The 30 Percent Solution: Why Democratic Women Are Voting for McCain/Palin

You Said It, Sister!
You Said It, Sister!

When I read Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney’s book, “Rumors of Our Progress Have Been Greatly Exaggerated,” I felt as if I had been sleep-walking through the past twenty years of my life. (I hope that soon I will have the long-promised interview with the Congresswoman for your reading pleasure, but she is obviously quite busy on her book tour!) Through a devastating, methodical collection of facts and figures, the Congresswoman builds an airtight case for her premise: American women have NOT come a long way, baby.

Sexual harrassment suits are still routinely filed at places that are designated by female-led organizations as woman-friendly. Women still make 77% less money than men for doing the same job. Although many other countries, including the not-so-forward-thinking Pakistan and India, have had female heads of state, we Americans are still not quite able to bring ourselves to elect a female president, although many qualified women have tried and failed. Our business community has little to no support for women who want to participate in the workforce; no places for breastfeeding, no help for those who need daycare, and maternity leave for most is a thing of the past, having been replaced by “disability pay” – as if having a child were a disability! And as for a woman’s right to control her own body, although 6 years of Republican control over Congress, the Executive Branch and the Supreme Court has not led to the overturn of Roe v. Wade, certain factions within the Republican Party never seem to stop trying to chip away at reproductive choice. Just recently, HHS Secretary Leavitt put forth a proposal erroneously declaring some forms of birth control as abortifacients, thus opening the door to more “conscientious refusals” by anti-choice health professionals to prescribe them. Finally, the ERA has been dead in the water since it failed to pass in the 1970′s, the last time that a demonstrated, concentrated push for womens’ rights occurred.

Maloney’s excellent book offers practical, real-world solutions for many of these problems; among them, lobbying for specific legislation and networking with women in business to get more females into the top slots in Fortune 500 companies. But when all is said and done, the overwhelming thing we all must do is to elect more women to local, state and federal government. Why? Because of the 30% Solution.

I had never heard of this statistic before reading this book (told you I was asleep), but apparently, it is a well-recognized fact that no significant progress is ever made on womens’ issues in any country unless the federal government is made up of at least 30% women. Our federal government is currently made up of 17% women, which explains why we have had such a difficult time moving forward. Womens’ voices are simply too few to be heard, despite their frequent screaming. A case in point: That HHS proposal mentioned above is being hotly and loudly contested by only two women: Hillary Clinton and Patty Murray. 28 of their Senatorial colleagues have signed onto their petition (note that supposedly fervent feminist Joe Biden is NOT on that list, although Barack Obama has signed it), but that is the extent of their advocacy. Why isn’t the Democratic Party screaming and yelling about this terrible blow against womens’ rights, as this blog suggests?

If 30% of the Senate and House were women, you can bet your increasingly-less-valuable paycheck that both parties would be feeling a lot more responsible to that constituency. But as it is now, the Democrats have gotten fat and lazy, assuming that we will hand them our votes no matter what they do, resting on their decades-old laurels and doing little or nothing to stop this horrendous attack on our reproductive freedoms. 

As I was reading this book, I noted the number of times the Congresswoman would be stymied by Republican resistance and Democratic indifference when trying to get important legislation into Committee. (The book was written before Democrats took over Congress.) Yet I also noted something interesting: When Ms. Maloney desperately needed bi-partisan support, it was nearly always a Republican woman who would give it to her - and not necessarily a “moderate” like Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, either. Was it possible that the 30% Solution could actually be party-blind? 

This year, and every year, I believe the answer is yes. The Democrats have utterly failed to demonstrate their commitment to womens’ rights by refusing to nominate the woman who was the clear winner of the primaries this year, favoring an illegitimate, unqualified and unelectable man instead. And indeed, they have been completely uninterested, with the exception of certain female legislators and leaders within the Party, in protecting and advancing womens’ rights by passing the ERA.

And to those of you that come here to berate me and other PUMAs, and can’t seem to acknowledge the historic nature of this election to women, you are missing a fundamental dynamic of the primary season. The main reason McCain picked Palin was to satisfy his conservative base, but he was also extremely aware of the pissed-off faction of the Democratic Party that has finally seen the impenetrably sexist nature of the Party we thought was our friend and advocate. And notably, the Republican Party is over the moon about Palin, whereas the supposed “feminists” and “left” bloggers had no problem attacking Hillary for her cleavage, body, wardrobe, allegiance to her husband, and a myriad of other Scary Vagina-based idiocies.

McCain and the Republicans are willing to elect a woman to the Executive Branch for the first time in the history of our country. They are advancing the 30% Solution. Obama and the Democrats are not, and are not. Do you get it now, Obamans?

It is time to make the Democratic Party take women seriously, for the first time since Mondale put Geraldine Ferraro on the Presidential ticket. It is time to acknowledge that, as Hillary said, Womens’ rights are human rights. And it is time to cast your vote for a woman this Election Day. I am casting my vote for two women, McKinney/Clemente, unless McCain comes close enough to win New York, in which case I will vote McCain/Palin at the top. And after this election, I am only casting my vote for women, unless I have no alternative.

It’s a numbers game, and thanks to the Democratic Party’s unconscionable rejection of Hillary Clinton this year, I have just become a single-issue voter. If the Democratic Party wants to earn my support by actually taking concrete action on behalf of women in the future, then let them. If they want to support women in the primaries, let them. If they want to use their increased Congressional power to get the ERA passed, let them. If they want to legislate Roe v. Wade on top of the established law of the land, as Hillary has proposed, let them. And if they want to put Hillary forward as the nominee in 2012, instead of taking every possible action to stop her from winning (including taking her two strongest states out of contention, changing the rules to overweight red-state caucuses to the detriment of large blue and swing states, awarding her delegates to her opponent, and intimidating and threatening her delegates into not voting for her at the Convention), then let them.

Otherwise, they will continue to be a Party divided on racial and sexual lines; a Party that thinks nothing of an African-American candidate who gains the support of 93% of AA’s by race-baiting, but is fauxraged at women who self-identified with Hillary and now Sarah Palin; a Party destroyed from within by the most divisive and destructive candidate in recent memory.

It’s up to you, Democrats. You can re-commit yourselves to social justice and gender equality, or you can continue on your path towards becoming the New Plutocratic Party. But be prepared to reap what you sow. Remember, pissing off your constituents, then blaming them for not voting for you, is never a good electoral strategy. Giving your constituents what they want, however, works every time.

Right, President McCain?

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280 Responses

  1. I shall read it. I’ll have the privilege of voting for her this November (I think she’s up for re-election this year)

  2. Hmm….an interesting comment from a statement on another PUMA site….and I did feel a bit bad for that person.

    I have to admit, I feel really weird today.
    I received a request for another donation from the DNC yesterday. I actually took the time to read it, out of curiosity. I have to admit that I feel a little sad that I cannot help them out. Have any of you felt this melancholy descend upon you for voting against everything you believe in? I’m not saying that I don’t believe in ANYTHING that the Republicans represent, but I have to say that the Democrats tend to represent MOST of what I am.
    However, I have felt SO disappointed in the DNC that I feel I have to let them know how they completely took ME for granted. I count, too. So, it’s with a heavy heart that I turn down their donation request. I just feel no joy in doing this. Am I in danger of voting along party lines?
    Hope not. I feel really weird, as I stated earlier. I think I will still vote for McCain, but I’m sad that it’s come to this.

  3. EOF – It’s really an incredible book. And every assertion is backed by credible, thorough research.

  4. I am off to bed but I can never resist one of your well researched posts. I am also going to Amazon to order Carolyn Maloney’s book because you recommended it. It is time women stood up for themselves and if it means reaching that 30% threshold, I am all for it.

    This could become a theme of PUMA following the November election. Now I must really lay down. My Jewish neighbor used to bring me chicken soup when she was not making the most delicious chopped liver EVAH! She is gone now but boy, do I wish I had a bowl of her soup!

  5. tom – Not me, I don’t feel bad. This is the first year I will vote for a Republican in my whole life.

  6. I agree 100% with you on this. One of the things I posted on my own site this past weekend, was that for all the country before party and country first memes, there is one fact that can never change: I am a woman, regardless of where I live or which party I belong to.

  7. What the DNC forgot:

    If mama ain’t happy ain”t nobody happy.

    The dnc showed its true colors this election and it aini’t pretty.
    Those colors have nothing to do with race.
    Isn’t sad that this disclaimer has to be made.

    I am a older woman who has been working since I was eighteen. There was no choice .
    When i was married and having children I still worked.
    I was the one with the medical insurance.
    I have been passed over for promotion for a man that I trained because I was married with 4
    children.
    I have been told that i was only working for extras while the men were supporting a family.
    Women working is not a new thing.
    How many women and children worked in factories in the early 1900s and before just to help feed there families.
    But we were taught we were the weaker sex.
    What a bunch of baloney.
    We were given a pat on the head and told look how far you have come.
    Remember “you’ve come a long way baby”
    This election cycle only made it more open.
    We can and will make a difference this time.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS , AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  8. I’ve had my eye on the book for bit now, but hadn’t actually ordered it yet. But now I have.

    I completely agree with the premise and came to a similar conclusion about the benign acceptable of sexism by the Democratic Party and the media, etc. in the primaries. Until you see a more significant number of women in elected office (particularly lower state levels) you won’t see increases and support for women nationally.

  9. Helen – Thank you so much for that perspective. And thank you all my sistren and brethren who understand this issue to their bones.

    PJ – Okay, NOW go to bed and have some chicken soup! Oy!

  10. excellent post, madamab
    I will also pick up Maloney’s book.

    There were three candidates on my primary ballot for Governor’s Council this morning.
    2 male, 1 female.

    I didn’t know anything about the woman candidate.
    I voted for her anyway.
    Not sure why-this is not how I normally operate.
    So, that was my vagina vote, I guess. :twisted:

    Feeling better about it after reading this post !
    Off to google that candidate now, wiht fingers crossed!

  11. Woo hoo! Righteous rant!

    Getting women into top positions isn’t necessarily helpful if they’re Pelosi-type, one-of-the-clubbers. Three of the worst employers I had were women “feminists” whose feminism consisted of feeling sorry for themselves as victims and limiting solidarity to other women they saw as their professional peers, not their female employees.

    It had no effect on my feminist principles, but it made me extremely skeptical that organized feminism would ever be of practical assistance to me. Sort of [proclaims] “We want to help the women of the world!” [lower voice] “Okay, maybe not you exactly…”

  12. uh-oh.
    am i in moderation for saying “vajay”?

  13. Arabella & Tom: I know the feeling and there are still moments when I am sad, but most of the time, I am just pissed. Pissed at the DNC for presenting me with a totally unelectable candidate. Pissed at all the former HRC supporters, like the inimitable Ms. Streisand, for falling in line. Pissed at the MSM for the misogyny and for refusing to be journalists. Pissed at the Obots for feeling like I must preface every statement with, I am not a racist. The list could go on and on.

  14. TOM! YES…

    I’m over angry now… and the thought of 4 more years of Republican economics makes me ill!

    but eghads…the NEW OBAMA PARTY… it stops me dead in my tracks…I ask, what IS IT I will be missing if these idiots are in control…

    We all know that if Obambi wins… the democratic party is going to turn into the neo-cons on the left and the center will be discarded in favor of every form of radicalism and bigotry they can manipulate. and did I mention the institution of Chicago political corruption installed at a national level!

    I WANT TO FIRE THEM ALL!

  15. Arabella & Tom: I know the feeling and there are still moments when I am sad, but most of the time, I am just pissed. Pissed at the DNC for presenting me with a totally unelectable candidate. Pissed at all the former HRC supporters, like the inimitable Ms. Streisand, for falling in line. Pissed at the MSM for the misogyny and for refusing to be journalists. Pissed at the Obots for feeling like I must preface every statement with, I am not a r@cist. The list could go on and on.

  16. or worse-making y’all look at Johnny Mac!
    I’ll get rid of him!

  17. “Women still make 77% less money than men for doing the same job.”

    Should that be 77 cents on the dollar? Or 33% less money than men doing the same job?

  18. I admire your courage and resolve, arabella. Many are used to helping the democratic party. Its gone on for so long, that its become like their DNA. If they don’t help the party, they feel distraught. It takes courage and resolve to recognize that it is like an abusive relationship, and that they should not go back at all. Untill the abuser is totally cleansed. :-)

  19. Dang, madam, I hung on every blessed word of this fabulous post. I do so love your voice. Glad to hear you are considering McCain, especially in such an unemotional way. That’s exactly the tack we need to take. I’m with you. 30%!

  20. There is more to the problem, though, than just electing more women.

    I think many women are just as sexist as men. It is a way of thinking. It may even be subconscious, but its a way of being in the world that assumes a patriarchal society.

  21. purplefinn – 77 cents on every male dollar.

    Call it the v*gina discount.

    Catarina – Are you out? Using the va-jay-jay word activates Spammy.

    Annabellep – I love your voice too. Thanks so much. I am tired of giving my loyalty to those who don’t deserve it. My new theme song is: “What Have You Done For Me Lately?”
    :-)

  22. I just got my new MORE magazine; it has Michelle on the cover. I had to read the name, she’s so air-brushed, and she’s wearing one of those updated Jackie Kennedy sheaths.

    Inside is a multipage spread on Carly Fiorina.

    Last month was the exchange between Linda Hirshman, who liked Hillary but says pro-choice is her priority, and that twit Rebecca Traister, who likes that she’s young.

  23. I’m currently reading “Failure Is Impossible,” which is a collection of Susan B. Anthony’s letters and speeches. Wow! She’s got me all fired up!

    To anyone who’s feeling guilty about crossing over to the other side to vote, Anthony wants you to hear this:

    “I am for woman suffrage and will work with any party of power that will help us. Remember I say “with,” not “for.”

  24. I voted inWomen Dems all my life since the 80′s — but as a California Dem, and I hope you HEAR THIS women I voted in –Feinstein, Boxer, Capps et al. YOU FAILED.
    You should have advanced, because you are DEM women, HILLARY CLINTON when you had the chance. RD showed us the “tea party” atmosphere you scrapbook around in.

    Well, if the Republican Party is BETTER for women? No problemo. I see you as failures, complete and UTTER FAILURES. I thought you were FEMINISTS.

    Like me, heterosexual — and like me — wanting to see women advance. I voted you in. You FAILED me in this election, as well as PUMAwomen everywhere.

    What will you do now to REFORM?
    What have you actually been doing for ANY OF US?

    HILLARY IS US! You couldn’t stand it could you?
    That it was going to be HER. Were you jealous?
    Maybe. Not the PUMAS, though.
    We know what SHE MEANT to ALL OF US!

    You failed the Sisterhood. You have lost any respect I might have had for you, and as California women, we led in this area — didn’t we?

    Getting women into office since FOREVER.
    You FAILED every one of our 18,000,000 votes.

    Know that.

  25. Mawm, I think the issue with women is that we have had to work twice as hard to get where we are that subconciously we look too hard at other women, because they could wreck our status quo. Not saying it is right, but if you are the token female and another comes along, your security could be in jeopardy.

  26. Helen, I agree! Women have always worked – on farms, at crafts, in markets, as others’ servants. And then did the care of their hommes and families on top of that. What is different now is that, dammit, we want control over what we do, and want the credit and the money that goes with it!

    BTW, my grandmother was one of the factory-working immigrants. She was actually hauled off to jail once for participating in a sit-down strike. I love that story my mom passed on, and wish I could have known her (she died soon after my folks married).

  27. Mawm – I absolutely agree with you. Women are taught that in order to be valid members of society, they must have the approval of men.

    Taking a strong feminist stance will usually enrage a large percentage of men, including those that will be in charge of any career you choose to pursue. On the other hand, tearing down strong women will earn you the approval you need, while having the added benefit of clearing the way for your own advancement.

    Following principles is never easy.

  28. madamab–Obama was one of the 28 signers according to your link; Biden was not. You may want to correct your statement above.

  29. Madamab, Another great post! If you hear of any NYC book events w/ Congresswoman Maloney, please let us know. I received notice for one in Albany, and hope she does one here in the city.

  30. Lol, this is funny….”Obama’s teleprompter hits the trail” (CNN)

    (CNN) — It appears Barack Obama’s teleprompter is hitting the campaign trail.

    The Democratic presidential nominee has never tried to hide the fact he delivers speeches off the device, though normally he doesn’t use one at standard campaign rallies and town hall events.

    But the Illinois senator used a teleprompter at both his Colorado events Monday — making for a particularly peculiar scene in Pueblo, where the prompter was set up in the middle of what is normally a rodeo ring.

  31. Oh my goodness, grayslady, how did I miss that? I swear I looked at that list several times.

    squinting

    I will correct it immediately. Thank you!

  32. I still don’t know how I’m going to vote in November. If someone doesn’t get a handle on this economic crisis we are all screwed.

    Mountain Sage

  33. madameb, as an Indian, I have to protest about your statement on ‘the not-so-forward-thinking Pakistan and India’. My last few years (not just the 2008 election cycle) in the United States have shown me that the West is atrocious on women’s rights in more insidious ways than India is, the misogyny is more virulent, and masculinity and macho-ism more celebrated here than in modern India.

    Just spend half a day watching Indian television and advertisements vs. American TV and you’ll know what I mean.

  34. vbonnaire: I am getting the feeling that maybe the Republican women are stronger as well and it infuriates me. I have always considered republicans to be the cigar smoking, corporate, back room, gentlemen’s club types. But damn if their women aren’t something to take a look at, they defended Palin in a way that the tea-party group never did. Why is that? Did they have to work harder to make it to where they are, where the liberal women allowed in only because they were women and it promoted the premise of liberalism? Were they like BO and just token females? It is really confusing.

  35. tom – I’m 56 and I’ve been working with the Democratic Party since High School.

    Times change. I am not angry, pissed, depressed or sad. I am resolved.

    And it feels great.

  36. The hubby, the Kid & I were very upset for awhile about losing the Democratic Party identity, but really, the pain is gone. I’m beginning to like this Indy freedom. I wasn’t sure the best time to change my Dem affiliation because I write, phone, email, etc to Dems & mention that. But, no Dem has listened one bit.

    At least the Republicans thought we were important enough to listen to, and right now that’s a big plus. My whole party just sucks, the elders suck, many of its representatives suck, many Obama Democrats suck. I’m over being a Democrat.

    I’m giving up on the Democratic Party, and switching to Independent.

  37. did you scroll up and read? lol, Obamas teleprompter hits the campaign trail. lol, what a joke of a candidate.

  38. Mawm, I think that a big part of that attitude on the part of some women like Pelosi is a FUNCTION of the fact that with so few women are elected, they being human fight like mad to maintain their own power. There are too many women, and too few slots. CHANGE that paradigm, and you change how women in elected office or corporate office behave. Period.

    The 30% solution works. It has been shown to work in many many countries, regardless of the types of women elected. Let me repeat – REGARDLESS of the TYPES of women elected, in the long run, it works.

    I love this post, because it is a conclusion I had already reached on my own, doing my own thinking and my own research. I have been banging my head against the wall of sexism for too many decades – and am entirely ready to try a new approach, since what we have been doing has gotten us NOWHERE.

    I will vote for every woman that I possibly can from here on out. If the Democratic Party wants my vote, then they had better start giving me some damn WOMEN to vote for.

    Once we get close to 30%, then and only then will I start getting picky over policies and personalities.

  39. This is the time to standup and shoutout not sit down and be quiet.
    If we do not show our displeasure this time the stupidity will continue.
    NOT THIS TIME. WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WILL NOT TAKE IT ANY MORE.
    Investigate before you vote.
    Does the person stand for what you believe in?
    Whether they are male or female make damn sure they stand for you.
    How many people check out things before they buy them but just vote along party lines without checking?

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE.

  40. Hey another piece of interesting news…..

    “Good Morning America’s” train tour across the country continued on Tuesday with Diane Sawyer interviewing Hillary Clinton and encouraging the senator to agree that John McCain is too old to be president. She also jokingly invited the former first lady aboard, telling her the program could “go out and buy you some pajamas.”

    But first, adopting the liberal talking points that McCain might die soon, the ABC host wondered, “…Senator Claire McCaskill said recently that she felt that it was a dangerous decision to pick Governor Palin, because of Senator McCain’s age and because of his health. Do you agree?” After Clinton declined to support McCaskill’s contention, Sawyer prompted, “So, you’re not going to endorse what she said?”

    SAWYER: Senator McCaskill, Senator Claire McCaskill said recently that she felt that it was a dangerous decision to pick Governor Palin, because of Senator McCain’s age and because of his health. Do you agree?

    CLINTON: You know, what I said, is we have to keep focused on the differences between the Republicans and the Democrats. This goes way beyond any one candidate. It’s really about the future that we have to fight for. And I am doing all I can to keep focused on what matters in the lives of Americans. We have a better economic policy. You know, we had a difficult situation in 1993, when my husband became president. Democrats fixed it. We have all kinds of challenges. And if we don’t look at the differences between what Senator McCain and Governor Palin offer, in terms of policies, and in my view, misplaced policies, compared to what we offer, then we’re going to get diverted and we’re not going to make the right decisions.

    SAWYER: So, you’re not going to endorse what she said?

    CLINTON: You know, I think the point is not the vice presidential candidate on the other side, with all due respect. It’s the presidential candidate. Senator McCain is not offering much of a change from what has already been the policies of the Republicans and of this administration.

    Hillary is dignified as always.

  41. Chevalier – I’m sorry if my broad generalizations offended you! I did not mean to do so. However, I do not think that Indian culture is generally recognized as being forward thinking on womens’ issues.

    However, I do agree with you that we are much worse than quite a few countries in our misogyny. Those statistics are quite extensively discussed in Congressworman Maloney’s book.

  42. The Consequences of Rejecting Hillary

    Fred Barnes
    Thu Sep 11, 2008

    Washington (The Daily Standard) – IT’S WIDELY ACCEPTED now that Barack Obama would be better off if he’d picked Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate instead of Joe Biden. Obama had his reasons, particularly his discomfort with her as his actual vice president if he’s elected. Still, Obama sacrificed a stronger ticket by rejecting Clinton.

    Absent Hillary, the contest between Obama-Biden and the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin is throwing the Democrats into disarray. The consequences of Obama’s veep decision appear mostly to favor McCain. And if Obama had picked Hillary? Here are a few of the differences.

    No Palin. Okay, McCain might have picked her anyway. He was looking for a running mate who would help him shake up the campaign. And Palin has delivered spectacularly on that. But choosing her would have seemed far less of a game-changer had Obama picked Clinton. Palin would have been merely the second female running mate in 2008. And her appeal to those who had voted for Clinton in the primaries would have been reduced if not nullified altogether.

    As a result, the prospects of the other potential game-changers McCain was considering–Democratic senator Joe Lieberman and pro-choice ex-Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge–would surely have risen. And while it’s unknowable whether McCain would have picked Palin if Obama had gone with Clinton, selecting Palin would have been a lot less likely.

    No Biden. He’s not an albatross, but he certainly hasn’t given Obama a boost. He has brought no balance to the ticket, not in regard to class, gender, ideology, or anything except longevity in Washington. Worse, unlike Palin, he’s generated no enthusiasm or excitement. Biden has little appeal to the working class voters, especially women, who swarmed to Clinton in the primaries. He lacks the populist streak that Clinton had fashioned for herself. Biden is simply a weaker running mate.

    Party unity. Democrats have come together fairly well behind the Obama-Biden ticket–but not as well as they would have if Obama had chosen Clinton. We still hear from disgruntled Hillary backers. Reporters have discovered they’re easy to find at McCain-Palin rallies. Polls can’t tell us how many will ultimately vote for McCain and Palin. But a chunk of them will–perhaps a few million–which means that Democrats aren’t as unified as they might have been.

    Ohio and Pennsylvania. Republicans figured these states, notably Pennsylvania, were all but goners if Clinton won the Democratic nomination. Even as veep, she’d have had a favorable impact. When she was passed over by Obama, Republicans jumped for joy. Ohio, which a Republican presidential candidate has to win, now leans McCain. Pennsylvania, which is crucial to a Democratic candidate’s chances, has become a ripe target of opportunity for McCain.

    Arkansas. As a Southern state, Arkansas is inclined to vote Republican in presidential races unless there’s a compelling reason not to. One of those reasons: a Clinton on the Democratic ticket. Without Clinton, Arkansas moves into the leaning (strongly) McCain camp.

    Vice presidential debate. This is a no-brainer. Who would be the easier opponent for Palin to face in the nationally televised debate on October 2? Clinton or Biden? The tough woman or Senator Windbag? Biden will have to be on his best behavior and treat Palin gingerly. Clinton wouldn’t have had to.

    Republican women. Mark Penn, chief strategist in the Clinton campaign, once insisted that 25 percent of Republican women were ready to vote for her for president. Many crossed party lines and voted for her in the primaries. Many of those women might have voted for an Obama-Clinton ticket. But how many Republican women are going to reject Palin and vote for an Obama-Biden ticket? Mighty few.

    Because of all the problems associated with the Clintons–husband Bill, her relatively high unfavorability in polls, Clinton fatigue–Hillary Clinton appeared to be the wrong running mate for Obama. I thought so. I was mistaken. As Clinton won primaries in big states and developed a populist appeal to downscale white voters, her political value soared. As it turns out, Obama needed her. McCain is lucky Obama missed his chance.

    Fred Barnes is executive editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

  43. tom – I love this part. It is so typically Clintonian.

    SAWYER: So, you’re not going to endorse what she said?

    CLINTON: You know, I think the point is not the vice presidential candidate on the other side, with all due respect. It’s the presidential candidate. Senator McCain is not offering much of a change from what has already been the policies of the Republicans and of this administration.

    In other words, the problem is OBAMA, not Palin. And she should have been the nominee!

    LOLOLOLOL

  44. madamab – your post makes me smile.

    Last year when I sent my first check to Hillary I included a note. I told her that my hope was that her campaign would kick-start a 21st century conversation about the rampant misogyny in the culture, a fact that everyone is pretending doesn’t exist.

    In that regard Hillary’s campaign has greatly succeeded.

    Please keep it up.

    Signed – a 2nd waver

  45. I just returned from voting for Ed O’Reilly. What a tremendous feeling!

    It’s been 6 elections (24 years) without any democrat alternative to John Kerry. Having a choice today felt wonderful.

    My precinct was very busy. We have a local town override issue that really brought out the voters in my area. I hope that helps increase the voter turnout for the primary too.

    I’m on pins and needles waiting for end of day results. Keep your fingers crossed. If it’s not a win for O’Reilly, I hope it will at least be a large enough protest vote to shake up the dem leadership.

    Go PUMA!

  46. Biden is a gaffe-ometer, whereas Hillary is gracious, smooth, and polished to perfection.

    Yup, Obama and the DNC sure made a great choice there.

  47. Although Diane Sawyer tried to bait Hillary Clinton, she didn’t succeed. wow, hillary made it clear to direct criticism if you must to the presidential candidate, not the VP. Obama must be furious right now. Hope he gets comforted by Michelle. Although I doubt it. Michelle seems to be more angry at Hillary Clinton. sad state of affairs. Hillary and McCain would have had town-hall meetings, and would be open to all americans. They may be competitors, but they sure do have respect for each other.

  48. Breeze – thanks for posting that.

    D*mn, I agree with Fred Barnes!

    What a bizarre year.

  49. madamab, it is hard to get away from who you really are. Both Obama and Biden are elitists, so it shouldn’t surprise us when they consistently make elitist comments.

  50. Mawm – I’m just shocked that they don’t hide their elitism and contempt for the voters better.

    But I guess if they did, they would be Republicans.

    *rimshot*

  51. madamab, is maloney the woman who’s husband was shot on the Long Island Railway who ran as a republican and then switched to Dem?

  52. Biden strikes again.

    A bold manifesto for politicians doing poorly in the polls– blame it on the voters’ lack of intelligence.

  53. Tennessee Guerilla Women notices the same thing we are noticing today:

    Citing actions by Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Gray Sasser, as well as spokesman Wade Munday, and the general mistreatment of Democratic such as Hillary Clinton and Rosalind Kurita, Sanford said she no longer considers herself a Democrat.

    “I will vote for John McCain,” Sanford stated unequivocally.

    Sanford was upset not only with the Kurita decision today but with what she claimed was encouragement by Sasser to Hillary Clinton delegates in Denver to break Tennessee law by voting for Barack Obama.

    Prepare to reap the whirlwind, Obama/DNC Conglomerate!

  54. helen, on September 16th, 2008 at 1:41 pm Said:
    “I am a older woman who has been working since I was eighteen. There was no choice .
    When i was married and having children I still worked.
    I was the one with the medical insurance.
    I have been passed over for promotion for a man that I trained because I was married with 4 children.
    I have been told that i was only working for extras while the men were supporting a family.”

    I could have written this! I will never, ever forget being told “well, he has a family to support” when I was SINGLE. Guess they thought all those child support checks I WASN’T getting would cover all the expenses.

    Young women don’t know what real feminism is. They seem to think it’s being able to wear trashy clothes, get tattoos, and work at a job where they can talk to “the guys” about that great club/movie they went to over the weekend with their boyfriend. And where the “big boss’ actually notices and compliments them on their hair or shoes. They haven’t got a clue.

  55. The HBO movie COCO Chanel is a good look into what a female had to endure to become an individual in her own right!

    Good Movie with good acting!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  56. Gary – no, she is a Congresswoman from the Upper East Side, and her husband is, thankfully, very much alive! :-)

    I know who you mean, though, and I think her name is very similar. Let me see if I can find it….

  57. 5 Alaska State Lawmakers sue to Block Sarah Palin Investigation.

  58. wow, a wonderful onterview with Meghan McCain….

    A few lines from the interview :

    KING: What do you make of those, back to Governor Palin, who say that if you criticize her, it’s sexism.

    M. MCCAIN: I don’t think necessarily criticizing any candidate is sexism, but I do think that sexism has played a role with the governor and with Senator Clinton as well in this election. I don’t think criticizing a candidate, no matter what gender, is necessarily sexism.

    KING: You think Senator Clinton was a victim of it, too?

    M. MCCAIN: I do.

    KING: Did you like Chelsea?

    M. MCCAIN: Yes. I met her a while ago at the ABC debates. She’s lovely, really cool. I liked her a lot.

    KING: You liked Hillary, too?

    M. MCCAIN: Yes, I like Jenna Bush, too. I’ve met her too. They’re all really interesting women. Chelsea was particularly friendly.
    KING: I think it was quoted. Did you say you were obsessed with Governor Palin?

    M. MCCAIN: Yes.

    KING: What do you mean?

    M. MCCAIN: What I love about Governor Palin is for so long women are told, you can do everything, but you have to do it at different time. You can have a career, but then you can have kids. She has five kids and now she’s the vice presidential nominee. I love that she’s doing it all at once. She’s such a role model for me. I love strong women. I am a strong woman and I just love examples like that.

    KING: You have been with her, right?

    M. MCCAIN: Yes.

    KING: What do you like about her?

    M. MCCAIN: First of all, she’s really chill. She’s really nice, really friendly. She’s really up on pop culture, which I always respect. She’s very smart. She doesn’t act entitled, which unfortunately sometimes you get with some politicians. She’s just like your average girl, like just a mom. But she’s very very, very shrewd, very smart. I’ve heard her talking about issues.

  59. Dianne Sawyer’s interview is just more proof, as if we needed any, that there’s absoutely no journalists left in the United States. She was obviously trying to goad Clinton into jumping on the stupid age riff. Is that news? Is it anything but partisan crap? No and no.

    How stupid did she sound trying to get Clinton to agree with McCaskill??? As if a statement by McCaskill had any kind of importance that needed to be answered! No one in the country would have ever even heard her name had she not had her lips so tightly attached to Obama’s ass.

    When will these rank amateurs learn that Clinton can have them all for freakin’ lunch and not even have to stifle a ladylike burp afterwards?

  60. Vbonnaire @ 1:56 mentioned how Feinstein, Boxer, Capps FAILED us. I agree and add Pelosi and others.

    These women act as soldiers for the patriarchy preserving and defending the patriarchy. They are pretty easy to spot.

    We have them in the LGBT community, preserving heterosexuality, as well.

  61. Sorry if this becomes a double post–computer intermittently on the fritz.

    Popped in at The Confluence at the right time! The C-SPAN interview with McKinney is now available:

    Road to the White House

    Green Party
    McKinney/Clemente

  62. Tom,

    Not me. I grow angrier and more committed to voting against Obama as each new day brings yet another negative (and bizarre) attack on Palin from the so-called left. It will be my personal FU to Mister Lipstick Piggy and his bully boys (and gals) in the DNC.

    And I’ve got a stash of old lipstick just waiting for the next solicitation!

  63. tom – How can so-called feminists ignore the absolute concrete manifestation of this reality?

    M. MCCAIN: What I love about Governor Palin is for so long women are told, you can do everything, but you have to do it at different time. You can have a career, but then you can have kids. She has five kids and now she’s the vice presidential nominee. I love that she’s doing it all at once. She’s such a role model for me. I love strong women. I am a strong woman and I just love examples like that.

    DUH!

    And her husband is Mr. Mom.

    Could she BE more of a feminist?!

  64. Evidence the portable tele-prompter is working – at least on Obama supporters (BTD):

    I got the chance to watch Obama’s speech on the economy in Golden, Colorado (on TV of course.) Great speech. Great delivery. As close to being like Bill Clinton on the economy . . .
    ————————

    maybe O can figure out some way to bring one to the debates.

  65. Jmac –

    maybe O can figure out some way to bring one to the debates.

    LOL!!!!!

    Yeah, good luck with that, Mr. Ah Um Er Uh.

  66. People have to stop besmirching Bill with comparisons to the One. They are not the same person. Thank God. Bill just wouldn’t be all that and a bag of chips anymore if they were.

  67. That felt good. I just called NOW at 202-628-8669 and cancelled my membership.

    I told the woman that it was due to this endorsement of Barack Obama, after the sexist campaign he ran. I told her that if there was any year when NOW should have at least sat this one out, it was this year. To endorse the candidate who stirred up misogyny in order to knock out Hillary Clinton was a slap in the face to ALL women.

    I also relayed to her my complete disgust and anger at the parade of Democratic “feminists” across my TV screen, and their attitude toward Sarah Palin. I told her that their statements and behavior were as bad if not worse than the crap I’ve heard coming from the mouth of any man on the religious right.

    I told her, “You know, I have a sister who is an evangelical, and pro-life. She is a strong woman, who has faced many of the same struggles and hurdles in life and the workplace that all women face. I had previously been under the impression that NOW was supportive of ALL women, not just me as a pro-choice, liberal woman. Now I have discovered that NOW has no interest in supporting women such as my sister. Well, if NOW can’t support my sister, then they can’t represent me. Cancel my membership, and take me off your mailing lists. “

  68. madamab,

    Naah, not offended for a bit. I love all your posts, includng this one. I just think it’s an inaccurate stereotype. May have held a century ago, but things have moved forward in that part of the world since, but here they’ve moved back from where they were the last forty years (which is exactly what you and Maloney are saying).

    For instance, a Chris Matthews or an Olbermann would’ve been run out of town on a donkey if they did there what they’ve dared to do here to a female politician, even if they picked one that was widely disliked as opposed to someone popular like Hillary.
    Women got the right to vote the same time that men did in India, and so many politicians there are women who’ve come up on their own steam – the discussion does not center around Mayawati’s atrocious hairstyle or Jayalalitha’s voice.

    I felt the same dissonance when reading Simone De Beauvoir – she’s great when describing feminism but uses inaccurate/incomplete examples when it comes to the other parts of the world. Not that it really matters either way, really – didn’t mean to make this about feminism in other parts of the world.

  69. Oh, didn’t I get you that news? Read and enjoy….

    CNN) — It appears Barack Obama’s teleprompter is hitting the campaign trail.

    The Democratic presidential nominee has never tried to hide the fact he delivers speeches off the device, though normally he doesn’t use one at standard campaign rallies and town hall events.

    But the Illinois senator used a teleprompter at both his Colorado events Monday — making for a particularly peculiar scene in Pueblo, where the prompter was set up in the middle of what is normally a rodeo ring.

  70. Regency – What can you do if you’re an Obot and you want your guy to win, like BTD?

    They have nothing. After Obama dissed Hillary by not picking her for VP, there is no reason for any Clinton supporter to feel guilty about not voting for him.

  71. gxm – don’t be mad! Rejoice, it is a good decision!

    I got my solicitation yesterday. I returned with 2 tubes of lipstick, 2 cents, 3 Hillary 44 Bills with my opinion of them written all of them, a Unity Pony stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean, and Hillary’s official head shot – stating this is what a President looks like. I also wrote PUMA all over the envelope, put my lip prints all over everthing and wrote “Try Stealing Our Votes Again!” and “No Deal”.

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  72. Madamab: You start building a time machine and set it for a month ago.

  73. Chevalier – Thanks very much for sharing your experiences in India! I am glad you are not offended. Whew!

    The point of that sentence was that India and Pakistan are ahead of America in their ability to elect women to be their heads of state, despite what people might think about their culture. So, we are really not disagreeing at all.

  74. Carol, LOL!

  75. atleast CNN didn’t censor this tiny tidbit – that Obama’s teleprompter is hitting the campaign trail. lol

  76. Carol – You ROCK!!!

    Carol HAKA indeed!
    :-)

    Regency – If it were me, I would set that time machine back 18 months, and have PUMA fully formed. Then we’d see how far Obama would get in his misbegotten quest for the Presidency.

    TIME MACHINE HAKA :evil:

  77. Madamab: TIME MACHINE HAKA, damn straight! Given that much time to work, we’d have Hillary right now. No doubt.

  78. Democrats control 3 of the biggest states in corporate America: New York, Illinois, and California. How come the state Congresses have done anything about it? How come nobody has been a grassroots effort to get it put on the ballot? Don’t women have 52% of the votes?

  79. Carol, I will try to take your advice and rejoice in my liberation from the Democratic Party, but right now I’m just PO’d. I hope a solicitation arrives soon so I can release some of my fury. Thanks for giving me a vicarious thrill. Your donation package sounds like a blast. And your post put a smile on my face. :)

  80. It angers me. Diane Sawyer tried to provoke Hillary Clinton. Thats pathetic. Are there no objective journalists? Why do women try to bring down other women? Thats so blatantly ridiculous. Thank God that Hillary is a seasoned politician, and knows how to handle all quests.

  81. Whoa! Looks like Obama has decided that McCain’s desire for a commission to investigate Wall Street is a political stunt.

    His attack didn’t go so well.

    Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book – you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. But here’s the thing – this isn’t 9/11. We know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I’ll provide it, John McCain won’t, and that’s the choice for the American people in this election.

    UPDATE: RNC spokesman Alex Conant responds to Obama’s critique:

    “Obama has supported creating several commissions and applauded their results during his short career political career. Yet even on an issue as important as the country’s economy, Obama is now putting politics first. In typical Washington fashion, Obama would rather attack John McCain than welcome a good bipartisan idea. Obama’s attack is another example of his ‘I-know-best’ attitude that rejects the sort of consensus-building, open-minded leadership Washington needs.”

    SNAP! Not that McCain is necessarily right, but saying Obama always acts as if it’s his way or the highway is just dead-on.

  82. rapp – In my opinion? Because enough of us are not asking for it. I certainly wasn’t.

    Now I am.

  83. Someone hand BO a Big Chief Tablet and a couple of Crayolas and ask him to FlowChart it!

    I’m laying money on it he can’t. All talk, no horse!

  84. Well count me as a vote to preserve heterosexuality…

    I don’t think feminists enrage men. But angry women are their own worst enemies. Men are naturally defensive when they are attacked and blamed. The “old feminism” came up with phrases like “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” and rants against “the patriarchy” as if men were the enemy. It didn’t gain many male fans.

    Men don’t see it that way. Most of us prefer the kind of women who want to be equal partners. And we like women who are comfortable, you know, being women! Women and men are not the same. They are complementary and of equal value in the grand equation.

    This election has finally exploded the myth that the Republican party is somehow the bastion of the misogynist patriarchy, the country club corporate CEOs, blah blah blah. Give us a thousand more women like Sarah Palin or Carly Fiorina!

  85. another little tidbit…

    Sep. 16, 2008): New Jersey a battleground state? Second poll has Obama ahead by 3 points – (Quinnipiac)
    09/10 – 09/14 – Obama +3
    McCain – 45%
    Obama – 48%

    08/04 – 08/10 – Obama +10
    Mccain – 41%
    Obama – 51%

  86. I’m getting tired of the media interviewing people that did not heed the warning to get out of Galveston and the other Gulf cities. They are griping “We haven’t seen FEMA!” Well, idiots, they are at the shelters you were told to get your skinny asses to!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  87. What ticks me off (yet another thing) is that NOW did NOT have to give up their pro-choice agenda to handle this correctly. How mindblowing would it have been for them to issue a statement something like the following:

    “We here at NOW face a difficult dilemma this historic election year. We find ourselves unable to endorse the Republican ticket, because there are simply too many sharp disagreements on issues of reproductive freedom. However, due to the historic and game-changing nature of Governor Sarah Palin’s run, we find that we cannot in good conscience endorse her opponent, either.

    Women across the country are applauding the fact that a strong, accomplished woman is competing on a national presidential ticket for the first time in 24 years. Her position as VP on a national ticket is a history-making and empowering event for all American women. American women will have to make their own choices in this election, and they may be difficult ones. We do not take our reproductive freedoms lightly. But regardless of our differing stands on that issue, we would be remiss not to hail Governor Palin’s achievement. Governor Palin does not have our endorsement, but she does have our respect.”

    There. How hard would that be to do?

  88. Dave – Sometimes you need to get angry before you take action. I would respectfully suggest that women have a lot to be angry about!

    The thing that I agree with is that staying angry does not do us any good. Don’t stay mad, get things done!

    I also agree that misogyny is not the province of either Party, but is practiced by politicians and pundits of all persuasions. I never understood that before, but now I realize it.

  89. Why is Pro-Life not Pro-Choice?

  90. Why is Barky’s cynicism being tolerated? Isn’t that “negativity”?

  91. well said, wmcb.

  92. WMCB – Not hard at all. Hillary managed it quite easily when she congratulated, but did not endorse, Sarah Palin.

    Like I said. If you want to know how to win a political argument, just study Hillary and how she does it. She is the best I’ve ever seen, from the Democratic side of the aisle.

  93. yeah, Hillarys interview and Meghan McCians interview were great.

  94. Just voted for Ed O’Reilly. I hope Kerry gets the message, the cad.

  95. Carol, because they would deny other women the right to make a choice to terminate.

    However, not every person who calls themself pro-life is anti-choice. I’ve had this argument with a few, telling them that if their pro-life stance applies only to THEM, that they are in fact pro-choice. They disagree, because they wish to make a DISTINCTION between themselves and other pro-choice women who believe either choice is valid and good.

    The problem is one of identification, sometimes. Some pro-lifers (those who really do NOT want to make abortion illegal), reject the pro-choice label because they see it as approving of either choice. My sister is that way. She is pro-life, and believes absolutely that ending the life of a fetus is a moral wrong. However, she does not wish it to be a crime, for practical reasons. She refuses to call herself pro-choice, because to her that is not what she is. She is a pro-lifer, who wants abortion to END, but does not wish to criminalize anyone.

  96. I’m not saying that anger isn’t justified. It’s just that everyone has a choice to make when it comes to how they react. Angrily attacking someone–especially someone powerful–is rarely a good idea.

    By the way, I do agree that Hillary has perfected the art of tightrope walking. She’s got her message and she’s sticking to it! She will be a great replacement for Harry Reid.

  97. Carol, Pro-Life is a misleading term. it is used too casually, especially by the media. it is NOT the opposite of pro-choice. Pro life implies that abortion is murder, which most people in this country don’t believe. If you must use a term it should be anti-abortion, or something that more resembles the truth. Pro life makes a judgement call, pro choice does not. as we’ve all learned, words matter. It is like the woman I saw on tv last night calling Dr.’s who perform abortions “abortionists”–no such term exists in medical terminology. It is a way of manipulating peoples emotions when discussing these issues.

  98. Madamab: That TN story about Stanford must be the one that our own Eleanor A has been so upset about for a couple of days.

    As for the Sawyers – Clinton interview & forced discussion of that silly know-nothing Claire, can’t Hillary say FU in just the nicest possible way?

    And the Obots fretted because she was such a politician. Yeah, what a politician!

  99. “pro-life” is also an effective propaganda slogan, because it’s opposite would be absurd, making it hard to negate. nobody would call themselves “pro-death”. That’s usually a clear indicator that you’ve got propaganda. its like “support the troops”….well who is going to take the opposing viewpoint on that. These may seem like semantics, but it is important to recognize propaganda when it is used so frequently, especially in our media.

  100. PofE – When did being a politician become a liability in politics? It’s like lambasting a singer for taking voice lessons.

    ?????!!!!!!

    I will never understand the Obot mentality.

  101. gary, see my post above. There are pro-lifers out there who in my book should be called pro-choicers, but they themselves refuse the label, and have some valid reasons for doing so. There really are more than two camps on this issue.

  102. I don’t know about you but as far as I am concerned, Biden is right……”toasters” are a big deal to middle class Americans…..

    oy. What about “ice boxes”, Senator?

  103. gary – I agree 100% with your statements about terminology. We have allowed the rightwing to completely monopolize the framing on the reproductive rights issue. The words “pro-life” are extremely emotionally loaded and meant to put the opposition on the defensive.

    If you are pro-choice, that does not mean you are pro-abortion. We should have chosen stronger words, such as “pro-freedom.”

    I’m a Feminist for Freedom. That means the freedom to own my own uterus. Waddaya think?

  104. I am sorry, but there is something seriously wrong with the system. Guess that misogyny is inbuilt. Its incredible. I think of it this way……the MSM is
    waiting to hear a smear from a former presidential candidate to an opposition on the VP ticket. That means…..Hillary to Sarah.

    Take it the other way. If Romney or Huckabee (presidential candidates) smears Biden (a VP candidate), will it be given ehough press and analysis. I bet not.

    Looks like the MSM wants a catfight between Hillary and Palin. Really, they are totally sexist. and its disgusting. And I’m a man. And this offends me. I can only imagine what you women are feeling.

  105. Upstate – And they say McCain is old because he doesn’t email?

    Biden is only seven years younger than McCain!

  106. Madamab, count me in as pro-freedom. WMCB I totally agree with your point. My mother is a prime example. she is a devout catholic and opposes abortion personally, but believes it is not her place to impose her belief on others. I strongly believe that terms like “pro-life” need to be eliminated from the discourse on the issue.

  107. BTW, madamab….your post? Excelente!

  108. I wouldn’t be defending FEMA too much. They’ve already passed the buck to the state of Texas. It’s apparently not their fault that the supplies they promised weren’t there. In fact, when Chertoff said it, he had meant should not will be there. God they suck.

  109. Glad to have worked out that issue!

  110. Thanks, Upstate! LOL

    Regency…That’s what the Bushies always do. They always do a terrible job, then blame it on the states. Did they know that Texas has a Republican governor before they did it, is my question!

  111. Madamab: Yeah and he’s just as bad. Who keeps electing this guy? Where is Ann Richards when you need her?

  112. madamab, I think that while the Right are the prime offenders, the Left has some issues with bad framing as well.

    All too often the position is trumpeted that being pro-choice means subscribing to the belief that either choice is morally neutral. That being pro-choice means giving up your contention that a fetus is a life. There are those out there who soundly reject that view, and do not wish to be associated with it in any way – yet are not in favor of making abortion illegal. Those people could be allies on this issue, if treated with more respect.

  113. On Saturday in Tennessee, we saw another travesty of justice against a woman candidate (who has served 12 years in the TN Senate). She didn’t toe the party line and voted against an old geeser who had been Sen. Speaker for many years and he had become senile. The Party was determined to punish her and in a real witchhunt, set aside her recent election win saying it was “incurably uncertain” because some Republicans voted in the Democratic Primary. TN has an “open” primary so that was not illegal. The opponent (an anti-choice male) never even brought in any pollwatchers to challenge any voters at the polls.

    Misogyny and Sexism are indeed alive and well in Tennessee.

  114. This statement bears repeating….

    I am sorry, but there is something seriously wrong with the system. Guess that misogyny is inbuilt. Its incredible. I think of it this way……the MSM is
    waiting to hear a smear from a former presidential candidate to an opposition on the VP ticket. That means…..Hillary to Sarah.

    Take it the other way. If Romney or Huckabee (presidential candidates) smears Biden (a VP candidate), will it be given ehough press and analysis. I bet not.

    Looks like the MSM wants a catfight between Hillary and Palin. Really, they are totally sexist. and its disgusting. And I’m a man. And this offends me. I can only imagine what you women are feeling.

  115. Regency – please take into account personal responsibility for the choices people make that require a continual response on the part of others. There are millions involved. It takes a few thousand not abiding by the warning that move the priority of saving their “idiot lives” from the good of doing for those that abided by the warnings.

    3 people I work with chose to stay. I offered my home to them. They declined and are now relaying stories to my team all of the horrifying things that happened. I personally think they should have been minimally fined and possible jailed.

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  116. wmcb – I agree! That’s what I’m saying. We let the Right get away with this cr*p.

    If I were Queen of the Universe back when the “pro-life” meme started, I would never have let it get off the ground. As a feminist, I am for reproductive freedom, which means the freedom to choose whether or not to have your baby. I think a lot of the so-called “pro-lifers” would be a lot more comfortable with that framing.

    Ehhhh, whaddoIknow?

    TIME MACHINE HAKA :evil:

  117. hey madamab, I’m ginning up a response to this over at partizane sometime later today. In the meantime, just had to let you know that you rock my world, you smart woman, you! :)

    I’m buying the book and getting extra copies for my adult children (women and men).

  118. Thanks, Cal! You won’t regret buying this book. It is entertaining AND incredibly informative!
    :-)

  119. wmcb: I agree that both parties are to blame, as this election so clearly shows. Pro-choice shouldn’t mean you have to have an abortion. The media hasn’t helped this issue one bit, either. The media loves shortcut catchy phrases that only cloud real beliefs.

  120. [...] on, as in had concrete plans, the banking industry, create equality for women in the workplace, as madamab points out on The Confluence, create a viable health care solution, and was really in touch with [...]

  121. Oh, Helen, been there done that. And Tom – after the Dem convention and learning of what happened I had that same moribund dreadfully sad feeling I had aftern 9/11 – knowing that nothing would ever be the same again.
    They clearly had no notion of the seriousness of what they were doing. It was like a game to them. A game they just had to win but had no full understanding of the consequences of what they were doing – childish play to them.

  122. Todd Palin, in his first major TV interview since his wife became John McCain’s running mate, said Tuesday that Sarah Palin’s nomination was not a “huge surprise” to him, as he believed she was “destined for higher positions.”

    Palin, known affectionately as Alaska’s “First Dude,” spoke with FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren about snowmobile racing, hockey, fishing, moose hunting and working on the Alaska oil fields.

    But he said his wife’s sudden ascent from first-term Alaska governor to history-making vice presidential nominee had always been a “possibility in the back of my mind.”

    “You know, for me, it wasn’t a huge surprise,” Palin said. “You know, I’m just glad that they tapped into her. And I think Americans are seeing what she’s about. And so to me, it’s just not a big shock. I knew that she was destined for higher positions, maybe not as soon, but that’s just the way she is.”

  123. “Investigate before you vote.” Please investigate. Particularly if you have down ticket candidates such as judges. While this particular Judge campaigned hard, people did not investigate her background. She never filed a single pleading with the court, or argued a hearing, before becoming a Judge.

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/7458182.html
    http://abajournal.com/magazine/youre_not_the_boss_of_me/

    She did not win her re-election (this year). The hearing to remove her permanently completed and a few days before the decision was to be rendered, her husband beat her pretty severely. She’s in bad shape. No decision was publicized.

    The battle between her and the chief judge (a woman) has been an embarassment to our judiciary.

    Women voters put her over the top in a very contested race. Please don’t vote for a woman just because she’s a woman.

  124. Oh, naoko – that is not just only misogyny and sexism – it’s s crime and someone should go to jail

  125. Joanelle – Yes, and they’re now demanding that we justify ourselves to them for refusing to do what they want.

    Hey, Obamans – how about YOU justify why YOU are voting for Obama? How can you honor misogyny, r*ce-baiting and vote-stealing with your precious vote?

  126. madamab, I think that the pro-lifers who really believe that that is a life, and who want to do everything they can to offer women better (in their view) choices, and who wish to do all they can to reduce abortions (that they see as immoral), but see the insanity of trying to outlaw it, are just fine. In my book, more power to ‘em, whatever they call themselves.

    It is not only the fault of the right wing smear machines that pro-choice has come to mean “pro-abortion” to some. It is also the fault of some (not all) on the Left, who rail on the backward stupidity of anyone who considers a fetus a life, and talk about “it’s only a scrap of tissue, get over it” while using the “pro-choice” label for themselves.

    That sort of narrowness has excluded many who are pro-life (but wish to retain legality) from wanting to be associated with the term pro-choice.

    This issue is not as black-and-white as we have been sold.

  127. Is “No Quarter” down?

  128. I’m sorry, joanelle. It was very bad. sorry…..

  129. yes, noquarter is down.

  130. HEY NEW YORK WOMEN!!! I just got an email about this:

    Do you want to participate in a White House Project training seminar this weekend?

    Here’s the link for the application. NY residents only, as no more housing is currently available.

    VoteRunLead New York

  131. lol, I like this guy…

    Todd Palin, in his first major TV interview since his wife became John McCain’s running mate, said Tuesday that Sarah Palin’s nomination was not a “huge surprise” to him, as he believed she was “destined for higher positions.”

    Palin, known affectionately as Alaska’s “First Dude,” spoke with FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren about snowmobile racing, hockey, fishing, moose hunting and working on the Alaska oil fields.

    But he said his wife’s sudden ascent from first-term Alaska governor to history-making vice presidential nominee had always been a “possibility in the back of my mind.”

    “You know, for me, it wasn’t a huge surprise,” Palin said. “You know, I’m just glad that they tapped into her. And I think Americans are seeing what she’s about. And so to me, it’s just not a big shock. I knew that she was destined for higher positions, maybe not as soon, but that’s just the way she is.”

  132. WMCB – I agree.

  133. Tom–you’re absolutely right. They want a damned “Dynasty” catfight out of this, for entertainment purposes only. I think HRC and Palin are too dignified for this, hopefully. That is precisely what we are getting from these so-called “liberal feminist pundits”–a infotainment catfight. Dammit!! Are we just not beyond this yet…..no wait I just answered my own question.

  134. tom@ 3:58 – Part deux of the VanSusteren interview with Todd Palin is on tonight at 10p ET

  135. Irlandese, I’m very angry over this. Its too much. the MSM is trying to salivate over a catfight. in their opinion. both hillary and sarah are more dignified. thats good. but would huckabee or romney have any hesitation over smearing biden? no, I dont think so. but the MSM wont pay attention to that. Not as interesting as Hillary vs. Sarah. what a disgrace!!!

  136. wmcb, on September 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm Said:

    gary, see my post above. There are pro-lifers out there who in my book should be called pro-choicers, but they themselves refuse the label, and have some valid reasons for doing so. There really are more than two camps on this issue.
    ****************
    The framing now is pro-life…pro-abortion. The real issue is individual choice vs Government mandated forced child birth. The flip side to the Government forcing child birth, is the Government forcing abortion. Eventually the government will pay for all health care…in fifty years wouldn’t it make sense to do “genetic profiles” on the fetus and abort if it will cost too much? The Evangelical infatuation with pro-life if fairly recent. I can remember when people in that demographic generally though abortion wasn’t such a bad idea.. Public opinion can change fairly quickly..legal precident can have unintended consequences.

  137. Why is No Quarter down?

  138. Another point about the framing of the abortion debate is that instead of calling it the “right to choose”, I prefer the “right to control one’s own body”. This to me encompasses “reproductive freedom” and also includes things that may well affect men in the future. The ethical issues involved with genetics could introduce scenarios where the government wants to have control over your body, male or female. If we concentrate on framing the issue as “the freedom to control one’s own body”, the argument is cast as one of individual autonomy and against government interventions which is something Republicans believe in.

  139. Great diary–just got back from taking my husband to the doctor , turned on the idiot box and heard someone on CNN talking about trooper gate and got livid.
    Not that I agree with Palin on alot , but -here’s the crux of it—-nobody investigates Bush after 8 years of disaster but they go after a first term Alaskan governor. Would they be going after her if she weren’t running for vp? This smacks almost of sexism to me –I am sick of it. Also is this partly because he can’t stand for anybody other than himself to get attention. And I thought Bush was thin skinned. Had to rant here.

  140. First of all, thank you wmcb, for your comments. I consider myself extremely liberal on EVERY issue except for abortion. garychapelhill–I have the same view as your mother for essentially the same reason. I generally dodge the question, and refuse to label myself, but in reality, wmcb’s point is true-I am pro-choice because, even though I would not make the choice to have an abortion, I’m not going to force other people to believe what I believe, and I know that other people have a completely different belief system about the issue. That being said, I have some recent and unanticipated emotional feelings about the issue at this point in my life. I’m 37 and I can’t get pregnant right now, even though it is what I want more than anything. It was incredibly difficult to listen to all of the terrible shit that was said about Sarah Palin regarding Trig. Add to that everything that I know from my experiences at the fertility clinic, observing so many people who so desperately want to have a child, and the underlying moral issue gets complicated for me. WMCB–I’d give anything for that “little piece of tissue” that is so “unimportant” and I really, REALLY appreciate the observation you made above. Anyway, at the end of the day, I would never want abortion to be illegal: I just think that pregnancy in general is an incredibly complicated and emotionally charged issue, and, ultimately, a completely personal experience. In other words, the government should have nothing to do with it. I’m actually nervous about posting this, since I’m fully aware its not a popular viewpoint. But Hillary had the Catholic vote, so I guess you guys shouldn’t be surprised. =)

  141. Did you folks see the Ellen show yesterday and what she said?

    “This what my mother taught me: You take a woman by the waist. You take a bottle by the neck. And you never put lipstick on a pig.”

  142. Is Michelle’s mom Donna Brazile’s mom?

  143. Are there any feminists there anymore? the majority seem to be attacking Palin, cos she is not of their mind-set. Maybe thats the challenge. Feminism is like a market, a few have conquered it. Now there is a new competitor on the horizon. and the traditional feminists (read left-wing ideologues) cant tolerate it. Is this a monopoly? Maybe Palin should file a law-suit. :-) Its so strange to see so-called feminists attack another woman.

  144. Senator Clinton to Introduce Legislation to Reinstate Task Force on Children’s Health

    WASHINGTON, DC—In light of new Government Accountability Office (GAO) findings that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has neglected children’s health protection during the Bush administration, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today announced that she will introduce legislation to reinstate an interagency Task Force to recommend federal strategies for protecting children’s health. The Children’s Environmental Health and Safety Risk Reduction Act will codify an Executive Order issued in 1997 which created such a task force. President Bush let the Task Force lapse in 2005.

    “Ten years after the landmark work of the Clinton Administration, this is the state of children’s health protection at the EPA: no leadership, no resources, no initiative, no real mission. It’s a disaster and it’s a disgrace, and we have to fix it,” said Senator Clinton. “We must take steps to galvanize advocates, parents, as well as the EPA itself to take action, and I look forward to working with my colleagues in the Senate to continue to hold the administration’s feet to the fire and not allow any rollback of environmental protections designed to safeguard children. We need to go forward, not backward, for the health and safety of our children.”

    http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303054&&

    video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSLOnKV–E

  145. No Quarter is back up.

  146. Dave-Try not to be so male. A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle was one of my favorite feminist slogans. It wasn’t directed at you and attracting male fans wasn’t even on our radar. Men didn’t support us and they’re weren’t going to even if we had made kissyy faces at them. The patriarchy sucks but women certainly understand that men are reluctant to admit their part in it. Sorry if angry women are scary. But, you’ve come a long way, baby.

  147. wcmb, thanks for your scathing call to NOW, and thanks for the imaginary, and yet perfectly plausible response to this election cycle, that NOW could have and yet did’t give.

    madamab and gary, thank you for your great posts, and for making these thread possible.

  148. sorry to hear that, micki72. All are entitled to their opinions, except to get barky elected. I guess 99% of us agree that barky shouldn’t be the next president.

  149. micki72, thanks for sharing that. We as Americans, and especially we as women, seem to have forgotten how to talk with each other instead of AT one another on so many issues.

    Maybe one benefit of this election season will be that a big chunk of us on both sides of the aisle will learn to do that again – and stop backing each other into corners and painting each other with such broad brushes. Our politicians will continue to do it, but we don’t have to play along.

  150. mick and other Catholics: Sorry, I’m not familiar with Catholic history, and I may be mistaken on this, but wasn’t the old policy of the Church, and other churches in general, to recognize the “quickening” as the moment of life? That movement felt by the mother, essentially validates the role of the mother in a significant sharing, something absent from this modern debate.

  151. Senator Clinton and Congresswoman Lee Introduce Resolution Calling for a National AIDS Strategy

    Members Seek to Highlight Disproportionate Impact of HIV on Minority Communities

    WASHINGTON, DC—In light of new statistics showing annual new HIV infections at levels higher than previously believed, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-CA) have introduced a resolution in both chambers of Congress calling for a national AIDS strategy. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), using new methodology, recently estimated that 56,300 individuals were newly infected with HIV in 2006, a considerably higher figure than previously estimated. The CDC statistics are also evidence of the continued disproportionate impact of HIV/AIDS upon African American and Hispanic communities.

    “The sobering new statistics on HIV and AIDS in the United States show that this disease continues to take a heavy toll right here at home—particularly in minority communities. It is unacceptable that we are not doing more to address the epidemic in populations where infections rates are highest. This news must serve as a call for a national strategy to combat HIV and AIDS that will partner with individuals and communities who are heavily impacted and bring resources where they’re needed most. We need to renew our commitment to expanding access to effective HIV prevention and increasing the availability of care and treatment for Americans living with HIV. In light of these new findings, now more than ever we must remain vigilant to the task of halting and reversing the spread of HIV and AIDS,” said Senator Clinton…..


    http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303056&&

  152. pofe. I think for catholics, even the spermies are sacred (see my post w/monty python from a while back)….so life pretty much begins before conception. by the time conception happens, there’s definitely no turning back.

  153. In my opinion, and ofcourse it may be deeply flawed, there are 2 kinds of democratic presidents. The growth-democrat or the re-distribution democrat. Clinton was a growth-democrat. His presidency expanded the economy, created jobs, bridged the deficit. But Obama’s economic plan is like a classic re-distribution democrat. The economy will die under Obama. That is not good in the present circumstances. Obama would be a disaster in this present scenario, whatever he or the Democratic part says.

  154. I think that’s why “self gratification” is a sin as well

  155. I’ll tell you why this woman is voting for McCain/Palin. Arguably, leadership is the ability to work through others to get things done. Barky has not demonstrated this ability; to the contrary, he has demonstrated a real knack for alienating others. He is floridly neurotic, and consequently probably is unable to build and sustain teams. McCain and Palin, while flawed, show that they know how to work with others to get generally desirable things done.

  156. lol, the next huffinton advice…

    With the Palin media frenzy still in high gear, it’s imperative that Obama take back the excitement momentum. One powerful way to shake up the race again would be to begin publicly announcing his Cabinet, beginning with the appointment of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, assuming she agrees to take the position.

    This would not only give the public a deeper sense for what an Obama administration would look like. It would reignite the passions of devoted Hillary followers as they are assured of the power and influence that she would wield in an Obama administration.

    Hillary Clinton has, by all accounts, demonstrated her credentials to be the President. The Secretary of State plays a key role in positioning America on the global stage and representing our interests abroad, as well as acting as an adviser to the President. It is the single most powerful and visible role in the Cabinet and a role for which she is eminently qualified. Such a position would also harness more of the wisdom gleaned from eight years of the Clinton administration and augment the foreign policy expertise that Biden brings.

    In terms of election dynamics, such an announcement would turn the headlines back to Obama’s candidacy, with some pundits calling it a brilliant tactical move to regain Hillary’s supporters and others calling it a reaction to the Palin buzz. The debate itself would shift the fascination from the Palin pick, as well as subtly highlight the fact that Obama’s Secretary of State would be more qualified to be President than McCain’s VP.

    With a defined role in the coming Obama administration, Hillary’s campaign events could have renewed vigor and visibility and those followers who have felt slighted and thus inclined to support Palin would have an additional reason to vote Democratic.

    The next logical step with such an approach would be to announce further Cabinet picks, which would grab headlines, illuminate details about his administration’s plans, and add powerful leaders to the campaign trail. As the full Obama team becomes more visible, with specific leaders able to talk about concrete policies that can solve America’s formidable problems, voters can more easily look beyond the personalities at the top of the ticket and instead look at the programs and teams that can implement those policies. And it is in the details of their plans for America where the most important differentiators between McCain and Obama can be found.

    By publicly announcing his Cabinet picks in advance, Obama would break historical precedent, demonstrating his role as change agent. Ironically, the stage is already set for this move since both McCain and Obama on 9/11 agreed to a Cabinet level position for Service and offered the position to their opponent if they win. In the long term, a shift towards early announcement of key Cabinet members would make good sense. After all, a venture capitalist will rarely invest in business ideas without assessing the full team that can execute a plan. Similarly, the American people should have a better sense for the full leadership team that will constitute an Administration rather than just the #1 and #2. Even better is a strategic plan for how to implement policies, which Cabinet members can be invaluable in fleshing out.

    In today’s world of complexity, a President can only process so much information. It is beholden upon his or her Cabinet to be voices of wisdom, balance, and innovative ideas. The mark of a great leader is that they surround themselves with excellent leaders rather than yes-men or yes-women. Picking Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and announcing that now would give us further insight into the caliber of leadership that Barack Obama would bring as President.

  157. garychapelhill, on September 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm Said:

    pofe. I think for catholics, even the spermies are sacred (see my post w/monty python from a while back)….so life pretty much begins before conception. by the time conception happens, there’s definitely no turning back.
    *************
    When did/does life begin?? About 4 billion years ago when the first cellular organism came into being. There has never been a break in that chain since then.

  158. Damn, am I misreading or has HRC introduced more legislation since she dropped out in June than Barky has in his entire career (143 days)?

  159. Thanks, Gary. I know that conception is life argument is the Church line now, I wasn’t sure if it was a thousand years ago.

  160. Damn Gary everything I like is a sin. :evil:

  161. Joan, it’s the same with LGBT activism. I’ve heard so many straight people say that we would get a lot farther if gay people wouldn’t make a big spectacle of ourselves. “Flaunting it” was something I would hear a lot.
    Saying women would get farther if they didn’t appear angry is the same thing as saying gays would advance if we kept a low-profile. It’s a lie, because those are the strategies we’ve employed for centuries and they only served to keep us where we are. For gays its the closet, and for women its playing nice. Whenever you step out of the pre-determined roles society has for you, look for people to tell you why you are wrong.

  162. Tom-Please don’t force me to read Huff n Puff. I feel ill. I’m not falling for the bone-throwing anyway.

  163. Is that an article from the Huff Post?

    Hillary Clinton has, by all accounts, demonstrated her credentials to be the President.

    Those bastards have the unmitigated gall to write that in one of their threads, after the way that they treated her over there? SOmeone needs to let loose their Alaska/Southern roots and kick some ass.

  164. sorry, joan. I won’t do that again. Was having fun outlining their desperation. But yes, you’re right.

  165. tom–LOL the obots really are tone deaf, aren’t they? I think the reaction to him announcing his cabinet before the election would be the same as the reaction to his “faux possum seal” and greek columns., that he is a presumptuous ass. Of course they could then turn around and accuse us of racism again for using that word. :)

  166. Mawm-I was thinking of you and Gary when I wrote that. Seems they we picked-on groups should form an alliance and I kinda think we already have here. We both get that be quiet and don’t make a fuss meme thrown at us. I think it’s great that LGBT folks are not silenced by that. Women have a harder time rocking the boat because we are raised to be conciliatory at all times. This election season is has really awakened my inner angry b*tch! I’m ready to start marching again.

  167. micki72, i’m so sorry for your difficult time but keep going and fighting, you never know when things may change. biology is a big unknown, things may still work

    i’m in agreement with you about choice. i dont want abortion to be ilegal, but i would like it to be very rare. i had my babies late so i can relate to palin.

  168. This is truly disgraceful…..

    Do you think the recent stock market collapse or troubles in the banking system are good news?

    Well, according to CNN’s Candy Crowley, the Obama campaign does.

    On Monday’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” after CNN senior political analyst David Gergen said “what happened over the weekend with the economy and the bottom falling out of the financial markets…is the opportunity for Obama to seize the momentum back on his side,” Crowley actually said, “[J]ust as foreclosures were showing up on B-17, or in the real estate section, along comes this horrific headline out of Wall Street…I mean, this is what they wanted.”

    I kid you not. The transcript of this disgraceful exchange follows (h/t Steve Malzberg):

    DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: But what happened over the weekend with the economy and the bottom falling out of the financial markets — and we have been saying for some time on this program this is the worst financial crisis since the Depression — Alan Greenspan said on Sunday the worst economic situation he’s seen — it seems to me that there’s a real turning point now, that that momentum on McCain’s side is likely to fade. And there is the opportunity for Obama to seize the momentum back on his side. I don’t know if he’s going to do it or not. He is trying. McCain has an opportunity here as well. But there’s no question right now that this — this really dark economic situation is now going to be — is going to really — is going to, I think, blot out a lot of this question about who — the backing-and-forthing and the advertising, and focus on the issues.

    ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Right.

    GERGEN: And that’s what — that’s what Obama has wanted to do. He’s now got the opportunity.

    I think, personally, he’s got the critique down, but he still hasn’t provided a message about what he would do, nor has he really surrounded himself, in the way he needs to, with the Bob Rubins and the Paul Volckers and the Larry Summers and Laura Tysons, and have them as a tight unit. I think he still has to do that.

    COOPER: Candy, no doubt — very quickly — on the campaign trail, it obviously played a big role today. You anticipate, in the days ahead, issue number one, it’s going to be front and center?

    CANDY CROWLEY, CNN: Oh, absolutely.

    I mean, listen, just as foreclosures were showing up on B-17, or in the real estate section, along comes this horrific headline out of Wall Street.

    COOPER: Right.

    CROWLEY: I mean, this is what they wanted. They believe, of course, that the economy is one of their strengths and that they can paint John McCain as George Bush.

    Isn’t that nice? The nation’s banking system is collapsing, and members of CNN are not only discussing how it helps Obama, but are admitting that this is what his campaign wanted.

    How disgraceful.

  169. Yes, but NOW does have (all over their Home page) support women, elect women NOW, etc. give me a break

  170. pofe: I believe that John Paul II articulated current church doctrine in his encyclical EVANGELIUM VITAE. Before that, I guess there was some historical room for debate regarding it b/c women could be excommunicated for aborting (but not attempting to abort) a “quickened” child. Then, you get into the whole “delayed ensoulment” Augustinian theory, which is where Pelosi got into trouble recently. There has been some back and forth on the exact timing, yes. I don’t think Gary’s statement regarding sperm is entirely correct–I think that Catholics must be open to procreation and birth control impedes that. I know very few Catholics who are against birth control even though it is church doctrine. But I go to a Jesuit parish, so . . . Also, I believe that, in dicussing the issue at church, the current assessment is that, of all the church social issues (homosexuality, abortion, women priests), the next Pope (not Benedict, who is conservative) may redefine church doctrine regarding birth control.

  171. tom-Now, if he would announce his Supreme picks, that would be worthwhile. I’m sure Mac would pick up even more votes if he announced Sunstein and Kmiec. He wouldn’t be that stupid though, would he?

  172. OT – But clever. Today I received an email from a friend that had insults written by famous people. In particular I found this one by writer Walter Kerr very appropriate to Obama:

    ‘He had delusions of adequacy.’

    To me it says it all.

  173. Troll alert on “Yeah What She Said” and boy it is definitely a kool aid drinking robot.

  174. Speaking of NQ, they posted an excellent opinion piece by Dr Lynette Long to the Baltmore Sun Sunday.

    Among other points, Long discusses how she tried to work with the Obama team and was rather rudely dismissed, while Sen McCain listened respectfully. I don’t think Obama was in on any meetings.

    Long pressured the Obama team to promise something for her support, such as an equal number of women in the Cabinet. The aide protested that perhaps there wouldn’t be enough qualified women. Then he basically told her it wasn’t going to happen.

    Isn’t this hysterical? Might not be enough qualified women for an Obama Cabinet? The funniest thing to me is that years ago black activists rejected this argument from those opposed to Affirmative Action or any sort of quota. It’s a pretty good argument against a quota; really, how many black philosophy or computer science professors are there that will come to a small college in eastern Kentucky, or Wyoming or New Mexico, or anyplace where they have no family or ties or any great interest in the area? But it’s a stupid argument against 51% of the population.

  175. A couple of slogans from the seventies have come to mind recently:
    “Sisterhood is Powerful”
    and
    “Don’t Trash a Sister>”
    I may disagree with Sarah Palin on most, if not all, issues but I will never belittle or insult her and will not allow anyone in my presence to do it without consequence.

  176. tom, that’s hilarious! Huffpo wants the evil, warmongering, militaristic, Bush-Cheney lite, AUMF voting, ZOMG-going-to-attack-Iran-any second-via Kyle-Lieberman! Hillary as Sec of STATE??

    ROTFLMAO!!!

  177. Thanks, Mick.

  178. Great! The country is going to h*ll but Obama picks up votes. Super! In combination with keeping the troops in Iraq, everything’s goint Obama’s way. Whoopee! Though a scared populace may stick with the old cranky guy they know and not the Messiah they don’t. Oops.

  179. I’m getting truly afraid of Obama. What kind of man is he? He wants the economy to tank cos he gets to blame Bush, he wants to delay troop withdrawals from Iraq, cos it benefits his presidency. This man is scary. Please get a grip. America, and send this guy back to chicago. He is dangerous. Get serious about it. If you can, tell others about the dangers. This will affect the whole world. Obama is power-hungry and insane. And imagine him facing Putin. No way, he’ll want to run back to Michelle in the white house. yes, I’m being harsh, but you have to make sure that this guy doesn’t win.

  180. WMCB: I think it is called Ohmyfuckinggodweare losingdosomethingquickcallHillary.

  181. Nancy just declared when asked about Sarah, “Well, I don’t think we have seen her resume yet that indicates whether or not she is qualified ………………………”

    But Nancy, “She has a real ‘freshness’ to her. Isn’t that the qualification you gave to Greta regarding BO’s qualifications?”

    Take her out in CA. Please!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  182. Gotta rush to get ready for work but I wanted to thank madamab for an excellent write-up. I had not heard of the 30% rule either but it definitely makes sense.

    MAWM, regarding the gays: I have heard that over and over and over again – that we gays just need to stop flaunting it, stop being so flamboyent. My answer to that is that some of that flamboyence is part of our culture and I don’t want it to go anywhere. When I moved down to Australia, I noticed right away that the average Aussie isn’t bothered at all about open homosexuality. I finally “came out” down here and I truly believe the more out we are, even if it includes flamboyence, the further along we will push our cause. The same goes for women’s issues right now.

  183. Tom, it is difficult to decide whether the Huffington Post piece or the CNN is more stupid and insulting.

  184. I saw the Senate on c-span today approve another 70 BILLION for Iraq and Afghanistan. Uneffingbelievable.

  185. Carol-But did Nancy say she was a gift from God? If not, then BO is better. : )

  186. Mawm and Scrubs: the same can be said for a straight single woman, I wish I knew how many times I have been asked, “Why aren’t you out there dating, you need a man” Blah Blah yuck Blah.

  187. scrubs57, Joan, Kim(The Real)

    I don’t think it is always because others want to oppress us. Sometimes I think it is simply that behaving outside the norm is threatening in itself. People are resistant to change whether or not it is a good change or bad.

  188. Kim’s fine, we know who I am.

  189. You have to hear the speech McCain just gave. At the end, he said BO gave a speech today regarding the Wall Street crisis and what he did blah, blah. “Well, that is news to us that actually sponsored the bill. And Barack Obama didn’t even show up to vote that day.”

    He batted down that knat, stepped on him, twisted his foot over him in a smashing motion and then wiped off his shoe in the grass.

  190. Joan – If they can do that then they should approve Hillary’s mass transit bill which is only 1.7 billion and will create jobs for people

  191. Is Tom getting on any one else’s nerves? The double postings, the rants against Obama seem a little too much.

  192. Jmac, think he is a republican in a puma suit?

  193. Joan, I remembered that God line from Nancy this weekend when the Obots really went after Sarah for her religious views and the statement she gave to the troops leaving for Iraq.

  194. oops, sorry. Jmac, if it offends you, I wont repeat it again. I’m sincere.

  195. Leave the Republicans alone. I just became one. Trig and Piper are Republicans. Eddy is thinking about it.

  196. TheRealKim – Yes. Plus he’s posting all the same stuff (repeatedly) on No Quarter.

  197. That’s right.

    God gave us BO, but Sarah can’t hope to be on God’s side!

    WoW! Let’s keep those distinctions in mind.

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  198. Oh God Carol, I may vote for one, but I am not one. I have to call myself independent. The thought of calling myself republican is just toooooo much.

  199. Carol, I know Pat would offer some really clever repartee now. Sorry, all I can say is that Eddy may need to switch parties after Nov 5.

  200. Well, we have become a tad wary of people. Look at the stats, lots of newbies. I am annoying at times too, I am sure.

  201. Downticket-Definitely! Lots of great projects could be done. We could have healthcare! Such a waste of lives and money.

  202. oops, looks like I made a big mistake. ok, see ya all.

  203. Where is Pat and Janis?

  204. Carol, just switch back for Hillary in ’12, ok?

  205. Tom, you don’t have to leave. We are just leery at times.

  206. I was one before I was a Democrat. Now, I’ve moved back. It’s simple, does not require any therapy, only the desire to make the best choice from the opportunity we have.

    Real people can’t vote “present”, they have to make a choice and proceed with integrity and honor.

    Besides, if it is good enough for Trig and Piper, it’s good enough for me. Just don’t tell Ryan. He is still having issues. But, he will come around.

  207. gary – I still think there is time for Hillary in 2009. I’ve got my fingers crossed.

  208. tom seems fine to me but since we are at it, Iron Man bothers me. He post really long articles and never discusses anything with anyone. Seems rude to just use RD’s place as posting space. He posts something unrelated on just about every thread. Anyone else notice this?

  209. hmm….I’ve suddenly thought of chocolate mousse. I’d like to have it. where is my favourite restaurant menu? :-)

  210. Yeah I have noticed it. The only thing about Tom is, didn’t he say he had a relative die at WTC on 9/11? And that he was from another country or am I confusing him with someone else?

  211. Carol, seriously, it really makes me want to tear my hair out that Obama has done this to our party. I’m sure a lof of good people like you are making the very same decision, decimating the Democratic Party. I hope you decide to return once we send that asshole packing back to the sewers of chicago politics…

  212. Was that you Tom that had a relative in one of the towers?

  213. Gary I am just independent now. I hate saying even that. I was such a loyal yella dawg.

  214. Thank you madamab. You are so right. In fact, today when I went to vote for Ed O’Reilly in the primary, I voted for a woman I’d never heard of–just because she was a woman.

    A woman who used to be a coworker of mine is active in the local Republican party committees, and she always works at the polls. I told her I had come to vote against John Kerry, because I was so mad about what happened to Hillary. This Republican woman told me she had wanted to vote for Hillary for President.

    It just makes me sick that Obama is going to lose. Hillary would have carried PA, OH, and FL, as well as Ark., WV, KY, and TN. She could have won! I too will vote for McCain/Palin if it is close in MA–truthfully, I think McCain will win here.

  215. We have a lot of new people here which is good.

    Sometimes I think this or that about a newer poster, but I try to cut people slack, as long as they are polite, don’t try to talk us into Obama, and aren’t too obvious with the Republican-pushing. We demand polite, we refuse to vote Obama, we want Hillary more than anyone else, and some of us are open to different voting options this fall.

    The last one is the stickler, we have to be careful not to push a 3rd party agenda, or a Republican agenda, or a write-in agenda too forcefully since we don’t all agree on those.

  216. TheRealKim, you’re right. I am from another country. And I did lose my brother on 09/11. :-( I’m also a political junkie…. good memory, TheRealKim

  217. Pat is sick and in bed.

  218. HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS???

    Both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin will participate in a protest on Monday of the presence of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadienjad, NBC News has learned.

    The two politicians will not appear together at the protest but will both participate, according to those close to the organizing of this protest. The event is being organized by a coalition of groups (mostly Jewish) upset by the presence of Ahmadienjad in New York at the opening of the U.N. General Assembly and the threat Iran presents to “global security.”
    HILLARY AND SARAH together .. what a staggeringly awesome duo they make I bet they would get more done together than ANY of the other candidates …

    ( you knew i was a little crazy didnt you ?? )

  219. Tom, but didn’t you apologize for your broken English? You have begun to write quite well, I’ve noticed.

  220. So why the chocolate mousse comment, tom?

  221. Carol

    You said you still have hope for Hillary in ’09. How do you see that playing out? I still have hope, too. Do you think that if California or New York start polling red that there may be a mutiny at the DNC and they ditch Obama?

    What do you think?

  222. Yeah, I can’t remember where I read it but the protest against Ahmadienjad was to do with children being executed in Iran. One girl was sentenced to death for stabbing one of three men that attempted to rape her. Just boggles the mind.

  223. I’m writing well? oh good. I’m trying to improve all the time. But honestly, I just copy and paste from different stories. I’m just trying. And yes, you would be angry on how I think. cos for you, the elections are basically national. but for me, the american president affects the whole world. believe me, its true. sorry.

  224. Sarah Palin is going to be interviewed on Hannity tonight.

    I have been getting BOMBARDED by friends and their hysteria about Palin. It’s getting ridiculous.

    ROE V. WADE!
    ROE V. WADE!
    ROE V. WADE!

    Someone sent me a link to a CBSNews story pulled form The Nation (written by Katha Pollit) ripping Palin too. I will include a link here later.

    p.s. I just got into an argument with my boss, a liberal woman of four, that believes there is no way a woman can take on that job and be a good mother. I am speechless about the way “liberal”women are judging Palin’s choices. What happened to real CHOICE? She quoted a new piece circulated condemning Palin by Eve Ensler. I have no idea what to say to any of these people anymore.

  225. fif

    Whooo-weee! I’d be tempted to tell your boss to “go home and take care of her kids if that’s the way she feels about working mothers.”

    Way to get fired!!! LOL!

  226. fif, I’m sorry to hear that. Please try and not talk politics with your boss. That may have repercussions. Try and be a bit careful, fif. :-)

  227. Joan, cos I like it. I’ve just ordered it from my favourite restaurant. :-)

  228. This was sent to me by another friend this a.m. She’s a TV producer in LA, and her husband is a Yalie screenwriter. Gary, this is the hate and hysteria you were talking about. How am I supposed to respond tot his–I am going to start losing friends and jobs.

    Don’t you love that Sarah Palin?? She really speaks for me when she says we should go to war with Russia! And I love that she’s anti-caribou!! Maybe she should preach abstinance to some of those pesky wolves then we wouldn’t have such an over-population. I’d like
    to shoot her from a plane.

    Just had to weigh in. My mom hates Sarah so much she and my dad are voting for Obama. And that taps into some of that old south prejudice so there’s hope for the rest of ‘em. How are you surviving the
    politics?

    I received another email with Palin surrounded by hunted animals.

    HELP PUMAS!! I am being smothered by this crap.

  229. My father just got a solicitation letter from the DNC. It was nice to see him grin rather impishly. Sending it back will be cathartic for him. But, it is rather sad knowing that our family is being hit hard when it comes to issues like the stock market/economy and health care. This election really ought to be about the issues that face us as a nation, but that is predicated on both candidates being viable options. So, now the election really turns on the issue of character. It’s quite a thing to vote for the sake of one’s country at the detriment of one’s personal well-being. I’m sure I am not alone in this sentiment, but it sure does feel lonely when everyone seems to have lost their minds.

    Btw, (imho) tom is a troll. there have been a couple tossing up at clintondems.

    Anyway, anyone have links to where one can print out PUMA cash?

  230. I’ll check in when I get home. Thanks for listening. The only sane oasis I have right now.

  231. I got polled today by the Democrats for Barack. The young woman was very nice and said she understood where I was coming from. She sounded pretty resigned and I could at least make her happy regarding Warner.

  232. gary – don’t pull your hair out. I have a really good feeling about all of this. I think McCain/Palin will do things that Hillary was even going to do. Then she can step in and finish the cleanup to an excellent government. Bill and Hillary will always be our heroes.

  233. McCain would be remiss not to send people to the PUMA blogs. But, personally, I’d rather have an Obot join in.

  234. jvsp – go to http://www.pumapac.com you can get the cash. Add 2 cents just to make sure you are using the envelop for it’s intension.

  235. fif, calm down. Let the naysayers say what they want. If its your boss, don’t argue. If its your friends or family, tell them that you have decided to go in for Palin. And dont give further explanations or justifications. Just say that you have decided and thats that. and whatever anyone says, tell them honestly that you dont care, and your vote belongs to YOU. and you’ll vote according to whom you wish.

  236. Carol

    Did you see my question to you at 5:36?

  237. Hello Pumas, how’s life through our political looking-glass? NOW’s endorsement of Obama/Biden is truly the cherry on the sundae. Voting for the pro-life conservative woman and that guy she’s running with is perfectly consistent with our newly topsy-turvy universe.

  238. Gary, Kim, I am a newly-minted Independent as well. I still think of Democrats as ‘us’, though…can’t shed the identity. It’s hard. On the other hand, to evaluate information without backing any candidate is liberating. I see how our Stevensonian left is every bit as obnoxious as our evangelical right.

  239. Meanwhile, Left Freeperville is obsessing over a tanning bed!

  240. CWaltz, I wonder how many folks like us they’re coming across. I live in Northern Virginia and this weekend saw a car with a Hillary bumper sticker. It had a McCain sticker directly to the right of it. My husband and I got a chuckle. Wish I’d had a camera with me!

  241. What’s the news on the OReilly/Kerry front? Hope at the least it is close. Saw the Hillster today deftly focusing her campaigning on issues and the top of the ticket. God I love that woman.

    McCain has to pull his economic message together and get some heavy lifters supporting that message. Obama has landed some telling shots. I think this economic moment is probably going to decide the election and Obama has a big advantage McCain Palin must overcome. I pray they are up to it because I can not abide an O victory.

    Shout out to Pat Johnson on the ropes today. Hope your bout with life’s body zingers gives you time to come up with more of your great lines that help me go from blog to blog, fog to fog and totally avoid real life.

  242. Mawm- I am not sure if you are still around, but I would like to second your comment on abortion rights. It is fundamentally an issue of personal sovereignty. I was blessed to have three children that I wanted, could afford and were healthy. Being pregnant , in our society, controls your life. I can still remember the partner I was working with on a trial, wanting to know ‘when’ I was having the baby and when I would be back, so he could schedule me to do depositions. :evil: If you do not want to be pregnant , for whatever reason, you should not have to be pregnant. End of discussion. That said, I would love it if our society supported women who want to have children but are challenged by the pregnancy.

  243. Carol,
    thanks. I found a link.

  244. That said, I would love it if our society supported women who want to have children but are challenged by the pregnancy.
    **************
    That is the wing-nut position..love the fetus and no so much societies responsibilities to the mother and child; they are on their own.

  245. If Hillary does decide that she wants to try again in 2012 she can’t be ML because she will also be campaigning for her senate re-election. I know Hillary is a great multitasker but it will be too much work for her.

  246. [...] Madamab reviews Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney’s book, “Rumors of Our Progress Have Been Greatly Exaggerated,” and discusses The 30% Solution and its relevance to this year’s election. I’ve got this book on my “to read” stack and madamab’s review has prompted me to start reading it when I get home tonight.  If 30% of the Senate and House were women, you can bet your increasingly-less-valuable paycheck that both parties would be feeling a lot more responsible to that constituency. But as it is now, the Democrats have gotten fat and lazy, assuming that we will hand them our votes no matter what they do, resting on their decades-old laurels and doing little or nothing to stop this horrendous attack on our reproductive freedoms.  [...]

  247. fif, I just saw this YouTube on another site, and I have sent it to all of the Obots I know who have been flaming me with anti-Sarah Palin e-mails. Just forward this link to them with a response saying that you found out some more dirt on Palin. It should put an end to their hysteria. (And it’s crazy funny!)

  248. Downticket, on September 16th, 2008 at 6:24 pm Said:

    If Hillary does decide that she wants to try again in 2012 she can’t be ML because she will also be campaigning for her senate re-election. I know Hillary is a great multitasker but it will be too much work for her.
    ************
    I agree…Hillary ’12 and Hillary ML are incompatible political goals.

  249. kitty, on September 16th, 2008 at 6:49 pm Said:
    ***************
    These rants show an interesting psychopathology. When I read history, I always wonder why Russian children would report their parents to the MKVD to be sent to the camps, or the same with the cultural revolution or the Killing Fields in Cambodia. I got a brief look at that social sickness from “Kitty:.

  250. I’m pretty sure “Kitty” is an adolescent boy. He’s usually just wailing away to himself n the spam filter He sneaks through the cracks every once and while though :)

  251. garychapelhill, on September 16th, 2008 at 6:59 pm Said:

    I’m pretty sure “Kitty” is an adolescent boy. He’s usually just wailing away to himself n the spam filter He sneaks through the cracks every once and while though :)
    ***********
    I do too…but the psychopathology is still fascinating, kinda like looking at a car wreck.

  252. They say they’re pro-choice. It’s a CHOICE! Sarah made her choice.

    I’m back from my day under Palin siege. Seriously, I feel like people are really becoming violently unhinged. I don’t know what has been unleashed here, but it is intense. As I wrote earlier, my “liberal” boss who has 4 kids and her own business, confronted me about my defense of Palin’s right to choose her own life. Isn’t that the same as not having the government tell me what to do with my body–that she can choose career and motherhood?

    B [boss]: “With five kids, and a 17 yr. old that is pregant and a special needs child, that’s incredibly selfish.”
    P [Puma, ie: me]: But you don’t have a partner, she has a husband and extended family who is willing to help. And besides, that is THEIR business.
    B: It’s not the same. It’s not the same, and she is incredibly selfish.

    When we reached an impasse with this, she said, “Aren’t you worried about if the Republicans get in it will be four years of the same policies we’ve had?”

    I tried to explain that McCain’s record indicates that he is a moderate and he has signaled that he will govern that way. I also emphasized that they objectified and demonized Hillary in the same way in the 90’s, and the Left is doing the same thing with wild exaggerations and mischaracterizations of Palin, including contraception, book banning & creationism. She said sarcastically, “Oh, so those are ALL made up?”

    There was nothing left to say. Something very strange and primal is going on right now, and as a PUMA, I feel like I am right in the middle, watching aghast. It’s some kind of national PTSD caused by Bush. People don’t even want the facts. If Palin could be tied to a stake and burned, I think they would do it.

  253. oh yeah, he’s a sick little puppy. he’s got some harsh words for me since I stuck him back down in the filter. we have our own little troll zoo…lol

  254. janicen: are you still here?

    That is hilarious, thank you.

  255. I was thinking the other day that all of these obama-stinkies hollering about Roe v. Wade (as if 90% of them even give a blank,blank) can just make it their life’s work to protect Roe v. Wade. Since Obama fired them all up (he did that right? fired ‘em all up?)
    to do such marvelous workings in the world– the protection of Roe v. Wade should be right up their alley.

    I would never be cynical enough to suggest that the
    orgiastic college kids wrything in adoration and
    activist splendour would ever just piss off and go home if Obama lost. I know that their fervor is what they say it is… all pure and deep and guided by the highest ideals. So it will be sad for them when Obama is taken out with the rest of the trash come that Wednesday morning in November, but I am sure they will rally and protect all the things they say they have taken a blood oath to protect.

  256. Madamab,
    really enjoyed your piece.

  257. Madamab

    This was a wonderful post. I have been reading this site for the past few months. As an ardent Hillary supporter , who was appalled by what happened to her candidacy, this site was a welcome and reassuring find. I will vote Republican for the first time in 36 years (yes, I am another angry, white woman). I will cast that vote with more enthusiasm than any vote I have ever cast. With McCain/Palin gaining in NY, my vote may have more impact than ever. You are right. It is time women started voting in their own self interest. If that means we need to become single issue voters…”all women-all the time”…so be it.

  258. britgirls – I still believe the 527′s and McCain is holding something to take him out. Also, the lawsuit making him produce his birth certificate, any adoption and his passports with his name. He did travel on an Indonesian passport to Pakistan in his 20′s. Why and How?

  259. Good post!

  260. Why on earth is is that you alleged Hillary supporters won’t listen to what she says? No McCain, no Palin, no way. Could it be any clearer?

    You’re a sorry bunch of Republican shills and I hope the rest of us don’t have to reap the miserable fruit you sow.

  261. If you are voting for Palin for the simple reason she is a woman, I think you just set the women’s lib movement back 50 years.

  262. I have admitted on other blogs that I would have voted for a Democrat for the first time ever if Hillary Clinton had won her Party’s nomination.

    Being a life-long Republican, I’m not sure if adding Palin to the ticket would have swung me back to McCain. It’s too hard to honestly say based on hypothetical “what-ifs.”

    I could never vote for Obama and was reluctant to vote for McCain. With Palin on the ticket, it’s a no-brainer now.

    I’ve never linked to a non-conservative blog before and I still may not, but I am seriously considering linking to this post. I found it to be very interesting and intelligently written!

  263. The problem I see with this “30% solution” is that it takes an extraordinarily simplified view of the world. Sexism is not the only problem with it; competent, transparent and effective government, for example, is also a very big issue. You can’t just focus on one and ignore the other. Imagine if we said, “We’ll just put global warming on the side for now while we figure out what to do about this racism thing.” Or “This guy doesn’t want to do anything about the AIDS pandemic, believes that poor people ‘deserve it,’ and thinks that gay marriage comes straight from Satan’s mouth — but I’m voting for him because he’s black!” (Substitute in whatever you DON’T like about McCain/Palin; I exaggerate for the sake of my point.)

    This “practical solution” also ignores the fact that every woman, indeed, every politician, is different — the fact that Sarah Palin is female does not necessarily mean that she is equivalent to Hillary Clinton, nor that she is equally suited to the White House. Then there’s the phenomenon of anti-male sexism: you may be trying to advance the role of women in the government, but voting for a woman for no reason other than her sex is every bit as sexist as NOT voting for a woman for the same reason. Overcompensation is not a real solution to the problem, just a variation on it.

    While this policy might, possibly, eventually benefit women, if consistently applied, it would very likely place a great many unfit, unqualified, and otherwise unelectable politicians in places of great responsibility — where I, personally, don’t want them.

    Let’s get something straight: I’m a woman. And I did not particularly want Hillary Clinton for my president. I would welcome a woman in the white house, but I disagreed with Clinton’s ideas, her policies, and her plans for this country. (Had she been nominated, I should mention, I certainly would have voted for her over McCain — because, you see, I like his plans far less.) Similarly, I strongly disagree with Sarah Palin’s views on — well, just about everything, really. I simply do not want Sarah Palin as my vice president, literally one step away from the presidency. She could be a man, a child, an orangutan, or a transvestite of African/Middle Eastern/Cambodian/Jewish/Polish/Australian Aboriginal descent who was orphaned at a young age and adopted by a gay couple. With her lack of experience, her opinions, and her track record, I would not vote for her, no matter what body she was in.

    We, as a country, cannot ever defeat sexism, racism, homophobia and every other kind of prejudice unless we remember what really matters in our elections. It’s not the body of the person running, but the brain inside it: what it’s been through, how it functions, and what it’s thinking.

  264. I’m afraid I agree with an earlier post. You’re a bunch of Republican shills, if you’re anything. Voting for a person simply because you relate to their surface qualities (race, gender, whatever) is blissfully naive with regard to the complexities of politics. By what possible extension of logic do you go and vote Republican simply because you do not agree with matters of nuance within the Democratic platform? But if you want to go on being proud (pathetic, self-pitying) spoilers, and continue to play checkers while Republicans play chess, then by all means. Surrender a mile so you can have your inch; take the reins, and try to self-righteously steer the country wherever YOU solely prefer. Good grief. (And on the other hand, good post though. Mediocre research, even if it is illegitimately constructed.)

  265. [...] Tags: Abortion, Election 2008, McCain, Obama, Politics, Womens Rights trackback I came across an interesting post that seems to be a site for Ex-Hillary supporters who are going to vote for McCain/Palin.  Rather [...]

  266. I simply do not want Barack Obama as my president, literally zero steps away from the presidency. He could be a woman, a child, an orangutan, or a transvestite of African/Middle Eastern/Cambodian/Jewish/Polish/Australian Aboriginal descent who was orphaned at a young age and adopted by a gay couple. With his lack of experience, his opinions, and his track record, I would not vote for him, no matter what body he was in.

    Congratulations. You took the words out of many people’s mouths.

  267. Voting for a person simply because you relate to their surface qualities (race, gender, whatever) is blissfully naive with regard to the complexities of politics.

    Tell that to the 80%-90% of African American voters who voted for Obama in the primaries. I dare you, jesse wait.

  268. Maybe it is because I am in a very bad place right now,
    but if one more of this stupid morons calls me a republican shill I know I won’t be politcally correct.
    I wil not vote for backtrack because I love my country and he and his friends would destroy it.
    If they don’t think enough of America to protect her then go to Kenya with backtracks cousin.
    obots think bombers are good people. I have been in a postion where someone planted a bomb where I worked for political purposes. I don’t like bombers.
    Going to a church where the so called preacher sermon it “God damn America” and blame whitey for all your problems does not make want to vote for backtrack.
    Writing that he would defend muslims over Americans does inspire much loyalty.
    Now since obots think it is ok to elect enemies of my country, I want them to go away.
    Most of them would not make a pimple on a true Americans ass.
    backtrack is the first presidential candidate that is not loyal to America.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  269. GREAT — I found a home here. I read these heart felt memos and I am a PUMA.
    Great –when is the convention for us…we need a party after we vote in Mccain and Palin

    now i feel good.
    thanks

  270. Excellent post. Just excellent. This is exactly the kind of thinking we need to move PUMA forward into action and getting results. Women have to work together. Great job.

  271. I have to go to bed and don’t have time to read all the comments, so I am sorrry if I’m repeating something someone else said, but there’s something magical that happens when a subgroup gets big enough; people feel sufficiently supported to go against the flow, as they don’t when alone or in small numbers. If we reach 30%, we’re more likely to see women who have not behaved in a supportive way starting to do so, because the culture will have changed, and they’ll have permission to do so. Not the flag of courage, but still valuable, imo.

  272. [...] woman voter.  Palin was in part chosen to appeal to disillusioned Hillary supporters.  From blogs like this one and statistics like this,  I gather that the strategy is working.  The problem started much [...]

  273. [...] The Confluence: The 30 Percent Solution: Why Democratic Women Are Voting for McCain/Palin [...]

  274. [...] This post was originally published last week at Partizane, The Confluence, and MadamaB’s own blog. We’re delighted to re-publish it here, and to welcome MadamaB [...]

  275. [...] This post was originally published last week at Partizane, The Confluence, and MadamaB’s own blog. We’re delighted to re-publish it here, and to welcome MadamaB [...]

  276. [...] a long struggle, I’m completely comfortable with my decision now. I’ve been sold on the 30% solution ever since MadamaB first wrote about it. And I will not, cannot vote for Barack Obama. On Tuesday, [...]

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