Who is this man and why is he harshing Obamalot’s Mellow?

Gerald Celente is one of those folks paid to spot trends.  He correctly predicted the stock market crash of 1987 and the fall of the Soviet Union.  You’ll start a farm and buy a rifle if you watch this video and take his predictions seriously.  He says within four years there will be widespread food riots and tax rebellions in the US.  His major message is that we are on the path to becoming the world’s biggest undeveloped nation.

He believes that this year will be the year that Americans start seeing Christmas as something less than a shopping mall buying spree because they are tapped out. Celente suggests that homemade gifts will replace electronic gadgets and that the most pressing concern by Christmas 2012 will be putting food on the table.

“We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression”.

“America’s going to go through a transition the likes of which no one is prepared for,” said Celente, noting that people’s refusal to acknowledge that America was even in a recession highlights how big a problem denial is in being ready for the true scale of the crisis.

I’d be one of those skeptics if Celente didn’t have such a successful record of predicting things.  This includes the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis, the subprime mortgage collapse and the massive devaluation of the U.S. dollar.  His prediction last November was also carried by the UPI and is amazingly spot on.   Celeste said that the year 2008 would be known as:

“The Panic of 2008,” adding that “giants (would) tumble to their deaths,” which is exactly what we have witnessed with the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and others. He also said that the dollar would eventually be devalued by as much as 90 per cent.

The consequence of what we have seen unfold this year would lead to a lowering in living standards, Celente predicted a year ago, which is also being borne out by plummeting retail sales figures.

This is what he sees in our future:

“It’s going to be very bleak. Very sad. And there is going to be a lot of homeless, the likes of which we have never seen before. Tent cities are already sprouting up around the country and we’re going to see many more.”

“We’re going to start seeing huge areas of vacant real estate and squatters living in them as well. It’s going to be a picture the likes of which Americans are not going to be used to. It’s going to come as a shock and with it, there’s going to be a lot of crime. And the crime is going to be a lot worse than it was before because in the last 1929 Depression, people’s minds weren’t wrecked on all these modern drugs – over-the-counter drugs, or crystal meth or whatever it might be. So, you have a huge underclass of very desperate people with their minds chemically blown beyond anybody’s comprehension.”

The scary deal is that this is Gerald Celente.  He is not one of those folks that makes a living reading Tarot Cards in Jackson Square.  He’s considered an expert at spotting megatrends and does so for many huge corporations including CNN.  His Trends Research Institute consults for many of the Fortune 100.  Just do a google on him and you’ll find he has an incredible reputation for getting things right.

I quit doing the shopping mall holiday thing about 5 years ago and haven’t looked back.  I also recommend it highly.  My holidays consist of hanging out with the people I love and overeating whenever possible.  Any of you switched to that kind of ho ho ho yet besides me?

The thing about his interview that I find most relevant is that he points out the number of cities and states that will be raising taxes just to sustain their current level of services.  I’ve seen minitax revolts starting down here in Louisiana already.  They evaluated our properties at the peak of the housing bubble and right before Hurricane Katrina.  There is an incredible backup of folks complaining about their valuations right now.  There is also a push by the Mayor to increase the millage.  This was something that was supposed to be unnecessary for some time because of the increase in property values.  Additionally, last year, Ubergovenor Jindahl was talking about ending the income tax because there was such a huge surplus.  He came to power thinking that pool of funds was going to be used as some huge rebate to blanket the entire state–even though its source was mostly the sale taxes coming from folks rebuilding after Katrina and was going to be very short-lived.  There is now talk that the state will have to dip into its rainy day fund for next year.  This is less than a year after Jindahl was running barefoot in the surplus.

On a side note, Penny (mother of the current financial crisis) Pritzker is the thought to be in line for Secretary of Commerce.  Interestingly enough, the crash of Superior bank was probably the canary in the mine for this current crisis.  Look for a lot of drama around this nomination.  Her investment company was also a big, big player in creating the derivatives that continue to disturb the markets. 

I just get more and more optimistic all the time.  How about you?

190 Responses

  1. Ireland’s looking better and better all the time. If we moved over now we’d take a one-third hit on our overall net-worth because of the exchange rate. But it beats losing 90% of what we have.

    What does Celente say about Europe?

  2. Going into office is a pair of people who have never gone without and really believe they are owed something.
    Look at the threats of riots in the streets if he was not selected.
    Backtrack will not have a clue on how to help this country during bad times.
    Ask the people in the apt bldgs in his district.
    I cannot think of a worse time to have a know-nothing in office.

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  3. Alegre: i only picked up on the US part … but I agree about Ireland, I’ve been looking to see if they need any economics profs

  4. shit I have said this since 2000. It’s plainly the Upper Crust’s plan ….what they forgot was they live here too….for now . Put a bow on that potato and call it Xmas!

  5. well, got my seed catalogs in the mail yesterday. Maybe I’ll buy a few chickens and some extra ammo.

  6. ANYwhere that has some decent farm land , looks good. I live where farm after farm was turned into McMansions fields for decades. Crazy

  7. i’ve actually considered buying a small farm up where i teach now, problem is my house is mostly paid for and that’s hard to beat right now

  8. Just another shot of more good news! Most of us will be happy to be able to put a good meal on the table during the holidays let alone buying gifts.

    What a mess!

  9. That is scary, really scary.

  10. I thought his comments about where to put your kids in college was interesting too …

  11. I’m sure Europe will suffer too.
    Btw my kid’s in college doing Art History, among other things in Art School…

    Future looks bright.

  12. Welcome to another Third World nation. And to think that we look to Obama to straighten it out. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!

  13. laurie: my youngest is in b school… going to push her towards accounting!

    thankfully, oldest is in training to be an ob/gyn … fortunately having babies never goes out of style

  14. dakinikat

    accounting is not a bad plan.

    There will always be two sure things-death and taxes.

  15. What is forgotten about the 30’s is there were soooo many more family farms! People could work for food.
    Try that at the 7-11. One should think about some food growing if they have any spot of ground . Potatoes don’t take much , you can even grow them in trash cans!

    http://www.ehow.com/how_2222722_grow-potatoes-garbage-can.html

  16. i hope the press vets pritzker … i’m not holding my breath, but maybe they’ve got some excess reporters around who can do their actual jobs for a change rather than just wetting themselves when obama speaks

  17. Pat Johnson,

    It’s the likes of Obama that brought us here. Bureaucratic life long politicians that have never learned how to run a business, much less start one and has never committed to one job, before casting his eye on the next position. NOW, the latter is the scary part to me.

    Who you place your hopes and dreams with no track record is often a ‘crush’, not the person you spend your life with, that one you put to the test and check out the references. Crushes are just that, but the heart ache and the pick-up after, are the real mess.

  18. I hear the NRA is recruiting new members. This might be a good time..

  19. dakinikat,

    Is it only over read people like us here that new about the on-going food riots throughout the world for close to a year now? Do you recall Bush telling everyone to grow a garden about a year ago? They knew this was coming, they knew but the like of Barney Frank and others wanted to keep the party going.

    As dumb as Bush is portrayed in the media if you listen closely he some times lets things slip out. Yup, start cutting down the debt, start looking to longer service of 30 years, not 20 before civil service folks can retire at full benefits/pensions. The private sector can’t do that, and the public sector needs to tighten the belt.

    Gotta run, but love reading your articles. You FINANCIAL rock…the ‘prof’ is in SHOW is the next thing I want to see on Blog Talk. Say, start that book too. ;-)

  20. oops that was ‘knew’…running late.

  21. My mother was raised on stories of the Great Depression and having lived with my grandparents, so was I.

    When the bottom started falling out of everything, she started filling the freezer. I told her that it wouldn’t get that bad.

    Was I wrong?

  22. problem is that if you feel the freezer, it has to run on electricity

  23. I used to have a vegetable plot. It’s not difficult just takes some dedication, and water.

    6yards by 12 yards gets you a lot of very delicious vegs.

  24. buying canned goods is an idea too. Get that can of carrots before it’s 6.00. Kim: listen to Mom ! lol!

  25. when i lived in nebraska, i used to have a huge vegetable garden and also an herb garden right next to the kitchen door …

    down here, i mostly build squares of wood and fill them up with good soil and grow a few things like peppers tomatoes and a few herbs … I’ve got avocado trees started, and a lime tree … think i may start satsumas… have a really small yard though

  26. yeah, canned goods like how the Mormans do … they always keep two years worth of canned goods around

  27. posted on previous thread:
    Well, it seems as though Rove has achieved his goal of having only one party.

  28. dakinikat, on November 20th, 2008 at 11:02 am Said:
    problem is that if you feel the freezer, it has to run on electricity

    Right, that’s why I brought up canned goods. When I said that to someone recently , they laughed and said ” Canned good! They only last 3 years! …I said ” and your point is?” Three years goods pretty good to me!

  29. paper doll: the entire katrina thing has me stocked up on canned goods … i’m suprised at how that experience of living on the edge for at least a year has changed my behavior

  30. I had posted this on the thread below.

    Here’s an interesting column on the “Team of Rivals” that Obama wants to implement.

    Looks like Obama should have been a little less shallow in his reading of history.

    But, I’ll tell you, for all his vaunted “intellect”, ’shallow’ is the word that always comes to mind when I think of he has actually written or said.

  31. I’ve been thinking about increasing the food on hand too. I’d feel better knowing that we could cut back on grocery bills if we need to, even if things weren’t completely dire.

  32. Have any of you done this? The canned goods thing? It is exhausting. I was raised on a working farm with my grandparents. My last year of college, we put up a hundred jars of tomatoes. Freezing is not so bad, but canning is a b!tch.

    I won’t even get into making sausage, curing ham, and all that.

    Looks like we may have needed Sarah Palin after all.

  33. You guys are freaking me out.

  34. dakinikat, on November 20th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Katrina is the model. They want Katrina and post Katrina taken nation wide IMO. Canned goods are great. We eat out less because there is always something to make dinner with….besides thier uses in the ends times stuff!

    dakinikat, you really should write at least a paper for those of us not in the gulf area. We need tips and a wake up call!

  35. i used to can stuff all the time in Nebraska when the kids were little … and then give them as gifts for Christmas … like i said, i had a reall big garden. i used to enjoy it … now i teach summers and do research but really enjoyed being an earth mother when the kids were little

  36. In Switzerland everyone is required to have a home bomb shelter.
    Basements are stockpiled with food, water, guns, wine, and brandy.
    Families can survive for a long time in just about any type of emergency.
    This is not being paranoid to them-this is normal.

  37. dakinikat:
    The fuller the freezer, the less electricity it uses. The frozen stuff acts as a “cold sink”. So… fill the empty spaces with old milk cartons filled with water to reduce energy consumption.

  38. Hmmmm.

    SCOTUS To Review Birth Certificate Case on December 5

    http://patriotroom.com/scotus-to-review-birth-certificate-case-on-december-5/

  39. I have stated several times on here that I’m going to buy a shotgun & learn how to use it — I’m not joking. I’ve already named her Lulu.

  40. I BUY my canned goods. I am not so fortunate as to have anything here to can. Canning one’s self is rough for sure . My point is buy the canned beef stew now before it’s 10.00 per & BTW, Dinty Moore is delicious .

  41. how are you doing, dupray?
    was wondering if you’d pop in today.
    stocking up on canned goods?

  42. paperdoll: elecricity was really iffy for about a year, at least 2 – 3 days a week I’d be without it …

    i have three hurricane lamps and lamp fluid for one
    i always keep charcoal around for the grill …
    i don’t do keep food in the freezer … i’ve switched to stocking stuff in canned goods instead
    i have one of those crank radios (yes … isn’t that weird?)
    i make sure I have plenty of water stored also, i actually use old glass perrier bottles and keep them stacked in the fridge

  43. There are so many people who get on tv by predicting magna-disasters.

    I’ve been thinking that if FDR had lived today, after he gave his “fear” speech, there would be fifty pundits on cable tv pointing out all the real things that were to be feared.

  44. angienc, on November 20th, 2008 at 11:20 am Said:
    ….— I’m not joking. I’ve already named her Lulu.

    don’t mess with Lulu! lol!

  45. oh, i bought a bike… that way i can get around without the car… gas was hard to come by as well as grocery stores

  46. thanks for the post, dakini
    i’m off to do a little shopping and will be sure to pick up a few extra things..

  47. i have a navy base on the same block as me … they have really big guns and when something happens they patrol out to about two blocks from the base … that really makes me feel secure … hunky marines with really big guns

  48. I hope and pray that he is wrong. We are in a recession and it might become severe, but if we concentrate our efforts on job creating and get our fiscal house in order, its time could be limited. John McCain had it right. Job creation! Stop sending $ 700,000,000 million overseas. Keep it here and spend it here and you make jobs. Clean coal tech. and nuclear energy, as well as solar and wind will create millions of jobs right here in the good old USA. We must find a way to keep our industries here, by either or both our tax policies and the trade policies. That must also make sure we do engage in the global market.

  49. dakinikat, on November 20th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Thank you! I’m writing this stuff down . It’s not just about generally ” end times” either My husband may be without work come Dec.8th . That can of beef strew will come in handy .

    Hillary wanted to stop the melt down so they stopped her. They wanted the ” we didn’t know ” believable so they installed POTUS ZerO. IMO

  50. AngieNC: When I was a DV advocate I received several threats from angy husbands. They decided we could take the class that police officers take without any extra cost. I learned to shoot a shotgun, a rifle, self-defense and use a 357 pistol. The shotgun is a b!tch and almost took my arm off, until I was taught to lean forwad to the point of putting all my weight forward. I became a pretty good shot.

    My grandparents always said that the necessities weren’t meat and veggies, we could grow those. The run was on things like flour, meal and sugar. My grammy always froze our flour and meal for a week, then put it in the cabinet. She learned a long time ago that it kills the eggs inside the flour and meal that I guess occur naturally. I do it now, just because I grew up with it, freezing it increases the shelf life by months.

  51. Be careful of canned food, btw. Most of them have lining that contains more BPA than those plastic water bottles.
    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/bpa-danger-from-cans.php

    (Bummed me out when I found this out since I liek the convenience of canned tomatoes)

  52. votermom, on November 20th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    oh lordy….thanks for the heads up

  53. ,i>votermom, on November 20th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    …and thank you for that site!

  54. My grammy always froze our flour and meal for a week, then put it in the cabinet. She learned a long time ago that it kills the eggs inside the flour and meal that I guess occur naturally. I do it now, just because I grew up with it, freezing it increases the shelf life by months.

    What a great tip! Thanks, Kim!

    Btw, when’s the time to start a veggie garden? Now or in spring?

  55. Thank God my house was built in 1952 and has a shelter. It’s 2008, and we’re stocking up on water and canned foods thanks to Obama.

  56. Spring-after the last freeze.

  57. But you can start your compost now, if you want to use organic fertilizer. It is also much greener than using your disposal.

  58. BTW-Zucchini is a great thing to plant. It grows like mad, one plant yields a lot and can be used in everything from soups to bread.

  59. He was right about some things but how much has he predicted that he was wrong about? …

  60. Since I do a lot of camping, much of the gear is useful when there are power outages around here. Same for possible future overall crises. Specifically, the wind up radio and lanterns, the old fashioned camp stove that runs on white gas or coleman fuel….NOT the propane cyclinder types. Just be sure you cook in the garage not the house and leave fresh air coming in to prevent CO poisoning from it and other gas burning devices.

    Also, if things look imminent, reconnect to regular phone service in case you’ve dumped it to go all cellular . Likewise, if you have a land line but have a fancy mobile phone buy a cheap old fashioned princess style phone (<$10)….the fancy ones require electricity to keep their batteries charged and ditto the cell phone.

    Hope he’s wrong, but just sayin’…..

  61. Hello everybody!

    Dakinikat, I love your posts. This one and the others.

    I can say that even if those predictions sound harsh, they ring a lot of truth. I left the city six months ago and I have never been that happy in my life. A fairly large garden that I am going to plant with fruit trees and vegetable plot. And a large basement that I am going to convert into a well stocked pantry.

    What I am saying is that I made those decisions over the last 9 months, progressively. I am part of the trend Celente is picking on. I am worry, very worry. I have been telling my friends of a coming real estate crisis since 2005 (I sold my Florida overpriced house at its pick HAHAH) and I told my family and friends about a financial crash coming back in March. Franckly I am suprised it took so long to come (but the suspicious timing of the crisis just before the elections is another subject). With my European friends, we are in total disbelief over the denial most American are still in. What we fear the most is the brutality of the wake-up call. The whole fabrick of this nation is going to be torn apart because we have a whole generation of huppies and their children who have no clue on how to leave within your means, not to speak of meager means.

    I beleive that is what Celente is refering to when he talks of violence and drugs. A whole segment of the population overwhelmed by the situation with no leader to show them the way.

    What I am amazed at it the utter absence of the concept of austerity. We as a nation are just starting to whisper the notion of moderation.

    We have another president-select whose whole brand is about dream (as opposed to reality). Nobody wants to hear about reality. The moment of truth is going to be brutal. God bless us all, God Bless America. (and I am not not that religious! :)

  62. Kim, my worry before is that if I dig out part of the yard for a vegetable plot, won’t run-off from other people’s yards leach chemicals into it?
    And I am too lazy and miserly to do any kind of above ground thing.
    Should I just risk the in-ground plot? Two of my neighbors have been doing it.

  63. T-He may have been wrong about things, I don’t know. But canning and freezing fresh veggies is much healthier and a hell of a lot greener. I am trying to look at this as not so much harbingers of doom and gloom, but as a way to become more ecofriendly.

  64. I know it sounds crazy but I was adamant about my kids becoming fluent in French in case they ever needed to go to Canada. I’ve been subtly planting McGill thoughts in my older one’s head.

  65. Kat – my hubby has been talking just like this guy for the past six months. He is a big disasterizer, so I thought he was just being overdramatic.

    Our family is already doing the “no presents” thing for Hanukkah/Christmas. When I get a job, we are going to invest in freeze-dried food. Apparently you can get a years’ supply for around $500. Also, we plan to buy farmland in the next two years so we can start growing our own food.

    Well, one side benefit of all this is, we may finally solve our obesity problem in America.

    (sorry, I joke when I’m scared)

  66. Thank, Dupray I wrote and mailed letters

  67. votermom: Even if the chemicals do leach, it is still healthier than the crap at Publix. My friend who lived in a commune in New Mexico, just built hers up about 6 inches. You don’t go real deep, unless you are doing potato hills.

    I don’t know about all the new gardening techniques, we had three hundred acres with cows, pigs, chickens and a couple of mules. (Go ahead,if there are any tr0lls out there, call me a redneck, I don’t care, because it was a wonderful life.) It taught me a lot and I really don’t worry about many things, because I know I can survive. The only thing I ever remember buying at the grocery store was corn meal, rice, flour, sugar and shortening (yes shortening or lard as it was called then.)

  68. Well, according to the Mayan calendar, we won’t need to worry about Christmas presents in ‘12 anyway, since the world comes to an end on 12/21/12.

    You know, that’s the first time I’ve seen that written that way. Wonder if it has binary meaning?

  69. People were actually a lot healthier during food rationing in WWII in the UK. I’m going to look into some of the old recipes and tips. Definitely time to plan a Victory garden. I don’t know about getting a gun though … I wouldn’t feel comfortable having one with kids in the house (and did you hear about that 8 year old k!lling his dad the other day???).

  70. A good way of training is to avoid the inside aisles at the supermarket. Stay on the periphery. That’s where you find the day to day supplies. Everything else, with may be the exception of water, which is on the inside aisles selves, you can learn to do on your own with basics in your kitchen. Very good way to loose weight and to reduce allergies too, because those inside aisles products are the big culprits loaded with chemicals, additives and junk. If you do that you’ll save a all lot of money too.

    It is a win-win situation. Better health, savings, reducing carbon foot-print.

  71. I have a rifle and I know how to use it. I have thought about a handgun, but I would probably keep it under such stringent lock and key that it would take too much time to get to it if I ever did need it.

  72. I am just chillin’ Catarina. I am an optimist with a shotgun back-up. I hardly ever need the shotgun and I don’t eat canned food. (Okay maybe Progresso soup – but that’s it)

  73. Why am I in moderation? Help!

  74. My husband’s parents have a 30 acre farm in North Central PA. I’m grateful, b/c if we lose everything, we can go live there. There are some Amish in the area, so I figure we can go and learn how to live w/o electricity from them. Maybe they’ll start giving classes on how to be self-sufficient. I love gardens. When I was little, my grandmom had a massive garden. All my aunts and older cousins and second cousins all grew veggies in that garden. Every weekend we weeded it or picked veggies, then my aunts and grandmom would can/freeze everything. We used to get crates and crates of fruit and can that. Everything went in the root cellar. I’m so glad I watched everything carefully. I may never have to use the skills, but its good to know I have them. And, I’m a vegetarian, so I don’t need any meat or a gun to hunt it down. :)

  75. Micki – When my children were small, I wanted to stay home with them, but I wanted to have some money that was mine. I was at a dinner party and a friend who was Dean of Continuing Ed remarked that he wanted to have some continuing-ed classes on some forgotten skills. I was hired and taught quilting, tatting, and needlework. It took off like wildfire and we ended up having an Appalachian Handicrafts section. It was fun, I made money and I only worked four hours.

  76. Micki, on November 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    You are indeed fortunate to have a farm in the family

    Maybe they’ll start giving classes on how to be self-sufficient.

    that and beer making would be going concerns IMO.
    My friend manages a craft storein VT. They have started darning/ canning classes …..lots of interest in that. The hand made items for sale in the store ? Not so much

  77. you can fish down here out of the river or the lake

  78. lot of the cajun folk still live off the land, i know plenty of folks down here my age that didn’t have electricity until they were really old … still amazing to me to think about that

  79. In the ’70s there was a series of books called “foxfire”
    that illustrated all this stuff. It’s good to know!

  80. We used the Farmer’s Almanac.

  81. TheRealKim, on November 20th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Seriously Kim, make DVDs of your lessons to sell . You’ll thank me if you do.

  82. Yeah, my grandmom made quits a plenty. I never had the patience. I loved making the quilt blocks on the sewing machine, though, but quilting itself, no. And I don’t like applique, either. I can see how the Amish like it as a social thing. My grandmom always went to quilting at church to gossip, etc.

  83. quilts

  84. If you plan on doing any of this stuff, my suggestion would be to invest in canning jars. Mason is the best and they are not cheap, nor are they easy to find. I still have both of my grammies canning pots. They are huge. When I moved to Charleston, everyone loved them and thought they were lobster pots, but we used them for outdoor beach roasts and frogmoor stew.

  85. My grandmom also only bought stockings that she could sew if they were torn/got a run. My grandmom could do anything. i miss her. :(

  86. Yeah, our local supermarket sells Ball Mason jars. I’m always surprised to see them/how much the cost. I got all my grandmom’s (I called her Nanny) cast iron. EVERYONE wants that but I got it. :)

  87. About getting a degree in accounting – I don’t know how it is in other parts of the country (although I assume things are about the same) but in the Chicago area many of the accounting jobs have been outsourced to India. Also, we’ve taken a real hit on manufacturing and those white collar jobs that were available in each company are no longer around. I think the only area that may see some job growth is the health care industry.

  88. OT, but interesting

    Ark. police close probe in Ark. Democrat’s slaying
    By ANDREW DeMILLO
    From Associated Press

    November 20, 2008 12:08 PM EST
    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – City and state police have closed their investigations into last summer’s shooting of Arkansas’ Democratic Party chairman without offering an explanation of why the attack occurred.

    Bill Gwatney died Aug. 13 after being shot three times by a man who had been fired from his job at a Target store that morning. Timothy Dale Johnson was chased into Grant County, where he was shot and killed after threatening officers.

    A city police report said Johnson was on an antidepressant and that the drug may have played a part in his “irrational and violent behavior.”

    Autopsy results said Gwatney died from a shot to the head. Johnson was shot six times.

    “I wish there was a conclusion, but there wasn’t,” said Lt. Terry Hastings, a spokesman for the Little Rock Police Department.

    Authorities discovered a note with a telephone number and the word “Gwatney” on it in Johnson’s home, but the report found that it was a telephone number for Gwatney Towing Company in Jacksonville, which is no longer in business.

    The FBI also reviewed the history on Johnson’s computer, and found that he visited Wikipedia, Yahoo and news sites the day before the shooting. Johnson also visited the Web site of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms that day, the report said.

    The 986-page report says police searched through electronic and paper files at Gwatney’s businesses for Johnson’s name, but that it never turned up.

    “There’s really no answer as to why he did it,” Hastings said.

    nothing to see here folks! They get to rifle though Gwatney’s papers too .

    And btw Johnson wasn’t fired, he just left his shift

  89. I actually went to quilting bees at a local store. The women would sit around and gossip. The farmland is still in our family. There is an area of about 10 miles that I used to jokingly say that I could throw a rock in any direction and it would hit a relative. (It was true.)

    My children lived in the same area for a long time and it made me very happy to see them swimming in creeks and building playhouses out of twigs in the woods. It makes me happy to know that a portion of their childhood was old fashioned.

    Believe it or not, I even know home made remedies, now that really makes me sound like a hillbilly.

  90. My grandmother and her friends shared anything extra from thier gardens. They traded. Every year she would “put up” corn, tomatos, pepers, green beans, peaches, etc…

    I don’t know if she is still doing any of that, she was mostly freezing them in zip-loc a few years ago. She lives alone and canning is the kind of work that is best done with help.

  91. No, TRK, those are great. My first lesson that I can remember: mud works on bee stings.

  92. Micki, You were lucky to score the cast iron stove! My VT friend bought a nice stove up there for not alot. Then found out it would be 2 grand to have it installed! I said hey hold on to it anyway ! It’s a freaking investment!

  93. yet another 20/20 vision person, pfft, if people didnt know what they were getting by electing That One, that would be fine, but the problem is, we who didnt vote for his ass, have to deal with his backdoor deals, and it’s gonna be a ride like no other.

  94. Aferall, where would rich people be if it werent for the poor buying their products? See, they never learn that
    lesson, never.

  95. I still cook in cast iron skillets and dutch ovens, they belonged to my grandparents. I was out yesterday picking up some Christmas gifts and saw that Cuisinart now has cast iron and it is expensive and selling like wildfire.

    Micki, tobacco works better on bee stings.

  96. The way things are going we may just be looking back and thinking that these were the good old days.

    I don’t mind skimping, I have done that most of my life but the thought of never being able to afford another Big Mac with fries is too, too depressing!

  97. I’ve grown vegetables in the past and was planning to do some this year anyway, recession or not, along with some fruit bushes/plants. The amazing thing is that you need very few plants to provide a lot of food, two tomato plants or one strawberry bush will keep you well-stocked. My neighbor has already contracted out her husband to dig any garden plots I might need and I’m definitely going to take her up on the offer. The soil in my yard is not good (I’ve discovered this from growing flowers, which I do every year) but there is always composting.

    I always have lots of canned food in the pantry. I got this habit from an ex, who grew up in a very poor and chaotic household where he never knew when, or what, he would get to eat, and as an adult was never comfortable unless there was a lot of food around. (He also knew how to shoot, skin, and cook any kind of wild beast.)

    And I have always kept water in the fridge, refilling old water bottles because buying bottled water is immensely destructive to the environment. I also have a gallon jug of water I keep for emergencies and during two extended periods when our neighborhood water lines were down I was damn glad of it.

    Other than those things I know I don’t do enough emergency preparedness. A generator should probably be next on my list, or a shotgun.

  98. My MIL was a child in London during WWII. She is going to teach me how to knit and darn over thanksgiving and we are having a family summit over survival supplies and plans.

    We’ve been discussing preparation since the election and come to find out so has everyone else. Except the obots.

    We’ve led really dreamlike privileged lives here in the U.S. Even if we had to scrape. Even though, for example, my parents were dreadfully screwed up and I often had to go rooting on my own through mostly empty cupboards for canned tuna or peanut butter as a kid, even still – I’ve never led a life of real want.

    It is beyond sobering that this may change. Most of all, I feel so apprehensive for my children.

  99. Nothing works better on a cough or sore throat than lemon, honey and whiskey.

    I saw not to long ago where they were recommending local honey for allergies. We had a spoonful of local honey every morning on fresh biscuits.

    Damn, this is making me want to go home and be that barefoot mountain girl again.

  100. we have a farmers market every saturday at the nunnery down the street … there’s also lots of crafts and things but my favorite thing is stuff like the home raised honey

  101. So now you know, I am a hillbilly, but I am not at all bitter, nor religious and my only gun is in the back of the closet.

  102. hey, i’m an okie … i can’t throw any stones

  103. MMMM. Honey. Honey is an amazing substance.

    I try to always have a full cupboard. I always figured it was because I loved the root cellar so much. I loved the rows and rows of jars and the smell and the coolness.

  104. TRM you may be getting that chance. And certainly it sounds as if it will be a much nicer life in the country than in the cities.

  105. Well, if it’s going to suck as bad as all this – I am going to the Indian buffet for lunch today, while I still can.

  106. TRK: I’m with you.

    My Grandmother was a kid during the depression and grew up in Greer (right by you). She remembers her mother sending them with baskets of bacon, extra bread and canned foods to the neighbors who were starving. She said her dad always kept a cow, pig and chickens on some land he owned. They lived in a “mill town” but had a small farm just outside of town.

  107. Palin’s Alaska might be a good prospect. At least there is moose and fish for the freezer; Perhaps I shouldn’t wait four years from now.

  108. TheRealKim, on November 20th, 2008 at 12:49 pm Said: So now you know, I am a hillbilly

    Please start your on line lessons!
    Call it ” Hillbilly Academy” if you like lol!
    or ” what grandma knew ” ….

    someone WILL be come the Martha Stewart of this movement….might as well be a PUMA! lol!

  109. I always heard that meat tenderizer works well on bee stings.

    For poison ivy, jewel weed is wonderful. The best IMO.

  110. There are not many places to work in rural areas. I never thought of the things I grew up with as being life saving skills, but you never know.

    I have always thought the older people always having food stocked was a result of the depression. My grandfather said after that, he would never allow his family to be hungry. We always had food, and Pat I love a Big Mac as much as the rest of you, but having hot biscuits with honey, fresh jams, wasn’t half bad.

  111. Lye soap works on poison ivy too. You have to make a paste and leave it on, but it pops the blisters and keeps it from spreading and itching. I order mine from a company in Texas, but my paternal grandmother made soap, butter and lard.

  112. Maybe this is what the country needs, a bit of a wake up call. Our kids have had it made. No one wants to work too hard, but they want a hell of a wage for it.

  113. Yikes.

    But these have been my thoughts, too. Partially because of Global Warming (Katrina-style) — and partially because I always wanted to plant a small orchard. I don’t think it would be that hard.

    Also to have a horse. I have always lived in the city — but it’s a small city. Out here, we do have tent cities now–mostly in Los Angeles area. As all the companies tank, these will increase — my sense is in the areas that are warmer near the coasts.

    I made jam a few times! Strawberry… and I have always grown herbs and things in pots — my yard isn’t too sunny or too large. The idea of having some land is very attractive to me right now. Maybe 10 acres. Here that would be very expensive, even now — but there are other areas in the state where it isn’t.

    I’m going to start writing about cooking from scratch — easy things–I think. Not everyone knows how? If the “s*it does hit the fan? It will be handy for people.

    But, something is really wrong. You just have that feeling that something is about to shift. There is the whole 2012 mayan deal as well…on that.

    When I was working, I never gave a second thought to saving anything. I’m not going back to corporate — so? And I’m not going to be a therapist if the world is falling, either.

    A farmer? Not a bad idea. I’ve been making a lot of pottery lately and I think I’ll just do that. Like most of us tail end boomers –we can adapt? Careerwise. We already have haven’t we?

    hugs.
    Ugh.

    who did this anyway?

    somebody is responsible for tanking it like dominoes!
    somebody.

  114. i’ve always loved the so called folk arts … never made soap before would love to try … i used to like to go to living history museums and watch them make candles and things like that

  115. TRK: biscuits are divine. My other grandmom used to order King Arthur flour from VT (before you could buy it in stores) to make her biscuits.

    Making candles is fun.

  116. Don’t forget your dried beans and pulses! Use a dehydrator to store them in moisture-proof bags (to prevent mildew and other rot). Same goes for nuts, bacon, spices and other gilds.

    Transfer salt-free tomatoes to glass masonry, tap to eliminate air pockets and top with olive oil or wax.

    My emergency rations always include lots of canned tuna and salmon, powdered milk and egg (in moisture-proof bags) and water purifiers for rainwater, as well as already-potable H2o.

    I figure that the kind of chaos being described will follow power outages, so massive freezers would be unreliable as a longterm security buffer.

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  118. Its funny that the Obot trolls are not interested in mocking our survival skills talk. Perhaps they are taking notes. Or maybe the younger Obots don’t understand the words we are using.

  119. i think hyperconsumerism has been partially to blame … no one lives within their means anymore and they haven’t had to … credit cards, second mortgages!… borrow and spend is the US paradigm from the government down to each one of us

  120. Sorry for dropping out of the thread — am loving the farming talk though!

  121. Oh man. Now I’m really freaked out. I know things are bad, but he makes it sound absolutely disastrous! *sigh* I’m almost ready to take all our money and put it under a mattress or bury it somewhere. I don’t trust ANYONE with it.

    dakinikat, can I ask your expert advice on something?

    If you had a choice of selling a property to pay off charge card debt or hold the property until it’s paid off (we owe $7000 on it still) and make the monthly CC payments, what would your advice be? The home we live in is paid off..just last month! yay! and the other property we own is rented as a write-off…it’s a condo in AZ and the renter has shown interest in buying it.

    I would feel much better selling the other property and paying off the CC debt and banking the remaining $$$$, but hubby wants to wait (for what, I don’t know…he may be waiting to see what BO does with Capital Gains).

    I BEGGED him last year before the housing bubble burst, to sell the AZ property at a much higher profit point, but he refused and now we’re going to get less for it IF we can sell it at all (men!). What would YOUR advice be? He’ll listen to you! ;)

  122. Crap. I was put in moderation for using the tr*ll word:

    Its funny that the Obot tr*lls are not interested in mocking our survival skills talk. Perhaps they are taking notes. Or maybe the younger Obots don’t understand the words we are using.

  123. i’d sell the property and pay off the credit card debt

  124. i think I got e1 out of moderation

  125. property in any of the sand states is not going to stabilize anytime soon …

  126. property taxes are only going to go up, and obama’s said the capital gains tax increase is a priority for him … right now, i’d just get out if it if you can …

    credit card debt should be eliminated and then put the rest in a bank… and just wait things out for awhile… protect your asset value

  127. Micki
    I want to hear the bots defend the big O in a few years when they’re eating cold Dinty Moore out of a can..

  128. austerity is the new black

  129. Thanks, dakinikat. I’ll tell him what you recommend and I’m also going to let him read your thread and watch the video. That should freak him out enough to do something.

  130. From RealClearpolitics:

    November 20, 2008
    The Glass Ceiling Holds Strong
    By Marie Cocco

    WASHINGTON — It is time to stop kidding ourselves. This wasn’t a breakthrough year for American women in politics. It was a brutal one.

    The glass ceiling remains firmly in place — not cracked, as Hillary Clinton insisted as she tried to claim rhetorical victory after her defeat in the Democratic nominating contest. It wasn’t even scratched with the candidacy of Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential nominee — unless you consider becoming an object of national ridicule to be a symbol of advancement. As divergent as these two women are ideologically and temperamentally, as different as are their resumes, they both banged their heads — hard — against the ceiling. Both were bruised. So was the goal of advancing women in political leadership.

    Even if President-elect Barack Obama chooses Clinton as secretary of state, no ground will be broken. Clinton would be the third woman to hold the post. And there is no longer anything extraordinary in a president naming women to his Cabinet. Franklin D. Roosevelt did it first, when he appointed Frances Perkins as labor secretary in 1933. Since then, every president but Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy has named women to the Cabinet or to Cabinet-level posts, according to the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. Bill Clinton holds the record: He appointed 16 women overall, and at one point about half of those serving in Clinton’s Cabinet were female.

    But, we are invariably told, surely there are enough women moving through the “pipeline” of lower offices so that someday, some woman from somewhere will win the presidency or the vice presidency. Well, here is how things stand: Eight women will serve as governors in 2009, the same as this year. The proportion of women serving in statewide elective office actually has dropped since it reached a high of about 28 percent in 2000; it is now about 24 percent, according to the center.

    The Senate will add one woman next year, bringing the number of female senators to 17. Ten newly elected House members are female. This means that as the class of 2008 enters the Capitol’s marble halls, it will include less than half the number of women who first won office in 1992 — the so-called “year of the woman.”

    Including incumbents and newcomers, a record number of women will be serving in Congress, but still only 17 percent of its members will be female. This is where that record places us: on a par with the legislative representation women have achieved in sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean. The United Nations, which tracks women’s global political advancement, says that at this rate, it will take women in the developing world 40 years to reach parity with men.

    How long will it take us? We already are well into the fourth decade since the contemporary women’s movement of the 1970s spawned a generation that sought to claim an equal place in the halls of power.

    Those who watched the media’s sexist hazing of both Clinton and Palin often rationalize this treatment as the result of these two candidates’ particular personalities and the legitimacy — or presumed illegitimacy — of their campaigns. But Barbara Lee, whose Boston-based family foundation has conducted extensive research of gubernatorial races involving women, routinely identifies the same undercurrents in state campaigns. Voters demand more experience of a woman candidate, and judge her competence separately from whether she is sufficiently “likable.” Male candidates typically must clear only the competence bar to be judged — as Obama indelicately put it during a primary debate — “likable enough.”

    “We heard that over and over again — that no woman is ever right,” Lee says of her focus groups. “They like the concept of it but when it comes to a real, live, breathing candidate, they don’t.”

    Lee summarizes the disparate assessment this way: “There are no female Arnold Schwarzeneggers.” That is, no woman will ever burst into politics, capture the voters’ imagination and be catapulted into high public office without a lick of experience.

    Yet American women are a majority of the population and a majority of the electorate. They earn more than half the bachelor’s and master’s degrees, a level of educational achievement far exceeding that of women in developing countries. There must be some reason we don’t do any better than women in impoverished, rural regions of the world where cultural norms oppress women.

    Maybe it is because our culture isn’t so different after all.

  131. Funny — his “trend spotting” is right in line with two prominent psychics’ predictions — Michelle Whitedove & Elizabeth Joyce re: food prices skyrocketing, stock up on canned goods, etc.

  132. This is a very interesting thread. I can see I am not the only one with these subterranean thoughts drifting to the surface.

    I live in the Bay Area, in a small house, but I love to garden and had a big garden years ago. Last year we tore out all the broken concrete in the back and replaced it with a small lawn, a stone patio, and a kitchen garden. This year we grew tomatoes, eggplant, greens, herbs, squash, cabbage, brussel sprouts, dry pinto beans, carrots, beets, onions, and peas. We planted dwarf trees: lemon, fig, apple, cherry, nectarine, plum, peach, and orange. We have grapes, blueberries, and strawberries.

    All that’s on a 50 by 100 foot lot. Our landscaper was completely unfamiliar with the concept of edible landscaping, so we learned together. Recently, she told me that many more clients are asking for vegies and fruits in their gardens. Even my friends who are thrilled about Obama are eying our garden with envy–one said wistfully, “wow, you’ve got a goldmine here, and when things get tough….” Everyone, unless totally clueless, is feeling worried I think, and consciously or not, folks are hunkering down to some degree.

    I can foods out in the yard on a propane stove, and we’re thinking about getting a freezer, too. Preparedness for emergency is a goal I want to have settled by January. It feels urgent now.

    I make soap from scratch and can recommend some good books on that for anyone interested. It’s complicated but fun.

  133. I have a book called fix it clean it and make it last the ultimate guide to making household items last forever.
    It has tips on almost everything. I will have to reread alot of the tips. It claims it is like having your grandmother right next to you giving you advice .

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  134. Catarina: I read that article. I forwarded it to all my guy friends who told me that 17 Senators was OK and to expected b/c we only got the right to vote this century. Yeah, that’s right.

    Where did your cat avatar go?

  135. I guess it was last century.

  136. Can any of the economists address what we can do about the potential devaluation of the dollar. I’ve noticed during my commute that there are now frequent ads on the radio about buying gold. That struck me as odd, but if what we’re discussing pans out, would that be a good idea?

  137. dk: You, like me, know that the problem (well part of it)in LA has been the drop in oil prices. While a boon for the consumer, it hurt the LA budget badly.

    The other part is that there was that surplus due to rebuilding and the lege cant’ stand to not spend a dollar they see.

  138. 17 senators is OK??
    Send them the 30% solution data on the wedo.org site.
    madamab had a good post here they should see.
    and kick their sorry asses too!

    The cat is my garden panther, Tony-he’s my best buddy and the love of my life ;-)
    I couldn’t quite fix the brightness of the pic.

  139. Micki, so your guy friends were admitting that men won’t vote for women? (sigh)

  140. I just read that Pritzker is turning down the Commerce appointment because if “vetting issues.”

  141. If Pritzker doesn’t want it maybe Bill Ayers is available…

  142. My main man is a fat diabetic ginger tabby named Buddy. He’s 14 and I spend as much time as I can each day fluffing and loving him. My husband, who was not a cat person before we got Buddy, is now a complete wh@re for the cat.

    The email chains I had with them post-election were verbal ass-kickings. I’m just waiting for the next wedding/get together to do it in person. :)

  143. Helen, that book title reminds me of my grandmother. She moved 5 kids from Iowa to California on a train with one basket of food that she had baked, dried, and preserved. Literally, they traveled 4 days with bread, cheese, dried meat, jam, fruit and water.

    I think of her every time I’m at the airport and see couples with one or two kids traveling with armloads of supplies/contraptions for the children.

    She had a saying that is etched in my mind: Use it up, wear it out, make it last, or do without. Some of Nana’s good words to live by.

  144. My guy friends did not “get” why I was mad about Hillary, didn’t see the sexism, and my one friend (actually ex friend) lectured me about relativism when he told me that he had to vote for BO b/c HRC voted for the war. Several expletive filled paragraphs later, I told him to piss off and haven’t talked to him since. The only guy friend who had my back was a Republican.

  145. LOL about your hubby, Micki!

    My husband is the slave of a bitchy little female cat named Fiona.
    I can only hope he takes care of me in my old age the way he takes care of her!!

    re: weddings
    you can just hold up your “I told you so” sign..

  146. Yes, Erica, and they actually used to make things that would last. Things that weren’t designed to be discarded and replaced. I still have two–TWO– of my grandmother’s wooden spoons that she got when she got married in 1937. They are the only two spoons I have not had to replace. I have all of her cast iron cookwear, which is properly seasoned and wonderful to cook with. There is a great book called Affluenza that has a bunch of stats on our use it once and discard it after society.

  147. One of the tips is to stretch butter
    1 lb of butter
    2 cups of evaporated milk
    Have butter room temp and beat to cream
    add evaportated milk slowly
    keep beating until milk is absorbed
    chill to solid.
    you have twice as much butter.
    Now I am reading the book and I am amazed at the way a few simple inexpensive things can make food last and household things last longer.
    It is a good book to have.

    Does anyone else think the uproar over Senator Clinton is to keep people from realising just how bad things might become.
    It won’t even be bread and circuses, just circuses

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  148. You go Micki. I’ll be there in spirit when you pull a can of whoopa$$ on them!

  149. Back to work for me. I’ll try to sneak on a little bit throughout the afternoon.

  150. jeebs
    is there anyone here who did not end a friendship during the election?
    it’s really sad.

  151. EricaLeigh: I’m not a gold bug… frankly under this scenario food would be your best currency for barter … not gold

  152. actually, i’m working on a paper write now on the international monetary system … I was going to try to distill some of the less technical concerns I have in a series on the blog …it’s about internation currencies, and the bretton woods agreements, etc. also floating currency exchange rates … working on it right now

  153. Catarina,

    Thanks for that article. I think I’ll send it to my brother. We were just talking about sexism and politics. I said I doubt we’ll have another female presidential candidate in the next 40 years, and he said, very casually, oh, sure we will.

    It sounded like he hadn’t picked up at all on all the sexist cr*p that went on, and he’s a very bright, very sensitive guy.

  154. here is a tip for the gardeners, especially those in the west where water is scare and expensive
    measured moisture
    take a plastic milk bottle cut off the bottom poke holes in the sides and cap.
    fill with water turn upside down and put into the ground near plants. You can put it in the back row or near larger plants to keep hidden.
    Now that I am really reading this book I am finding a lot to great ideas.

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  155. my name changed without me noticing.

  156. Erica
    I’ll surely catch hell for this, but
    Men Don’t Get It.

    Even the bright and sensitive ones. They have nothing to compare it to.
    They can sympathize, they can listen, but there seems to be a disconnect.

  157. Helen
    wordpress is fritzing out.
    my avatar changes itself sometimes.

    but I recognized you by your “Bubbas” ;-)

  158. New thread up!

  159. It wouldn’t matter what men thought or noticed if women could do a better job of sticking together.

    Collectively, even women use the sexist smears against other women they don’t like. My husband loves to point this out to me. How can sexism be so bad if women do it too?

  160. Catarina,

    Yep.

  161. Both of my grandmas canned all sorts of things – mmmm, good stuff too!

    Yes, my little kid avatar seems to be there but never shows up here anymore!?!?!?!?
    What’s that about/??

  162. catarina, on November 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pm Said:
    Erica
    I’ll surely catch hell for this, but
    Men Don’t Get It.
    Even the bright and sensitive ones. They have nothing to compare it to.
    They can sympathize, they can listen, but there seems to be a disconnect.
    *****************
    As an XY, I agree..there is the same disconnect with the concept of reproductive choice. No male can relate to the idea of forced child-birth, no matter how sensitive he is.

  163. jjmtacoma, on November 20th, 2008 at 2:26 pm Said:

    It wouldn’t matter what men thought or noticed if women could do a better job of sticking together.
    _________________________________________

    seriously, jjm-how do we make that happen?

    SHV
    When men are made to think about giving the government permission to interfere with their bodies sometimes a light goes on. But you may be right-the emotional complications of giving
    birth are not so easy to imagine.

  164. catarina: I think we have to get better at noticing ourselves doing it and calling it out when we see other women participate. It is fine not to like somebody but promoting them as evil or stupid, self serving bitches just doesn’t help any of us.

    The so-called feminist leaders were classic this election cycle, however, if they run for office I will vote for them because I am for the 30% solution. I will worry about policy once we have a commanding presence.

  165. oh, and I think we have to defend Michelle Obama and her choice to be mom in chief. It’s her choice and really she has enough “punishment” just being married to her husband.

  166. “But you may be right-the emotional complications of giving
    birth are not so easy to imagine.”
    **************
    I got a glimpse of those complications about ten years ago, from my 86 yo mother. We were watching the news and some moron made a comment about over-turning R v W. I had never seen her that mad about “politics”. Thinking about it later, I tried to imagine the emotional stress on a young, married woman with one child in the middle of the Great Depression, with poor birth control and abortion illegal and I came to the conclusion that no male could really understand.

  167. jj

    you’re a saint.

    lets hope if the “so-called feminist leaders” run for office there will be other (female) alternatives!

    I’m signing onto the selective 30% solution. There are some women I just could not vote for in good conscience. One in particular comes to mind. She lives in my town and just lost a state senate bid. She heads the local chapter of Concerned Women for America and is quite vocal about her religious beliefs.
    When she walks into a room you feel a strange chill.
    She despises other women and likes to flirt with married men.
    Seriously, she reminds me of Gollum.
    Every time someone mentions the 30% solution I think of her and realize I can’t swear to it.
    (Thank goddess a woman ran against her and won. Her voting record sucks but she is pro-choice.)

    As for MO..I don’t care what she does as long as she’s not in my face. She has shown far too much inhumanity-I feel no sisterhood. Just that weird chill again.

    I don’t think she sees herself as being punished-she seems to be enjoying herself if you ask me.
    Having her as First Lady, it’s the rest of us being punished.

  168. Dakinikat: Food as barter. Okay, now here’s hoping we’ll have water!

  169. Great ideas in this thread. It was fun reading it.

    Anyone want to move down here to Australia? I have a big place! :)

  170. Scrubs: Be there next week, just tell me where to go.

  171. This is from something Celente wrote on Sept. 15:

    Another irony is that people could thrive in these times because as the old is dying, something new is being born. If there is intelligence, integrity and dignity behind the next movement, we could move into a new Renaissance, a brighter time and not a dark one.

    HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO GET OUT OF A DEPRESSION?

    As long as it took 1929 and that was a war. And unfortunately, that’s the way authorities will start thinking. The only thing more I can say for this country is that the American people need to regain their dignity and look at their own moral base and what they are accepting as truth and lies. The only thing that will save us is enlightened leadership. I think it has to come from the individual and move up.

    And unless people change the way they are living their lives, nothing is going to change. These people, Obama, McCain, Biden and Palin aren’t my leaders. They couldn’t lead me across the street! When are the American people find their own strength and become their own leaders? Until individual people find their own greatness within, nothing is going to change.

    This makes me think of the PUMA movement.

  172. Peter Schiff (many videos on ‘Peter Schiff was right’)was on the finance channel today. The talking heads were very frustrated by him saying we have a fake economy and it’s done. He said we have to get back in to manufacturing so that we have real assets to trade with other countries. One talking head was appalled that people would actually have to ewww work and couldn’t believe this country would actually have to move, in his view, backwards.

    How the morons at the top thought it was possible that America was going to increase wealth by being investors in the cheap labor of other countries was beyond me.

  173. I can. I’m the canning lawyer! We just started this year — had a “starter” garden (tomatoes only — because that’s what’s expensive to buy), and also bought about 80 pounds of apples and peaches from local U-Picks. We ended up pretty much breaking even this year when compared to store-bought, but will do much better next year. I am so glad I got on the frugality train just before the bottom dropped out. Of the market and also my 401k and, most sadly, my kids’ college fund. Which I have been working two jobs to fill up.

  174. For you gun owners: Honest and fair warning…

    Gun Sales Will Skyrocket Again
    http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/gun-sales-will-skyrocket-again/

  175. My neighbor brought this up to me the other day. He asked what if anything, I was putting away in case of a “Food revolt.”( yeah he is a survivalist uber-christian.)

    I told him I has No money to purchase the things that one would need to tidy my family over in case of a “nightmare.” he grinned and said..” well I will share if you convert to christ!”

    I looked at him and grinned.

    That is when I asked him if he owned a gun. He said he did not believe in firearms. I grinned even wider.
    He asked why I was so cheerful. When the world was going to hell. Am I not a heathen? What do I have to look forward to he asked?

    That is when I told him that unlike him, I do own guns and I did not need to “Stock up” on goods.

    He asked why?

    With a shit eating grin, I told him since he did not own a gun, I would use mine to take all his supplies. So therefore I did not need to stock up on stuff.

    The look on his face was priceless.

    Needless to say….He has not spoken to me since…LOL

  176. Hey, this made it to WordPress’s Hawt Post, front and center, with dakinikat’s icon larger than life! Well done!

  177. Oh, I think I’ll keep doing what I’ve been doing, which is happily stick my head in the sand and pretend this all isn’t happening. In the end, all we really need is love, right? Money schmoney.

  178. Great article!

  179. One very important result from all of this will be the equalization of society. I live in Dallas where a person’s value is determined by their clothes, car and
    home rather than their true worth, which is a combination of the simple fact of being aliveand what one has to offer to the world.
    Once the devaluation of money has been accomplished we will be able to recognize others as brothers and sisters rather than as our ‘betters’ or ‘lessers’. (Is that a word?)
    Anyway, the point is this is probably the beginning of a really cool time even though it looks scary right now. PUMA up and smile whether you mean it or not!

  180. [...] crackerjack and Confluence blogger, Dakinikat, has a stark reality story on the economy that I highly recommend you go read (yes, go now, then come back). If I haven’t convinced [...]

  181. Maybe oprah will help “CHANGE” history. She seems to know just what all of us need.

  182. Hey, this made it to WordPress’s Hawt Post, front and center, with dakinikat’s icon larger than life! Well done!

  183. I’m confused. I thought “CHANGE” meant altering the present to be better. Chris Matthews, Olberman, they all explained how good things were going to get. The man for change’s words were touted as revelation, that his policies could overcome any challenge. Am I to believe this is not really true? Were Matthews and Olberman mistaken? Were we misled? Or, is this more disinformation meant to stir up the citizens against the CHANGE? Can someone sort reality from fantasy please?

  184. I for one will be stocking up now. i am prepared. i am the ultimate foodie and if this economy prevents ME from having pesto and pork fat in my risotto I WILL BE MY OWN PARTY AND SAVE THE REPUBLIC. VIVE LE CHARLIE!

    http://www.charlietueats.com

  185. Great article, in the sense of giving a heads up. I hope in this case the Celente is wrong, but my gut says no.

    I do take offense with the term “obamalot” just like I take offense with the term “camelot” in regards to the Kennedy’s. For two reasons:

    1) we’re a democratic republic, there is no royal family in America, nor should there ever be. We fought against the tyranny of a monarch in 1776

    2) Kennedy was a horrible president. Had he not been assassinated, we’d remember him for the debacle of the Bay of Pigs and bringing us the closest to Nuclear War and Mutually Assured Destruction. No president should want to be compared to JFK.

    But hey, obamalot got me to click the link and I was expecting some harsh reactionary words to Celente’s predictions, instead I found a well written article, with thoughtful comments from the readers. My faith that there are normal democrats out there has been restored!

  186. [...] Who is this man and why is he harshing Obamalot’s Mellow? Gerald Celente is one of those folks paid to spot trends.  He correctly predicted the stock market crash of 1987 and [...] [...]

  187. Oprah loves to have him on.

    Nuff said! A self-promoting kook for kooks!

  188. Dan Tynan of Computer World dismisses this, noting the broadness of Celente’s 21st century predictions with respect to videophones, lawn care, nursing homes, and voluntary simplicity.[11]

  189. Celente is a regularly appearing guest on The Oprah Winfrey Show, The Today Show, and national television news. [3]

  190. The above is from Wiki.

    Of course, that’s not all Celente has predicted. I looked at some forecasts Celente made roughly ten years ago in his book, ‘Trends 2000: How to Prepare for and Profit from the Changes of the 21st Century,’ excerpted by Psychology Today in February 1997. Here are some of the lowlights.

    Voluntary simplicity, once merely a counterculture ideal, will finally become a reality in the twenty-first century. ….Moderation, self-discipline, and spiritual growth will be the personal goals of the future, not material accumulation.

    Such a stunningly accurate description of the Bush years…. NOT. Apparently Celente missed the boom in SUV sales (at least until gas hit $4 a gallon). The good news: He’s got another 92 years for this one to come true.

    The trend to convert lawns into gardens will have a significant impact not only on the way we eat but also on how we live and feel. ….Billions of dollars formerly spent on lawn care will either be saved or re-deployed into producing fresh food.

    I was just thinking that as I waded through the succotash on my front lawn…. Just kidding. Do you know anyone who’s farming on their front lawn? Home lawn care products and services have grown (ahem) at a steady rate throughout this decade.

    Instead of being banished to nursing homes or retirement communities, large numbers of retirees… will move in with their adult children.

    The US nursing home population actually increased by about 70,000 from 2001 to 2007, according to a survey by UCSF.

    The videophone, meanwhile, will keep us in touch with faraway relatives. …long-distance communication will be more like television.

    I love this prediction. People have been making it since, what, the 1950’s? Eventually it has to come true.

    Other Celente predictions:

    * The public is going to demand that the government break up powerful corporate monopolies.
    * The return of individuality will spell an end to the multibillion-dollar fashion industry
    * Painting and sculpture will be revolutionized by the incorporation of virtual reality and computer technology
    * The macarena was only the beginning. Look for Americans to embrace Latin culture–particularly its music–on a wide scale.

    Whatever happened to Ricky Martin? I miss Living La Vida Loca.

    Here’s what Celente missed: The Internet. Blogs. Online video. Digital music. The explosion in mobile communications. Social networks. The complete upheaval in the entertainment and information industries caused by all of the above. And, oh yeah, the first African-American president of the United States. That’s the short list.

    Celente isn’t a seer. He just looks at current trends and extrapolates. That means, of course, he’s totally blind to anything that doesn’t yet show up on a data curve.

    Any fool can do this

    Source: http://blogs.computerworld.com/fox_news_obama_gloom

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