how smart he is.
OMG – He’s Barack Obama!
Does ABG have his own blog? The only “writing” I’m familiar with is of the tr0lling kind.
madamab, on December 2nd, 2008 at 2:57 pm Said:
….OMG – He’s Barack Obama!….
madamab…they say he’s always on his blackberry! lol!
thenotionthatsomehow – Best. Blog handle. Ever.
gxm17 – Nice use of quotation marks.
madamaB:
Well, I think you just told HBG what he needs to do to participate here. Which would actually be valuable, IMHO, if he were to do so.
He is tenacious, though, isn’t he.
HBG – the “people voted against BO because they’re r@cist” meme won’t fly here; you can peddle that cr@p elsewhere. As a person who has lived in and has good friends in Appalachia, you can take your condescension and stick where the sun doesn’t shine.
We are well aware that some people really thought through their vote for BO, we just know that many people chose to believe beyond evidence or even in spite of evidence that he was the best person for the job. We also know that the media (now self admittedly) was in the tank for BO from the beginning and that this poisoned the well for many people in their decision making process.
Of all the many varied people who post here, I probably fit the bill the least. I’m much more conservative than most of the folks here and am a scary evangelical to boot. Nevertheless, there is a degree of respect for hard work, professionalism, integrity of the democratic process, and track record that keeps us all together here in this little corner of the blogosphere without resorting to the mind numbing contortionist conformity that seems to be the new normal in the so-called Democratic Party under BO. We are also all rabidly anti-misogynistic, although I’m certain if pressed to the wall in a cocktail party we’d find ourselves all over the map in trying to define what exactly feminism should mean or look like. These common values are what make BO anathema to us and not anything else. The blindness of those who followed him mindlessly is to us now a bit humorous and frankly we deserve a good chuckle after all we saw throughout this campaign.
In conclusion…. if you’re gonna play here, you’d better respect the rules of the playground.
I don’t like the word progressive.
Cancer is progressive.
It travels slowiy through the body killing off cells one by one.
Obama is killing our country.
Delle
backtrack is a prime example of the Peter Principal.
When someone is promoted to his level of incompetence.
There is a post at No Quarter about the cheating to get thru school and how in this election it was considered ok to scam the election.
wm ayers school of teaching is coming to fruitation.
Before people start screaming racist , stupid and cheating has no color.
WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Elderj – Very, very well said. Thank you.
New post up!
madamab — A tribute to our new Lawyer in Chief…
Elderj: (applauding)
Thanks, elderj;Well said.
Elderj, wonderful!
elderj — Amen!
That’s why it’s always so nice when elderj drops by. Love his comments!
At my salt mines, I derive my freudenfreude from the Obama fans not being able to don the mantle of his blackness for the purpose of laying their smug righteous superiority on Typical R@cist Old White Women like myself.
Four years of smack — deNIEDDDDD! [/Marv Albert]
“OMG – He’s Barack Obama!”
Well, on TGW he *does* claim to be a lawyer.
hmmmmmmm…..
Good post. I think what we are witnessing is the death of the FDR legacy to this country. The only thing this past election did was to elect a president of a different party but of the same constituency, the wealthy and privileged.
So Mr. Larry Summers is not a supporter of Unemployment Insurance. Isn’t he one of those great Clintonites. Back in 2002, Hillary introduced a legislation to extend Unemployment Insurance. It didn’t pass through the House so she tried again in 2003. It passed in the senate. Are we sure that Hillary would have chosen the same “Clintonistas” as Obama has chosen?
From today’s WSJ. Amazes me. Profound lack of oversight (post de-regulation) caused this mess, so now the same people involved in the creation of the crisis are handing out billions of dollars WITHOUT oversight. They are bankrupting this country before our eyes.
WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department has failed to address a number of critical issues while implementing the $700 billion financial rescue plan, including how to ensure its efforts are successful, the Government Accountability Office said Tuesday.
The report, which was required by the legislation authorizing the rescue plan, said Treasury has yet to figure out how to make sure financial firms receiving billions of dollars of federal funds comply with limits on executive compensation and dividend payments. (Read the full report.)
On a more basic level, the Treasury’s efforts to establish “an effective management structure and an essential system of internal control” are incomplete, the report said.
“Without a strong oversight and monitoring function, Treasury’s ability to help ensure an appropriate level of accountability and transparency will be limited,” the report said.
The report also noted that the Treasury has yet to fully staff its Office of Financial Stability, which is implementing the Troubled Asset Relief Program. The office will eventually need as many as 200 full-time employees, the GAO said, but as of Nov. 21 only 48 employees were assigned to the TARP program. Increasing that number in the near term could prove difficult, the report said, because of the many permutations to the program since it was passed by Congress and the transition to the next administration in the White House.
These hiring issues, the report said, could limit the Treasury’s ability to keep key leadership positions filled, “potentially creating uncertainty about the direction of the program and impeding efforts to effectively implement TARP.”
The report also noted that the Treasury has yet to announce whether it will require firms that receive capital injections to report on the use of the funds. Doing so, the report said, “would enable Treasury to monitor, to some extent, how the infusions were being used.”
p.s. I heard a few minutes of O’Reilly on the radio today. He is such a bombastic fool, but he was discussing the economy with Alexis Glick. He kept interrupting her, so I didn’t hear much of what she said, but he added: “I think Obama is going to govern as a Conservative, not a liberal.” Glick suggested that he was Bill Clinton II. O’Reilly countered, “No, no, no, he is going to be much more conservative than Clinton, because he has to be.” He sounded so pleased.
Love is blind Obots. They willfully ignored all the signs, just as we do when we are in love. Good luck with those rationalizations. It will be interesting to see how long they perpetuate the lie.
“No, no, no, he is going to be much more conservative than Clinton, because he has to be.”
Why does he have to be conservative when the Democrats have the majority in the senate and I think in the House too. What is Obama’s excuse?
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