McClatchy: Obama Already Acting as “Co-President”

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Barack Obama is a man in a very big hurry. For those of us who have been paying attention, this is nothing new. As soon as he won his Senate seat–if not before–Obama began planning a run for the presidency. A humbler man might have waited until he had a little experience under his belt, but Obama didn’t want to wait.

During his primary run he repeatedly claimed to have already won the nomination. No sooner had he come in first in Iowa, then his minions at the cable networks and the Cheeto blogs were calling for Hillary Clinton to step aside so he could get on with the general election. Hillary managed to slow him down a bit when she won New Hampshire and went on to do well on Super Tuesday. But even as Hillary continued to win primary after primary in traditionally Democratic states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, Obama’s campaign continued to claim that he had already won.

Well it turned out the fix was really in, and now we know that, long before either party convention, Obama and John McCain were already working together.

A senior Obama campaign official shared with The Washington Note that in July 2008, the McCain and Obama camps began to work secretly behind the scenes to assemble large rosters of potential personnel for the administration that only one of the candidates would lead.

Lists comprised of Democrats and Republicans were assembled, sorted into areas of policy expertise, so that the roster could be called on after the election by either the Obama or McCain transition teams.

Isn’t that nice and collegial? And so post-partisan! Think of all the thousands of people who could have saved the time they spent fighting for a roll call vote at the Democratic Convention! If only Obama had let us know that he and McCain were already divvying up the spoils and our votes were never going to count anyway.

And now McClatchy Newspapers reports that the President-elect is already governing as a virtual “co-president” with our actual, but lame duck chief executive George W. Bush.

President Bush and President-elect Obama have been working together in an unusual comity that Princeton University professor Julian Zelizer calls “the split-screen presidency.” The unusual transition is born of the 24-7 nature of the global economic crisis and the fact a strong president-elect is succeeding a lameduck voluntarily leaving office.

Julian Zelizer, a professor at Princeton University calls it “the split-screen presidency” Where is that in the Constitution? Oh well, never mind. It’s just a piece of paper, right?

Monday gave a vivid illustration of the comity that’s characterized the Bush-Obama minuet.

Bush had a cup of coffee in midmorning with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to discuss the government’s decision Sunday to help ailing banking giant Citigroup. Later, on the steps of the Treasury building, next door to the White House, Bush assured the nation that Washington was ready to take similar action to help other financial institutions.

His statement took only two minutes, but it included this paean to his successor: “I talked to Obama about the decision we made. I told the American people, and I told the president-elect when I first met him, that anytime we were to make a big decision during this transition, he will be informed, as will his team.”

About an hour and a half later, Obama unveiled his economic team at a Chicago news conference and mentioned that he’d spoken to Bush and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke earlier Monday.

McClatchy suggests a possible reason for Obama’s anxiety to get started:

Obama, analysts argue, needs to appear in control not only to reassure markets but also to establish his credibility. The former Illinois U.S. senator has no record of economic management and was barely known outside his home state until he ran for president.

Unfortunately, Obama’s urgent desire to get begin running the show hasn’t yet been reflected in the kind of original thinking needed to deal with the unprecedented economic crises facing the country. Economist Peter Morici of the University of Maryland told CNN that Obama needs to think “outside the box,” but the economic team he has named includes “conventional” thinkers like Lawrence Summers and Tim Geithner who were deeply involved in pushing the deregulation that led to the current banking crisis. Morici suggests that Obama might want to look outside the Northeast liberal establishment for advice.

That bastion of Northeast liberals, the New York Times, has similar complaints about Obama’s economic team.

In various high-level government positions, Timothy Geithner, Mr. Obama’s choice for Treasury secretary, and Lawrence Summers, his choice for director of the National Economic Council, each have demonstrated a capacity for good judgment and good ideas.

Both served in the Clinton Treasury Department — Mr. Summers as secretary and deputy secretary and Mr. Geithner as a top aide — where they won high marks for helping manage the fallout of that era’s crises, including the Mexican peso devaluation, the Asian financial meltdown, the Russian bond default and the collapse of the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management.

Both men, however, have played central roles in policies that helped provoke today’s financial crisis. Mr. Geithner, currently the president of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, also has helped shape the Bush administration’s erratic and often inscrutable responses to the current financial meltdown, up to and including this past weekend’s multibillion-dollar bailout of Citigroup.

William Greider of the Nation sounds surprised and disappointed too:

A year ago, when Barack Obama said it was time to turn the page, his campaign declaration seemed to promise a fresh start for Washington. I, for one, failed to foresee Obama would turn the page backward. The president-elect’s lineup for key governing positions has opted for continuity, not change. Virtually all of his leading appointments are restoring the Clinton presidency, only without Mr. Bill. In some important ways, Obama’s selections seem designed to sustain the failing policies of George W. Bush.

Similarly, the above-mentioned Peter Morici told ABC news,

“What you’re going to see in the next 48 hours is a continuity….We’re going to really learn that the Obama administration and the Bush administration are not much different when it comes to banking policy and economy policy.”

So our President-elect is in a big hurry…to get to the status quo? I’ll let our in-house economic expert, Dakinikat, tell us if that’s a good thing or not. To me it sounds like a weak response to an unprecedented financial crisis. But what do I know?

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  1. What do I know either — I always knew that a B0 WH was the real Bush 3rd term.

  2. I turned out that when PUMAs were pushing for a roll call vote they were just pissing in the wind.

  3. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

  4. You and me both Angie. I knew he was another Bush early on. Before the Iowa Primaries, I read his book, the Audacity of BS, and it sang the praised of Dubya a gazillion of times.
    Angie, have you seen Elizabeth Joyce’s new predictions?

    here is the link:

    http://www.new-visions.com/bush-vs-obama-bad-guy-good-guy-the-great-american-scam.html

  5. All those who said bush was a setup for backtrack seem to be right.
    Just think we have gone from prescott bush to george soros.

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  6. “The unusual transition is born of the 24-7 nature of the global economic crisis and the fact a strong president-elect is succeeding a lameduck voluntarily leaving office.”

    You mean Bush had a choice other than “voluntarily”? I’m glad I didn’t know. One less thing to worry about.

    BB said: “So our President-elect is in a big hurry…to get to the status quo?”

    At this rate we should be able to keep up with him.

  7. myiq:

    I avoided the PUMA movement early on for that very reason. I thought our first efforts weren’t effective. Pushing for a roll call, I think, did more harm than good because we knew that the fix was in a looonnngggg time ago.
    After the focus on that fraud of the convention was over, only then did I get involved again.
    I’m still not sure I understood my reasoning back then but something told me I was right. It turned out I was.
    I think another part of it was the fact that I had lost my faith. I’m still not sure I have it back.
    This has been a very difficult year for me, not just politically, but personally too.

  8. Purplefin:
    Bush loves Obama. He’s his second man. Obama might as well just be called Obush, for what it’s worth.
    Obama = change, or mare of the same?
    Little Isis answers: More of the same.

  9. Bush sure has been friendly to the guy hasn’t he? Did you guys know that when the news came out that Obama’s aunt was illegal and living in Boston public housing, Bush called off a big ICE bust? He didn’t want to embarrass Obama on the eve of the election. With friends like Bush, McCain doesn’t need enemies.

  10. Angie, we’ve been saying that for months. The Democratic Party just elected Bush v.3. Wish I could say I don’t like being proved right but I can’t. I’m gonna love rubbing the obots’ noses into it.

  11. littleisis, at 8:56 pm Said:

    “I think another part of it was the fact that I had lost my faith. I’m still not sure I have it back.”

    Hopefully it’s just changing to be more in tune with you and how you experience the world.

  12. Hi BB .. thanks for pulling this all together so well for us with links etc… ..

    Do you have some link for ‘bush’ calling off Ice .. for Obama…???

    I’ll go look now also …

  13. Gates is staying at Defense also. Will there be any change we can believe in?

  14. It’s almost like the McCain Campaign just allowed Sarah Palin to be humiliated on purpose. If the fix was in for this long, as I had a feeling it would be, then it’s no wonder his aids went behind his back to undermine her.
    Someone mentioned a theory to me that McCain was meant to lose to rebuild NeoConservatism back to it’s full glory of ridiculousness. So the NeoConservatives like Gingrich, (you know, the ones with the real power in the Republican Party) wanted him to lose so pampers could be another Carter or something.

  15. Brianna,

    I don’t remember where I read that, sorry. I’ll see what I can find.

  16. bostonboomer, I believe that. Obama will get a pass in every way. It’s frustrating and scary.

  17. obush – ha ha ha! I like that!

    for years my friends and I have called the exiting occupant the talibush. talibush jr was too contrived, obush is perfect (for me anyway)

    lil isis, have faith in yourself, your friends, your family. politicians? never. not even the *good* ones. I like some public servants an awful lot, but faith seems too strong a noun to apply to those feelings

  18. Slightly off topic, but dude, the Nation can kiss my fat fish-belly white ass. They screwed the pooch this year and I hope they go under.

  19. Thanks .. found a couple of sites ..

  20. I kinda wondered if they let McCain get the nomination because they knew he wouldn’t win anyway.

  21. Little Isis:

    RD thought it was a winnable battle but I didn’t agree. I thought they spent too much time and money putting in the fix to let it be decided by the delegates. But if we didn’t try we wouldn’t know who was right.

    So I STFU and hoped I was wrong. (That’s the upside of being a pessimist – when you’re wrong it’s a good thing.)

    It was a battle worth fighting though, to test our strength and numbers, and to find out what we were up against.

    That’s why I think Hillary made a deal – she saw she couldn’t win and it was make a deal for later or try to play spoiler. If she had fought we would probably be looking at a McCain administration and Hillary would be blamed for it, whether she got the nomination or not.

  22. I was over at The Nation laughing my a$$ off at the comments. What a bunch of idjits!

    I’m being called away to movie night again. Just hope the movie is better than yesterday’s. Have a good night all!

  23. Somebody made a very good catch:

    David Brooks on the incoming Obama administration
    vs
    David Brooks on the incoming George W Bush administration

    Very long sigh! Life is truly a circular exercise.

  24. kiki5:

    Like when Dole ran in 1996 – he was taking one for the team

  25. exactly myiq – the repubs don’t waste good candidates on losing years.

    makes you wonder about freaking W though….he was supposed to win???

  26. LittleIsis:

    I think McCain ran as clean and honorable a campaign as any Republican has since Ford. He didn’t want to trash his reputation in a losing effort.

    I think his pick of Palin was a big FU to the GOP establishment (and nearly won it for him)

    She is now the favorite of the GOP voters for 2012, instead of one of their establishment zombies.

    She’s a Goldwater-type conservative, not a neocon.

  27. And another thing that fits with my theory about McCain being meant to lose:
    Romney had the support of Republican elites, and when Palin was chosen as McCain’s running mate, a lot of those elites disliked her just as much as they disliked McCain. Palin said on her interview with Greta that she wished the Campaign had given her more leniency to have more media interviews and access, ect. And of course, we have this narrative about how she supposedly is a Diva or something. (though huge crowds come out to see her and she is clearly loved bu the masses) And then we have Romney’s people saying that “Romney is in charge in 2012″
    I hear all of these people saying that Sarah Palin is Truman in a skirt, but I am starting to disagree. I am starting to feel like she is Bill Clinton in a skirt.
    You remember the attitude all of those Democratic Elites about the Clintons: “Those hicks from Arkansas”.
    Well, more and more, it feels like the narrative is changing to fit Palin and her family. Now it’s “Those hillbillies from Alaska”
    It makes sense, doesn’t it? All these private investigators snooping around Wasilla, trying to figure out if Todd molested his daughters. It’s the same with the teams of investigators sent to Arkansas.
    I feel ill at the thought of what will be done to Sarah should she decide to run 2012.
    And if she wins? Makes me even more sick to think about that. Whitewater and all of those other laughable scandals will seem like child’s play.

  28. kiki%:

    G-Dub was GOP establishment – body and soul

  29. Romney will never win the GOP nomination

    The fundies won’t vote for him because he’s a Mormon.

    I was raised fundie, and they hate Mormons with a passion

  30. And now with Prop H8 Mormons are hated by both sides

  31. Myiq,

    I think it was worth fighting for the roll call. The fact that we forced them to do it showed our strength. We just didn’t start soon enough. We accomplished so much in about 4-5 months!

  32. The roll call probably enlightened some Hillary delegates as to the viciousness of the Obama faction. May have won some people to our cause.

    Does anyone think that the PUMA movement had something to do with Hillary getting the SOS position?

  33. BB:

    If the media hadn’t been completely in the tank for Obama we could have won.

    But they simply ignored the story

  34. Kiki: not faith in Politicians, I’m not that stupid. (as I said, personal reasons too) Just faith in general. I have always had faith, and strong convictions, and just a general belief in goodness and the ability of human beings to feel empathy. It is what defines me, that optimism that I had.
    This year, I feel like that optimism is gone. It was one thing that really held me together and I think, made me feel outwardly and inwardly good. Now I feel like it’s gone, and I don’t know if I can get it back. I feel like a chunk of me is missing. Like I am not the same girl that wrote that letter to DB all those months ago. I don’t know. Maybe it’s a part of growing up, but I don’t want to grow up to be an angry person.

    myiq:
    I’m glad you reached that conclusion. I am glad you guys made that fight and came out kicking and screaming but I still feel like it did more harm than good. And I only say this now because it’s safe to. The fix was in for a long time and I agree with what you say, even Hillary knew there was nothing she could do.
    I just feel like you guys (I don’t say “we” because I was refusing to be involved back then) wasted so much time and money trying to change a fixed convention when we could have been using those resources for something more productive.
    I agree with you that McCain did his best. I still admire him very much and I still believe that he did his best in a losing battle. Picking Sarah Palin probably was a huge kick in the ass to the GOP that totally let him sink. And it was probably the smartest move he ever made, because I think she has the potential to remake to GOP into a great Populist party, and I think she has the potential to squash the last remnants of neo conservatism for good, and remake the party into the Party of Lincoln again.
    She is a new type of Republican, much better than the brand that flourished in the nineties.

  35. Purplefinn:

    I’m sure trying to throw PUMA a bone by giving Hillary SoS was part of the calculations.

  36. Purplefinn and BB:

    You could be right. And everything happens for a reason. Maybe we PUMA’s were the reason she got the SOS job.

    myiq:

    that was why he lost the nomination this time. I agree, My mother is a fundie and they say all sorts of false things about Mormons.
    If Romney won’t win, then I think it’ll probably be Huckabee then. (though I still wouldn’t put anything past Romney. He is the worse type of man). He was another GOP establishment favorite. And I wouldn’t put OBush Campaign tactics past him either.

  37. I have no problem with conservatism per se, just the current batch that are running our country.

    We really need a principled conservative movement to balance liberalism. Without effective oppostion, either side goes astray.

    In law the adverarial system is designed to produce truth and justice.

    When it works the way it is supposed to, it does.

  38. lil isis, I surely wasn’t calling you stupid!

    I have had faith in a few public servants over the years – I don’t think it’s stupid to do, actually. they haven’t always let me down. sometimes it’s hard to remember that they have to make choices for lots of reasons like we all do, only theirs are really public and they get judged for them by people they’ve never met.

    I would never call you stupid or even think it…..just kind of thinking out loud about ideas like faith….

  39. littleisis:

    Huckleberry won’t get the nomination either. He’s a little too far out there. He can only pull the fundie votes but not the rest of the rank and file.

    Palin can pull both.

  40. There are only a couple politicians I’m inclined to trust very much, and both of them are named Clinton.

    But i don’t trust ANY of them completely, and Koresh willing I never will.

  41. myiq: that is what I’ve always thought too.

    kiki, I know you weren’t calling me stupid. I would have been a cranky little isis if I had. :)

    I know, I have had faith in public servants too. I have, and always will be, a Clintonista. (I should! Madam Secretary Hillary is my pantsuit Wife and Bill is my Big Dawg Candy) That will never change. And I think Sarah Palin has the potential to do great things.

  42. littleisis, never having been an optimist, I don’t know how devastating a loss like that could be. Your optimism will probably return, leavened with wisdom. Not something you can rush.

  43. Huckabee ought to thank his lucky stars he has a tv show – easier than president and pays a lot better too

  44. myiq:

    True. Of course Palin has the demographic and talented abilities to get the nomination, but you forget, so did Hillary.

    And even if Sarah gets the nomination and manages to win (and if she is running against BO, she will. She is not like Hillary in that respect. She will not be nice. Sarah Barricuda will show Obie no mercy) than who’s to say, what will stop the established privelaged few from unleashing their crooks on her, like they did to Big Dawg? Do you see what I’m saying?
    That is why I think she is so very Clintonish.

  45. Palin is a fundie and a conservative but she’s not a whack-job despite what some people claim.

    Not all conservative Christians are stupid, bigoted and/or insane

  46. ….The former Illinois U.S. senator has no record of economic management and was barely known outside his home state until he ran for president…

    Its amazing how far a worshipful media afflicted with Clinton derangement syndrome can take you.

  47. Kiki-
    who would watch that guy’s tv show anyway?

  48. I don’t think they expected it.

  49. deetee:

    something we all ready knew

  50. Lynette Long is wondering if anyone still wants to fight for women’s equality. I wonder if she would work with us?

    http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/

  51. Who knows what will happen?

  52. SOD:

    You know I don’t want to offend anyone. Those were just my thoughts at the time.
    And you’re right. People know we are here now.

  53. I hate to say this, but I’ve listened to parts of Huckabee’s show on XM radio a couple of times. He’s actually a pretty entertaining guy. I know, I can’t believe I said that.

  54. The GOP establishment will be trying hard to co-opt Palin.

    If the GOPer establishment (big money) thinks they can control her they will make her the nominee.

    They DO NOT want a real reformer.

  55. SOD:

    They were grooming Jindal for 2012-2016. If Obama looks unbeatable they will run another tackling dummy

  56. “But even as Hillary continued to win primary after primary in traditionally Democratic states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, Obama’s campaign continued to claim that he had already won.
    Well it turned out the fix was really in. . .”
    ————–
    Remember Michelle Obama muttering something about “they” keep moving the goal posts. She knew he had won after Iowa. Why put your name on a ballot in a little state like Michigan when you already racked up 24 (or was it 26) extra delegates in South Carolina – rewarded because they only moved their state up to third instead of first.

    Can you imagine the outrage if NY had moved it’s state up to third and was awarded twenty some-odd extra delegates??? Donna B. would have croaked.

  57. If the GOP establishment decides Palin won’t really try to reform anything they will have a formidible candidate.

    She’s smart, personable, telegenic and they can go after the female vote for the first time in decades.

  58. In The Tipping Point, the author made a point of saying that Peter Jennings made only slight facial motions to indicate a preference for Republican candidates. It was effective. That leads me to believe that some of the “media love” for Obama was counterproductive. That’s one of the reasons Clinton did so well. Many people besides us saw through it.

  59. “IF” is a very big IF Myiq2xu.

  60. Jmac:

    If Hillary had lost New Hampster she probably would have folded her tent.

    The early caucuses and primaries were gamed for Obama, but someone forgot to tell the voters.

  61. When Pelosi and Reid did nothing the last two years to set FISA straight, sigh, I get so tired and then depressed when I list all the crimes – the signing statements, anyway, when our party “took over” and not one darn thing was dealt with – it sure seemed BZero must feel that way to or they would not have supported him. That was a big clue.

    Someone said above that PUMA’s actions regarding demanding the roll call were for not – some how I see that if PUMA’s and The Denver Group had not screamed bloody murder – it would have been swept under the rug(the media was not gonna point it). If Hillary had not persisted til the very end, winning, growing her base – would they have used such draconian methods? It all pointed to BZero = Bu$hit, he will never own or be held accountable for the destruction of our constitution, DOJ, dishonor, torture, the outing of an active CIA agent , on and on. It was like a neon sign blinking.

    Congress is now Rethugcrats or Demicans. The D’s that put this through are not your parents standard issue D’s. {{{{{Shudder}}}} what the hell are they? What do they stand for?

  62. That’s right!

  63. Palin – and she knows how to stage a Thanksgiving video.

  64. Please release me….let me go… (or I’ll keep singing”)

  65. myiq:
    Well, we all know Palin is a reformer, just like Bill was, and that is what I am saying. That is why they don’t like her now. They know she will not give them an inch.
    So who knows? They probably will try to toss her aside for Jindal.

    purplefinn:

    People are not so stupid. Even the most unobservant folk could have guessed that media heads wanted Obama.

  66. I don’t know if boomer is still around.

  67. Boo:

    We may well have increased Hillary’s bargaining power with the push for a roll call vote.

    If she hadn’t played along it could have gotten ugly for them.

    She might not have been looking at SoS back in June when she first announced she was ending her campaign. They may have sweetened the pot later.

    The people who know for sure will never tell.

  68. I agree with you, myiq. I believed all along that the power elite of the repub party – the neocons – would not support McCain because he is a reformer and even more so after he selected Palin, another “maverick.”

    I hoped enough Pumas and independents would get them elected, seeing as we do that the only real change that can be brought to DC is through reform of the system. Sadly, the msm convinced too many people that Palin was a dumb bimbo. I’m still hearing it every day.

  69. SOD:

    They don’t fear v@ginas, they fear v@ginas they can’t control

  70. Boo Radley. I see your point.

    myiq2xu, on November 25th, 2008 at 9:53 pm Said:

    Jmac:

    If Hillary had lost New Hampster she probably would have folded her tent.

    The early caucuses and primaries were gamed for Obama, but someone forgot to tell the voters.

    Well, we all know that much.

  71. bostonboomer, at 9:47 pm Said:
    “I hate to say this, but I’ve listened to parts of Huckabee’s show on XM radio a couple of times. He’s actually a pretty entertaining guy. ”
    *****
    I heard from a lot of Hillary supporters that they “liked” Huckabee even though they didn’t agree with him. I haven’t personally experienced his charms. I’m not as brave as you.

  72. myiq — that what I said! :)

  73. Sherry:

    The GOP sure didn’t try very hard to help McCain, did they?

  74. I’ve seen Huckabee on Colbert – he comes across as warm and funny, not threatening at all.

  75. yeeessshh. you’ve got to be kidding!

  76. Back in October I was surfing the winger blogs and they were kinda pissed that their party wasn’t trying harder to win.

  77. Limbaugh and the rest of talk radio bashed the $hit out of McCain early on — that had a lot to do with the 7 million that stayed home.

  78. My bro-in-law is a fundie winger.

    He thinks McCain is a liberal

  79. So much for trying.

  80. myiq:

    as Angie would say (where did she go?)

    from your lips to god’s ears.

    SherryNC, on November 25th, 2008 at 9:57 pm Said:

    I agree with you, myiq. I believed all along that the power elite of the repub party – the neocons – would not support McCain because he is a reformer and even more so after he selected Palin, another “maverick.”

    I hoped enough Pumas and independents would get them elected, seeing as we do that the only real change that can be brought to DC is through reform of the system. Sadly, the msm convinced too many people that Palin was a dumb bimbo. I’m still hearing it every day.

    Well, now that Palin has a book deal and lots of interview offers, she has the oppurtunity to form her own narrative.

  81. Jindal is a very eloquent guy and is something of a wonk. And moreover, he is far more accomplished than Obama. Obama had it easy with McCain’s soft-spoken weak debating style but Jindal will be able to easily call out Obama’s bs. It will interesting to see if they really put him up for 2012.

  82. PUMA started late in the game and we were up against some very powerful and wealthy opposition.

    Even forcing a sham roll call vote was a hell of an accomplishment.

    We did that with virtually no money and no media support.

    We had $thousands, they has $millions.

  83. deetee:

    But Palin is sucking up all the oxygen

  84. SOD: and that is exactly why I would never have voted for Huchabee and still wouldn’t.
    And it is also why I sort of sneer at him. I guess I shouldn’t be so snotty. I will admit that he is a personable man. And I grew up with the Fundies up here in Northeast Ohio. I am very inclined to their psyc. I know who they would and wouldn’t vote for, and for what reasons.

  85. SOD,

    I didn’t say I’d vote for Huckabee. Give me a little credit!

  86. Red State thinks Gates for Sec of Defense, Clinton for SOS, and Jones for NSA means Biden will be just another pretty face:

    Do you know what this means?
    It means that Joe Biden is going to be the single most useless Vice President in the history of the Vice Presidency – which is impressive, considering the people that we’ve had populating that office. He’s going to go from being Senate Foreign Relations Chair to The Guy Waiting To See If Obama Keels Over.

  87. “We had $thousands, they had $millions.”

    Unfortunately, we, too may need millions to fix BO’s messes.

  88. Arthur Silber has a new post up!

    “Out of your trance, assholes!”

    http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/11/out-of-your-trance-assholes.html

  89. As long as we keep acting like fundie conservatives are all stupid bigots we will keep wondering why they win elections.

    “What’s the matter with Kansas?”

  90. bo acts as if he is still campaigning , but then that is all he really knows how to do …..

  91. myiq2xu – I agree.

    Palin has that star power that no one else does. Its related to that unpretentious personality of hers – when she walks on stage and give that smile and winks, she’s got the crowd eating out of her hand. She’s headed to GA to campaign for Chamblis and the local GOP is excited as hell …

  92. Jmac, it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

    (snark)

  93. myiqxu,

    I put a comment on Joseph Cannon’s new post about Obama’s white girlfriend. I wrote about that a long time ago too. I think it’s fascinating. My comment:

    “I hope it wasn’t Caroline Kennedy.”

  94. Jmac:

    Nothing could be worse than Dan Quayle.

    The called him “impeachment insurance”

  95. myiq2xu, on November 25th, 2008 at 10:13 pm Said:

    As long as we keep acting like fundie conservatives are all stupid bigots we will keep wondering why they win elections.

    “What’s the matter with Kansas?”

    I agree. That’s something I learned. I can disagree with them and not make fun of them about it, regardless of how tempting it is. (and it is SO tempting. If you saw the things I’ve witnessed in my lifetime… I have seen some scary sh*t. But it should be telling that seeing a woman fall down, twitching and salivating and speaking in tongues, doesn’t even cause me to bat an eyelash. It should give you some insight as to how I was raised.)

    I ended up being in agreement with some of these people about Bambi, though not for the same reasons.

  96. Oh crap Gates to stay on as Defense Secratary? where is the fucking outrage!

  97. myiq2xu, on November 25th, 2008 at 10:01 pm Said:

    Back in October I was surfing the winger blogs and they were kinda pissed that their party wasn’t trying harder to win.
    *************
    The RNC went through the motions but I think were hoping Obama would win. Unless there is an economic miracle, Obama and the Dems will be blamed for the coming depression. Obama = Hoover???

  98. I have started listening to the Jean Shepherd archives…we could use him now!
    I’m putting a piece featuring a few of his brilliant riffs that are just as applicable now as they were in 1969…and, in fact, sometimes prescient.

    He’s my one link to sanity at this point…

  99. Scrubs!!! You’re here!!!
    *Isis’s night gets better*

  100. Willie Nelson on the Colbert Christmas Special:

    “Stephen, right now I’m so high YOU’RE hallucinating.”

  101. This year has been the worst of my life. Thank goodness I have all of you to talk to.

  102. Scrubs, you would be happy to know that our “hawt” photo fest a few nights ago went to good use!!! Did you see all of the Hillary photos I pasted that myiq and everyone else was using for new posts?

    *glows with pride*

  103. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
    Love it!!!

  104. Palin will be in Georgia on Monday promoting Saxby. What, no McCain! No Bush. No Huck. Just the little woman.

  105. they just can’t leave her alone.

  106. Excellent, LI!!

    Those were some marvelous pictures and I’m glad our time together didn’t go to waste.

    One of the reasons I’m looking forward to Hillary as SoS is getting new pictures of her. I’m starved lately.

  107. Againg Gates father of the “continued military presence in IRAQ” is going to stay as SECDEF!

    I cannot believe these goobers picked this sorry ass piece of Sh*t to occupy the Oval office!

    Fuzzybeargville angry….

  108. SOD:

    Yeah, I did that a few times and they just gaped at me. Then I asked them to name a few of Obie’s accomplishments and their heads usually exploded.
    Too bad they didn’t know anything about him in the first place.

    But they knew all about Sarah making women buy their own rape kits (she didn’t), how she burned Harry Potter books (they hadn’t even been written yet), and how Todd molested Willow and Piper (I don’t know what crevis of their a$$es they pulled that sh*t from).

  109. Oh to have a Flat Screen TV in the bedroom.

  110. Hey Little Isis…how are you!

  111. Fuzzy – I’m hearing you mate but you are preaching to the choir! We all feel the same way.

    Frustrating, isn’t it, that we saw all this ahead of time but the bots and the media didn’t?

  112. {{sigh}}

  113. SOD – and he wants to fix football season, remember?

  114. I hadn’t heard about the Director of the Budget Office staying on. Yeeeeesh.

  115. scrubs57, on November 25th, 2008 at 10:23 pm Said:

    Excellent, LI!!

    Those were some marvelous pictures and I’m glad our time together didn’t go to waste.

    One of the reasons I’m looking forward to Hillary as SoS is getting new pictures of her. I’m starved lately.

    OH, I am so excited!!! There will be all sorts of new pictures of her in headscarves and foreign attire with lots of pretty jewelry. And of course, she’ll be decked out in all of the chanel daimonds Bill buys for her all of the time. Here is a pretty newish one:

  116. these obots at dinner say they cant wait till hillary runs in 2016 against Sarah Palin….

    I wanted to tell them Obambi is a 1 note guy and wont be re-elected in 2012

  117. Obama is trying to inject some sense of predictability in the markets right now … something that is sorely needed. That’s why he named the economics gang before he named the security gang. Some of his folks are pretty good at things, some are just political hacks.

    That’s why the stock market has settled for the moment.

  118. fuzzybeargville, on November 25th, 2008 at 10:27 pm Said:

    Hey Little Isis…how are you!

    I am okay this evening!!!

    And… ah… eeekkkccc…

    I feel… more…. Pantsuit wife pictures… cannot resist urge… to post MORE!!!

    *scratches itch*

  119. hey BB, I actually watched Huckabee’s show once. I found him likable, as long as he’s not running for any kind of office that’s gonna affect my life. he’s very warm and seems quite nice, and can be witty, in a right wing kinda way. I don’t want him to be president or even in the senate…..but I don’t hate him as a tv personality.

  120. is Hillary as SOS definite? I’ve been working all day…

  121. fuzzy-

    Forget those silly obots!!! My one friend only voted for him because she heard the rumor about “black men in bed”

    As for Hillary running in 2016, well… have you seen Elizabeth Joyce’s new predictions?

    I don’t agree with everything she says but look at what she has to say (especially the part about Hillary being in office in 2012):

    http://www.new-visions.com/bush-vs-obama-bad-guy-good-guy-the-great-american-scam.html

  122. Jmac: Biden just got sent his thx for playing note

  123. Boomer –You’re my hero! :)

  124. Kiki-

    Yup!!! I am a supporter of the SOS position for her, BTW. Here is what she will look like (I need to draw an anime version of Hillary quick like):

  125. Forget those silly obots!!! My one friend only voted for him because she heard the rumor about “black men in bed”

    And BTW: she also sings “chocolate raaiiinnnn” whenever she hears his name.

    Yes, I am not joking. She was motivated into voting for him because of this.

  126. Mmmmm, lovely new pics, LI.

    Fuzzy, how you continue to hang out with your obot friends baffles me. You’re a good man.

  127. I bet Obama is going to beat Bush with respect to the number of vacations. C’mon, the guy never had a full time job in his life till he entered the US Senate and considering his long absences and the fact that he was campaigning from day one, even that is debatable.

    He wanted the office for his vainglorious ego and the salutes. I can’t imagine him burning the midnight oil as it were, working his ass off. He’ll be delegating most of the stuff but making the pretty speeches to show he’s in charge. Some joker on MSNBC was saying the other day tthat the poor guy could not even eat his lunch (“corn beef sandwich” , didn’t ya know !!) in peace without the media shouting questions on the economy.

    The media line is going to be – leave the poor guy alone, the President needs to have vacations doesn’t he? .. why stress him out. We want him well rested to fight for a second term, don’t we ?!!

  128. SOD,

    OMG! No one has ever said that to me before. I can’t live up to it. But thanks anyway.

  129. Obama is a lot like a blind date. After all the buildup and expectations he shows up at the door wearing brown shoes with a black suit.

  130. Kiki,

    I wouldn’t go out of my way to watch him, but let’s face it, he’s a politician. He would have to be a little bit charming.

  131. well I live in a small town….and my bear friends well they are my friends…..I hope to win them over by 2012!

  132. deetee:

    well, just like bush, people will eventually stop buying into it.

    more Hillary picatures!!!:

  133. Good luck with that, Fuzzy. Are they getting disillusioned with these appointments?

  134. littleisis: that’s a great sketch! I’ve always wanted to be an anime girl! i still think of myself as faye valentine …my fave! cowboy beepbop so rox!

  135. I love her pointy finger pictures!

    Fuzzy – knowing you, you WILL win them over by 2012. Barack will also help you out with all his failures.

  136. Little Isis — thanks for the link earlier — I had to do some work preparing for leaving for NOLA tomorrow — I love Ellizabeth Joyce’s new post esp. this sentence:

    [B0 is] A sock puppet controlled by bigger sock puppets who serve an even greater and darker evil.

    I also love how she says B0 is the “good cop” following W’s “bad cop!” That hits the nail on the head.

  137. hey! I’m in moderation — what did I say?

  138. Even Isis the magick kitten meows to me:

    “That Barack Obama men is a fraud. And then, as proof, she points me to this picature of Hillary and her magickal kitten Socks”:

    And then she says, “see? Mr. Obama would have kicked Socks. But Hillary pets him. And Socks is cute too!!! I would so out with him!!!”

    The End.

  139. Obama is like New Coke….makes you wish for…”The Real Thing”

  140. I would like the press to make a New Year’s Resolution: No more political second guessing and predictions about possible candidates running in 2012 for at least one full year.

    We have just concluded an almost 2 year long primary and the guy who won as yet to be sworn in yet the press is now onto 2012 talking about Palin, Huckabee, Romney, Jindal.

    Give it a rest for 12 months please. Watching Obama slither through the next 4 years is bad enough without listening to talking heads explaining strategy and voters mindsets 4 years out!

    These presidential primaries are getting a lot like the holidays when we start celbrating Christmas commencing on Halloween. Enough already!

  141. wow, I’m exhausted. I’ve been gathering gifts for my daughter and her friends in Orlando, thinking over T-giving I’d wrap them and then ship them. tonight I found out a friend is actually driving to Orlando tomorrow and she offered to take the stuff. yay!!! that’s a wonderful thing, but I wasn’t ready.

    I am now! I just did what probably would have taken me days in about an hour (anything to save postage – lol ) I have a reputation as a horrible gift wrapper anyway – no matter how hard I try my packages always look sloppy – whatever. it’s what’s inside that counts – my gifts aren’t expensive, they’re mostly from thrift shops, but I really try to find something that will appeal. I met my daughter’s friends when I was visiting a couple of weeks ago, and sadly, many seem estranged from their families. I tried to figure out something they’d appreciate and that would make them feel appreciated.

    if we’re all good to each other, we might survive…..

    anyway, the wrapping’s done and I don’t have to ship – YAYAY!!!! could life be any better? yeah, I guess, but not right this minute :)

  142. Little Isis — for some reason my post is in moderation — I was thanking you for the link earlier — I only got to see it now because I had to do some work in prep. for leaving tomorrow.

  143. (blushing) I’m strangely drawn to Huckabee’s show.

  144. angie – please promise not to tell us again about all the food you are having for T-day. I was sooooo salivating.

  145. sorry –

    Obama is their product its vital they sell him so machiavelhim make and American Rose….

    He needs to be thrilling…make him rainbow high!

    In magical colors….to please the eye!

    He ‘s not some second rate king getting kicks with his crown…

    so dont even think you cam call him a clown!

    he needs to be rainbow high in magical colors to please the eye!

  146. I saw angie’s menu just before I fell asleep last night and I dreamed about food

  147. I can’t figure out what you said wrong, Angie.

  148. We came home tonight and four homes in our neighborhood had Christmas lights – but refreshing after the H-U-G-E blow-up turkey we passed on the way in.

  149. Katue – lol – maybe it’s Chuck Norris always popping out from stage right

  150. sorry I needed an Evita moment!

  151. Pat Johnson:

    I totally concur. I have come to appreciate The Confluence even more AFTER the election season because we have discussed many OTHER things we are interested in and things that make us truly different from other blogs.

    We’ve had Seinfeld trivia, top 2 Hitchcock movies, most overrated movies, small peepepe jokes, bad dates, humiliating dates and on and on.

    Why discuss possible 2012 candidates after the draining 2 years we’ve just had?

  152. dakinikat:

    I pride myself and my anime drawing abilities. Perhaps I will draw a few anime Clintons and post them here or on my blog later.

    For now, here is a hawt one of Bill and Hillary and Buddy:

    http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20081125/capt.64d23d8112924b74a0974fc3efe22b0c.presidential_pets_nyls536.jpg?x=400&y=311&q=85&sig=sYfK.JaySbpI8.Rt9RsWHg–

    Or is that Seamus?
    Anywho, according to magickal kitty Isis, all dogs look the same.

    Angie!!! You’re back!!! :)

    I am glad you read my link. What did you think???
    (and michelle W has nothing new up lately)

  153. fuzzy, my brother, I have to say this: that was SO gay!
    :)

  154. dakinikat:

    I pride myself and my anime drawing abilities. Perhaps I will draw a few anime Clintons and post them here or on my blog later.

    Angie!!! You’re back!!! :)

    I am glad you read my link. What did you think???
    (and michelle W has nothing new up lately)

  155. Exactly, MABlue. We need a break. I think it’s important to keep mocking Obama occasionally though.

  156. Oh yeah, the small peepee threads! Those were friggin’ funny!

  157. litleisis: it’s great!!!

    if you ever have time, you can turn me into an anime girl!!! I’d be flattered beyond belief!

  158. mmmm, I bet angie is a great cook. Isis needs more Hillary pics to get the juices flowing again:

    Isis the Magick Kitten says:
    I am so going out with socks now! Hillary is so nice to him, he must be a great Tom!

  159. katie,
    Huckabee is a guy many people could “love”. He’s got a very personable demeanor. I didn’t mind him much as governor, but on the pres. campaign trail he was pretty scary. I don’t watch his show, but I’m sure he can make even offensive stuff sound golly-gee-wonderful.

  160. dakinikat, on November 25th, 2008 at 11:02 pm Said:

    litleisis: it’s great!!!

    if you ever have time, you can turn me into an anime girl!!! I’d be flattered beyond belief!

    I have turned many a person into an anime and they have all said, “Little Isis, your Anime is top notch”

    Dakinikat, I would be honored to anime you.

  161. Obama has enough going for or against him to keep the pundits in play for the next 4 years. Second guessing what the GOP has in store 4 years hence is akin to tea leave reading.

    There are so many other newsworthy events going on that predicting the 2012 candidates makes as much sense as discussing Paris Hilton’s love life. It is bound to change in the blink of an eye and is just as boring.

  162. Pat Johnson, on November 25th, 2008 at 11:04 pm Said:

    Obama has enough going for or against him to keep the pundits in play for the next 4 years. Second guessing what the GOP has in store 4 years hence is akin to tea leave reading.

    There are so many other newsworthy events going on that predicting the 2012 candidates makes as much sense as discussing Paris Hilton’s love life. It is bound to change in the blink of an eye and is just as boring.

    Ugh. I will not be going near cable news for the next four years…

  163. littleisis: lemme know where to send some pix, and I’ll faint if you’d do me into anime!!!

    Dakinikat@aol.com

  164. “We’ve had Seinfeld trivia, top 2 Hitchcock movies, most overrated movies, small peepepe jokes, bad dates, humiliating dates and on and on.”

    I seem to have missed all of these discussions!

  165. BB:

    I totally agree. It doesn’t mean we are totally taking a hiatus from politics, au contraire. We will be watching B0 closely and mercilessly mocking his Hopium dazed worshippers.

    I love telling them “We told you so…Assholes!”

  166. We’ve also discussed Zombie movies and other horror movies.

  167. Isis, are you an anime fan? do you go to cons?

    you’re very talented, I like that picture

  168. *adds dakinikat to adress list*

    when I am done with my Clinton anime I will send it to you and you can tell me if you want me to anime you and send me a picture.

    btw, this one of Bill and Buddy was so cte, I know I’m on a pantsuit wife craze, but I just have to post this one:

  169. can you imagine if we’d only thought and talked about W for the last 8 years? we’d be stark raving mad at this point

  170. littleisis: Love that picture!

  171. kiki: And to tell you the truth, I was a little shaky to begin with.

  172. Aw, that one of Bill and Buddy is adorable, LI.

    Regency should see that one.

    DYB, I missed a few of them as well. If you can go back and find the peepee threads, it will be worth it. You’ll bust a gut.

  173. lol Pat!!

  174. kiki5, on November 25th, 2008 at 11:08 pm Said:

    Isis, are you an anime fan? do you go to cons?

    you’re very talented, I like that picture

    Lol, I didn’t draw that one, someone had it on livejournal.
    But yes, I am *sort of* an anime fan, only because it’s kind of a given because all of my friends are anime fans. (btw, I am a geek)

  175. i love that one of Hillary .. she’s just perfect!

  176. I was just thinking, I did spend an unhealthy percentage of the last 8 years obsessing……..so that obsessing about the primaries seemed like a nice affirming break.

    oh well

  177. Okay, back to check on ladies in labor! Will catch up with you all again later. (I’m on call again tonight so will likely be doing the late shift with whichever of you zombies is up tonight!)

  178. Isis, I asked because my daughter goes to a lot of anime conventions

  179. scrubs57: I should so send my daughter to you !!!! She’s doing interviews for residency right now.

  180. scrubs57, on November 25th, 2008 at 11:11 pm Said:

    Aw, that one of Bill and Buddy is adorable, LI.

    Regency should see that one.

    DYB, I missed a few of them as well. If you can go back and find the peepee threads, it will be worth it. You’ll bust a gut.

    I have been missing Regency lately. I am hoping more Big Dawg/ Hill Picatures will lure her out of the woodwork:

  181. kiki5, on November 25th, 2008 at 11:15 pm Said:

    Isis, I asked because my daughter goes to a lot of anime conventions
    :) Your daughter sounds cool.

  182. Good news! Brooke just won on “Dancing With the Stars”, beating out the AA football player and pop singer gay guy. Sometimes the best woman does win, at least in that arena. Judges consistently rated her the highest.

    Wish the same had happened for Hillary – highest scores, should win.

  183. new thread

  184. New post up. Open Thread!

  185. Do you all know that Socks, the Clinton kitty, is alive and well and living with White House secretary Betty Curry and her husband, now retired in So. MD. He’s 19 years old, and comes out for events that support pets, and animal welfare. He’s a local celeb (and probably a PUMA).

    Will see if I can figure a way to find some photos (their local paper that did a feature story this spring may not be on-line).

  186. BB; Co-Presidents indeed. One banging us over the head with a shovel while the other takes our wallets.

    This blows!

    Great post!

  187. We know that the Power Brokers want Boy Bush in 2000 and did all they could to install him into the WH. 8 years later, we see the same Power Brokers who own the MSM, major corporations, etc. do all they could to install BO. If this does not smell fishy, what does? Even if you are not into conspiracy theories and nutty concepts, a thinking person would still ask why was BO the Chosen One for these Power Brokers. What do they hope to do with him or rather, what does he want to do for them?

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