Note: I wrote this thread back at the end of June for my blog. Since we’re beginning to look at where to go from here … I thought I’d repost it here at the Confluence. Just to get you thinking …
love to all my PUMA family! I don’t know what I would’ve done with out you these last few months
kat
“If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice or representation.”
Important anniversaries are on us. This quote by the second first lady of the United States, Abigail Adams, is as fresh and pertinent as it was when she penned this in a letter to her husband in 1776.
From the birth of this country down to present day, women are the forgotten citizens. When they assert their rights, some war, some other movement, a disease, some other man or even the rights of proto-humans are placed before them and many just fall in. We take care of our gay brothers suffering from aids while the last few states fail to ratify the ERA. We support the abolition movement to free and give rights to Black Americans and votes to black men while we’re considered property way into the 1970s and cannot achieve the vote until 1920. We march. We do all the behind the scene work and organizing. Then, when we ask for the vote, for our place in governing, for our right to lead, we are told that would be expedient to larger movements. This is true of black civil rights movements, labor movements, peace movements or antiwar movements, and the founding of our nation and so ad infinitum.
We are not only approaching our annual celebration of Independence Day. We have come upon the 160th anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention. The women who met during that July suggested this addition to the Declaration of Independence and penned their own tome the Declaration of Sentiments.
It was signed by a number of women leaders including Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott. The first women’s rights conference in the United States Convention was held in Seneca Falls, New York on July 19 and 20, 1848. Few will be celebrating this historic gathering or probably even know of it. One hundred and sixty years after the convention, the equality that Elizabeth Cady Stanton demands still eludes us.
“The eloquent Frederick Douglass, a former slave and now editor of the Rochester North Star, however, swayed the gathering into agreeing to the resolution. At the closing session, Lucretia Mott won approval of a final resolve “for the overthrowing of the monopoly of the pulpit, and for the securing to woman equal participation with men in the various trades, professions and commerce.”
This is the same Frederick Douglass who later threw women under the carriage for Black male suffrage. In 1869, an amendment was proposed to Congress that guarantees “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”
Douglass told women to wait since it was easier to get the proposed amendment through congress if it guaranteed black males the right to vote, but not women. This is exactly what happened. Women had to wait.
For over two centuries, American women had few civil or political rights. Wives had to do what they were told by their husband. Until 1884, a wife was officially listed as one of her husband’s possessions. Women stayed slaves for years after the emancipation proclamation was signed.
When I was at university, I noticed this strange pattern. Every time women say it is our turn to be recognized for all this work and we deserve equal pay, equal rights, and equal respect, men change the subject and put some other movement in between us. If you look through history, many women’s rights movements have been cast aside for peace movements or labor movements and later for civil rights movements that basically favored the rights of gay men or black men.
When asked what the role of women was in the Black Panther Movement, the answer was: “The only role for women in this movement is horizontal.” This continual divide and conquer strategy has left us waiting at bus stops for buses that we are later thrown under. Much of the impetus of the women’s movement in the 70s was distilled to civil rights for gays after Stonewall and the Aids crisis. Gay bashing and Aids struck gay men hard but much of the work and nursing was done by lesbians who abandoned the fight for the ERA and protection of the sanctity of women’s individuality as the religious right’s attempts to water down Roe v. Wade increased the humanity of proto-human life while decreasing that of breathing, living women.
The odd thing is that none of these movements are bad causes. The development of a democratic nation, peace, abolition, Aids research, or suffrage for black men all have merit. The fact that these are ALL good causes is not what bothers me. The larger point to me is that these movements sprung up during active women’s rights movements and suddenly took precedence.
Senator Shirley Chisholm has always been one of my personal heroines and clearly recognized that women’s rights were not a priority for this nation. She was always quick to note that she had experienced more sexism in her life than racism. Please read what this great champion of women’s rights said as she fought for passage of the ERA.
“Mr. Speaker, House Joint Resolution 264, before us today, which provides for equality under the law for both men and women, represents one of the most clear-cut opportunities we are likely to have to declare our faith in the principles that shaped our Constitution. It provides a legal basis for attack on the most subtle, most pervasive, and most institutionalized form of prejudice that exists. Discrimination against women, solely on the basis of their sex, is so widespread that is seems to many persons normal, natural and right.
Legal expression of prejudice on the grounds of religious or political belief has become a minor problem in our society. Prejudice on the basis of race is, at least, under systematic attack. There is reason for optimism that it will start to die with the present, older generation. It is time we act to assure full equality of opportunity to those citizens who, although in a majority, suffer the restrictions that are commonly imposed on minorities, to women.”
Whenever women make progress, men step in with some other distraction and create disunity. I see this same pattern today in the Democratic Party ONE HUNDRED and SIXTY years after the Seneca Falls Convention and well over TWO HUNDRED years after Abigail Adams.
Women, please stop and think about this before you donate your time to peace movements, misc. civil rights movements, ANY kind of movement. We are the work horses of all of these movements, yet how many of these movements turn around and provide us ANYTHING but lip service? Think of the DNC, what have they done recently to stop the hemorrhage of reproductive rights? support equal pay laws? stop SEXIST attacks on women candidates? Which women in this system (yes, YOU Nancy Pelosi, yes, You Candy Crowely, yes, you Cindy Sheehan, yes, you Donna Brazille, yes YOU, Governor Sibilius, yes YOU Senator Mary Landrieu, yes you Secretary of State Rice,yes, YOU Gloria Borger, …) will willingly sell out their own sex to be acceptable to the boys and get recognition in a movement or a profession not of our own design whose rules are set up so that we ultimately fail.
Just THINK ABOUT IT when you celebrate this Fourth of July. Look at your daughters, your mothers, your grandmothers, your granddaughters, and the women around you and THINK about it. What movement did I join that stopped me from asking for basic human and democratic rights for women? Think about what happened to Hillary Clinton this primary season and ASK yourselves will you compromise YET again?
How much is that compromise worth to you?
Filed under: Gender Equity, Politics, culture | Tagged: Abigail Adams, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, ERA, feminism, Seneca Falls, Shirley Chisolm, The Suffragettes, Women's Rights






Hi Dakinikat,
I love this post! Thanks for reposting.
Dakinikat,
I have a question about your previous thread on Howard Dean. Forgive me if it has already been asked, I just got home. If Claire McCaskill leaves the Senate, and maybe John Kerry–aren’t the Dems going to be weakening their ability to get bills passed?
Gender Bias is so complicated when we sleep with the enamy!!!
Women overwhelmingly voted for Obama in the general election. And Hillary worked her ass off to get him elected after the public rape the MSM and the Obama Minions put her through. It turned my stomach to watch it!!!!
I often thought that her working so hard for him was symbolic of the battered women’s syndrome after what they did to her.
Women have to put ourselves first for a change. If we don’t, change for the better will never come to women. Everyone else will always come first.
Claire wouldn’t leave the senate …
Note how Michelle is being encouraged NOT to allow herself to be drawn into actually being B.O.’s assistant as hillary was (by taking on health care). She’s to be a “real lady” instead…
I’d hate to think of Kerry as secretary of state frankly. Hopefully, that’s just a rumor.
Some how i still can’t think that they’ll be able to keep the real Michelle in that pigeon hole for very long …
Great post dakinikat — sadly, at least 60% of the women voting seem perfectly fine with supporting for their abusers in exchange for a pat on the ass.
and personally, i will defend Michelle if they go after her …
dakinikat — of course MO will be more involved — that is the public “story” and the msm will help to make sure it is the only one we see.
personally, if they go after MO, I will consider her “tone” before I decide whether to defend her.
I think michell was horrible to Hillary and i belive in karma … she’ll soon be on the receiving end of a lot of that …but let michelle be michelle, and frankly, I’d rather her be an outspoken lawyer that I disagree with than some corsetted first lady
They just had to thrown in a dig at Hillary – MO won’t be a “co-president”
Misogyny never sleeps
dakinkat,
You’re right. When you promote sexism like Michelle did you can’t whine when it comes back to bite you. I have an allegiance only to issues.
I too would have “to think about” whether Michelle’s behavior and tone warrants support in the face of potential critics.
I think our litmus test should be support of women who support other women. Claire MacKaskill? She’s not on the list. Let’s begin a list of supportive women and non-supportive women. Party affiliation doesn’t matter.
Tsk, tsk – failure to support MO with all your heart, soul and financial ability is both r@cist and sexist.
It says so in the Great Book Of Obama
The truth is, Michelle wil,l be So protected that it’s wildly unlikely she’ll be the object of public criticism. Remember, B.O. announced that “he didn’t like” criticism of his wife (and who will dare cross The One) /!
How could Claire be DNC chair without leaving the Senate?
myiq2xu: my guess is she’ll be able to outcheney cheny, some what like nancy reagan… they just won’t be honest about it
The truth is, Michelle will be So protected that it’s wildly unlikely she’ll be the object of public criticism. Remember, B.O. announced that “he didn’t like” criticism of his wife (and who will dare cross The One) /!
bb: she’s symbolic … it’s a co chair … some one like donna brazille or steve hildebrand would actually do the work… she’d be the face of the party…
Oh, I see. I’ve never heard of that happenening. But I’ve never heard of the Office of the President Elect either. Thanks!
Dak:
If MO chaired Cabinet meetings while BO worked out in the WH gym the media would think it was a wonderful idea.
If Claire McCaskill is the face of the party, I’m going to want to slap the party’s face every time I see it. I need to go down and switch my registration to Independent.
grayslady: that’s a good idea … but i don’t think you necessarily support … like hillary did with sarah palin … all hillary did was not undermine her and she refused to make nasty personal remarks
i think you can disagree and not support without being petty and undermining
Palin charts future of interviews, governors’ shindig
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/11/10/palin-charts-future-of-interviews-governors-shindig/
Palin in a Beautiful Pink Jacket .. with Greta . tognight with Greta .. She looks so beautiful . . !
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
According to Frank Rich, the media was fawning over Sarah until the public turned against her.
What a great post, earlier today I tried to post something along this line, but got nowhere. If we look at the progress women have made in the last 50 years, it is incredible. We however can not assume that all of the battles are won. Younger women often believe that they no longer have anything in common with their foremothers.
now that the election is over, and some of the msm is cringingly admitting their biases, they will be looking to jump on and magnify anything and everything. hopefully, some of them recorded obama’s goals so they can keep track for all of us as to how effective and true to his issues he is. as far as mo goes, one should probably give her the benefit of the doubt knowing how the msm treats women and how her comments or actions will be taken out of context, edited or otherwise modified to make her look particularly suspect. i am going to take the high road as far as she is concerned and i’m sure it is far more gracious than either she or husband would be toward me.
oh crap .. msnbc gave ko four more years …
Briana: I suggest we start boycotting his shows sponsors
I’m already boycotting GE — owner of NBC — I even wrote them earlier this year to tell them. Didn’t help much.
myiq — Rich can get bent. They can keep on re-writing history, but I’m going to continue to believe my lying eyes.
myiq2xu, on November 10th, 2008 at 7:07 pm Said:
According to Frank Rich, the media was fawning over Sarah until the public turned against her.
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“Until the public turned against her.” How… neutral sounding. How about, “until the corporate media decided to savage her”?
Heh
Wasn’t the country awful with Hillary as “co president’? Geez, we should be so lucky as to relive the Clinton copresidency years.
CMI did a study on the media treatment of Sarah. It says something entirely different than what Frank Rich is attempting to sell.
Angie:
Now was work today?
Horrible or merely bad?
myiq — thanks for asking. Work was merely bad — one of the partners I work for decided I was still sick & made me go home at lunch. I took some work with me to finish from here & had a nice little nap.
From that study, found at newsbusters.org
After examining the TV news coverage of Palin from September 29 to October 12, CMI found that ABC, NBC and CBS news shows ran 69 stories about Palin. 2 stories were positive, 37 were negative and 30 were neutral. The 2 positive stories were a two-part interview with Palin’s parents on the CBS Early Show. Not one of the major network evening news programs – ABC’s World News, NBC’s Nightly News, and CBS’s Evening News – ran a single positive story about Palin.
ABC was hardest on Palin, as 60 percent of its stories on Palin were negative. NBC came in second, as 54 percent of its stories were negative. CBS also ran 54 percent negative stories, but also ran the only two positive stories (8 percent).
Angie:
You went to bed too early last night.
I missed you, you missed all the fun
myiq — I missed you too — but you were in my dreams!
I needed the rest though — I will be up to at least 11:30 — 12 tonight though (the main reason I took a nap when I came home this afternoon was to stay up with you).
Here’s the three narratives according to that same study and article
CMI found that the networks promoted three major narratives about Palin:
1. Palin is an unqualified dunce. Networks established this narrative through their decisions to re-air clips of actress Tina Fey’s impersonation of Palin and the most embarrassing clips from Palin’s interviews with CBS’ Katie Couric. Overall, 21 network stories attempted to portray Palin as out-of-her-league in her vice-presidential bid. Eleven clips of Fey’s impersonation were replayed over the course of two weeks, and 14 clips of the Couric interviews were re-aired.
2. Conservatives are rejecting Palin. Nine stories emphasized attacks levied at Palin by conservative columnists. However, the networks failed to mention the support Palin has by popular conservative pundits Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin.
3. Palin is McCain’s attack dog. Fourteen network segments demonized Palin for criticizing Barack Obama. No story analyzed in the study featured parts of her speeches that did not focus on the Obama-Biden campaign
Frank Rich gets coal for Christmas.
Honora- I not only agree but I’ve noticed the younger women seemingly believe everything is fine – we don’t know what we are talking about when we discuss the need to hold onto what we gained back in the 60’s and 70’s – when I think of the cr*p I went through with those guys to move us forward and watch it go down the tubes because everyting is fine
Aughhhhhhh –
And then after working 3-5 years they realize that maybe, just maybe we knew what we were talking about.
I am proud to say that the day after Hill relinquished her candidacy I registered as an independent and like being pandered to.
But honestly want to see us do something with this great group of smart folks we’ve gathered that will strengthen this nation.
OT – but something that cheers me up.
Not only did Bill Clinton take more electoral votes than Obama, the 1996 campaign #s are:
Clinton 47,402,357 to Dole’s 39,198,755
Or 49.2 percent to 40.71 percent – a LARGER percentage than Obama beat McCain
According to Pew Research guess what took a backseat to media narrative?
cwaltz, interesting study. Thanks.
cwaltz, facts?
Indeed, campaign storylines revolving around Palin accounted for 50% of the campaign newshole last week. She was the focal point of the four biggest media narratives — scrutiny of her public record (14% of the newshole), the ABC interview (10%), the “lipstick on a pig” flap (10%) and general reaction to her nomination (9%). In addition, the week’s No. 8 storyline was her impact on women voters, at 3% of the newshole.
The total for the combined Palin storylines was similar to the previous week, when she accounted for 45% of the narrative. But there was a change in the kind of media scrutiny she faced last week. The week before, coverage of Palin’s personal and family life outstripped the vetting of her record in public office (10% to 6%). Last week, her record — from her stance on the “Bridge to Nowhere” to her acceptance of traveling expenses — accounted for 14% of the campaign newshole. Coverage of her personal life accounted for 2%.
Meanwhile, discussion of issues took a back seat in the media narrative. Policy differences between the candidates accounted for only 10% of the campaign newshole. Although issues got more media attention earlier this summer, coverage has receded recently as the politics has heated up. The top subjects last week were the economy at 4% and the Iraq war and terrorism both at 2%.
Thats a portion from Pew Research.
If you answered “issues” give yourself a pat on the back for paying attention and I apologize on behalf of the dolts that insist we play cult of personality with the media and gave us “The One” as a result(I like you Armando but I’m looking at you).
Sigh
I wish spammy would let me link things.
It’s a study from a conservative think t0ank but it meshes with Pew as well, who talks about “media narrative.”
Translation: Frank Rich is full of caca.
I’m having trouble getting a definition of “newshole.”
Dakinikat .. I stopped watching all of them in Jan… right after super tuesday… BUT .. I understand about the boycotting their sponsors .. I think I am just at a place where it is saying .. ” it won’t count” … I remember all the stuff we wrote , phone calls protesting etc.. And I even remember ‘way back’ in what I thought were ‘normal’ days in that ‘orange’ place .. where we would all get together & ‘boycott’ .. I seem to remember that ‘one’ was successful against A. coulter …
I think we were successful at ‘the jerks’ place when they called Chelsea a bad name ….. Once again .. the point you are telling me is this .. …
We must do this as a block .. the sponsors must be informed we are doing it .. & of course the follow through .. would this be with pumapak .. or ..??
I don’t like Armando — his whole BS that BO was “more electable” than Hillary & that BO was a “shoo in” turned out to be just that — bs used to hide his own misogyny. Sure, BO won, but that was only due to the economic debacle (plus a good heaping helping of voter fraud). Not exactly “more electable” OR a “shoo in.”
Armando can also F*ck Off.
Newshole- I’d say that could be a pretty apt description of the media(as in empty).
Substitute @ss for news and you get a pretty apt description of revisionist Frank Rich.
Going with OBAMA because the media favored him was lazy. I expected better of Armando.
Joe Klein from Time muses on The One and Lieberrat:
According to Sam Stein over at Huffington Post, Barack Obama wants Joe Lieberman to remain part of the Democratic Party. The actual details are slim, but Stein has the elements of a possible compromise–Lieberman remains chair of Homeland Security, but relinquishes his seniority on two other committees. I’d love to see Lieberman gone from Armed Services, where his attempts to draw General David Petraeus and other witnesses into partisan political statements have been truly obnoxious. But don’t get me started.
The President-elect apparently wants to send conciliatory signals. Good for him. Good for us, too.
Good grief.
Angienc: Sure, BO won, but that was only due to the economic debacle (plus a good heaping helping of voter fraud).
Not to mention the $600,000,000 he spent to finally close the deal – how embarassing
I don’t think Armando is a misogynist. He actually did try to cut down on PDS on TalkLeft as well as went after misogyny during the Clinton primary. My biggest problem with hiim is that he let his decision be governed by a bunch of media talking heads ,by his own admission.
Obama may have to rule from the middle, he may need joe more than harry reid does
This is informative .. our health care issue ..
“Stark favors growing deficit to tackle healthcare
Posted: 11/10/08 05:06 PM [ET]
A key House lawmaker said Monday that he favors waiving fiscal rules to deal with two controversial healthcare issues. The move would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.
During a press conference, Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) said passing healthcare reform and averting a massive cut in Medicare doctor payments cannot realistically be done unless Congress waives its so-called pay-as-you-go rules (PAYGO).
snip
Stark provided the media with a summary of his universal healthcare bill, the AmeriCare Health Care Act (H.R. 1841). The measure, which has 32 cosponsors, is different than Obama’s plan but would build upon aspects of the existing employer-based model — as does the president-elect’s.
Yet, Stark’s bill calls for universal coverage through the expansion of Medicare. Obama’s plan has been criticized by some liberals for not having a larger government role and for not covering all Americans.
more here …
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/stark-favors-growing-deficit-to-tackle-healthcare-2008-11-10.html
Harry’s in the middle too. The majority of the Dem party is slightly to the right of middle. That’s the problem.
We have paygo?
Praytell then what have we given up to pass these massive bailouts?
Jmac.. That cheers me up also .. !!!! .. thank YOU .
“Not only did Bill Clinton take more electoral votes than Obama, the 1996 campaign #s are:
Clinton 47,402,357 to Dole’s 39,198,755
Or 49.2 percent to 40.71 percent – a LARGER percentage than Obama beat McCain” from Jmac
C.waltz .. they discussed that .. that is actually Stark’s case .. he layed that out clearly …
“Asked how Congress will pay for comprehensive healthcare reform in the 111th Congress, Stark noted that lawmakers waived PAYGO for the Wall Street bailout and didn’t offset costs for the war in Iraq. He claimed that lawmakers shouldn’t have to abide by PAYGO to pass healthcare reform, questioning why offsets are necessary to address the nation’s uninsured problem.”
cwaltz — we are going to have to agree to disagree — yes, the “media darling status” did influence his choice, I’m sure, and yes, BTD is smarter then the run-of-the-mill misogynists who were letting their sexism run wild. But his rapid argument that BO was “more electable” then Hillary, despite all of Hillary’s wins & her 18 million votes was based on more then BO’s “status” — it was based on the fact that BO has a penis. It is the only rationale to explain it.
We’ll agree to disagree then ang.
Briana
Cue the clown cars. Has Pelosi gotten her red rubber nose and her floppy shoes on yet?
I agree, Ang
Oh and for the record, I can find articles by NPR and various other organization to support my position that Frank Rich is a know nothing putz.
Hmmm, Cwaltz, I don’t believe anyone ever argued that he wasn’t a Putz
I say put Claire as the DNC Chair, I think she might do a bad job.
I wonder what Shirley would have said if she were around today.
Good grief, Ana – Shirley strictly followed structure – she’d be verrrry upset, I’m thinking and would give those guys a piece of her mind!
Dakini!!!
So sorry I haven’t been around – I had work tofay & catching up with family stuff.
What an incredible post – thank you so somuch for sharing.
Shirley Chislom – I think – would be disgusted with what’s going on today. Women are truly the backbone of everything, yet we never get to chew on the benefits of our hard labor.
Ok, be back later.
Armando did try to stifle TL’s hysterical PDS (and I use the word ‘hysterical’ intentionally) but he started attacking PUMAs almost as hysterically as Jeralyn was attacking Palin. In one of the earliest posts of his I ever read he said that anyone who supported Clinton but who wouldn’t support Obama was beneath contempt and that he hated them.
Still, I wouldn’t say he was a misogynist, at least not in the BO mold. He’s just a bully. The upside, though, is that he is one of the few people who called Obama out on his bullsh*t consistently. I haven’t been over to TL in ages but I’d be surprised if he’s cheerleading the Rahm pick.
Claire will sell women candidates down the river for male approval. She would be awful as the DNC chair!!!! Worse than Howard Dean.
Joanelle,
I mean, I wonder what would Shirley have said about the sexism that Senator Clinton endured during the primaries, as she ran against a bi-racial man.
Clinton could have used someone like her in her conner.
Claire at the DNC? Well, that would probably equal what Elizabeth Dole did for the RNC. ie hurt more than help.
Obama begging Lieberman to come back. I’ve got to say that I love that one! It seems things are looking better by the day!
I happened to glance over at TalkLeft the other day and saw that Armando suggesting the Hillary should be the spokesperson in the senate for healthcare. It was at that moment that I realized…Armando is a naive tool.
BTD seems bipolar sometimes, but Jeralyn was kinda normal if not boring until Palin was nominated then she just went berserk like a rabid chihuahua.
Yes, indeed, Ana – they all turned their backs on Hillary – and shame on them. I beleive Shirley would have taken them to task and been a strong Hill supporter – I do believe in the Law of Reciprocity – what goes around comes around.
Ga6th: I suspect that Obama realizes that his hold on the senate is tenuous — he gets 2 years, MAYBE 4 if he keeps Lieberman.
People may not criticize He who is historic, but they’ll be darned happy to make sure his power is lessened. The senate power is going away soon.
And BTW, anybody a little scared of having yet another president that everyone is afraid to criticize (the first was Bush after 9/11)
I’ve lost a lot of friends to Palin Derangement system. One of my best friends from back in the trenches during the fight for the era sent me this horrible list of things that ended with you might possibly be a racist … she sent it to me twice so I finally had to respond but basically said if it was supposed to get me to like obama/biden by smearing mccain/palin with moralistic tropes, it didn’t work
Oooo – a rabid chihuahua -now there’s a picture
Myiq you have such a way with words!
Angie,
BO had a penis and he was black. That is why he was elected. Our first black president is unqualified and got in on affirmative action. Russia is getting ready to put a foot in our ass.
Ahhh, Afrocity, you too have such a way with words!
sorry, Joanelle. Someone had to say it.
Well, BTD can kiss my ass as far as I’m concerned. One time he told me, and I quote, that I was “f*cking idiot” because I said that I didn’t think Clark should have said that “getting shot down from a plane doesn’t qualify you to be president.” He ignored the fact that I was talking about the SOUND BITE itself being “bad” and not that the idea that being in the service by itself qualifies you to be president. He actually tried to tell me it was the reporter’s fault for asking the question (when , in fact, the reporter did NOT ask “Does getting shot down from a plan qualify you to be president?”).
And, actually, kissing my ass is a reward that few men earn — so I take it back — BTD can f*ck off.
i’m ready to give afrocity her own radio show… i’m convince she could win any time slot
Going to get some take out. brb
Ga6th – Well that’s what I want, I want the DNC to fall apart, with ther Messiah at the helm.
Yes, indeedy – and you’re right!
The informally well-educated Abigail Adams suffered a great deal for her family and her country, managing the family farm and the children alone, while often advising her husband John regarding politics and heeding his call to travel to meet him in Washington and abroad when he was lonely for her.
Still, she could not persuade him to listen to her on the issue of women’s equality. The Adams’s also opposed slavery for black members of our society and made some inroads but did not achieve what they really sought because Andrew Jackson’s presidency retained slavery. One of them, John or Quincy (I forget which) predicted civil war decades before it happened. Yet, before that women did help with the abolition movement, as we know, in memorable ways.
Whenever women themselves sought any liberty not deemed proper, they were ridiculed in what I call a giggling sort of way. (I have a little collection of giggle stories.) Yet, women have persisted through firestorms to get even the rights we do have today.
Nevertheless, it is sad that we must continue to fight and worse that there are few others standing up for us in our present need when we have stood up for many –as you say, Dakinikat. We therefore must be the ones to finally say it has to be done! We will no longer stand for the kind of hateful treatment we have received during this presidential campaign. American women, sometimes alone without husbands, got in covered wagons and took large families westward to find a homestead. They built farms and ranches and communities. We are strong. We can do this for ourselves and for Abigail!
I second Joenelle afrocity — you always no exactly how to sum it up. LMAO
afrocity:
One by one, all the fauxgressive justifications for supporting Obama/Hillary hatin’ are being eliminated.
But they’ll never take away his skin color or his penis!
Whaa! I tried to post on the other thread – stealing madamab’s “v*aginal Americans” and the word press moderator stopped it…
Also, I heard Dean is retiring to spend more time with his family…I wonder if he’ll get cable now….
I love it when Angie talks dirty
I wonder how much Clinton spent to get more EVs with an hostile media compared to B0…I’ll risk saying way less as the preceding spending record was held by incumbent W with 200 million in 2004
myiq — I know you do, you dirty boy.
Angie:
I heard this line and thought of you: “Horny as a funeral in New Orleans”
Angie:
Didja go back and read what you missed?
If you do, no dices nada por favor.
myiq2xu: where EVER did you get that from?
From Bud Bundy – “Married With Children”
okay, now i understand
I did go back and see some of what I missed, and I will not say anything — but did I say something to make you worried that I would? Because your warning is making me think I’m not supposed to say anything about someone/thing else.
Angie:
GMTA
that last post was for myiq
myiq — I read that line about the funeral — very funny.
myiq2xu loved your tr0ll guide!
Angie:
Didja like my tro!! post?
myiq — btw — how are your cats?
My personal favorite in that post was the “Everlasting Blogstalker”
LOVED you tr0ll post — your wit is what keeps me hanging on your ever word, mon amour.
I was kind of partial to the sockpuppets, myself.
The first one is better enough to be annoying, but the second one isn’t any better. She just sleeps, won’t eat or go outside.
I was innocently on my way home and as I was walking by the local wine a cheese shop a bottle of pinot noir called out to me and now I am full as a tick!
How old is she? It could be age — I find as mine get older they do a lot more sleeping & are less inclined to go out — they just want to stay in & sleep.
Christin@ is my everlasting blog stalker!
poor fuzzy — seduced by a bottle of pinot noir against your will!! LOL
I still don’t know this Christin@ y’all speak of & I don’t want to know.
Fuzzy:
You’ll love my “Drunken rant open thread” next weekend
(6 drink minimum)
She’s about 8 years old, but she’s sick – this started last night.
the sockpuppets are like the 2 headed piersons puppetiers from Larry nivens tales form known space
Apropos of nothing, I have a lot of friends in Los Angeles & go quite often — I’ll probably be going for a visit after the holidays.
Fuzzy:
IIRC only two have names – Nessus and The Hindmost
angie-
she runs the blog Yes to Democracy….she is evil and he hangs with Tommy Chri$topher
8 years is too young — my cat is 14 & he just started the “sleeping all the time” thing.
fuzzy — Tommy Chri$topher — TChris the Obot at TL? blech.
there is a new book out “fllet of worlds” its about Nessus’ home world
yes I guess so never been to TL
Fuzzy:
Evil requires gravitas – she is a flea that thinks she owns the dog.
Fleet of Worlds sorry
I see your point Myiq2xu
I see your point Myiq2xu-
flea with delusions of grandure
TChis and Tommy Boy are different people
Tommy is tick that thinks he, and not the flea, is the true master of the dog.
TChis is a newbie lawyer/blogger who tries to be hip, sophisticated and snarky.
He’s 0-3
I think TChris is Jeralyn’s spawn
is buzzed blogging the same as drunk blogging?
Tommy claims to be a reporter with credentials
YTD thinks it it the nemesis of PUMA
If you read the comment threads there are maybe 10 names total and each thread gets about 7-8 comments.
And they average 1 thread a day.
They hate RD, Murphy, Gary, Texas Darlin and moi
myiq-I see your point Tommy is a parasite
they really do hate you Myiq they told me so when I hung out there for a weekend in June pretending to be a Hillary Tr0ll-if such a thing exsists
Fuzzy:
One leads to the other
But drunken rant blogging requires lots of alcohol, pent-up emotions and profanity
angie I loved the pinot it was good but that layer cake malbec from last night “the bomb”
I visit YTD about once a week when I’m bored and want a laugh
well I keep a bottle of Skyy vodka around here for emergencies
really I bet alot of our tr0lls are from there please Myiq if tommy and christin@ start trolling here Let me know I will not feed them but I would love to know they are around…
Christin@ lives in Gainsville Fl like me!
oops myiq used a form of the word tr0ll but the context was fishing could you pls release my comment
I need to go work on a post
thanks myiq….
fuzzy — are you here?
I will be alone here!
Fuzzy:
I figure we always have lurkers watching us.
That’s why I blog naked
I’m here fuzzy!!
yes I wwondered where you went angie
WE don’t need myiq — besides, I threw myself at him up thread & he ignored me.
I am back
New thread up!
Dump that clown Angie
I never ignore Angie!
myiq-
most of them probably get off on that tommy I bet is a real perv I can tell by his writing I would not let any of my young children play in a park I saw him hanging out in….
hi afrocity!
fuzzy — my DSL is acting up, so sometimes I have to go & restart.
myiq — yes you do!!
to the new thread
I’m going to the new thread too.
afrocity, come up there!
Never!
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