My Voting Strategy – Democracy

Following the My Voting Strategy Series, here is my own:

E. B. White: Democracy is itself, a religious faith. For some it comes close to being the only formal religion they have.

George Orwell: In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

George Washington: As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.

Jesse Jackson: In politics, an organized minority is a political majority.

John Bright: Demand the ballot as the undeniable right of every man who is called to the poll, and take special care that the old constitutional rule and principle, by which majorities alone shall decide in Parliamentary elections, shall not be violated.

John F. Kennedy: We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.

John Gardner: The citizen can bring our political and governmental institutions back to life, make them responsive and accountable, and keep them honest. No one else can.

John Quincy Adams: Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.

Lyndon B. Johnson:We preach the virtues of democracy abroad. We must practice its duties here at home. Voting is the first duty of democracy.

Mohandas K. Gandhi: When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, ALWAYS.

Molly Ivins: The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion.

Robert M. Hutchins:The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.

There is no way I can stand by a candidate and a party (which I have been a lifelong member of) who 8 years ago this very month accused Republicans of subverting Democracy – and yet without thinking of the voters of Michigan and Florida, turned a blind eye on voting irregularities and caucus voter fraud all for the sake of “party unity.” The Democratic Party leaders selected and not ELECTED a candidate who benefited immensely from voter fraud and sexism, ignored the popular vote and ran a sham convention in Denver by casting our votes in a manner that did not fairly reflect our intent.

But this November 4th, I will vote for John McCain only as a means to defeat Barack Obama in my swing state of Florida.  Had the polls favored John McCain more in my state, I’d probably vote for Cynthia McKinney.  Yet I did find one issue that made me cement my decision:  John McCain is the co-author (together with Ted Kennedy) of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill which humanely and productively handles the immigration crisis in the United States.  So my vote is without a doubt a protest vote, but it’s also mixed with an issue I support greatly.

If you live in a battleground swing state but feel resistance to voting for a Republican, find a PUMA friend in a deep Red or a deep Blue state.  DakiniKat and I made a voting pact – she lives in Louisiana which is a deep Red state polling favorably for McCain.  She’ll cast my intent for McKinney and I’ll cast a PUMA vote here in Florida for McCain.  On November 5th, 2008, it’s business as usual.  I will actively pursue to rebuild the Democratic Party and fight for party leadership that will uphold and defend our Democratic and Liberal principles with ferocity and conviction – and not be led by DINOs like Barack Obama, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, among others, who do not understand nor care for the Democratic Party base nor for the Democratic principle that one person = one vote.

I urge you to vote your conscience.  We are not cutting off our nose to spite our face. We are defending the fundamental right which makes this country a Democracy.

A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither Thomas Jefferson

And with that, I do declare Party Unity My Ass – and let freedom ring from sea to shining sea.

¡Que viva los PUMAs!

UPDATE:  Since DakiniKat posted her “My Voting Strategy: A Better Tomorrow” , I asked her to cancel our voting pact because I truly feel she should cast her vote as she intends to, rather than her casting mine.   Thank you to all & PUMAtize your vote!

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  1. Just for you Sm77 iwll play Ben Franklins Blues by Frog Holler !

    http://audio.cygnusradio.com:8000/cyg1_hi.m3u

    love and hUGS
    Swannie

  2. This VIDEO OF OBAMA saying that he will make the coal industry will go Bankrupt. IT WAS JUST UNCOVERED THIS MORNING.

    Get the word out. This is important for CO,PA, OH, IN, Virginia to see

  3. Thank you Swanspirit!

    Afrocity – I’ll see the video in a minute. I’m on the phone right now.

  4. Great minds think alike. I just posted my voting strategy as democracy with a little d downstairs. To restate, I noted that a junta of ACORN, the RBC, the DNC bosses, and the Super Delegates are on the verge of a coup. As a nation, we have had good presidents, bad presidents and presidents in the middle. While their actions have consequences, they have not so far threatened our very democracy. As patriots we have a duty to protect our American democracy and defeat Obama. PUMAcrats to the rescue.

  5. No more donations or support to PBS.

    I just finished watching what was IMHO a biased partisan report about the candidates and their position towards women’s rights. It’s an Obama endorsement directed at women.

    It begins with a discussion about hMcCains staff including many more women and paying their women better than the Obama campaign and ends with Geraldine Ferrarros endorsement of Obama. It paints McCain in a negative light including out of context one statement which he made regarding the need for increase of education for women. It does not include any of his other important statements. It also discusses Obama’s words, but does not make a single reference to the misogyny of his campaign.

    The interviewer asks Ferraro about the Hillary voters and she says that like her they will vote Obama. No McCain rep gets equal time.

    Since when are deeds and actions less important than words?? Either way – McCain’s deeds which include more women, pay them better, and include a signed-to promise Obama has not made? Obama’s deeds which include the initiation and tolerance of unequaled mysogyny and less women who are paid worse in his campaign?

    What will the women who see this program remeber? Ferrarro’s endorsement.

  6. My word is “disgust.”

    I can’t decide what is more revolting: Obama and everything he is, does, and represents(hatred, misogyny, r@cism, etc); the MSM (which tacitly approves of everything he is, does, and represents AND then promotes it); the fact that at least half of this country believes Obama is a viable candidate, and, it is amongst the x < 30 yo, the “educated”, where Obama seems to enjoy so much support (WTF is wrong with academia?!?); and…and…..and……

    We love our country as does the other party. However, Obama at bottom does not, or, at best, holds a very bitter view of it. I like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights just fine. Obama? He has already shown he has no respect for the institution of voting. What next?

    Voting against Obama is pretty much morally obligatory IMHO.

    [Robert Maynard Hutchins I assume, yes?]

  7. ^^oops, wrong thread! grrrr

  8. Very encouraging polling numbers for McCain-Palin today!

    Here’s TIPP’s latest polling numbers:

    November 2, 2008

    Day 21: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll

    The race tightened again Sunday as independents who’d been leaning to Obama shifted to McCain to leave that key group a toss-up. McCain also pulled even in the Midwest, moved back into the lead with men, padded his gains among Protestants and Catholics, and is favored for the first time by high school graduates.

    Obama 46.7% (+2.1%)
    McCain 44.6%
    Undecided 8.7%

    Margin of Error 3.4%

    TIPP was the most accurate pollster in 2004.

    Yetserday’s TIPP poll had it as…

    Obama 47.9% (+4.5%)
    McCain 43.4%
    Undecided 8.7%

    The MAC is BACK!!!

    Win Baby Win!!

    ROAR PUMAS ROAR!!

  9. afrocity -

    Drudge has a link at the top left of his homepage now.

    NW will be doing a full thread/write up about it as well today.

    This is going to intensify the anti-Obama vote in PA and make a big differnece for McCain-Palin!!

    Keep standing tall for what you know is right!

    Country First!!

    Win Baby Win!!

  10. woops, not NW, but NQ — no quarter
    :)

  11. I have posted this one over at RCP too. Go to http://readerarticles.realclearpolitics.com/?period=all and find “My Voting Strategy – Democracy” and let’s get the ball rolling. I will put up each post in the series if they are all of the quality of these first two. Thanks for this one sm77.

  12. Oh afrocity! Get that off to the McCain campaign head quarters right away! Then all the 527′s you can think of!

  13. Yes, SM, YES!!! Great post!

    We will be roaring on Tuesday. We are the underreported story of the election.

    PUMA POWER!!!

  14. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mccainmanhattan/sets/72157608521788504/show/

    INSPIRATION. POC PUMA organized rally on the streets of Manhattan Oct. 30. Singing the “Star Spangled Banner” and sounding fired up. Hey PUMAS!! some of you have some beautiful voices out there!

  15. Breaking…

    Big Newspaper endorsement in New Hampshire!

    New Hampshire Union Leader Endorses John McCain

    “Barack Obama has no experience — none. He may be the most unprepared major-party candidate ever. His own vice presidential pick says our enemies will test him quickly and severely. There is no good reason to take that chance.”

    New Hampshire Union Leader
    November 2, 2008

    This presidential election comes down, as they often do, to trust. We must trust the person’s competence, courage and ability to defend us from our enemies and to fight for the best economic conditions possible.

    In both areas, John McCain stands head and shoulders above his rival. McCain has been tested as few men ever have, and he has never been found wanting. Barack Obama has no experience — none. He may be the most unprepared major-party candidate ever. His own vice presidential pick says our enemies will test him quickly and severely. There is no good reason to take that chance.

    Those who believe Obama’s claims that he will reduce 95 percent of Americans’ taxes, while he pays for near-universal health care, subsidizes clean energy, expands our military commitment in Afghanistan, adds to mass transit and highway infrastructure, etc., etc., are living in a dream world.

    Fortunately, there seem to be fewer and fewer dreamers every day, as the polls tighten and people begin to really look at all the promises Obama has made.

    John McCain promises us only his hard work and integrity, his experience and true grit, and a solid faith and optimism in America. In our view, that makes him the clear choice for the independent, thoughtful people of New Hampshire.

    Well said, Union Leader, well said indeed! McCain has a town hall in New Hampshire later this afternoon!

  16. afrocity -

    NQ has the new thread up on Obama and his agenda to bankrupt the coal industry in states like Pennsylvania:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/02/memo-to-voters-in-states-producing-and-relying-on-coal-obama-intends-to-bankrupt-your-businesses-and-your-industries/

    Word about this is spreading faster than a frog on a hot rock! ;)

  17. SM, this is a lovely post. In particular this:

    There is no way I can stand by a candidate and a party (which I have been a lifelong member of) who 8 years ago this very month accused Republicans of subverting Democracy.

    Sent a Shiver Down my spine.

    And Heidi — I gave it a vote over at Real Clear Politics!

  18. Many second wave feminists, Gloria Steinem, Robin Morgan, Geraldine Ferraro, NOW, and yes, even Hillary, are selling us down the river because the only thing that matters is the right to terminate a pregnancy. A seat at the table where that decision is being made is not important enough to take any risks . To me it is analogous to “give a man a fish vs. teach him how to fish”. If we were part of the power structure, women could ensure that we have reproductive rights ourselves. We wouldn’t need to hope that the men in power would “give” them to us, and we could have so much more. Where have some of these women been the last thirty years? On book tours? They’re coming out of activism retirement to divide women once again. These women were once my heroines. I am so sad.

  19. @looking for integrity:
    Yeah I’ll be voting for Obama exactly the way Gerri Ferraro will when she goes behind that curtain: Row 1 column A McCain/Palin.

    I would love to vote McKinney/Clemente – especially for their animal rights plank, but I do so want to bring NJ to the tipping point.

  20. Katiebird: Can you believe the irony?????

    Just 8 years ago we were fighting this war against Republicans. Now we are fighting it within our own party???

    It’s preposterous, and we must PUMAtize the vote for Democracy’s sake.

  21. SM, Irony!! — There’s another one!

    Also, I’ve added an index to the “My Voting Strategy” Posts in the top Left Corner of the blog. We can keep it there for a week or so. I’ll add them as they’re posted….

  22. Greta and MSNBC have just confirmed:

    Hillary Clinton praising McCain robo calls going out all over the place.

    Go to Puma Pac – she has declared the internal polls are predicting McCain out ahead!

    Thank you GOD!

  23. Love the brilliant quotes. Great sense of foundation—good thoughts to hold onto if it happens (!) that we come to watching the Titanic going down in the next days….

  24. Katiebird – that could be your word !

    SOD – I’m suggesting that we find PUMA buddy – trade a vote in a deep Red or deep Blue for a battleground swing state vote for McCain.

  25. @sod Love that quote from Bill especially in light of of HIS quote of Obama at the CGI initiative (signaled by his typical cue – “now I don’t usually quote private conversations but I think you should know” – or words to that effect):

    Obama: “What’s wrong with the way America is organized.”

    @Bill: Thank you for sharing that, you big handsome PUMA!

    @Obama: The only thing wrong with America is what allowed you to steal the nomination. And we’re going to fix that. You betcha! ;)

  26. I believe that McCain will win. You can almost feel the shift in the tide….there’s an excitement brewing that I’ve never felt from the Obama Campaign. Obama’s supposed “inspirational” message was just hype, not real. The feeling from the “underdogs” McCain/Palin is heartfelt, real.

  27. Karolina – those quotes help build this country into a better one because they are based on the fact that one person = one vote.

    Every vote counts.

  28. The video/article below exposes the truth behind government conservation enforcement. I do consider myself green, I live in a small home, drive a small car, re-use as much as I can and try to recycle as much as possible.
    I would personally prefer that instead of rebates, for those who don’t need them, a responsible government used the money to focus on eccological challenges such as dead water or the pacific dump.
    IMO though price controls and the forcing of society off of oil will create much suffering. I know hollywood, with their excesses and their guilt free carbon count program, loves it, yet I know it will be veterans, single mothers, the sick, the elderly and the poor who will hurt.
    People will lower heat to save on energy to buy food, people will proberbly get sick as a result. Exceptions could help, but it is just more beaurocracy and people WILL fall through the cracks.

    If this makes me a republican, then I stand proud as a republican. Cause and effect is taught in elementary school, it seems democrats need a crash course in this too. Their incompetence is astounding. Was Hillary the only Democrat with the commonsense we should expect our leaders to have.

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/02/obama-send-some-price-signals-to-change-behavior/#more-5835

  29. samanthasmom, on November 2nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm Said:
    Many second wave feminists, Gloria Steinem, Robin Morgan, Geraldine Ferraro, NOW, and yes, even Hillary, are selling us down the river because the only thing that matters is the right to terminate a pregnancy.

    —————————————-

    This is the election I realized that for some “pro-choice” apparently means “pro-abortion.” They don’t respect Palin, in big part, because she’s chosen to be pro-life. It’s a startling epiphany that the choice being offered is abortion and abortion!

  30. Why did the NH Union Leader wait so long for the endorsement?

    Is this the next paper to get “thrown off the plane?” lolol

  31. SOD: True – but it makes it easier for a Swing State PUMA to vote for McCain if they feel conflicted because he’s a Republican.

  32. WE will be the next generation of activist women. Like Sarah Palin, we will not sit idly by and complain about our government ignoring our voice. Inste4ad we will go out and find our way to make our voices heard.

  33. Here is a good voting strategy:

    “Listen to your Mama: Don’t vote for Obama!”

  34. What angers me about the green effort from most companiesis they are doing so just because it means more money in their pocket and aren’t passing the savings onto the consumer.

  35. Hillary did it and now we must!

    Please go to

    http://www.tinyurl.com/6ozrob

    to remember exactly what Hillary did. Then on Tuesday (election day) wear the appropriate protest color!!!

    PUMA!
    Just Say No Deal!

  36. from 10/31:

    “This morning, at an Obama-Biden Halloween rally in Kirtland, OH, Hillary told the crowd:

    “I was thinking about dressing up. And I really wanted to be scary. I’ve done the princess stuff, and this time I wanted to be really frightening so I thought I would dress up like George W. Bush.

    “Then I realized: John McCain took that costume.”
    *****************************************************

    So, a couple of questions:

    (i) Can anyone tell me what integrity is selling for in today’s market?;

    (ii) Is this the same woman who once said “I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002″?; and

    (iii) Any way I can get my $2300 from the Clinton campaign?

  37. CWaltz
    We will exclaim that matters pertaining to fair elections, national security, ecconomy and more are also our issues.
    We are our uteruses, our brains and our hearts. We will have a say in imperative issues of the day and we will not be silenced by those who so flagrantly withhold our political voice by stigmatizing our womanhood.

  38. ainnj: Please don’t take it personal, you know she has to carry out her promise to campaign for him. She said that nomatter who wins, she’d campaign her heart out for the Democratic nominee. And she is.

  39. Ooo0h, I just got to politely tell off a solicitor for the DNCCC (whatever the heck that is). It felt so good.

    O/T: This is completely anecdotal, but yesterday, my son and I were collecting food donations for the Cub Scouts/Boy Scouts food drive. On our 8 street route, there were 3 Obama signs at houses with shiny Volvos and Lexuses. Not one of those homeowners left a bag of canned goods.

  40. So, the RNC is using Hillary’s statement praising McCain in robocalls in swing states. This should put a smile on Hillary’s face.

    I was so heartbroken when Hillary was cheated out of the nomination. So I look forward to McCain wiping the floor with him on Tuesday!

  41. Hillary is gonna do what she needs to do and I am going to do what I need to do. I am not going to pull an Obama fan base move and question her integrity just because I disagree with her.

  42. I just got a robocall from Kathy Castor, State Rep in my district. I’m on the fence with her still. She endorsed Obama 3 days after our primary here in FL BUT she is part of the 30% solution and she had a good foreclosed families program and voted against the bailout becuase it did not have HOLC/HOME provisions.

  43. “sm77, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm Said:

    ainnj: Please don’t take it personal, you know she has to carry out her promise to campaign for him. She said that nomatter who wins, she’d campaign her heart out for the Democratic nominee. And she is.”

    I agree wholeheartedly, there is more to this than we know and talking points are just that…some of what was done TO her and threatened at her have a lot to do with this. Time will tell, a LOT but, thirty five years of standing up for things I believe in doesn’t get crossed off my list so easily.

    PUMA is taking it from here and to stay united is important. Understanding is too.

    PUMA!! UNITED!!

  44. Yes!! At the big rally in Ohio just now, Sarah mentioned the breaking news on the audio tape where Obama says he wants to bankrupt the coal industry!

  45. Jules, I also got a chance to tell off a solicitor for the DCCC today! She actually tried to pick a fight with me. Also told me that there are many fewer of us than we think — I guess we’ll find out Tuesday night!

  46. ainnj
    I hear you
    I want my 2300 bucks back too!
    wtf

  47. Sorry, I am no longer a Hillary supporter. I am no longer a democrat and I no longer see the virtue in party before country…no matter whose career is at risk.

  48. Those polling numbers are looking very good!!

    The MAC is BACK!!

    ROAR PUMAS ROAR!!

    2 days to VICTORY and NO MORE OBAMA BS!!

    Country First!!

    No Retreat!!

    Stand up and FIGHT for what is right!!

    John & Sarah ’08
    Hillary ’12

  49. Perhaps for the last wave of feminists pro choice does mean abortion. For me, it has always meant empowering women with the right to choose. It means allowing the person whose body it is determine whether to undertake the risk and responsibility of childbirth. It has meant giving them support if their decision is life and they choose to have a child. When I vote Sarah Palin I WILL be making a choice as a feminist and I find it completely in sync with my feminist roots.

  50. ainnj

    The DNC stole that money from us when the stole the nomination from Hillary.

    I’d like my money back now, and I’d hand it right to John McCain.

  51. Alice Paul,

    I agree with you. We have to keep in mind that they even ran a candidate against John Lewis for not supporting him, and the pressure was so great…just view the video and you can tell it was hard.

    Hillary is working harder than Michelle or Oprah! To me its a bit like abuse, after his campaign was so darn awful to her. It really breaks my heart!

  52. Alice Paul,

    I agree with you. We have to keep in mind that they even ran a candidate against John Lewis for not supporting him, and the pressure was so great…just view the video and you can tell it was hard.

    Hillary is working harder than Michelle or Oprah! To me its a bit like abuse, after his campaign was so darn awful to her. It really breaks my heart!

  53. Politicians calculate and compromise in order to further an agenda. I feel sorry if some of you did not realize that Hillary is a politician up until now. I have always seen Hillary for who she is both the good and the bad.

    If Hillary runs out and supports McCain what do you think happens to her agenda after the election if Obama does win? Do you sincerely think the Democrats would give her a seat at the table? Come on. As it is she will be fighting an uphill battle.

  54. The question the intellectuals forgot to ask ?

    Mr. Obama
    What ecconomic and security hardships should the American people expect if the success results of your energy policy will be comparable to the success of your efforts to reform Chicago City Schools, another issue you have shown to be passionate about ?

  55. CWaltz, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm Said: Edit Comment

    Perhaps for the last wave of feminists pro choice does mean abortion. For me, it has always meant empowering women with the right to choose.

    I wholeheartedly agree.

  56. I have heard a lot of people say they simply will not say who they are supporting. I don’t think it is as close as they say or they wouldn’t be sending out ten e-mails a day asking to vote for TEAM OBAMA?!? WHO IS ON THIS TEAM?

  57. I was trying to remember all the people thrown under the convoy of busses by backtrack and gang.
    Alice Palmer
    Maytag workers
    People in the apt bldg owned by Reskco
    Average working democrats
    women
    Hillary Clinton and her suporters
    wounded troops
    people against the fisa bill
    people who need fair energy prices
    miners and mine owners
    people who believe his promise about campaign financing.

    Please feel free to add as I can not remember everyone thrown under the busses.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  58. CWaltz, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm Said:
    Politicians calculate and compromise in order to further an agenda. I feel sorry if some of you did not realize that Hillary is a politician up until now. I have always seen Hillary for who she is both the good and the bad.
    ************************************************

    Thanks but you can save your pity. I have been around politics long enough to have figured out the basics. However, there is a difference between compromise and sell out. I did not expect her to support McCain. I did expect her to support Obama. I did not anticipate the unprecedented and undeserved level of support for Obama.

  59. “Politicians calculate and compromise in order to further an agenda.”

    The only problem is when that agenda isn’t realized (the “end”), and thus the calculation and compromise of one’s principles (the “means”) are not justified.

    Is everything up for compromise and negotiation?

  60. jvsp, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm Said:

    Is everything up for compromise and negotiation?
    *****************************************************

    Let us hope not.

  61. Helen:

    - Obama’s brother George living in a shack
    - Obama’s aunt who’s about to be deported ( he could’ve gotten a Harvard friend to do pro-bono work for her immigration case!)
    - Father Pfelgler

    There are so many more – I believe on one of the PUMA blogs they have a running tally somewhere.

  62. “Woman Voter, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm Said:

    Alice Paul,

    I agree with you. We have to keep in mind that they even ran a candidate against John Lewis for not supporting him, and the pressure was so great…just view the video and you can tell it was hard.

    Hillary is working harder than Michelle or Oprah! To me its a bit like abuse, after his campaign was so darn awful to her. It really breaks my heart!”

    I agree it’s abuse. I don’t think John’s heart is in this at ALL either. Let’s not forget the relentless death threats he got. The look on his face says it all…he’s being trotted out and made to say Axelrodish “things” that sound nothing like him at all. Shrewdness is called for here if these people want ANY power to reach the goals we have to have in the future.

    I work with abuse perpetrators and victims and this is EXACTLY how they play their games. Get everyone to SMEAR the victims….we have no idea other than the threat of not just a ruined career but, more than that a total loss of any power to do any good in the future what is going on at all. I am POSITIVE going third party has been discussed. I’m positive the outcome of that, and the threat of what would happen afterwards was too. Catch 22′s are the abusers forte. Do this, you lose, do that you also lose. Which choice do you have the MOST to lose by taking and more importantly which choice gives the biggest loss to the most people. If you are familiar with a lot of this is so sickeningly easy to see. *hurls*

    I know who Hillary Clinton is, and who she is not. Very many extraordinary things are going on here that fit a pattern, I am queasy about for very, very good reasons.

  63. SM77-You rock as always…just finished my 5.5 mile walk today…it was that or go listen to O’Biden!

    I made the better choice…..

    We shall overcome
    We shall overcome
    Yes, I know we shall overcome some day!

  64. Bankrupting the coal industry in many parts of our country will be like the car companies leaving Flint, MI. Will Michael Moore make a follow-up documentary about the economically devastated regions called “Barry and Me?”

  65. ainnj
    Personally, I think HRC was coerced into campaigning for Obama. Given the Chicago political machine, there is no reason to believe she wasn’t.

  66. “DYB, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm Said:

    Bankrupting the coal industry in many parts of our country will be like the car companies leaving Flint, MI. Will Michael Moore make a follow-up documentary about the economically devastated regions called “Barry and Me?”

    ROTFLMAO, go float M.M. this idea, it’s something to keep his lying ass busy!

  67. @still for ill

    I’m still seeting over the PBS program. Te thing is, she may vote McCain beind the curtain, but what about all the fence straddlers wo will vote Obama because of her?

  68. jvsp

    Clinton is calculating that Obama and Democrats will win and they will be the majority. She is doing what she feels she needs to do to further her position in the party that will be the majority and the party that she has been a longtime member of.

    As for compromising her integrity, she is doing what she feels she needs to do to get her spot at the table to get the legislation she feels the country needs through. Would she throw her pride out the window if it meant more children would get insurance? I’d bet yes.

    It is your opinion that Obama is not honest and will be bad for the country. It may not be Senator Clinton’s. She is entitled to her opinion. I will not castigate her for a difficult decision and because her decision is different than mine. Furthermore, I will not pretend that I do not know that alot of horsetrading goes on behind closed doors in DC, even if I wish that were not the case.

  69. 1. Bill Ayers 1974 book “Prairie Fire” is dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy, and also to other radicals. http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/

    2. Bill Ayers 2001 book “Fugitive Days” is dedicated to among others, a list of people who have been convicted for killing police officers.
    Acknowledgments “Finally, my heart and my hope is with every freedom fighter who is, even now, imprisoned for speaking out fearlessly, for acting on passionate conviction… Sundiata Acoli, Jamil Al-Amin (H.Rap Brown), Herman Bell, Anthony Jalil Bottom, Kathy Boudin, Marilyn Buck, David Gilbert, Mumia Abu Jamal, Raymond Luc Levasseur, Sekou Odinga, Anthony Ortiz, Leonard Peltier, Oscar Lopez Rivera, Michael Santos, Carols Alberto Torres, and the list goes on and on.” (direct quote from book “Fugitive Days”)

    3. Details of relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama. http://nationalrepublicantrust.com/ayersfactsheet.html

    4. Bill Ayers ghost wrote Obama’s 1995 memoir, “Dreams From My Father.”

    (Researchers used computer analysis and literary “detective work” to compare Ayers’ “My Fugitive Days” with Obama’s book. Computer analysis report just finished (2nd link below).)

    … excerpt from first report (1st link below) …
    “In 1995, Barack Obama produced a lyrical masterwork that Time magazine has called “the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician.” Yet all the Obama samples we have unearthed before 1995 are pedestrian and uninspired. There is no precedent for this kind of literary transformation. It is as if a high 90s golfer suddenly showed up with his PGA card – with no known practice rounds in between. We will be happy to show these early examples to anyone who cares to see them.

    The Obama camp has refused all inquiries on grades, SAT scores, LSAT scores, student theses, or any other documents that would flesh out what Politico calls Obama’s “scant paper trail.”

    Despite being named president of the Harvard Law Review – more of a popularity than a literary contest – Obama has, most unusually, written nothing under his own name for the HLR or any other legal journal.

    Sometime between 1992 and 1994, Simon & Schuster canceled the advance it had offered Obama to write “Dreams.” Obama had not been able to finish the book on his own. Ayers could help. He provided an informal editing service for like-minded friends in the neighborhood.

    Fellow radical Rashid Khalidi attests to this in the very first sentence of the acknowledgements in his 2004 book, “Resurrecting Empire.” “There are many people without whose support and assistance I could not have written this book, or written it in the way that it was written,” he writes. “First, chronologically, and in other ways, comes Bill Ayers.”

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79392

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79391

  70. Rwanda already has a 30% solution, says the Washington Post, Oct. 26:

    “Women hold a third of all cabinet positions, including foreign minister, education minister, Supreme Court chief and police commissioner general. And Rwanda’s parliament last month became the first in the world where women claim the majority — 56 percent, including the speaker’s chair.

    “One result is that Rwanda has banished archaic patriarchal laws that are still enforced in many African societies, such as those that prevent women from inheriting land. The legislature has passed bills aimed at ending domestic violence and child abuse, while a committee is now combing through the legal code to purge it of discriminatory laws.

    “One lawmaker said the committee has compiled ‘a stack’ of laws to modify or toss out altogether — including one that requires a woman to get her husband’s signature on a bank loan.

    “‘The fact that we are so many has made it possible for men to listen to our views,” said lawmaker Espérance Mwiza. “Now that we’re a majority, we can do even more’.”

    PUMA

  71. Phoenix- we are a majority EVERYWHERE!

    16% of female leadership in a country with 300 million people?

    RWANDA ROCKS!

    Fuzzy: GOOD FOR YOU & HUGS!! I have to start getting back on a fitness plan. I’ve gained weight since I started blogging heavily.

  72. Thomas….thanks for reminding us about Big Brown! I was thinking about that recently. He was going to be the first to capture that many races and he came in second on the big day!

  73. For the record, many of US are making compromises.

    I disagree with many of McCain and Palin’s positions but I will vote for them because I feel they are more honest, they are a better embodiment of democratic principles(they didn’t steal their primary), and because putting Sarah Palin in as a VP can further the position of women in government.

    McCain has made compromises by adopting many of Clinton’s positions and stating that he will work across the aisle and reach out to Democrats even though he is a GOP member.

    Does compromising mean I lack integrity? I don’t think so. It means that I understand that choices are not always black and white and I must sometimes choose between the lesser of two evils.

    Here’s the definition of compromise

    A settlement of differences in which each side makes concessions.

    I believe you can compromise without losing your integrity and I also believe that each individual must mnake their own choice as to what they are willing to compromise.

  74. “looking for integrity, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:33 pm Said:

    @still for Hill

    I’m still seeting over the PBS program. Te thing is, she may vote McCain beind the curtain, but what about all the fence straddlers wo will vote Obama because of her?”

    I don’t think there are very many of them at all. I phone bank and talk to a lot of people and this reason for voting either way is not mentioned. The undecideds seem to know why she has to be out there and don’t give it much of a second thought from what I’m hearing.

    What about them? They will need to do their OWN HOMEWORK. I find it impossible to believe that ANYONE who worked on her campaign all these months and saw what really happened could now not see what is still going on.

    That is another reason why what they are doing TO her right now is so sickening but, there is NO reason to believe she does not stand by her word in the best way possible at this time. She is being coerced, strong armed, and trying to keep her word WHILE keeping some power to achieve the goals she believes in that btw, will best benefit us. Who knows the extent to which she is being threatened. I know for a fact how far they went at the convention. This is all going to come out. In the meanwhile as I said before thirty five years of being one of the FEW who bothered with issues I care about is not so easily wiped off the face of the earth for me. Something more is going on here.

    I think taking this tac does PUMA no good in the long term. AT ALL. In fact I read posts on Obama sites that this is exactly what they would try to do to divide PUMA.

  75. The Rwanda story is especially inspiring when you consider what preceded it: the extermination of 800,000 people.

    “With a population that was about 70 percent female after the genocide, Kagame’s new government adopted ambitious policies to help women economically and politically, including a new constitution in 2003 requiring that at least 30 percent of all parliamentary and cabinet seats go to women. The remaining 26 percent of the women in parliament were indirectly elected.

    ” ‘This was a broken society after the genocide,’ said Aloisea Inyumba, Kagame’s former gender and social affairs minister, who was also a prominent official in his ruling Rwandan Patriotic Front when it was still a rebel group fighting the country’s genocidal government. ‘We made a decision that if Rwanda is going to survive, we have to have a change of heart as a society. Equality and reconciliation are the only options’.”

    Full story here:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/26/AR2008102602197.html?hpid=topnews

  76. I think of Orange as the Thomas Jefferson light (yellow) blended with the republican red. Orange for me is PUMA it repressents a fight for democracy (peoples votes count and so does fair reflection), a fight for women ( say no to all misogyny ), a fight for policy that will keep Americans safe and prosperous.
    Hillary wore Orange to Pennsylvania State, Bill wore an Orange tie to an energy policy seminar in Miami.
    Are they PUMAS ? Who knows. Are they Democrats? Yes. Are they Americans who put their country first ? You betcha !

  77. I think Hillary truly feels that any Democrat is better than any Republican. I’m surprised she still feels this way after the primary. But I think that as stung as she is by what Obama and all of his enablers in the DNC did to her, she still thinks that the Democratic party is superior to the Republican party. Many of us no longer feel this way, of course. But she’s doing what she thinks is best to push forward the progressive agenda. Is she right? Perhaps not. But I understand what she is doing, though I disagree with her strongly. This is why I reject the argument that we must all support Obama because Hillary is supporting him. For me this is no longer about Hillary. She was the inspiration for a movement like PUMA, but the movement has moved on beyond Hillary alone and I, for one, respectfully disagree with her on the subject of Barack Obama and the Democratic party. And though I am disappointed in her campaigning for Obama, I do not hold her believes against her.

    I thought these lines from “Pride and Prejudice” just about sum up what I think about the R and the D: “I’m afraid one has all the goodness, and the other all the appearance of it! [...] You can’t make them both good! There is just enough merit between them to make one good sort of man.”

  78. Alice Paul,

    Don’t forget to sign in on the blog talk in 15 minutes for
    http://justsaynodeal.com/
    Hillary Supporters, PUMAs & Fence Straddlers,
    You’re Invited To Join:
    Just Say No Deal’s
    Closing Argument Conference Call
    Sunday, November 2, 5:00 PM ET

    Dial: (218) 486-1662
    Access Code: 82114#

  79. Hillary’s position is different from ours. She is part of the broken cog we call the Democratic party. She will have to work within. We, on the otherhand have chosen to work from the outside(and did so when we chose independance. ) I can’t fortunetell and figure which position is better to work within the party for change or to go outside the framework and make the Democrats work for my vote. So for now Hillary and I will have to agree to disagree.

  80. CWaltz
    I don’t condemn HRC, not at all. I just don’t condone the extreme form of the ends-justify-the-means politics of which she is, as others, a party.

    It is up to us to hold our representatives responsible not only for that which they fight, but also how they fight for it.

    Anyway, nothing will change. People want to “win” regardless of what it costs. So, no one cares how their representatives do it, just as long as they do.

  81. sm-Love the spirit of your post. I’m just wondering how we reconcile our beliefs that the polls are wrong in favor of O but we can rely on the ones in favor of Mac? I know we have traditionally had reliable red states and blue states but I don’t think O is conceding any states and I don’t doubt that the corrupt Dems have hijinks planned in every state possible. I’m just not sure vote trading will ensure the result you want. But I’m freaking out anyway so maybe I’m worried over nothing.

    O’s minions are calling me all the time to tell me my polling location, etc. and I have not heard a word from Mac’s. O seems much more serious about getting out the vote. This is adding to my nervousness here in swinging VA.

  82. My strategy word is “inclusion”….I am voting against the exclusive party that now excludes everyone who does not accept the selected nominee of the Democratic Party. This Party that now says if you are not with us you have no place at our table.

    I want to build a world and a nation not just of tollerance, I want a world of acceptance, where each individual is loved, respected and cherished for the uniqueness they bring to the patchwork quilt that is America.

    Where evryone has the right to express their ideas without fear in the intellectual market place. Where yes, we accept our differences of opinions but still invite each other to dinner. Where we are the hand that reaches out to help our fellow American sisters and brothers up when that hand is needed.

    I believe If I were to vote for Mr Obama I would be turning my back on my dream of a diverse and inclusive land….where everyone has a place at the big table.

    I am voting for McCain because where our party has withdrawn its support of us, he has not. Sarah was a big gamble he took to show he is no George Bush. Where our party has encouraged election tampering and fraud he has written laws to ensure fairness.

    I have not voted for a Repbulican since 1988, and I find it strange to do it now even as proposition 2 is on the ballot to take away even my less than equal status from me…that cannot be helped.

    My principle of inclusion trumps everthing I will trust in the courts and the voters of fForida to do what is right. I want the right to civil marriage, the ERA and the American dream to be extended to every American.

    Because of this I vote in protest of the Democratic Party that has lost its way. I want PUMA to be the guiding light the saving remnant that will bring back the big tent.

    That is why My Voting Strategy….

    Very Respectfully Submitted-

    Fuzzybeargville

    How did I do SM77 ,RD, Madamab, and Myiq2xu?

  83. Actually these Hillery praising McCain robocalls will piss her off. Remember when McCain tried something similar and she came out against it saying “I’m Hillary Clinton and do not approve this message ..”. This will really piss off O and the oObots to the extreme. Watch and see.

    I don’t think it’s fair to use Hillary’s voice against her. That’s crass really and will backfire. It’s immature.

  84. McCain’s internal polls show him winning all the red states AND Iowa and PENN

  85. jvsp,

    She, by virtue of her position, has to work within the framework of the party. We have a little more luxury. Our livelihood does not depend on our party affiliation. Perhaps between her work inside and our work outside we CAN get representation out of the Democrats for policy positions we believe.

  86. dakinikat, I’ve seen that reported at a couple of sites. But how could Gallup claim that Obama’s going to win in a Landslide if that’s true?

    (I’m so confused)

  87. Ripley is an Obot tr0ll please clean up on ailse 5 @ 458 pm

    Ripley ment to say….

    I am scared I cannot believe anyone would not worship my empty headed god with a heart of stone?

  88. LOL @ fuzzy! That’s about right.

  89. katiebird did my 5.5 mile walk did you like my voting strategy?

    I intend to come home from work on Tuesday (I vote in the AM) and go for a walk I will not turn on fox news until 9 pm…

    Of course McCain will carry Iowa the great “family” of fuzzybear has spoken….oh and its not a caucus….

  90. Joan
    You will have to be McCain’s get out the vote effort for VA
    Can you start a viral email with a link to a precinct finder tool?

  91. I agree. If the polls would have favored McCain I would have voted 3rd party here in Florida as well. However, my partner and I cast our PUMA votes for McCain.

    I couldn’t agree more with this statement:

    I urge you to vote your conscience. We are not cutting off our nose to spite our face. We are defending the fundamental right which makes this country a Democracy.

  92. what is crass ripley is Obama not leting hillary have a real roll call vote and a floor fight….he was to embarrassed to show a 17 pledge delegate difference to the nation and the world!

    Mr Obama is weak and he will lose!

  93. omg … does anyone really believe that McCain would win Iowa or Ca. ?

    maybe I have missed something but I thought O had that one locked up long ago due to his support of ethanol .. & due to his ground work starting 2 years ago .

    Some of this stuff sounds just insane. ..

  94. BTW — Darrah over at Pumapac.org is reporting

    GOP INTERNAL POLLS (NJ, CA, MI, PA) SHOW POSSIBLE LANDSLIDE FOR MCCAIN.

    Anyone know her source?
    ***
    My guess is all the PUMAs that have crossed over to help McCain in the last leg…more joining as they learn more of ‘the facts’ that the media has neglected to report.

    Oh, and I don’t care to be called ‘SELFISH’! This weekend I met up with three business owners and ALL are PUMAs (all women too) and they are ticked off at being called unpatriotic for not wanting tax a increase (by Biden) and NOW being called SELFISH by the millionaire candidate Obama.

    If you work for some thing no one should begrudge you what you earned and this SELFISH label is very insulting!

  95. sm 77

    Kathy Castor would not get my vote !

    Wexler is my Congress Representative and he will not get my vote. He will win, but not with my vote.

  96. At the Democratic rally that I attended last week, there were many, many women there wearing buttons that said, “Obama -Hillary sent me” so I do believe that she has been effective in getting her supporters to support him. But my argument is not so much with Hillary as it is with women like Geraldine Ferraro who most certainly could have just declined to answer when asked who she is supporting, and Robin Morgan could have said she disagreed with some of Palin’s policy issues without calling her a dim light bulb.

  97. http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

    PUMA conference call. Five o’clock eastern with Lady Rothchild, Guiliani, and the Gov. of Florida. Listen in! Go PUMA!

  98. CWaltz
    I don’t want pols who are worried about their careers/livelihood. I want pols that are willing to jeopardize their careers for the sake of principles.

    Anyway, I’m probably belaboring the point. Sorry…

    …guess I should shuffle back to the Party of cynicism and disillusionment…

  99. Fuzzy, I LOVE your strategy — It’s invigorated me.

    And I’ve meant to tell you that I admire you’re incredible walking success. You have been an inspiration to me!

    In fact as soon as the KC Chiefs lose this thing, I’ll take another walk myself.

    xxoo

  100. Why are Guliani and Crist with PUMA? They never supported Hillary and have never been Democrats. Guliani didn’t even support Hillary’s run for Congress. (First run he was her opponent.) Why are they joining a PUMA conference call?

  101. Joan, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm Said: Edit Comment

    sm-Love the spirit of your post. I’m just wondering how we reconcile our beliefs that the polls are wrong in favor of O but we can rely on the ones in favor of Mac?

    Internal polling is the most reliable since Gallup & Rasmussen weight the sample based on “likelY” voters that “assumes” mostly all Democrats will vote for Obama.

  102. Wonderful post, fellow Floridian!

    Vote, VOTE, VOTE!!!!!

  103. BTW — Darrah over at Pumapac.org is reporting

    GOP INTERNAL POLLS (NJ, CA, MI, PA) SHOW POSSIBLE LANDSLIDE FOR MCCAIN.

    Anyone know her source?
    *****************************************************

    as much as I wish that were true, CA and NJ won’t be going in McCain’s column, neither will MI. Even McCain has conceded MI. PA is where the hope lies now.

  104. fuzzybeargville, on November 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm Said: Edit Comment

    My strategy word is “inclusion”….I am voting against the exclusive party that now excludes everyone who does not accept the selected nominee of the Democratic Party. This Party that now says if you are not with us you have no place at our table.

    I want to build a world and a nation not just of tollerance, I want a world of acceptance, where each individual is loved, respected and cherished for the uniqueness they bring to the patchwork quilt that is America.

    Where evryone has the right to express their ideas without fear in the intellectual market place. Where yes, we accept our differences of opinions but still invite each other to dinner. Where we are the hand that reaches out to help our fellow American sisters and brothers up when that hand is needed.

    I believe If I were to vote for Mr Obama I would be turning my back on my dream of a diverse and inclusive land….where everyone has a place at the big table.

    I am voting for McCain because where our party has withdrawn its support of us, he has not. Sarah was a big gamble he took to show he is no George Bush. Where our party has encouraged election tampering and fraud he has written laws to ensure fairness.

    I have not voted for a Repbulican since 1988, and I find it strange to do it now even as proposition 2 is on the ballot to take away even my less than equal status from me…that cannot be helped.

    My principle of inclusion trumps everthing I will trust in the courts and the voters of fForida to do what is right. I want the right to civil marriage, the ERA and the American dream to be extended to every American.

    Because of this I vote in protest of the Democratic Party that has lost its way. I want PUMA to be the guiding light the saving remnant that will bring back the big tent.

    That is why My Voting Strategy….

    Very Respectfully Submitted-

    Fuzzybeargville

    How did I do SM77 ,RD, Madamab, and Myiq2xu?

    You did BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. DYB – Yeah, um, I had to listen to Rudy NineEleven for eight long years when he was Mayor of New York. He is an authoritarian, mobbed-up creep.

    This is a Just Say No Deal call. Not all PUMAs are members of, or support, JSND.

    I will not be calling in to that number.

  106. catarina-Sadly, I suck at all things net related. I have never successfully linked to anything. I really need to learn that stuff. : (

  107. if Mccain takes Iowa by less thatn 10,000 votes I expect a few PUMA’s to show some gratitude like buy an E85 vehicle purchase some green energy credits. (wind mills used on wind farms are made in Union Plants in Iowa) oh look for the union label on everything else and eat a little Iowa beef!

  108. Fuzztbear
    What awesome thoughts and hopes.
    For the sake of the country I hope your strategy works.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  109. fuzzybear – great job!!

    And thanks to KB for making the voting strategy posts all nice and coordinated…you rock!

  110. fuzzybeargville…. absolutely .. .. !

    “I am voting against the exclusive party that now excludes everyone who does not accept the selected nominee of the Democratic Party. This Party that now says if you are not with us you have no place at our table.

    I want to build a world and a nation not just of tollerance, I want a world of acceptance, where each individual is loved, respected and cherished for the uniqueness they bring to the patchwork quilt that is America.

    Where evryone has the right to express their ideas without fear in the intellectual market place. Where yes, we accept our differences of opinions but still invite each other to dinner. Where we are the hand that reaches out to help our fellow American sisters and brothers up when that hand is needed.

    I believe If I were to vote for Mr Obama I would be turning my back on my dream of a diverse and inclusive land….where everyone has a place at the big table.

    I am voting for McCain because where our party has withdrawn its support of us, he has not. Sarah was a big gamble he took to show he is no George Bush. Where our party has encouraged election tampering and fraud he has written laws to ensure fairness.”

    by: fuzzybeargville… Thank YOU .

  111. Petal: I’m THISCLOSE to not voting for her, I’m still very undecided about it.

    PRO: Foreclosure Program, 30% solution, Liberal

    CON: Exactly that, she conned her state by endorsing Obama 3 days after Hillary won FL and my county & district.

  112. madamab> I from NYC also and I remember Rudy well. The headlines of the local papers on 9/11 were about his nasty divorce from his wife, who found she was getting divorced by seeing it on TV. The again, I used to work at Tower Records by Lincoln Center – in the classical department – and Rudy would come in semi-regularly with his bodyguards. They were all very friendly.

  113. myiq – Those shoes are hawt!

    Not only are they elitist schmucks over at Corrente (except for gqmartinez and a few others), they also have no taste!
    :-)

  114. Yes, Corrente really IS turning in to a parody site!

    And *FUZZY* thank you for a wonderful post!

  115. my-I’m glad someone asked Sarah what the heck was her point. My answer to her question was “A woman who wants to look fashionable”.

  116. hey …. nothing like deriding & demeaning ‘anything’ woman … On a long Sunday afternoon..

    shoes, no less – how original .. LoL … !

  117. Everyone Charley Christ has spoken against Prop 2 he is a green govenor he want sflorida to meet its share of the Kyoto Accords and is mandating government state buildings reduce there energy consumption by 20% and he has also mandated 20% green energy for the state.

    Charley is a decent governor he has supported civil unions for LGBT floridians. He is from our perspective an Ideal Republican if such a one exsists.

    I think Ms De Rothschild is a good PUMA Democrat also that is to good and 1 nose holder….tune out giuliani-but hey even rudy showed up to be in the gay pride parade. I agree he looks atrocious in drag! Obama could not be bothered!

    JSND is a good organization they are as committed to reforming our party and defeating Obama.

  118. katiebird: gallup is weighting using more dems …

  119. myiq2xu, on November 2nd, 2008 at 5:21 pm Said:

    Corrente is turning into a parody site:

    http://www.correntewire.com/okay_tell_me_why_anybody_would_want_to_wear#comments
    ******
    Silly me I went and took a look…toes?

  120. The Raiders are getting beat like a red-headed step-child

  121. I love sarah’s bullshit comeback “but…i’m just talking about shoes….” god, at least I thought they were supposed to be clever. are we sure jeralyn and sarah aren’t the same person? whoever she is, she’s as dense as a brick, and sexist to boot. way to go corrente!…so when did they jump the shark again? I go back to chicago dyke’s messy rant back in june.

  122. In the words of Bejamin Franklin….

    “We Must all hang together or surely we shall all hang seperately”

  123. things that make polls unreliable:

    * it is expensive to call mobile only voters and very few pollsters do that

    *Bradley effect

    *Bad methodology: depends on your definition of voter: likely voter by voter actually voting in previous elections, likely voter by self indentification, stuff like that

    *inability to reach all voters: low response rates, under/over representation of some groups (older, more conservative folks don’t like to answer personal questions) these things put a real bias into polls

    *possibly overweighting party representation when demographics in state/area have changed

    *will young voters turn out more than they historically do even though they may register and look excited?

    * whose voting blocs turn out –AAs, elderly, evangelicals, etc.

  124. DYB, on November 2nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm Said: Edit Comment

    Why are Guliani and Crist with PUMA? They never supported Hillary and have never been Democrats. Guliani didn’t even support Hillary’s run for Congress. (First run he was her opponent.) Why are they joining a PUMA conference call?

    I’m assuming they are there on behalf of the McCain campaign to thank PUMAs that are supporting McCain.

    Or convince them to vote McCain instead of a third party.

    I wrote an email to the Just Say No Dealers stating that if they are going to talk to us – they need to lay off the taxes & Roe v Wade talk. Crist & Giuliani are to my knowledge fiscal and not social conservatives. (Hello, a closet gay man & a compulsive cheater???)

  125. Oh and for you sports politics fans…..

    5 Florida 49 (went for McCain in Primary)

    3 Georgia 10 (went for Obama In Primary)

  126. I have just received yet another email from the Democratic Party. This time they will send me a tee short for $30. They must have this money, they say, because the RNC and John McCain have $20 million more than the Obama campaign. Go figure.

  127. Sheeshus .. Myiq2xu ..! .. that type of hatred is soul shattering ..

  128. fuzzy: You will never guess where I went to college, Further, it was 10, not 3.

  129. everybody gotta take my sister in law her weekly ration of red wine….

    tonights selection is from a small winery in Galena IL did not vote for Bo for US Senate in 2004- is a Galena Cellars American Syrah the owner of the winery signs each bottle-Christine K Lawlou…I have sampled it it is good-

    Small wineries it the US turn out some of the best wines…and with this one I can taste the pride and love of the vinter in every sip….see you all later!

  130. MYIQ:

    Let her have her Red Shoe fixation. We all know how THAT ends in Hans Christian Andersen’s tale.

  131. well the Dawgs were three at the beginning of the season!

  132. well at least Florida got it right in the primary!

  133. Bye Fuzzy! Drink a few for me!

  134. SM, don’t forget big-time cross-dresser

  135. Fuzzy: Yes, and yes. Chatblu, Class of ’70, UGA

  136. Mawm: LOLOL!!!!!!!! that’s right!

    Good to see you around!!!

  137. Obots are scared as sh-t (or just just obedient little community agitators) over on chatroom. Keep jamming up the board with hysterical anti-Palin messages so no one can get through.

    Strategy # what? in promoting chaos? LMAO!

  138. Just Say No Deal Presents Closing Arguments in Nationwide
    Conference Call

    GO PUMAS GO!!

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr/2008/11/02/Just-Say-No-Deal-Presents-Closing-Arguments-in-Nationwide-Conference-Call

    LIVE now!!

  139. Just heard Lady Rothschild – she was on a plane getting ready to take off – now Larry Johnson is talking.

  140. Stay strong everyone! We are two days from VICTORY and we will prevail!

    PUMAS are real and the world will hear our MIGHTY ROAR on election day for Country First!

  141. dakinikat,

    I’d add at least one other variable that might affect poll results: potential discrepancies between national polls and swing state polls — Obama has spent lots of money in states which are NOT swing states, whereas McCain has spent little or nothing, likely running up Obama’s numbers in the non swing states, and raising his national polls higher than the levels he will achieve in swing states (which ordinarily should be on average on a par with national numbers). Add to this the greater inherent uncertainties in state polls (which never seem to be nearly as accurate as national polls, likely because the models have not been used as much), and the overall result of the election could be significantly affected.

    We’ll see, of course, how much of any of this might turn out.

  142. Dr. Lynette Long talking caucus fraud wonky goodness.

  143. Dr. Lynette Long said MoveOn.Org gave Robert Byrd 600,000.

    OBAMA bought the election.

  144. The conference doesn’t have chat…so lets chat here :-)

  145. Yea but it doesn’t have the regular chat, just the comment section?

  146. I pray that women (and men) across America will rise up and say NO to BO on tuesday and send him back to Chicago as the loser that he is!!

    Listening to the national conference call now. It is incredible that Obama was able to buy his way into the pockets of the DNC.

    This makes me furious!!

    Dr. Long is nailing it!!

    God Bless her!!

    Gov. Crist of Florida will be on soon.

  147. Thanks Caterina…it works. MUA!

  148. @alice paul

    I was talking about Geraldine Ferraro, not Hillary, and how she may have affected the vote of people who watched the documentary I was referring to.

  149. Dr. Long talking about Obama the brand v. Obama the man and how they differ BIG TIME!

    Obama the brand and Obama the man are two different things.

    Obama the talk and Obama the walk are not the same.

    McCain is solid, his talk and walk are the same.

    Go Dr. Long!! Tell it like it is!!

    Update: Audio of Obama in his own words talking about his desire to bankrupt the coal industry is being played in calls to voters for McCain today in the key states, PA, VA, etc. Obama’s own words are being played for the voters in the robocalls for McCain in PA and other sattes this afternoon.

    Sarah Palin talked about this today in Ohio. CBS has the story up, and so does ABC News.

  150. Fuzzybear: I just dropped in and saw your comment up above about McCain taking Iowa. If McCain takes Iowa you can put me down for a wind farm on my patio.

  151. was posted downstairs but you all left me :(
    so here it is again:
    I too fear the MSM juping the gun on Tuesday – I believe it is important that we all write to the head of the news department of all MSM and tell them that we won’t tolerate it.

    No, it may not stop them but then again it may help them think about what they are doing and remember Margaret Meade:

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

  152. I voted McCain/Palin a week ago. I feel really good about it. When the Republicans subverted Democracy in Florida–my home state at the time–I was outraged. I never got over it; Now, the tables have turned, and I’m equally outraged at the Democrats for the same crime. I will NEVER support a candidate who represents DISENFRANCHISEMENT. That is anathema to me. I say Count the Votes; Count every single one of them. If it takes 3 months to learn who the President will be, we should remember that it is the VOTES that make our Republic a Democratic Republic. Without that, we are nothing.

    I will never support Barack Obama; and I may well support Republicans with integrity and honor in the future, as I have done this election. Party will never be a deciding factor for me–not ever again.

    I’m truly independent; truly free to be a critical thinker; truly free to be uniquely AMERICAN.

  153. The two masks of Barack Obama…

    One is the brand, one is the man.

    Both scary as hell!!

  154. LOL @ “Roland Martin wet his pants on TV when Rev. Wright did his press conference.”

    Go Dr. Long!!

  155. My word is ‘Faith” – faith in the good people of the United States of America to awaken from their stupor and vote in their best interest.

    Faith that the PUMA movement will continue on after the election to bring the FDR thinking back to these good people and recapture our party.

    Faith that women across our country have realized their potential and will move forward to take equal control.

  156. McCain Blowout in AOL Straw Poll

    http://patriotroom.com/?p=3739

  157. Mayor Rudy G on now

  158. I’m voting all Rep.

  159. NEW POST UP!!!

  160. BLACKS AGAINST OBAMA: FOR THE SAKE OF THIS GREAT NATION, PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO BEFORE YOU VOTE ON NOV. 4TH. PLEASE SEND THE VIDEO TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY

    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/10/28/see-this-video-before-you-vote-on-nov-4th/

  161. Bill Clinton: “Suppose for example you’re a voter. And you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that person can deliver on anything. Candidate Y disagrees with you on half the issues, but you believe that on the other half, the candidate will be able to deliver. For whom would you vote?”

    Answer: John McCain

  162. Iron Man
    You are absolutely tireless!

  163. Both my husband and I, lifelong Virginia Democrats, will be voting McPalin at the top of the ticket with downticket Dems.

    My husband said today that the one thing he can not tolerate is misogyny and he will vote against Obama. He also plans on telling his Dem buddies this when he goes to the polls.

    And my daughter, an Independent Hillary supporter, will be voting McPalin in Florida. (Her husband will too but he’s a Republican and he always votes red.)

    Stay strong! We can do it!

  164. Ironman,

    I will repeat this on the thread above too—

    When I have felt down, you have broguht me up. I can’t thank you enough for your tireless optimism and efforts to defeat this creep. And very importantly, you have kept many PUMA chins up.

    You are the best!

  165. Wonderful post, SM! I love to read your writing. I hope FL goes red this time. We need to teach the DNC to listen to the base next time.

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