Jesse Jackson may have wanted to remove a part of Obama’s anatomy recently when he chided African American fathers to be more responsible. And even before that he accused Obama of “acting like he’s white”, but he’s still on the kool-aid train as far as his support for The One. He apologized for his off the cuff remark and restated his unwavering support of Barack. And the Obama team, including Jackson’s son, Jesse Jackson Jr. (co-chair of his presidential campaign), accepted their friend’s apology
An Obama campaign spokesman, Bill Burton, said that the senator from Illinois “of course accepts Rev. Jackson’s apology.” …
At Wednesday evening’s news conference in Chicago, Jackson said: “I have supported Barack’s campaign with passion from the very beginning.”
Jackson, whose Rainbow/PUSH Coalition is based in Chicago, has publicly endorsed Obama, most recently in a piece published Tuesday in the Chicago Sun-Times, and said he enjoys a close relationship with the Obama family.
So I wonder what Obama and his campaign think about Jackson’s latest description of what American foreign policy might look like under a President Obama. And more interestingly, I wonder what Jewish Americans will make of it. Here is what The Rev. Jackson had to say at a World Policy Forum in France:
The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.
Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
“Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.” (emphasis mine)
That’s a pretty major policy change if you ask me, and one that I’m sure many Israelis and/or Jewish Americans might find just a bit disturbing (not to mention his anti-semitic characterization of a Zionist controlled America). And if we are to understand the Rev. correctly, it is NOT OK to criticize African Americans in any way, because if you do, you are “acting white”. On the other hand, Jewish Americans have not been getting nearly the criticism that they deserve because they are power hungry Zionists.
Once again a close Obama associate demonstrates an attitude that is far from what one might consider mainstream American attitudes toward our foreign policy. In fact his comments might be seen as a radical diversion from this country’s unwavering support for the state of Israel. You could even say that they might just be a little bit….racist. Add Jackson to the list of Ayers, Wright, Rezko….all just “people from the neighborhood”:
Obama has been “a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family.” Jackson’s son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson’s daughter went to school with Obama’s wife Michelle.
“We helped him start his career,” says Jackson. “And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged.”
I guess that just doesn’t include Jewish people…because you know, they’ve NEVER been wronged before. What is it with that neighborhood? Must be something awfully bitter in the water.
Filed under: Barack Obama, Politics, Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: anti-semitism, Jesse Jackson, World Policy Forum







You know JJ isn’t lying. But, you’ll be hearing a JJ WORM any minute now.
Oh yeah, Linda — this one ought be good.
Good grief, Zionists controlling America, are we down to this level?
I remember Jesse commenting about Jewish people in 1988 and let’s just say that it ruined his 1988 candidacy.
Jesse KNOWS this could hurt Obama due to Obama’s “friends” (i.e. Farrakhan & Wright & Pflegler, Mansour) – so I’m guessing Jesse’s doing it it on purpose.
HE HAS to be doing it on purpose.
Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
That’s not what Barry told AIPAC, so once again, which is it?
You can’t critique Obama’s policy on any given issue, because there’s often more than one.
Thank you for this post! It needs to be circulated everywhere. I will send it to those I know who I think will be interested. I urge others do the same.
Now, now, gary, this is simply more guilt by association. Whenever will you learn? Obama is never to be held accountable for a) his own pronouncements, much less those of b) close personal advisors and key team members. For Obama, it’s all good all the time.
If anyone took the time to look at Obambi’s foreign policy advisors, starting with Zbig Brezinski, and the “owner” of the Dem Party George Soros, any low information voter could figure out that Jews and Israel are under the bus under an Obambi presidency. Jews better wake up and stop voting for anyone with a “D” next to their name and start looking at which party REALLY supports Jews and Israel.
Oh my…is this getting any traction in the MSM?
Ruh-roh. Florida and New York will not be pleased.
Wasn’t JJ the guy who called it “Hymie Town?”
Remember when Jackson called NY Jaimetown? Jackson has always had a thinly veiled contempt for Jewish people.
This is what I have been saying since last year. Obama will sacrifice Israel to force a peace deal with the Muslims. It isn’t tin foil hat nonsense like so many Dems want you to believe when you see you he has working for him and who nurtured and supported his career.
Wright, Phleger, Ayers, Khalidi, Davis, McPeak, Rice: All Israel haters each one. He even has Nation of Islam people working for him now.
You scooped me! Just blogged it myself as well.
I also noticed that the post-racial society we were promised – not so fast.
Someone send this to Florida!
Sheesh. If he sticks his feet in his mouth any more often……I mean really. What a dope. They should put a cork in him, but I hope they don’t. The more of this stuff that comes out, the better.
Marsha
Yes, Jesse Jackson is indeed the person who called New York “Hymietown” and I have never forgotten it. Ever.
This would make a great ad for a 527 against BO.
Watch the MSM bury this one, pronto.
Okay, so we’re now in full-on Louis Farrakhan land with Obama.
He is an absolute bigot and an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.
There goes the Jewish vote…
I have often wondered what do they say in private that seems to slip out every so often. Have any of you seen the early Obama interview of his first book where he says that Asians run everything? In his own words, I kid you not, but as the other poster mentioned, he has special rules and doesn’t have to account for anything.
What kind of presidency would that be that doesn’t allow for accountability and transparency?!?
This is ominous but comes as no surprise to those of us who have been paying attention to Obama’s long-time anti-Semitic alliances: Wright, Farrakhan, al-Mansour, Malley, Khalid, Brzezinski, and the self-hating Jew Soros. Who have I left out???
I would like to hear Robert Wexler’s views on Jackson’s statement.
Asian zionist r@cists control everything?
What, Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson anti-semitic? NO!
The mind boggles.
Cannot believe it! I’ve been wondering why so many books on the 3rd Reich are being published or re-printed (currently reading “Hitler’s Willing Executioners – really an acadenic study on how the Holocaust was possible. In short, continuos negative programming over centuries allowed prejudices to reamin ingrained and needed only the Nazi’s to target that prejudice, legitimize it, and bring it to the fore).
The mood in Europe in some places is both anti-jewish and anti-Muslim, yet some leaders, such as Sarkozy, are of Jewish descent. Jackson should have known better, or maybe it’s better if the truth’s out. On the one hand it may find sympathy, on the other, the next time he goes to Europe, especially Germany – there will be no 200,000 fans.
angienc: as a Catholic (not practicing) I agree with your comment about the saint cards on the previous thread. I found the whole thing a bit revolting.
This information should be run on florida tv. That would change the dynamic a bit down there.
looking for integrity — thanks for agreeing with me about the saint cards — seeing them gave me chills.
FOX has a link to the Post article on its website, but cnn has nada.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm
I tried to link to the post article, but it won’t come up.
Obama – the patron saint of waffles
please forgive me for all my typos.
What the HELL is Jackson doing in France, discussing Obama changing this country’s relationship with Israel?
Was he speaking to an audience of French Muslims?
Is he speaking on behalf of Obama?
Good Lord. What an idiot.
LOI:
You are absolved. Now go and sin no more
I had a dream last night about Jesse Jackson and Obama……I’m not sure if it was JJ, Jr. or Sr.
I have a new video up from the person who did Burning down the house. This one is Taxman In The Casino: The Truth About Taxes And Our Economy. I’ve taken screenshots of almost every frame and included links to the information presented in the video.
MountainSage
I’m on a listserv about parish (county) concerns back home.
A poster there who is a Repub posted something about snopes.com being owned by a leftist couple. His comment was “and they’re also Jewish”. He was implying that because of their politics they don’t always check out “conservative” things.
I wrote back and said “ya know, this election year has been ugly enough between Dem/Repub and the Dem intraparty fights. Can we at least leave religion out? So what if this couple is Jewish?”
(sigh) I guess now JJ has given this guy some cred to his argument.
I hope this gets lots of airplay but it won’t except on Fox.
So wait a minute….months ago you were saying that JJ’s rather intemperate attack on Obama was valid.
Obama’s campaign quite forcefully came out against Jesse Jackson (and his son, though not at all surprised, was outraged with his father).
Now, somehow you believe that Jackson represents the Campaign!
You folks need to get a grip on what actually constitutes being associated with his campaign. This need of yours to tie any random comment by anyone in the public to the campaign itself is just silly.
It was the same situation with Randi Rhodes.
Whenever somebody (who doesn’t know I’m Jewish) hands me that line about the Jews controlling everything, I always ask them, “If the Jews really controlled everything don’t you think they’d have much better PR?”
Mary, I lived in France for two years, and while I was there I met a lot of anti-semites. Maybe it was just my experience, but I came away from my stay there believing the French were that way. Since then, I have had many people tell me I had a warped experience, but I am not so sure. Just look at how France traded with Iraq, and now with Iran.
Keisha:
So when random people say bigoted stuff at a McPalin rally, it’s just silly to blame that on McCain?
This will be ignored by the MSM just like everything else that puts Obama in a negative light.
Oh, no! “Negative light”. Is that a r@cist code phrase?
myiq2xu
KeishaVixen – if Jesse Jackson isn’t representing Obama’s campaign or his foreign policy plans, don’t you think he needs to STFU and stop acting like he is?
I just sent links to this post to my daughter and son-in-law in Florida and asked them to pass it on. This could do some serious damage if it gets enough attention.
Julie: Hymie Town lost him 2 elections – his and jerry Brown’s – after he announced him on the ticket
EOF – I well know. I was still in NY at the time.
Keisha
Jesse was speaking at a World Policy Forum about the candidate he supports. Abroad.
Meanwhile, McCain/Palin are held accountable for whatever is been shouted at their rallies. Here.
Go figure.
Personally, Obama did not give me any reason to think he has different ideas from Jackson.
Its a tough one as JJ doesn’t work for Obama and holds no advisory position in the campaign. Obama can deny it totally. MSM doesn’t care about Obama other associations so Obama relationship with JJ family (and they likelyhood that JJ would have an understanding of what Obama believes) will be ignored. Heck, this won’t get publicized and so Jewish Americans will vote for him.
I don’t own a gun, but I’ve been thinking I should get one before Obama destroys our civil rights and declares himself King.
johninca, on October 14th, 2008 at 2:32 pm Said:
You can’t critique Obama’s policy on any given issue, because there’s often more than one.
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Funny but true.
I wonder whether JJ is aware Obama promised Israel an undivided Jerusalem and pledged never to take force off the table as an option for dealing with Iran.
Frankly, I wonder what is going through Jackson’s head. There is no way Obama could possibly take an anti-Israeli tack in his foreign policy without inciting a firestorm of the “so he is a Muslim after all!” variety.
KeishaVixon, I don’t think you understand our point. Everything JJ says can be confirmed with Obama’s past actions and associations if people would look. We know Obama can deny what JJ says, but smart people can look at the fact the Obama has know JJ and his family for many years, and look at Obama’s record. This tells me Obama can deny all he wants but it’s clear to me Obama is lying if he denies what JJ said..
I don’t care what anyone says, JJ and Mahmoud Ackmadinnerjacket ought to have separate speech writers.
I found this in the comments section on another blog and thought it was brilliant and very apt:
“A liberal wants to try a different approach, a leftist wants to replace the system.
A liberal believes in fair play and honest disagreement, a leftist believes in hiding the truth and crushing dissent.
A liberal believes you may have a point, a leftist believes there are no points other than his.
A liberal says this country is great, but can be greater through dialogue. A leftist believes some other country is great and this country makes him puke.
A liberal wants equality for all persons regardless of gender, color or creed, a leftist wants class and racial warfare.
A liberal wants to take the poor and give them a chance to be rich, a leftist wants to take the rich and make them poor.”
I am a liberal. Obama, Ayers, Wright and Jackson are leftists.
NH,
But I do wonder how Obama will deny Jackson’s statements. What is he going to say?
“I absolutely condemn Rev. Jackson’s statements and want to assure the Zionists their control of US foreign policy will continue undisturbed?”
I’m not sure, given Jackson’s construction, how one wiggles out of something like that without offending someone.
Second amendment, FISA, single payer, Israel, campaign finance– again, how does one critique his policies when they contradict each other?
If Obama had kept his word, he’d be on a cot somewhere in the senate halls filibustering FISA.
Barack Obama with Connie Martinson Talks Books Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBtMn5Zm9k
Barack Obama with Connie Martinson Talks Books Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS907OzPkOU
Barack Obama with Connie Martinson Talks Books Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBxUSLCPlmc
In Video 2 he says you would think Asian were running everything. Oops got that one wrong earlier…had to listen to it again.
OK, so BO didn’t say that. Correction noted.
If Obama is Pres he sets foreign policy under Constituion. Technically he can cause all the firestorm he wants but he is within his rights. Obama will do it slowly, it will erode so that people don’t see what is happening.
do you think Germans knew Hitler plans? I don’t. I think Hitler gather his power around him before the average person knew what was going on. Hell even in US people ignored what Hitler was doing and some jackasses actually supported him.
Mike, heh! But leave it to the Obots, they can wiggle out of anything. How many times has Obama lied or flip flopped. He gets away with it. Look at how their spinning the ACORN crap. Obama is a crook and getting away with it.
Or, is Jessie setting up the new Obama 1/2 hour long speech?
Obama’s always gotta have somebody to disown when he makes one of his earth-shattering speeches.
portia9. Yes but Obama is being disguised as a liberal and even his MSM supporters don’t see that he is a leftist.
It does concern me that he supported Odinga and Odinga singed off on his support for Sharia Law and Obama continues to support Odinga. Odinga also had CHANGE in his campaign materials. (SHOCK) We will never get the details because our press is missing.
Is Obama’s new speech going to be all about religious
tolerance? Obama’s gotta put all that muslim stuff behind him. Let everbody know he’s a good christian.
Plus then he can address how Israel is like a second home to him. He can address Odinga’s genocidal ways in the same speech.
angelasmith, on October 14th, 2008 at 3:39 pm Said:
Or, is Jessie setting up the new Obama 1/2 hour long speech?
Obama’s always gotta have somebody to disown when he makes one of his earth-shattering speeches.
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Gee, you are sooooooo clever, FREE AD…as long as he wants and the press will do his bidding for days about the speech.
Yes, I’m voting that Obama’s new media torture-fest
(aka 1/2 speech) is going to be on religion.
The Master (bater/baiter) has already shown us the way to peace and equality between the races– now I’m betting he’s going to show us the way to happiness, joy and equality between all of the religions.
Woman Voter, You’re right. The Odinga connection is very disturbing and yet the MSM is ignoring it. Of course, anyone who points out this chilling connection will immediately be branded as a r@cist.
Sexism isn’t Obama’s fault. White racism isn’t Obama’s fault. Anti-Semistim isn’t Obama’s fault. Election fraud isn’t Obama’s fault.
Everyone (but his critics) says Obama tsk tsks their antics but no one listens to him.
Now just WHY would anyone vote for some guy whose own followers won’t listen to him to become our Commander-in-chief? Those foreign leaders are going to be a lot tougher to negotiate with than Jessie Jackson.
Woman Voter,
I feel like writing the damn speech before Obama does and splashing it all over the internet. Heading off that clown at the pass.
Oh sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that Obama writes any of his own material…
Two problems with my plan:
(1) I don’t know if I could keep the dripping satire out of it.
(2) If I could write it without satire, I would probably have to puke repeatedly.
The MSM is ignoring Odinga and that really disturbs me. If people knew. there are plenty of facts and photo graphs to draw the conclusion that Obama went there to campaign for Odinga. Further, i heard Obama used taxpayer money. Odinga is a mass murderer.
OT- but it goes along with the cards:
By the editor of Smith’s newspaper – and posters were asking if it’s satire. Seriously, no one including me could tell.
http://www.smithsophian.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=5de48f0f-1836-4d01-9978-f45431602fc3
“I Will Follow Him”: Obama As My Personal Jesus
JJ Jr sure has an “official position” in Obama’s campaign. Don’t you think the two talk?
Angelasmith,
Have myiq2xu help ou,t he is good at satire and has a clown site, with a clown on it too.
I will be so glad to have this election over. I don’t discuss politics anymore out in public.
some 527 needs to run ads o this sin florida
Thanks for your info, Mawm. I’ve never lived in France, but have visited. No comment.
Let’s just say I found Italy to be friendlier.
But I am aware that there are a large number of Muslims in France……mostly their version of “legal cheap labor” that the French kinda “lured” in to do grunt work, promising possible citizenship and then reneging on that promise. That’ s really what caused those riots in the Muslim areas coupla years ago. The French government really had to hustle to keep them from doing more “violence in the streets.”
If JJ is over there , speaking as an American, connected to the Obama campaign (his son is Obama’s campaign co-chairman), promising ANYTHING to the French Muslims, then Obama DAMN SURE should be questioned.
Especially given his “Hymietown” background.
This is frikkin incredible.
Wait for the “This is not the Rev. Jackson I knew,” while doing the ole wink-wink okey-doke behind the scenes.
Maybe Jackson slipped and actually told the truth.
didn’t Michelle used to baby sit for Jesse’s kids when she was a teen?
Maybe Jackson slipped and actually told the truth.
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Mary don’t scare me!
KeishaVixen — I’d be willing to bet good money that Jesse Jackson knows a h3ll of a lot more about BO then you do. Not everyone needs to be an official oppossum sealed member of Teh Precious’ campaign to be a credible source of information on the Invisible Man’s real stance on issues, because contrary to popular belief,. not everything one should know about BO can be found on his website.
You never know, Woman Voter.
Louis Farrakahn has openly said he and his , support Obama, but will lay low and say nothing, to keep from damaging Obama’s prospects.
Perhaps JJ knows something about Obama’s true feelings, and in that environment in France, his game face slipped and he said something he wasn’t supposed to say.
Quite possible.
Corsi has a bad back. Hannity cancelled the interview without telling Corsi and the studio never answered his inquiries as to why. Corsi is well enough to do radio interviews. He did about a dozen yesterday. He didn’t cancel Hannity.
jackson is saying what the obama campaign really thinks. WHERE IS THE REBUTTAL FROM OBAMA? WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS TO RENOUNCE THIS? HUH? sound of crickets!
I’m really thinking this religious stuff is going to be Obama’s big speech.
Jackson’s been put forward as the set-up as Wright was before him.
There is some clever strategy here. How best to get rid of the Ayers issue but to transcend it? How best to diffuse Odinga but to transcend it? And Wright has to come up again before this is all over– and how better to deal with Wright than go to “higher ground”?
Obama’s got crazed followers calling him Messiah.
If he goes religious he can stir them up.
He can turn the dialogue from any political issues as well: economy, national security, etc.
I’m telling you, I think this is classic Obama. Didn’t we all say he was vying for the job of Pope anyway?
hmm.. I think I’d better go find a Republican to talk to about my speech theory.
One more comment I forgot, Woman Voter:
Farrakhan openly calls Obama “The Messiah” in his own NOI meetings/services.
Not just “the best candidate,” but THE MESSIAH.
Personally, I find that troubling.
Another 2 by 4 campaign point, wack, wack, wack. I can’t wait for this to be over.
I am tired of stating how ridiculious this campaign has been. I am tired of them confirming how unqualified they are and I will not be voting for BZero.
Shocking bit by the Reverend, eh. Wonder how all those Jewish ‘celebrities’ and film execs in Hollywood feel about this? One of the commentors on the Fox site had this to say:
“johnr wrote:
From Dreams of My Father:’I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’
From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’
From Dreams of My Father:’There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’
From Dreams of My Father:’I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:’I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”
Cate again. Will this matter to anyone? We’ll see.
Hm, the cognitive dissonance of decreeing that BO is unassociated with his high profile associations, while blaming McCain for running KKK riots… will it make heads explode? We can only hope.
I’m having trouble believing that this would be a setup by the Obama campaign. I would think this would be the last place they would want to go three weeks before the election. I would think they would want to keep the focus on bread and butter issues and avoid this area of weakness for him.
But hell what do I know? Not much.
I don’t think it’s a set up, Mawm.
I think JJ just slipped off the reservation, so to speak.
Betcha Jr. is ripping him a new one for it. LOL
Off to take my son to the airport (thank God for cheap tickets), he’s going back to school.
Thank you for putting a smile on my face, I will be chuckling on the way telling him about the posts, both serious and humorous…
What. The. Poop.
Corsi’s been up and down talk radio. Got it from a few folks who listened to him. Also from a website he gave an interview to. He’s recovering fine and can talk by phone when does interview. He didn’t know the thing was cancelled.
The gist seems to be that the RNC is holding back till the day after the debate or the day of, one or the other.
Hmmm, wonder if this little nugget by the good Rev. is being included in Sarah Silverman’s recommended speech for young people to give to their dear old grandparents living in Florida when they make their pleas for them to vote obama?
Wonder if they will be adding this to Sarah Palin’s stump speech? You betcha!
I would think that if the GOP plays its cards right they could get Florida back in play pretty soon.
Could Jackson really be this stupid or is he really for McCain?
Sorry, that’s not from Corsi. I meant the general shutting up of the other side seems to be that.
Rengency, so they didn’t cancel because it is not credible?
They never gave him an explanation. That’s what I’m saying. It’s not because Corsi’s ill. From what I’ve seen they’ve been pretty hush-hush all around.
I’m back!
This post needs to be sent to every one of your Jewish friends and/or family members still on the fence about BZero. I think a lot of young Jewish friends I have just don’t know any better and are caught up in the hype of BZero even though they are pro-Israel.
Sorry but anyone who goes to Rev. Wright’s church and is in any way associated with Luis Farrakhan is NOT a friend of Israel.
sm77, on October 14th, 2008 at 2:30 pm Said:
I remember Jesse commenting about Jewish people in 1988 and let’s just say that it ruined his 1988 candidacy.
Jesse KNOWS this could hurt Obama due to Obama’s “friends” (i.e. Farrakhan & Wright & Pflegler, Mansour) – so I’m guessing Jesse’s doing it it on purpose.
HE HAS to be doing it on purpose.
SM, I’m in complete agreement with you. This is intentional. Either that, or his subconscious REALLY got the better of him that day. I’m thinking it’s the former.
As one of Irish Catholic descent, I have no personal ethnic fish to fry, but I am horrofied that there are African Americans seem to have forgotten that it was three young Jewish men, Andrew Goodman, James Chaney and Mickey Schwerner who died trying to help in the cause of Civil Rghts. Even if some of Obama’s supporters are too young and not schooled enough in the history of the Civil Rights Movement to remember Freedom Summer, Jesse Jackson, Sr. certainly must remember. I guess now in the interest of Obama, It’s okay to throw Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner under the bus.
You know this idea of grandkids telling their grandparents who to vote for is completely absurd along with being downright demeaning. What ever happened to the idea that kids should respect their elders? Of course, I guess we shouldn’t expect very much from the brainchildren of Camp Obama. They are after all the minions of King Disrespectful.
Be it overt or via a more subconscious-level action, the Reverend’s true agenda is anything but to aid Obama into the White House.
Beth: Here’s an unfortunate lesson for all of us. The BamBam Bus doesn’t discriminate…or maybe it does.
there are plenty of facts and photo graphs to draw the conclusion that Obama went there to campaign for Odinga. Further, i heard Obama used taxpayer money. Odinga is a mass murderer.
Friends, we are gonna have a lot of work to do should Zero wind up head of this nation. I’m talking letters to the editor *every single day*.
Obama’s foreign policy would be peace by appeasement. He may talk tough about pakistan, but the minute he gets into office he is going to be trying to force Israel to make concessions in order to broker a peace deal and make nice with Iran and Hezbollah.
ACORN probe in NC
Is it still just 11 states. There’s been fraud even here in TX. We’re becoming like Chicago, where the long dead vote.
edwardian, I’m so on the same page as you. I just can’t figure out whether it’s intentional or not.
[...] conspiracy, here comes Jesse Jackson, speaking for Obama in France, to reassure you that The One believes it too. The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s [...]
Mawm – How can you tell what he would do? My head is spinning.
If there IS a Zionist conspiracy, I hope my people will spread this story all over the media!
I wish my fellow powerbrokers would clue me in as to how I can get a piece of the pie, though.
[looks at empty pockets, sighs]
Is it under the bus time for Jesse?
Sorry, I just had to leave for a while to cool off. Do tr*lls like Keisha lurk all day to wait and pounce on anything negative or to let us in on a WORM?
This is getting disgusting and to keep myself from really blasting off on a diatribe, I left. Jackson, Farrakhan, Wright and all the rest can make freaking r@cist remarks against any and all americans they deem fit, be they Jewish, women, hillbillies, southerners and on and on, but we have “code words”? Give me a break. The next time someone like her comes on, either blast her ass off here or ignore her for the freaking dumbass, koolaid drinking idiot that she is; she deserves no explanation or graciousness.
The sheer number of places Barack’s face is at once lately tells me he is burning through his dollars at an exceptional rate and the fact that they’re working Hillary ragged in spite of the much-touted polls tell me that they know something they’d rather we didn’t know. They’re losing and doing a bad job at hiding it.
Myshiba, all you do is drop in every once in a while to create alarm. Stop it.
And stop posting in all caps, it’s rude.
I don’t think JJ’s talk was a campaign strategy; he’s never been able to keep his mouth shut. He’s one of those people that if you let them talk long enough, he’ll say what he really thinks, like Biden.
I think Jesse felt all safe & protected way over there in France, probably hob-nobbing with sympathetic lefties and Muslims, and let it fly.
I’ll bet JJJr & a bunch of Obama associates would just love to tell us what they have planned for our country. I don’t want to hide Ayers, Farrakhan or any of them – I want to hear what they have to say. Where’s Willie Barrow or Leah Daughtry?
madamab, I don’t really know, but I know Obama’s type and I see the people he surrounds himself with and the people who support him, and a lot of them blame Israel for our troubles in the middle east instead of seeing Israel as our ally who should be protected.
It’s the “give them what they want and they’ll leave us alone” crowd. You know the type, or maybe you don’t. Maybe that type of leftie doesn’t talk to you about the subject because they know you are Jewish.
But there are a lot of lefties like that.
Regency, I think you’re right on target. Add in the r@cism smears coming from the Obamaganda machine and I think they’re running scared.
As a Jewish American, Hillary supporter, undecided voter, this article may have been the catalyst to move me off the dime. JJ could not have been anywhere better to spew his anti-semitism. What sad times when history is forgotten. Jews stood strongly with African Americans during their hard fought struggle for equality – marching side by side. Having always been taught our Jewish mantra “Lest we forget, we are destined to repeat history.”
I never understood how irritating some lefties could be. Now I laugh at them right along with the Republican.
Interestingly I saw a student wearing an “I’m for McCain-Palin” button coming out of the music buliding today. I was so stunned, I just missed telling her how awesome her pin was. That or she ignored me. Who can say. I’ve got my vintage Clinton-Gore for New Leadership 1992 campaign button and my Women for Hillary button on my backpack now. I’m representing and I love it. I’ll probably wearing my “Lovin’ McCain-Palin” button when I get it but that will depend a lot on how things get on campus.
man, sometimes you have to work to find a repub when you need one.
All right, I’m still on my 1/2 hour speech theory.
Two men “sinned” against Obama by causing him difficulty (hell- they didn’t mean to, they were just being their stupid selves): Jesse Jackson with his cut the ol’ balls off comment and Jeremiah Wright who just loves to hate on America.
Jeremiah says all sorts of nasty stuff and is disrespectful to Teddy. Did anyone believe that act was not to set up Obama for a moving and heartfelt speech?
Now Jesse takes one for the team. Is he stupid enough to commit another egregious act of stupidity
like he did with these comments? Is anyone that stupid? (don’t answer– rhetorical)
So, if Jesse meant to be a stupid head, then why?
What better than to set up the next Obama-thon already scheduled?
It isn’t that Obama WANTS to go into muslim/christian,
odinga genoicidal issues…. it’s that most likely McCain and the sailors of the 527s are gonna take his ass there toot sweet.
okay, there’s my theory and I’m stickin to it.
Either way, if ol’ Jesse was being an ass on purpose, my mistake, or in a subconcious take down of Bamby,
Jesse should still have his ass chewed. It’s just nice to think ahead to checkmate.
Mawm – You could be right, and you probably are, since you are a fellow Virgo and we are almost always right!
I’m just getting totally freaked out by what I’m hearing. How long will the corporate media cover this sh*t up? It’s really starting to become clear that Obama is going to push Black Liberation Theology and Farrakhan’s whacked-out bigotry down our throats, no matter what the 90% of Americans who disagree with him want.
I don’t like to submit to fear, nor do I vote from it. But at this point, the dots are too numerous and too well-connected to ignore.
Sorry if I’m ranting, but I was screaming about this in the primary and it is one of my “big issues” I care about. I am not totally certain about much in the middle east, what we should do in Iraq, what we should do about Iran, but I feel very strongly that we need to make it very clear that we support Israel, and when I see this type of crap it really gets my blood boiling.
sorry…typo… I meant “by mistake.”
I agree with the people who JJ was running his mouth. I don’t think his remarks were planned as part of Obama’s grand strategy.
Obama will be pissed at him, that’s for sure.
Parentofed — I’m with you on this — it wasn’t an intentional set up — BO only leads FL by 5 (which means, irl, that he is down by 10 there) & the Jewish vote is too important in that state to try to do some gimmick set up, especially given all of BO’s anti-Israel statements and associations in the past.
I want someone to say (has John, by the way?) if you go after Israel, you go after us. The only I can clearly recall hearing that from isn’t in the race anymore.
okay, I’m off…. take care everybody… I’m going back to further discuss with the repubs.
btw — I have absolutely zero doubt that what Jesse said today is exactly what BO believes on the issue, after all, BO did say that “no on has suffered more then the Palestinians.”
RNC needs to do an ad on this. FL will not longer be battleground.
Once an Anti-Semite, always an Anti-Semite. JJ is just being himself.
Oy vey is mir!
Later, Asmith.
Regency — I don’t know if McCain has said it exactly in the same succinct way that Hillary did, but imo his passion about protecting Israel is clear.
Nan, believe it or not, the character Adam Schiff [Steven Hill, I think] on Law & Order once said something like that.
I’m always stunned when I hear AA’s dissing Jews today. At least one of the young men killed and buried at that Mississippi earthen dam was Jewish [Goodman]. The altruism of Jewish Americans, esp college students, fighting for racial justice was common knowledge during the 60’s. They didn’t sit on some damn keyboard blabbling; they sent money and bodies into terrifying situations. Why has the AA community forgotten it? And, no, I’m not Jewish.
bye angela!!
Angie: good. I thought he had in one of the debates but I haven’t quite got as good a memory box for him as I’ve got for my Wonk.
Mawm — no need to apologize — anyone with an ounce of sense feels the same way about the importance of Israel.
What’s really strange is that Jackson says Israel will no longer be first.
What country will be, then? Africa? Because that is what Black Liberation Theology members believe.
I’m just really having a hard time with this.
I seem to recall that back early in the Obama campaign Jewish Americans were concerned about several of Obama’s advisors and his policy toward Israel. Samantha Powers name came up in that article. So Barry has to go b@alls up at the AIPAC convention to prove his bona fides on Israel and ends up talking out of his uninformed @$$ about an undivided Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. His whole campaign has been about walking back the anti -west bank settlements (not anti-Israel, IMO) views of some of his prominent advisors.
I hope the Republicans run this in their ad in FL. I knew from the beginning Obama is not with Israel.
Madamab — the connect the dots get even scarier when you think of the meglomaniacs behind this empty suit. The “Trojan Horse” of Aeneid has nothing on this one.
“New World Order” — “world currency” — “citizen of the world” .
Yikes…my tinfoil hat really starts to crush my skull when I think about what could really be at play here.
SOD – The one I borrowed from you is getting a little tight too…
More advertising for the grubby cheetoh eaters!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/14/politics/horserace/entry4520803.shtml
ugh!!
Nan, I agree- this may be a strong catalyst, and I hope it will be. Unfortunately, most of the Jews that support Obama are secular as well as in denial, so this probably won’t directly hit them, only indirectly through our redoubled efforts. They were in denial when Jackson made his hymietown remark and remain so now. The above will not only galvanize observant Jews, us in general (Pumas, et al,). but will also impact Christian fundamentalists, who tend to adhere to Israel. No matter what Jackson’s agenda was, let’s hope this will aid in overthrowing Sir Barks-a-lot.
SOD — as William S. Burroughs said — “Paranoia is having all the facts.”
And MFker Tweety just said “…[Sarah Palin] is on the the ticket because she’s a she.”
The only redemption was that the one pundit said “what? doesn’t she give you a tingle up your leg?”
Tweety’s response?: “Very funny”
Oh and for anyone out there scanning this site, I would vote for Jesse Jackson before I would vote for Barack Obama because I know where he stands on issues. JJ makes no bones about how he feels and does not try to be all things to all people like Obama. I am not voting for BO because he is a fast talking, bullshitter and having been single for 10 years, my BS meter is usually right on the money.
madamab — maybe I’ll have to switch over to a spandex/tinfoil blend.
liliam – I am a secular Jew, and I find this anti-Semitism unacceptable.
Jackson is using code words from the very farthest reaches of wingnuttia. “Zionist conspiracy” is a huge no-no.
madamab…Mawm is a sagitarrius…but he’s still almost always right
Soon Obama will come out with “this is not the Jesse Jackson I know. I have never heard him say anything against Jewish people. I am soooo disappointed in him.” If that doesn’t work it will be “No one has done more for Isreal and the Jewish people than me.” And if that still doesn’t work we will get the “Best Speech Evah on Isreal and the Jewish People.”
If it were anyone but Obama the MSM would be all over this and it would be the end of his political aspirations. I wonder how the MSM will spin this one.
It’s nearly impossible to find tin foil to make hats out of these days.
Aluminum foil won’t block the government’s mind-control rays, it just gives you a false sense of security. That’s why the government outlawed tin foil back in the late 60’s.
lililam is right about the Christian fundamentalists — they are very strong supporters of Israel & often quote the passage in the bible where Jehovah tells Israel “I will bless those who support you” etc.
The one area where the fundies & I agree.
Regency: hear, hear. I simply can’t believe NC is a tossup and that Georgia is considered reach-able for Obama.
Plus, Virginia?! No way, no how, unless everybody in Newport News stays home.
So I sent that article to my mom and told her to send it to every Jew she knows. I got this response from her:
The Obamaniacs are unbelievable in their furor and wrath and nastiness.
My oldest friend, from 3rd grade, to whom I sent the article, sent me a tirade, and I had to remind her that she has me mixed up with another of her friends. I had not sent her anything up to now, rather she sent me something about Palin and I was just returning the favor. We were now even.
Another one from the Temple, who ruined my Passover and Saturday services, also went into a frenzy. I reminded her that she started it with her mouthings about Obama at Passover and at services.
I also told both of them that their attitude did not seem to be fair play.
myiq2xu
ahh…but there are always those that have their secret stashes of tinfoil and cuban cigars…;)
I talked to a Jewish lady in the parking lot of my office building because she and another man were having a conversation next to my car, and I heard them talk about France and anti-semitism. I told them I had lived there and that so many of the people I met openly said they didn’t like Jews. She said she had never experienced any discrimination there. I turned the conversation to Obama and pointing to my McCain bumpersticker, I told them that Obama’s stance on Israel was one of the things that made me not support him. She said she thought the US was too rigid in its stance on Israel.
madmaab, and any other Jewish friends here. Do you find a lot of your Jewish friends saying anything similar? Are American Jews going soft on Israel in your experience?
Gary – Oops! LOL Oh well, I’ve always had a big soft spot for Sadges.
Myiq – I thought you were supposed to be a scary clown, not a funny one. LOL!
:-p
We all know where the Big Dawg stashed his cubans
Mawm – none that I know of. But I do have Jewish friends who firmly believe that Obama “Stands with Israel”. They have to engage in self-deception or they would have to vote Republican.
The Spectator has the latest:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2293196/pinch-yourself.thtml
that whole Chicago scene makes no sense out here in CA.
how they act, and what they do, and why — but they all seem to be tied up with Ayers & Dohrn in an old 60’s radical mode — like they never left it — Ayer’s book is telling about how he wants to smash monogamy, patriarchy and what he calls white supremacy –
at this point?
it really does look like Marxism/Stokely-style.
Seriously.
All I can say is — what is Chicago? I have no idea — but, whatever they are I don’t think Ayers should be part of running this place at this time…
WHERE IS HILLARY? On all this.
I feel so cheated you cannot even believe it — and this is a nightmare after the last eight years.
Hillary was just what we needed. Not Ayers, not Wright, not a Chicago ideology that can’t possibly fit this country right now.
It’s just unreal the more you read. Unreal.
madamab:
I’m a comedian – Captain Spaulding is the clown
Mawm – I don’t think there is any softening in support of Israel from a foreign policy standpoint.
I do think, however, that people are just tired of the constant violence and want peace more than anything.
I see Israel as having the same problem we do. They have a democratically elected government that does not represent the views of the majority. (Although that may change soon. Yay!)
However, it is clear that when it comes to the Middle East, Israel has got to be our first priority. I don’t think there’s a Jew in the universe who would disagree with that.
OK now I am offended-Obama for America is anti-semetic! Isn’t saying someone is anti-semetic an other way of saying they are R@cist? or am I out in left field here?
Oh for bringing this up we are surely going to be tagged R@cist again-how boring!
What Jesse Jackson has said is troubling on so many levels. In the past few years there has been a growing resurgence of anti-semitism. Obama with his many anti-semitic connections and now with this Jesse Jackson quote appears to be condoning it by not vehemently attacking it. Half-a$$ed condemnation is not enough, because this attitude is so very dangerous. I don’t like it. Obama has an obligation to come out strongly against this. It is time to purge his campaign of all of his anti-semitic friends. Talk is cheap Obama do something about this now!
It will be interesting to see what happens here in Florida. Obama has accused McCain of wanting to privatize SS, and has promised seniors under 50k no taxes. McCain did suggest that he is in favor of letting people invest part of the SS into a private acct, but I’ll bet he knows it will never fly.
Will people vote their ideology or their hope for a tax break? Money is a powerful motivator.
Big Dawg has stashed his cubans under my bed. Y u ask?
Jews weren’t the only ones fighting for civil rights for black americans. Women and gays were there, too. and at every juncture,black americans thumbed there noses at other movements and crossed the picket lines. That isn’t a general condemnation of all blacks, that is a statement of fact about the relativilty of social movements in America.
JJ’s comments should come as no surprise, but most people won’t hear them, or won’t pay attention. ADD is the reason we got Bush for eight, and itis the reason weare flirting with the current megalomaniac.
Fl Voter, are you serious? If Obama came out tonight and denied it, are you telling me you would believe him? Jesse Jackson and his family have know Obama for what 20 years! I think he knows what Obama believes, and if not, because Obama has been hiding from this black Liberation friends and JJ family, that doesn’t speak well for Obama either.
Would you feel better believing that Obama has been living a lying life to his Chicago cronies?
[...] Tuesday in the Chicago Sun-Times, and said he enjoys a close relationship with the Obama family. Jesse Jackson: Obama will end Zionist rule in America. The Confluence —————————————— creepy.. __________________ [...]
A lot of white people died for civil rights or made huge sacrifices. But JJ and his cronies do not care about them.
SM,
I had the exact same thought when I read that story. Jesse Jackson did this deliberately. Amir Taheri, the author of that story is the same journalist who wrote the story a couple of weeks ago about Obama trying to secretly negotiate with Iraqi leaders! Why would Jackson talk to him?
Jesse Jackson is no dummy. Plus he HATES Obama. That’s obvious. Not only is Obama not doing anything for black people, but Jacksons own son has turned on his own father for Obama’s sake. I’m going to be really interested to see how Obama gets out of this one.
fuzzybear – There is a lot of antisemitism in the AA community. I am Irish-Catholic, and my husband is Jewish. I didn’t change my last name when I got married. I’ve been in situations where people have said extremely antisemetic , assuming that it was OK with me. (”She’s not ‘one of them.’”)
Unfortunately, some of the worst stuff I heard was from AA coworkers. Some of statements I heard was that Jews got rich by cheating people, that Jews are cheap, that they are two-faced. Also there was prejudice against Jewish religious practices.
Just look at the campaign strategy of Odinga and as alleged, Obama put together. the similarities are striking.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1200846405/last-1200846405/ODM
–core supporters are young people
–align with select group of political power families (Kennedys)
–mass media domination
–triggering “class war” (race card)
–use/threats of violence in the event of loss (riots?)
–”Prepare ground for rejection of unfavourable results (race card anyone?)
etc. etc. etc.
and Odinga’s slogan on his website? “Change”
http://www.raila07.com/
Coincidence….I think not. I can’t wait till this breaks. There are piles of pictures of Obama campaigning for Odinga. And it is an accepted fact that Obama’s presence made a huge difference in support for Odinga. God i hope this one works. It is the one with the greatest level of evidentiary support.
Who is not under the bus at this point? Latte Liberals? AAs may think they’re still on the bus, but they’re under it too.
I guess there’s under the bus like we are, and then there is under the bus drinking kool-aide.
My feeling is that Jesse spoke candidly. And he has reason to know that Obama feels the same – at least on the Hymietown issue.
why couldn’t he say this on US soil then? I’m sick of these guys saying one thing in one place and another in another place. Say it to our faces, Jesse!
TheRealKim, I’m with ya. I’ve said before that I’d vote for Rev. Wright before I’d vote for Obama. At least Wright doesn’t hide who is or lie to your face. And, frankly, he’s a helluva lot more charming than the Empty Suit on the top of the Dem ticket.
Remember Samantha Power, who “resigned”? She is all about Palestinians and has said similar things as JJ.
I heard on My Two Cents last night that Hannity was threatened with some kind of lawsuit if he had Corsi on. ?????
Legal department may have made him hold this thing.
You know what I love about you myiq? We can always count on you to “go there.”
Joan, remember his foreign policy advisor former General McPeak who said that the biggest thing impedeing peace in the middle east was the Jewish lobby in the States?
I tghink the best place to open the pandora’s box is for Mac to blurt it out tommorow night. Then the media will HAVE to cover.
I don’t know that Hannity’s producers are worried about legal action. Just showing the pictures of him campaigning with Odinga and giving Odinga’s background and story would be enough. The emails are just icing.
More of what Jesse had to say:
NH,
No, I would not believe Obama. But letting it stand with just a denial that JJ does not speak for the campaign is not enough. Too long has Obama had too many anti-semetic people associated with his campaign, and too many anti-semetic backers. Obama says that he does not support them, but he doesn’t purge his campaign backers, staffers and advisors. He must return their money, kick them out of his campaign and inner circle, and adamantly come out against them. As a sitting US Senator this is his moral obligation. His failure to do so portrays the US as a country that would condone an anti-semetic view point.
No, I do not believe Obama, but this has broader implications than his political aspirations, which should have ended based on comments such as JJ’s.
One last thing, promise.
Really, Jesse? That’s why every time someone says his middle name he scream race card? Or every time someone fails to give what he feels is an adequate defense of his Christianity, he screams race card? It’s official, Jesse. I’m throwing you under the bus.
Yea, it’s really amazing for us goys to hear anti-semitism from people you’d think would know better. I’ve heard anti-semitic and just downright rude statements from whites and blacks. I think it is acceptable in our society along with being sexist and calling white from small towns r@cists. The Obama campaign has taken whatever has become “acceptable” yet offensive and used it to their advantage in this election while whining about how everyone else they’ve offended is r@cist, zionists, or bitches. Seriously, this needs to end and I hope someone like Hillary Clinton can help heal our country after Obama gets through dividing and conquering America.
“What kind of presidency would that be that doesn’t allow for accountability and transparency?!?”
um….George W. Bush’s third term?
George W. Bush 1st and 2nd term?
Looks like Obie’s already thrown JJ Sr. back under the bus. Madamab, if you’re around, you wanna do a quick skit of what the new “Letter to My Father” by JJ Jr. will sound like.
Alice, re: Good grief, Zionists controlling America, are we down to this level?
Republicans have been arguing against this crap for more than 40 years.
I remember a Democrat I was arguing with back in the ’60s who made the claim that the news media was “controlled by Zionists” and pointed to the name of one of the main editors in the Time-Life company as proof– “Greenburg”.
I did a little research and found out that this particular “Greenburg” was a man of GERMAN ancestry whose family changed their name to the Anglic form “Greenburg” during WWI. And that was back when you actually had to go to a library to do research. So I pointed out that editor’s history to that person, and added that a Jewish-sounding name doesn’t necessarily add up to a “Zionist”. It didn’t phase that person at all. The media was STILL “controlled by Zionists”.
And that was back in the ’60s. There were a LOT of extremist views held then, but this one has always been just below the radar– I’ve been hearing it come up from time to time over the intervening years.
Mountain Sage-That guy that did the video is a Wingnut. “Burning Down the House” was a total hatchet job on Democrats. It’s lies twisted to look like facts. It’s not appropriate to keep promoting him here. I don’t think RD would approve of his propaganda at all. Thanks.
What a Surprise….NOT
Barack Obama’s campaign rejects Jesse Jackson’s claim that “Zionists” would lose clout under an Obama administration.
Read the full report at FOXNEWS
I can back that up Arabella, I was talking to a devout AA Christian about how how our christian practices are rooted in many jewish traditions….she would not buy it from me shesaid would ask her preacher I told her about the Torah a being the first 5 books of the bible and that most of the rest of the “old testament” was from other jewish witings.
The blank stares were unbelievable!
If I know Jesse Jackson like you know him BB, Jesse Jackson DID IT ON PURPOSE.
Payback is bitch and and Jesse couldn’t cut off Obama’s gonads as he said on Fox.
So what’s left to derail Teflon Obama? Jesse went with his learned lesson of “DON’T F__K with the JEWS” – which according to Jesse, Obama WILL.
A convoluted W.O.R.M. will come out, then you’ll have Hamas & Hezbollah praising Obama – and then wrap, print, CUT!
Sarah today said Obama has to rein in ACORN, which evidently ticked off The Messiah because he said she/Repubs were just trying to suppress the vote.
heh, heh. She sure knows how to get under his [thin] skin. I say Sarah is the only one forcing Obama to answer to anything.
Look Isreal is the only parlimentary democracy in the middle east it has extended gay and lesbians rights and was one of the first countries to drop its blanket ban on LGBT military service.
Abandoning Isreal today would have been like FDR abandoning Brittian in 1939-1940 when it was the only democracy left in Europe fighting Facism!
fuzzybear – I was the white person in a department . I was appalled at the antisemitism. But the anti-gay comments really shocked me.
Thank goodness for Sarah Palin! I’m so grateful to have her fighting for us.
Can’t wait till my Sarah as Rosie the Riveter “We Can Do It” button arrives.
have not read the entire blog yet — i am watching Fox and Hillary is saying almost 0 chance of her running again. I think that’s a big ploy to try and get her followers like us to vote for barry hussain — i say – nice try
I know now Iraq is a”parlimentary Democracy” too that needs to be catered to and nutured…horse feathers!
from the capital fax blog.
McCain advisers say they’re saving their best material for the last ten days of the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama. When the urgency of the presidential election impresses itself, the hope is that these voters will swing back to the familiar, rather than the unknown.
If Hillary doesnt run we will find another qualified woman to lead our party to reform.
SIMOFISH: Exactly!
Don’t believe the HYPE. She can’t say anything until after the election.
I said this yesterday!!!
I said the best fireworks will come AFTER the last debate.
I don’t think it’s a ploy at all. If she says anything else, she’ll be crucified. I don’t get all this ploy stuff. Obie =/=Hillary. We knew she was gone for 2008 and we still weren’t voting for him. If he’s dumb enough to run in 2012 he still won’t be Hillary.
No ploy. Besides, “Probably near zero” is not an answer. She made a point of saying 0 chance at majority leader and zero chance at supreme court, but running again? “Probably near zero.”
We have 4 years to test her on that.
madameb- I am a secular partial Jew, too, so I hope you didn’t think i was saying all secular Jews support obama- far from it. I should have stated that it is hard to find an observant Jew that does. I think there are tons of secular Jews that are against Obama, but those that I’ve seen support him do so naively and from a non-observant standpoint, if that calrifies my remark any.
I want to know why we haven’t be hearing much about the Berg lawsuit. I just read about it all today, and it seems right on to me. Why won’t Obama release his birth documents? John McCain did. How about his records from Occidential, Columbia & Harvard? Hum? What’s the big secret? I want to know.
I think Hillary is bluffing! I cannot wait till when Big Dawg is “off the chain” after Obama’s defeat!
Fuzz: I don’t even think she was bluffing. I think she was hedging.
What the hell is going on in Chicago? That place sounds like crackhouse of radicalism and crooks. Everything leads back to Chicago, and everyday some kind of nuttiness emerges.
Amazing fuzzybearqville
You know that anti-Semitism is alive and well in Sunday School classes when so-called Christians have no clue that Christianity sprang directly from Judaism. Jesus Christ was a proud Jew who said that his teachings were consistent with the Torah.
Rev. Wright taught hate for America while Rev. Jackson teaches hate for the Israel.
LiliLam I love the jewish service at temple Beth’El in Pensacola I would attend to hear my partner and his best friend Cantor together the sound of the voices and the emotion in the service is moving….and even though I know very little Hebrew I understood every thing going on!
When Barry Hussain gets a good butt kicking on Nov 4th — I hope Hill & Bill secretly are jumping up and down like the rest of us. I hope Bill comes out and smacks him along the head pubically.
Regency I really agree with you!
I am still the self appointed Co-Chair for the Committee to Draft Hillary Clinton for President 2012!
I hope Hillary puts on a 5 inch sharpie stilleto(sexy aint she) an drive the heel right tinto Obama and deans Crotch!
I’m 3rd chair, Fuzzy!
fuzzybear- I agree- they are beautiful. My father spoke Hebrew and my friend’s dad was a Cantor, but my mom was a gentile, so I was raised as a non-entity, so to speak. I have attended some Jewish services and have tried to keep to some traditions, and have family in Israel, so am very sensitive to remarks such as the above.
She already did it to Dean. That’s why we can’t find him; he’s still trying to recover.
myiq2xu,
I looked and there is no big mean message on your blog, unless you deleted it?
This is from Martin Peretz’s blog at The New Republic. Peretz is extremely pro-Israel. Apparently he buys Obama’s lies. But he agrees with SM and me that Jesse Jackson is deliberately trying to kneecap Obama:
It is okay-my family hwas military and we had lots of jewish friends. My partner Douglas was a wonderful singer and musician I miss him terribly he loved religious music on friday it was Temple Beth’El, Saturday it was St Michael the ArchAngel and on Sunday it was Holy Cross MCC-I feel a special connection to the creator.
To this day I am convinced that he was called to eternity early so he could continue his passion not bound by the limitation of the corpreal world!
Mawm,
re your comment that France is anti jewish. The current french president, Sarkozy, is jewish as well as the secretary of state. There are plenty of jewish people in the french establishment incl the current head of the IMF Strauss-Kahn.
Awww. Fuzzybeargville, that’s so sweet. I’m so sorry for the loss of your dear partner
Marsha
I was thinking this over as I drove in to work today. I thought back to January and how I made a promise to myself that I would stand by Hillary till the end. I’d see this thing through.
And as far as I’m concerned that’s exactly what I’m doing. Even though there’s no way I’d vote for Obama simply because he is a liar, a sexist and a sham, I’m also keeping my January promise by voting for the McCain/Palin ticket and actively voting against the man who stole the nomination from the better candidate who just happened to be a woman. I’m not sitting this one out and I’m not voting third party. I’m in all the way.
bostonboomer great “snippet” from the article!
I think Big Dawg and JJ SR will distroy Obama!
Along with a whole host of characters…and I applaud them all!
Portia9. Good post. Thanks for eliminating the confusion for some people and the scandal-mongering, god-cursed, tabloid paparazzi (i.e., MSM) As a moderate-conservative in differing degrees for the last 22 years, I’ve always had respect for liberalism. In addition, to me liberal means smart, streamlined, efficient government administered by real dedicated public servants who believe in system of checks and balances and a level playing field that enhances the free market. In time of war, you define the mission clearly, make sure of your facts and intent, get in and get out. Real conservatism by the way is measured by adherence to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights
Yeah if this gets out Florida is a lock.
I have a feeling Jackie Mason, the Ultimate Jew, will pick up on this soon. Can not wait.
fuzzybeargville, what a wonderful tribute to your partner. It brought tears to my eyes. He sounds like an such a lovely and special person. My condolences on your loss.
Homophobia is alive and well. I recently started a new job on a reality TV show about high school teens that airs on a network targeted at young teens. (I’d rather not name either, to protect the innocent, as they say.) I’m not sure anyone I work with knows I’m gay, so comments like “that’s so gay” (not a compliment) and “he’s such a fag” are rampant. It’s coming from 20-somethings. The TV show we’re working on includes many interviews with high school students discussing a specific student in their school, and there’s hardly an interview that does not feature these teens using the word “fag” and “he/she is so gay” (again, not meant as a compliment.) Hearing these things from a younger generation has opened my eyes about homophobia that’s out there, alive and well and kicking.
Gmx17-I respect your decision I am leaning that way to even though I had a polster tear into me for not “doing the poll right”
See all the answers I gave lead the polster to believe I would support Obama. When the time came to say who I was going to vote for I said Leaning Strongly for McCain/Palin.
The young man said it didnt make any sense that I should hold every liberal position and vote Mccain.
I said exactly-isnt that what makes America great?
I dont belive it was a true poll though because the questions were so slanted.
See this video featured at Savage Politics: Old crabby man says lets give Obama a chance:
Great story, fuzzybeargville.
I’m sure I’d make a pollster’s head explode. I’m still sending money to Cynthia McKinney! I really admire that woman and I want to support her. But living in Virginia I don’t have the luxury of voting for her.
Hillary 2012!
DYB: What’s so weird is that in my circle of friends (most of us of a really very gay nature) never use words like that in a derogatory fashion. That’s so gay usually refers to well, gayness, but not something negative. I guess I just got the lucky bunch. I know a bunch of people who use it negatively and I hate that. I thought my generation was supposed to be better than that.
vivienne- there is also a large Sephardic population in France due to post-war emigration from North Africa. However, the muslim immigrants from these same areas outnumber the Sephardim.
atypical – I LOVE Old Grumpy/Crabby guy – he has this John Cleese on Wellbutirin effect that I LOVE.
But that Peretz article evokes sympathy for Obama; it sounds just like the media pitying poor O for the jealous and mean Jeremiah kneecapping.
If this is deliberate, that would mean the Repubs have a Jesse video that would damage Obama and they have to kick Jesse under the you-know-what.
gxm17, I am really beginning to like Cynthia McKinney too. I want very much to vote for her. She is a write-in candidate in CT, but did not get on the ballot as printed. If McCain says he’ll put social security in a lock box though he has my vote–just because it would mean he really is reading my email.
Although her ideological opposite in many ways, I like McKinney viscerally. However, her running mate Rosa Clemente is into a hip hop anti-culture which is objectively misogynist, regardless of anything Rosa can do to fight it from the inside.
parentofed,
Of course. Marty Peretz supports Obama. Therefore he doesn’t believe Obama is pro-Palestinian, even though Obama has made numerous statements to that effect and he has been endorsed by Hamas. Peretz, like many other wealthy liberals is wearing blinders because he is in love with making Obama President. He is a fool.
Didn’t you think it was funny that Peretz also thinks Bill Clinton is trying to destroy Obama? I agree with him. Jesse did this on purpose.
gxm — I got my Rosie the Riveter “We Can Do It” Sarah Palin Bumper Sticker — it is already on my back window — right across from my “H” Hillary sticker.
I’ll try not to be rude here, Kathy et al, but McKinney is a serious wingnut. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why anyone out there is thinking of voting for her. Though she knew better, she was instrumental in pushing the theory that during Katrina the floodwalls in NOLA were dynamited to destroy poor black neighborhoods. Talk about being racially divisive.
OK, OT, but…the One reaches new heights. Now it seems that we have Obamalanterns to look forward to this Halloween: http://yeswecarve.com/help/.
Please make it STOP!
aw fuzzy — I’m so sorry you lost your partner — he sounds like he was great.
Kathy and johninca, I love the video of McKinney grilling Rumsfeld. Who can see her stand up to him refusing to back down or be talked over and not LOVE her! Okay, that’s my Cynthia gushing for the night.
angie, I love it! I ordered a Rosie/Sarah button for me and one for my daughter. But I spoiled the surprise by blabbing about it on the phone tonight. She was so excited and can’t wait to wear it. She even wants me to buy her a Sarah shirt (the pink one) so I’ll have to see if I can find out who sells it. She’s never been into politics like this before so it’s oodles of fun that we’re both Sarah fans.
I’m outta here for the long drive home. See you all later tonight!
I was hopping around and went to the Drudge Report. They have a link for a CBS/NYTimes poll that gives Obama a 14 POINT LEAD??! Right below it is Rasmussen with 5 pts., and Zogby with 6. How can they even pretend they know what they are doing?
Kat5, McKinney’s claim about what happened during Hurricane Katrina’s aftermath doesn’t sound all that crazy to me. It’s the Bush Cheney regime we are talking about! But it’s OK if you think she’s crazy. I would rather vote for a crazy person who believes the death penalty is wrong, FISA is wrong, gun control is right, real alternative energy is right, etc. A comment on this thread or the last one mentioned how Hitler’s victims didn’t see it coming and Obama seems totalitarian. (Not sure these are the exact words.) I agree Obama seems totalitarian–but so do Bush and Cheney. I don’t lump McCain in with them, and I could vote for him, but I OWN MY VOTE. And it might go to McKinney.
gxm17, I agree, it sure is a pleasure to see a Congresscritter actually do her job.
McKinney has her own baggage but overall my impression is positive.
It pays to remember that most black prison inmates “convert” to Islam during incarceration. Islam is spreading through the black community at a record rate. The idea is to expunge Israel off the map and Obama, Wright, Jackson, are in concert with this philosophy.
I am not shocked to see these sentiments hit the light of day only that they are being announced 3 weeks before the election. They must be super confident of victory for this egregious statement to be publicized. Let’s see how the MSM and the Jewish community react.
There is indeed an agenda going on here folks and Obama is merely the instrument. Crazy as it sounds, I am more and more beginning to believe this.
I have an iphone and you can down load applications to it such as news, games, business applications etc.
I saw an obama application to download — I didn’t check it out any further – but thought — WTF.
fuzzy — sorry for your loss, even in the short words you used your love came through so strong.
Whoa, Kathy, the Bush administration most definitely did not bomb any floodwalls in NOLA. There are many real sins to attribute to Bush and company, but bombing (at least in this country) is not among them. I lived in NOLA when McKinney was pushing the floodwall angle, and took great, great exception to her further racializing Katrina. What she did was really dishonorable; the city most definitely didn’t need the added bad PR. You’re right that you own your own vote. But it’s always a good policy to know as much as possible about who you’re voting for.
I’m familiar with the video of McKinney grilling Rumsfeld, which I think was McKinney at her best. (Rumsfeld, I might add, is a longtime member of the infamous Bilderberger group, which includes bipartisan hacks like Vernon Jordan, Henry K, Christopher Dodd and so on).
However, it hardly seems consistent to declaim against misogyny on a site like this, while embracing a McKinney campaign which panders to hip hop, which is the ultimate in misogyny and disrespect for women.
Shouldn’t Jackson be “reprimanded” for making these ra*cist comments regarding Jews? Oh wait, this is not ra*cist since he is allied with the Obama campaign and those charges are legitimate. After all, like John Lewis, he marched with MLK.
We are ra*cists for thinking otherwise. This whole election is stomach turning. Imagine voting for someone with these suspect ties and policies. Obama, the president of all of us? No freaken way!
And Cynthia McKinney is insane!!
Pat: I think so, too. I’m not a hyper-thinker. I tend to analyze and chew things over before I make a decision. Don’t know whether that’s because I’m a librarian or a Libra, and it doesn’t mean I’m “right” a lot of the time. And I really object to demonizing opponents.
But, I’m beginning to truly fear an Obama presidency, and not because I think he would be incompetent. That Odinga story is just chilling. I do believe Obama really wants to move us to a more-Muslim friendly and more Arab-friendly country, and to a more welfare country, and I don’t think we know where this will lead.
There is too much radicalism around Obama, and we can’t get any straight answers from him or the media. Just the way it was with Bush/Cheney. And I’m beginning to think Obama’s scarier than that bunch.
I agree, Pat, the whole affair is stomach turning. I’m seeing many of the wretched dynamics which played out in New Orleans (and nearly destroyed the city before Katrina), being played out on a national stage. We have Obama, above all, to thank for this.
Because the MSM refused to do their rightful job we are stuck with this suspect nominee who carries so much radical baggage we have no idea of where he has been or where he intends to go. He should have been disqualified months ago. Now we must deal with the possibility of being led over the cliff by the likes of him, nutbag supporters, a compliant congress and a radical element who wish to get even.
Where are those pols who should be openly questioning these statements? Right. Nowhere to be found. And you ask why we do not trust a single one of them. Shameful if he gets in and there could have been a way to prevent it from happening. If and when that day comes I intend to hold each and every one liable.
fuzzy- When my Dad, who owned a Deli, died when I was eight, my uncle told me that God needed someone to slice the baloney and that my Dad was the best He could find. I always thought of Heaven as the All-star team after that. I bet the seventh inning stretch is out of this world.
Not that I want to argue about McKinney, but…it’s true I haven’t learned everything about her like I have with Clinton and Obama. I studied and compared and weighed and I am tired! Really tired. I made it my business to know who the best candidate was, voted for her, saw her winning, and then poof, just like the Gore presidency, gone. So I really don’t care too much who I vote for as long as it is not Obama. But it is hard for me as a lesbian to cast a vote for McCain, despite a personal good record on gay issues, because he politically does not support people like me. And there are other things I do not like about McCain that are very serious. McKinney won’t be president. I was going to sit out completely, but I began to fear my vote might be hijacked, so I found the least objectionable candidate for me, someone who is liberal still. I am casting a protest vote. I figured that could best be visible with McKinney. I may on Nov. 4 tick the box with McCain’s name on it, but then it is mixed in with all the Republican votes and if McCain wins, which I believe he will, Republicans will claim they have a mandate, which they always claim if they win. I am not giving them a mandate. I don’t want a hate-gays-parade. If I did, i would vote Obama.
vivienne westwood, I sort of would like to walk that back. I shouldn’t say the French are anti-semitic, because that is painting the whole group that way. What I should have said is that I met many vocally anti-semitic people during the two years I lived in Paris, and I was totally surprised by this. Before I lived there, I never thought I would encounter that in contemporary France. I was very naive. It was 1987-1989.
Also, I have to acknowledge that I could have just had a very skewed experience when I was there.
angelasmith,
I know you are not on now but I am one of a few Republicans who frequents this blog. I don’t agree with your theory. The fact is that Farrakhan, Jackson and Wright are all rabidly anti-semitic, anti-white and loathe America. They also have big mouths and cannot help themselves. BO has been trying to cover up this fact for two years now. Bill Ayers is a self-loathing white guy whose father was CEO and chairman of the board of the power company in Illinois. Who knows what Pfleger’s story is.
If you want to know how the game is played in Chicago, follow the money. ACORN, the Rainbow Coalition, the Daley patronage machine (aka the Cook County Democratic Party) and even the Chicago mob are all bedfellows. What we are reading in the press is not even 1% of the story, you can bet on it.
I never did understand why so many Jews vote Democratic. Republicans have been saving Israel’s hide since Eisenhower. Now they are supporting the disciple of Wright and Farrakhan? Makes no sense…
The main problem the Republicans have is the stock market. McCain’s only hope is that the markets settle down and the spotlight can once again focus on the most unknown, most inexperienced, most narcissistic and most corrupt candidate ever nominated by a major party for President of the United States.
How ironic that some on this thread are actually considering voting for McKinney, an anti-Semitic nutjob who makes Jesse Jackson look like a friend of the Jews. Please take a good look at her background, her past comments about Jews, and the people she associates with!
New post up top
The American jews just cannot trust Obama and now they
know from his close friend Rev. Jackson how he is going to
treat them. It would be foolhardy to vote for Obama, he is not
a person they could depend on..he changed his promise on
Jerusalem earlier in the year.
Take care, vote McCain for safety.
Good fortune, Senex, Ireland
@Regency 5:32 PM
“Big Dawg has stashed his Cubans under my bed.”
So is this one of those times when a cigar is just a cigar?
((((((((honora & uncle & dad!)))))))))
Good one Dave.
OK, I can leave.
Re: Cynthia McKinney, nutjob, anti-Semite, etc.
I refuse to discuss politics with anyone these days. After months of marketing and psy-ops, people are just too whacked out about it. When pressed, I will say I’m voting for McKinney. It’s a quick way to head off accusations of r’cism, rightwingery, etc., and seems to satisfy people’s need for assurance that everyone, darling, is voting in some roughly correct manner. In fact, I’m voting for McCain.
Just sent a an email to letters@nypost.com
With the MSM ignoring all these, I am sure, the New York Post will take some action.
I urge the other members to send them an email about this.
Pat Johnson
I believe the islamic and black community have one thing in common: blame others for their shortcomings rather then take responsibility.
It is easier for some Islamic states to blame the US and Israel for their failing economies then to address the failings of their own leadership. The same in Africa, it is always the burden of colonialism, rarely the mismanagement of the local gov’ts.
Ann On, LOL! That’s what I do too. Only my family knows that I’m voting for McCain/Palin.
And, at work, I let them all think that I’m voting for Obama and just cross my fingers that no one ever bothers to actually ask. I’m a terrible liar but you should hear the non-answers I have to come up with when someone wants to discuss politics. It’s embarrassing because I’m almost as good as BO at ambiguous dialog!
You all know when it will come out -after the election when some MSM nutjob wants to get noticed – there will be tons of books with all the information in it – unfortunately egos still rule.
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mullah cimoc say fat, corrupt pig name jesse jackson finally say one true. but him still fat and corruption pig.
now time for ameriki care about ameriki, to deport or to prison it neocon spies in white house, pentagon and usa media.
who am william kristol? Am it israeli agent? Why him magazine never to make profit but just to happpy rupert murdoch. am murdoch israeli neocon agent? for to answer this question ameriki need google: +”Robert Maxwell” +mossad
dumb ameriki keep the stupid by usa media. for this nobody of ameriki know maxwell him first rupert murdoch.
now ameriki suffer so much and to future suffer because lose soul, become feminize, not man now just sissy. him son the gay homosexual and fag, it daughtrer slut take LBT (low back tattoo), wife to lesbian hate man not to cook any more. this the punish for feminize amriki mans.
You bet he will! He’s going to Cut and Run, if there is any kind of slippery missiles while Obama sends the US Troops into Afghanistan and forces the US Troops into Pakistan, to be able to say, “See, I caught Osama Bin Laden in record time, now where’s my sweet patata pie”.
If by chance, Israel OR Iran sends a missile to either or, Obama WILL NOT STAY THERE FOR ISRAEL.
He’s gotten what he wants from the Media, to get himself elected, and the Jews of Israel and the United States will finally have learned, you don’t make deals with a Con Artist! Understand!
I grew up around guys juz like Obama. Yup, Inglewood, Compton and Lynwood my brothers and sisters, and I will tell you now, he’s not going to hang around to fight any World War 3, or any other War for Israel.
You wanna’ play, you gotta’ be ready to loose!
You wanna’ bet with the big boys, you best be ready to take it like a man and accept you got played by the King of Playaz!
Been sayin’ this for months now, now you will finally notice cause’ Jesse said so.
Perhaps people on this link could benefit from this link-
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Rise+of+the+Fourth+riech
I’ts well documented and footnoted.
For an examination of critical memes in the melting economy, Obama and more, go to http://www.robertphoenix.com
There is an agenda alright – but I’m not at all sure that Obama is just a stooge for them. He was raised on Marxism, he has searched out radical connections everywhere he went. He learned at Frank Davis Marshall’s knee as a child.
The Socialist Party is very strong in Chicago with a lot of connections to politics, Obama, Wright, Ayers – the whole ball of wax. Obama has surrounded himself with a specific group of advisers and they are all pretty anti-Israel. They also seem to not have much interest in countries other than Africa – or at least that is their expertise. I follow the news in Israel (mostly because of an addictive interest in the Mid-East — they know there that Obama is not anyone they can trust. Israel needs a US President that will “send every plane” (old saying) in a time of need – the way Nixon did. I just don’t get the Jewish Americans would support The One. Obama scrubbed this page off his website a while back.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30241_At_the_Official_Obama_Site-_How_the_Jewish_Lobby_WorksLittle Green Footballs has been tracking the antisemitism for months now.
You all know when it will come out -after the election when some MSM nutjob wants to get noticed – there will be tons of books with all the information in it – unfortunately egos still rule.
Egos still rules
They also seem to not have much interest in countries other than Africa – or at least that is their expertise. I follow the news in Israel (mostly because of an addictive interest in the Mid-East — they know there that Obama is not anyone they can trust. Israel needs a US President that will “send every plane” (old saying) in a time of need – the way Nixon did. I just don’t get the Jewish Americans would support The One. Obama scrubbed this page off his website a while back.
Obama States: “”We don’t need ACORN’s help.” Another One Under The Bus???
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/14/obama_comments_on_acorn_contro.html
Excerpts from Obama: (click on above link for FULL statement)
He said he had further interactions with the group through its Chicago office, in his capacity as a local elected official. “But they are not advising our campaign,” Obama asserted. “We’ve got the best voter registration and turnout and volunteer operation in politics right now and we don’t need ACORN’s help.”
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LOL! Throwing yet ANOTHER person/group ‘under the bus’ – when he no longer needs them or they’re got him in trouble? Notice, he didn’t say anything about the $800,000+ money given to ACRON by HIS campaign.
ACRON – I meant “ACORN”
Hey, sarah silverman, how about the GREAT SCHLEB to McCain headquarters. Obama is NOT a friend of Israel, I don’t care what anybody tries to hide from us.
Well, I’ve always said that this was the ONE thing that MIGHT make me vote for Obama–a change in our immoral and obscene support of Israeli genocide as good foreign policy. It’s about time we had a serious discussion about just what we are supporting over there, but every one who dares to tread those waters is branded an anti-Semite. It shuts down any possible discussion the way any criticism of Obama is shut down with the “racist” epithet.
The only thing that consoles me is the knowledge that he never follows through on anything he professes to believe.
By the way, this is not to excuse anything anti-Semitic that Jackson said, but I don’t think it’s anti-Semitic to note that AIPAC has been a huge player in our Middle Eastern policies. And boy, haven’t they been a huuuuuuge success.
Actually, the real problem with that group was that it fronted for our illegal support of terrorists in South America. Previous to that it had cleared out a lot of its wackier anti-Semitic elements, to the point where the ADL praised it for doing so.
That said, McCain resigned from it in 1984.
So your point is?
Trying to argue who to vote for on issues of principle doesn’t fly among people who are protest voting. In any case, two dogs and a monkey would probably do a better job than our Democratic congress has done so far, so feel free to vote your conscience as we all are.
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I love that you put “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end. in bold like it’s a bad thing! Pop quiz: What’s the only expansionist nation on the planet? What’s the only nation building ghettos (juts like Uncle Adolf did for them back in the day) for an ethnic minority? What’s the only nation who’s regime is MORE fascist than Nazi Germany ever was? What nation is conducting a genocidal persecution against an ethnic group in their state? ISRAEL. If there’s one nation more responsible for totally shafting world security even that the USA, it’s ISRAEL.
you’re one sick fucker custador…gonna leave your comment just so that people know how anti-semitic your side is…disgusting.
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