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Thursday: Hillary keeps moving things along!

Mass transit:  F$%^!  Can we have Hillary back now??

The first time I saw Hillary Clinton in person, I was at YearlyKos07.  I signed up for her breakout session and waited patiently until it was almost over before she called on me to ask a question.  It was about mass transit.  Believe it or not, the answer she gave me was even more detailed than the one she broadly outlined in the clip above.  It was what sealed the deal for me.  She truly is the gold standard.

Her focus on mass transit and infrastructure is pretty important to me. Beside the fact that my grandfather was a bus driver, I had experienced the French mass transit system while on business trips and compared to the system we have in NY and NJ, we are so far behind it’s not funny.  Let’s put it this way:  I live about 36 miles from Manhattan, but if I want to go to an event there by mass transit, it takes me several trains.  My BFF, living in Nyack, NY only has to take one.  What takes him 30 minutes takes me an hour and a half.  One of the reasons for this is that the most direct commuter train lines from Central NJ were shut down and rerouted back in the late 60′s and early 70′s.  The train tracks are still there although some of the stations are in disrepair.  I often wonder how much money it would take to get the CRR-NJ up and running again and wouldn’t it be worth the investment, now that we have come to realize that oil is a finite resource?  If France can do it, why not us?

Hillary is already thinking ahead and not just in mass transit.  She mentions how important it is to make sure that Congress, and by that she means a Congress with more Progressive Democrats, continues to look forward and work towards the future, shoring up our infrastructure and reducing our dependence on foreign oil.  Let’s give her all of the help we can.  Put your effort this fall into electing more progressive Dems to Congress.  You can consult our ActBlue recommendations in the Blogroll or tell us about your favorite so we can add him or her to our slate.  Then, make a committment to phone bank or canvass for your candidate this fall.  This is especially important now because McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin has energized the social conservative base. Unfortunately, the Obama campaign isn’t satisfied with trying to destroy Hillary’s career.  Heidi Li has word that they are retaliating against Sheila Jackson Lee for sticking with Hillary to the end.  If you have a few yuppy foodstamps, why not sent them to her?  With the Palin effect and the Obama zealots out for blood, we could end up with fewer progressive pick ups than we expected this fall.

It’s the best way to help Hillary for those of us who cannot in good conscience vote for Obama.

Let’s roll!

A few more things:

  • Ed O’Reilly’s campaign is gearing up for next week’s primary in Massachusetts to defeat John Kerry. This weekend’s GOTV activities are crucial. If defeating John Kerry sounds intriguing to you, and I know it does, contact Ed’s campaign office and sign up to volunteer to phone bank or canvass for him.   The more people covering MA, the better his chances are.  Seriously.  There is no better way to get votes than person to person contact.  Canvassing is easy.  If you go with a partner, you’ll get plenty of exercise and have a great time.  And here’s a perfect opportunity to send a message to the DNC that we will hold it accountable in November. Opportunities like this, the chance to change the Democrat’s game plan in a significant way, don’t come along that often.  This one is a biggy, guys.  If Ed wins the primary and tosses Kerry on his ass or at least gets the numbers close enough, the DNC will freak.  Plus Ed’s a good guy.  Fun for all!
  • Anglachel has another fascinating post about what drives the old uneducated working class sino-peruvian lesbians to vote like they do and why the Dean Democrats look down their noses at them.
  • Finally, tonight is the annual Tribute in Light to memorialize those who perished on September 11, 2001 at the World Trade Center in Manhattan.  Those of us who live in these nether regions have an opportunity to see the lights shine.  One of the best places to view them is at Liberty State Park in Jersey City where you can look across the harbor.  It is touchingly beautiful.  Go at dusk to get the full effect.
September 11, 2001- Never Forget

September 11, 2001- Never Forget

164 Responses

  1. Interesting comment I found elsewhere:

    Clatech wrote on 09/11/2008 at 05:00 AM
    Re: What Would Gary Do?
    Obama’s remark “Lipstick on a Pig”, gaff or calculated?
    Only if you believe Barrack Obama is a gifted orator who knows how to play to an audience would you be offended by a remark that seemingly jabs Sarah Palin? You would also have to know the street use of this term, analogous to putting a paper bag over a woman’s head before sexual intercourse.

  2. Are Democrats supporting a Republican against Sheila Jackon Lee or is there another primary like in Ma? Either way it is bizarre.

    Just looked it up in the Houston Chronicle. Apparenty the Obama supporter who planned to run against her as a write in dropped the idea, thank goodness. That does not mean that she will not suffer payback. What turds.

  3. I found a new Puma video :)

    I don’t know how to embed these things :/

  4. Good morning.

    Never used the French mass transit. However, when I lived in Mexico city, I was quite impressed by their underground system (designed by the French, I understand).

    Hillary back, please.

  5. Did Regency ever comment on whether she wanted contributions to get her into the “JOIN HILLARY IN HOUSTON, SEPT 21, 1.30 PM” event?

  6. RD – great post. I commuted into the city for 2 years before coming to our current place of employ. It would take me 2 hours each way to get into the city and across town! We can certainly do better than this.

    Just another comment – I was watching Good Morning America this morning (remind me not to watch GMA again). There was an attack piece on Sarah Pallin and how she doesn’t support woman who have been abused. Not once during the report was it mentioned that “Trooper-gate” involved her abusive ex-brother-in-law! Oops – how could GMA forget to mention that? Can you say Media bias?

  7. I live about eight miles from the University I attend and work at. I can drive there in 20-30 mins., depending on traffic. To get there on the T, I would have to change three times and it would take about 2 hours. Plus it is more expensive than driving.

  8. From:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26640489/

    “But if I were an Obama partisan I would be worried that his mistakes have a common thread – pride.

    Obama seems to want to do things on his own, and on his own terms. It’s understandable. Obama has his own crowd – from Chicago, from Harvard, and from a new cadre of wealthy, Ivy-educated movers and shakers. “

  9. OT, but is there anyway to get rid of these gravatar things? It makes the page take forever to refresh, makes it difficult to read the comments and looks unprofessional. I noticed that Uppity Woman now has these showing on her website, too, although she’s made them all light gray so they’re not as offensive. Is this something required now on WordPress?

  10. In my part of North Jersey, I’d have to drive 20 mins to get to the train, but they don’t run all day; only during commuter hours. There’s the bus, which isn’t too bad. I usually just drive to the ferry and take that across, but it’s expensive and I couldn’t do it if I were going on a regular basis.

    With a few exceptions, you can’t get from one place in NJ to another on public transit, unless you use NYC or Newark as a “hub.”

  11. hey, jerseygirl! Nice to see you here. Thanks for the help with Isis yesterday. It always works when YOU stare at it.

  12. I understand your pain about transportation in NJ. There’s been the long, ongoing discussion about getting trains to go ACROSS Central Jersey from Monmouth County and hooking them into the lines going north. This would be a help in relieving the horrible E-W traffic situation across Central Jersey as well as easing some of the travel into NYC.

    The track are there…through Jamesburg and Dayton/S. Brunswick and they’d hook up to the main line from Newark. But it’s a no go…why? Because houses are built along the trains tracks…in Dayton. That’s one of the big protests points. So, you buy a house next to tracks and are shocked if someone wants to run a train on them?
    And developers are allowed to build without proper easements/buffer zones?

    This is why things never get done…Jersey is so far behind on transportation it’s pathetic. Just look at how Route 1 is never going to go to 3 lanes in S. Brunswick, which bottles up the whole route…and they allow building right along it to make sure they can’t fix it!!

    The Paris metro is great…and having commuted to work via the London Underground for 6 months, I can tell you, it was great. I know there are more problems now, apparently…but still, they’ve added to it and compared to Jersey, it still is far superior.

    I figure that if we had high speed trains, one could get from Jersey to NM in about 24 hours, with stops. Instead of 3 days of driving at breakneck speeds for about 12 hours a day. About 20 years ago it took me 24 hours (overnight) to go from Trenton to Chicago!! SLOW….ridiculous. That would be only a few hours with a really high-speed train…about the same as hassling airports and planes….

    Yet, they nickel and dime Amtrak…no problems subsidizing airlines, however…

    GRRRR!!!!!!

  13. sorry for those typos….track/tracks in the wrong places! It’s 6:30 AM and I wasn’t going to on this early!!!

  14. Don’t forget your DEET mosquito repellent. The mosquitoes that carry West Nile bite at dusk.

  15. PS….I have another view of the Memorial Lights up at my blog..

    They are stunning…wish I could be there to see them tonight. My original home town was Rutherford…from Orient Way and Route 3 you have a clear view of the skyline from about 7 miles away….

  16. everyone glide over to no quarter and see what larry has found. Seems that ever since the 30th of August our sweet brothern at the democratic party have had a pig dressed up like Palin on their web site. Complete with brown wig, pearls, make up, and a suit that looks remarkably like the one she was wearing last wed. Of course obama will squirm, and um ahh, say he knew nothing but frankly i’m sick and tired of him and his excuse. What is he going to throw the entire party under the bus? Let’s cook obama’s bacon while the fire’s still hot.

  17. Yes, we are far behind many other countries when it comes to mass transit. True, the French metro system lacks air conditioning, but the network is good, as is the system in Moscow, London, and many other European cities.

    This is such an important issue — why is she the only one on the national stage who is talking about it? All week, the poster “downticket” has been providing us with excerpts about Senator Clinton’s continued efforts to make positive, meaningful changes. Meanwhile, Obama is going on Letterman to talk about putting lipstick on pigs. She still outshines him and she’s not even running.

  18. purplefinn, on September 11th, 2008 at 8:07 am Said:
    Did Regency ever comment on whether she wanted contributions to get her into the “JOIN HILLARY IN HOUSTON, SEPT 21, 1.30 PM” event?

    Regency made her goal and will be going .
    The Regency, Hillary and Sheila Summit is on !

    Riverdaughter, great post as always

  19. re: my previous comment — I can’t remember how many other metro systems have AC. I just mentioned Paris b/c that’s where my most recent experiences have been. And it was sweltering in those trains this summer! That’s got to be tough when you are commuting to work. Is there AC in the NY subways? I can’t recall.

  20. paper doll, Thank you.

  21. The D.C. Metro has AC.

  22. Beautifully written, riverdaughter. Truthfully, I’ve never given mass transit a second thought. I’ve been countrified all my life. If you didn’t have a car, you walked or cycled to the store for a loaf of bread, nevermind to work, which would have been a 14 or 15 mile trek.

    Thanks for imparting a great diary from your travels. The read was storybook and left me thinking, when was the last time our state or Fed government ever did anything to enhance the lifestyle of the general public? Honestly, I can’t think of anything since FDR.. A Hillary presidency would have been divine.

    Our minds and hearts will be with the victims and families of 9/11 today. From your vantage point tonight, riverdaughter, please say a prayer of sympathy for all us PUMAS not within sight of the 9/11 memorial tonight.

    sincere gratitude for all you do..

    Tellurian

  23. “You would also have to know the street use of this term, analogous to putting a paper bag over a woman’s head before sexual intercourse.”

    I always put a paper bag over my head before sex. My first wife insisted, and I got used to it.

    My last wife tried to get me to use a plastic bag, but I said no.

  24. I’ve never lived anywhere where mass transit was a resonable option.

    OT. In case anyone hasn’t heard there is a Fox debate of sorts tonight with Obama and Mccain. Should be interesting.

  25. although NC has an extensive rail system, it is not even used at the present for mass transit (although I do believe they did just start a light rail line in Charlotte) I live about 25 miles away from where I work (chapel hill to raleigh), driving it is about a 25 minute commute. If I were to take the bus it would take me nearly 2 hours and would actually cost more than I pay driving by myself, in a car that gets less than stellar gas mileage.

  26. Can someone please transport me back to my real universe, where President Gore is finishing his 2nd term and Dem presidential candidate Senator Clinton is way ahead in the polls?

  27. I grew up on Long Island, where trains are a part of your life. I adore trains, and thought this country was nuts when it let its train system deteriorate.

  28. My last wife tried to get me to use a plastic bag, but I said no.

    myiq2xu: you are too much. Such irreverent (and hilarious) snark in the morning has to come from you.

    You know what is amazing about Hillary? She can give an answer like than on ANY subject without notes. How the hell did this happen, that we ended up with the Stumbling Mumbler? No matter how many times we go over it, and analyze and discuss it, I still can’t believe it happened when we had Hillary available for this country. Travesty.

    Thoughts & sympathies for all 9/11 families.

  29. myiq2xu,

    Thanks for the laugh! Your humor helps makes many days a little easier for me to bear. It helps to be able to converse with like minded, although always independent thinking, people but when they also have wonderful senses of humor that’s a bonus. And you are the best bonus of all. Thank you for brightening my day!

  30. Am I in moderation for my last comment? I said he-double hockey sticks. I’ve done that before, and it wasn’t snagged. The comment just didn’t show up–is that how it works?

    If so, this will be my first moderation! I’m honored, I always felt left out.

  31. Oh dang. There it is…still non-moderated.

  32. votermom, gosh, that was a pleasant thought!!

  33. my1q2xu

    Thanks for making me spit my coffee!

  34. spew alert … myiqux you are too much …. fun that is

    Biden says Hillary would have beena better pick, soo true, also she would not ask a man in a wheelchair to stand up.

  35. Can someone here PLEASE…PLEASE… find out when Obama’s 2nd daughter’s (Sasha?) birthday is??!! I know it’s “around” now ; but I need the EXACT date. I promise I’ll explain.
    “Let’s NEVER FORGET this date in 2001″!

  36. Steve Cohen (D-TN) Compares Obama to Jesus, Sarah Palin To Pontius Pilate

    WHAT is Worng with this Party I would have expected ths from Republicans, honeslty the Dem Brand is dead at least for me.

    Thanks for the info on Ed I’ll sign up Kerry needs to go..

  37. Howdy friends! Not much time to be here these days :(

    Seattle has a disgraceful transit system, for a city that seems to think of itself at the forefront of things.

    I have been here nearly thirty years, and everytime it comes up for vote, the city supports it and the suburbs are against it.

  38. votermom-Lieberman would be the nominee. (shudders).

  39. I wonder how far in advance the “lipsitck” snark routine was planned.

    No one is still talking about BO’s statement on Stephanopoulos Sunday about “my Muslim faith”…

  40. Purplefinn: I got over 20 contributors and now me and my mom are going the Sheila Jackson-Lee fundraiser! It’s gonna be fantastic.

  41. I personally hate public transportation. I wish we would spend more money on alternative/cheaper fuels instead of throwing the money down the hole of public transportation. I understand it is really important for large cities because of the congestion issue, but I don’t think it is appropriate for all cities. Raleigh/Durham is fairly spread out, and it would take a huge amount of money to have a system that would actually work for people.
    When I go to NY/NJ I wonder how much of the tax money and toll fees go to corruption. I keep thinking that someone is intercepting those monies. Just to ride on the NJ turnpike cost a lot of money. If you multiply that by all the people travelling, the amount is staggering. Where does all the money go? The roads in NJ and around NY are terrible.
    One thing I wish would take off is telecommuting and web conferencing. A lot of people work jobs that can be done entirely on the computer. If they could work from home, they wouldn’t need to transport themselves publicly or privately.

  42. Hey Regency,

    Please say HI to our girl from me. Hope you get to see Bill also. Good Luck & God Bless.

  43. I would hate to see what our big cities would look like without public transportation.

  44. jules,

    Yes, the NYC subway cars have a.c.

  45. There might be more mass transit in the future when this country is so overpopulated that there is no more “country” and suburbia is assimilated into cities. 95% of us will never have mass transit until tha happens. Currently, the people who can’t use it would have to support it with their tax dollars and they are ,understandably, resistant. If only they had imagined the future after WWII when they lured the poplulace out of the cities and into subdivisions.

  46. I commuted from Philadelphia to Trenton for 2 years. That was not bad except when a tractor trailer jackknifed on I-95, which inevitably happened every other month. Then, I started commuting all the way to Monmouth Junction and it was living hell. Route 1 is a nightmare. It took me 35-40 minutes to drive 9 miles on Route 1 South in rush hour traffic. Thankfully, I now commute in town. It takes me 10 minutes to go 20 blocks on a nice, air conditioned Septa bus. But my mom comes in to Germantown from Upper Bucks county and she has no option except to drive, b/c otherwise she would have to train all the way into town and then back out again, adding at least 40 minutes to her commute. I took an urban planning class at Temple and the real issue today is the cross suburb transit. Its a monumentally expensive undertaking. I personally doubt there will be any real improvement in the Philadelphia suburbs. All of PA’s money will go into our crap bridges.

  47. Hi all,
    If possible can someone please see if they could answer the question I posed @ 9:42am. I’ll explain I promise??!!

  48. Thanks PamMc.

    Off-topic: I know it’s petty but I don’t want either Obama or McCain at Ground Zero. That was Hillary’s proving ground. Those are her people. She should be there to comfort them today not a couple of showoffs who might not bother if they weren’t running for President.

  49. votermom-Lieberman would be the nominee. (shudders).

    Aaaaarggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  50. “Regency” I couldn’t agree more!

  51. Regency, Great! Wow! What a neat thing to share with your mom. As I’ve said more than once, my 94 year old Republican mother decided with no prompting from me that she wanted to vote for Hillary.

    Looking forward to your description of the event.

  52. Thank, purpfinn!

  53. The read was storybook and left me thinking, when was the last time our state or Fed government ever did anything to enhance the lifestyle of the general public? Honestly, I can’t think of anything since FDR.. A Hillary presidency would have been divine.

    Well, in no way am I trying to be partisan about this, but Eisenhower did give us the Interstate system.

  54. “myiq2xu, on September 11th, 2008 at 9:18 am Said:

    “You would also have to know the street use of this term, analogous to putting a paper bag over a woman’s head before sexual intercourse.”

    Here is the #2 definition of Lipstick-Pig from the Urban dictionary:

    2. putting lipstick on a pig

    trying to make the ugly fuck look good
    “making cara look hott is like putting lipstick on a pig”

    Now I know why the crowd and the boyz got such a laugh from a cliche..It was just the same as the “brush off”…If you are an old fart like me, it goes right over your head.

  55. New rasmussen numbers for New Mexico, McCain up by 2. Guess even New mexicans realized bill richardson is a complete snake. Do they still believe he’s gonna take co and nv too?

  56. he’s ahead now by double digits in ND, remember a couple months ago Axelrove was sayint that ND would be in play? I think they even said Alaska would be too LOL

  57. The read was storybook and left me thinking, when was the last time our state or Fed government ever did anything to enhance the lifestyle of the general public? Honestly, I can’t think of anything since FDR.. A Hillary presidency would have been divine.”

    LBJ..Civil rights and Voting rights laws..and the real “biggie” Medicare…Before Medicare, seniors were the most impoverished demographic in the country.

  58. McCain Palin up by 31 points in Alaska!

  59. The “biggie” for the 21st Century, for politicians with guts to take on the insurance industry, is universal, single payer, health care.

  60. Mawm-Totally agree with you. The state of communications today would make it so easy to modify the way we have always worked. Decentralize the workers and eliminate travel, parking and large office spaces. Saves energy, time and money. I hope it takes off, too.

  61. This from Todd Beeton just two short months ago…cocky jack$#$:

    Looks like Alaska is part of the campaign’s strategy to mount the general election equivalent of its caucus state strategy during the primary.

    Obama’s national campaign manager, David Plouffe…said Obama is looking for multiple paths to victory and that could include mounting intensive precinct efforts in small-population states where McCain has fewer resources to compete, such as Alaska, according to McClatchy Newspapers.

    And what are McCain’s plans for Alaska? Not much.

    She said McCain doesn’t expect to open a campaign office in Alaska but there could be a “victory office” in cooperation with the Republican National Committee. She said she would not rule out the possibility of McCain having paid staff here.

    Benton said Alaska is “not in our top tier of target states” but it’s a place where McCain’s message will resonate.

    “Victory” office, eh? Not so fast, Senator.

    :)

  62. “Well, in no way am I trying to be partisan about this, but Eisenhower did give us the Interstate system.”

    I was just a twinkle when the last decent Republican was in charge. But I have to agree with you there. Historically, what is memorable to me about “IKE” wasn’t the interstate system, it was his concern for the power and might of the US military. He mentioned this reading from his notes his last day in office. To the point of saying, the military should be disbanded. I shall remember him for those words eternally. He was acting in the best interests of our country’s security and our futures. Unfortunately, the Republicans had other plans for us.

  63. “Well, in no way am I trying to be partisan about this, but Eisenhower did give us the Interstate system.”

    I wouldn’t call traveling the interstates a lifestyle enhancement.

    Bad scenery, bad food, bad restrooms and boredom

  64. SHV, then the urban dictionary, whatever that is is a piece of crap.

    That is terrible example of that phrase because it is too literal.

    The phrase is not sexist by itself. It only took on a sexist meaing through the context of Palin’s widely repeated line about lipstick, hockey mom’s, and pit bulls. Obama’s audience got the joke, why didn’t the MSM?

    Also, if you didn’t read about this. The same day Obama made his statements, Missouri Rep. Russ Carnahan said this at a Biden rally. Don’t tell me the campaign wasn’t making statements about “lipstick” deliberately.

    “someone with zero experience in national government, zero experience in foreign affairs. There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick.”

    Wait, maybe Carnahan was talking about Obama.

  65. gary – I am watching the 9/11 reports. That quote on Alaska just made me smile for the 1st time this morning.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  66. Words cannot convey my feelings regarding the Remembrance of 911. I think it should be a National Day of Solemn Remembrance
    Time lends perspective .. but we do need to remember .

    I agree with Regency this is a place and time for Hillary to be there , I thought the exact same thing …

  67. I have worked out of my house for years. It is ridiculous to spend time and expense traveling to an office that is also a very expensive endeavor.

    Additionally, I get much more work done than I ever did in an office because you don’t have to waste time socially or doing other people’s work. Then, there is always the “what to do about lunch” that wastes time.

    The down side, you start working early, work late, during vacation time, weekends …………………….. if of course you love your job.

    I last saw my boss in February for President’s Club. I had not seen him since August before that.

  68. The link to the blog and the offensive picture .. you cannot tell me he was not referring to Sarah Palin or that it was not planned

    http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cgsq

    Neither can anyone tell me he did not know what his preacher was about for 20 years when Wright went with Farrakhan in 1984 to visit Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. 1984 is 4 years prior to 20 years ago ; that is the very simplest of math .

    On this day FOR ME it is entirely hypocritcal of him to even show up in NYC for 911 Remembrance

    that is how I feel…

  69. Oil is going down. It’s at 100.63.

    I believe it will go under 100 today.

    Keep yelling “Drill Baby Drill” and “Alternative Fuels”

    This is America, we can do it good and do it fast. We just have to start.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

  70. Sorry to be a pest; but this is weird. Even my daughter can’t find
    the date of Sasha Obama’s birth??!! The older daughter’s listed ; but not her. Even something as “simple” as this is a mystery when it comes to this man.
    The answer has meaning to one of his MANY puzzle pieces.

  71. myiq2xu at least you are not a double bagger, I make my husband wear 2 bags in case he eats thru one LOL

  72. I’ve never been back to NYC. I don’t really want to go. Last time I was there was in the early 80s, and the thing that impressed me the most was the WTC. The buildings were so spindly from far away, and so massive up close. They reminded me of giraffes, that look so delicate from a distance, but when you’re next to them, it’s made VERY clear by their sheer mass that they are fucking greyhound buses.

    I still think the NYC skyline looks like it has a hole gouged in it. I figure if I don’t ever go back to NYC, I can pretend the skyline still looks like how it’s supposed to.

  73. I wouldn’t call traveling the interstates a lifestyle enhancement. Bad scenery, bad food, bad restrooms and boredom.

    myiq2xu…

    I grinningly accept your humorous point, but note the complaints of commuting just to get to and from work that launched this very thread. For those well-seasoned folks who recall our childhood travel before the Interstate system was anywhere close to ubiquitous know that these new roads shaved hours off the usual travel time, even on intrastate trips.

  74. Sasha’s first name is Natasha. Not Sasha

  75. try natasha obama, it will probably come up

  76. McCain just made a short and very moving speech at the dedication of the Shanklesville Memorial. He was at the Capitol Building.

    He is definately Candidate Y, and I am happy we have him and Sarah to turn to.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  77. The opening of the blue route near my house would have made getting to PSU’s main campus a lot easier for me, from my neighborhood. My dad commuted on 95 for years, and so did I.

  78. Now I know why the crowd and the boyz got such a laugh from a cliche..It was just the same as the “brush off”…If you are an old fart like me, it goes right over your head.

    He does that all the time – uses words and phrases and gestures that his kool-aid crowd knows well, but the press won’t.

    It reminds me of my husband’s two huge marijuana plants he had as a teenager. They were potted in fancy chinese pots on either end of his mom’s formal sofa. His mom used to brag to her visiting friends who admired them that her son was SO particular about keeping those “False Aralias” nice for her. He watered and fertilized and pruned them and everything! Such a sweet boy! He and his friends had LOTS of laughs over it.

    He told her about 20 years later that they weren’t false aralias. Big joke in the family now.

  79. Can’t give credit to Ike for the interstates, a tax-funded giveaway to the oil industry, but I certainly give him credit for warning us about the Military-Industrial Complex as noted by ellurian. He was certainly one of our most honest Presidents, partly due to the fact that he wasn’t a politician. I like Ike!

  80. Mawm, on September 11th, 2008 at 10:33 am Said:

    SHV, then the urban dictionary, whatever that is is a piece of crap.
    That is terrible example of that phrase because it is too literal.”

    But that isn’t the point. The Urban dictionary, gangstra definition is the one known by the crowd who responded wildly to Obama use of the phrase.

    No different than the “Brush Off”…I was clueless until I was given the “Urban dictionary/hip-hop” meaning of the gesture.

  81. Now I know why the crowd and the boyz got such a laugh from a cliche..It was just the same as the “brush off”…If you are an old fart like me, it goes right over your head.

    That is why he is accusing the republicans of
    “using code words” because he has been doing it all along ..started with” the old Okey Doke ” speech in South Carolina .. I could not beleive my ears ,, and when the press commented on his sudden acquisition of a southern accent I thought they would catch him out .. but that is when the press stopped reporting on him with any degree of accuracy .

    bo is the classic abuser ..and he accuses the opposition of doing exactly what he is doing .

    bo has divided this country more certainly and assuredly than the O.J. trial and isnt it synchronous that OJ is once again back on trial and being held accountable ? All of the work that so many people have done to bring us together cannot be undone by this buffoon . We simply cannot allow it .

  82. I think/guess that at this point Hillary & Bill realize that Obama is toast in Nov, and they’re doing their best to try to make help the downticket Dems NOT get pulled down with him.

  83. PamMc:

    My first ex wore a bag over her head too, just in case mine came off.

  84. They showed the Pentagon Memorial ceremonies on c-span. After they had call-ins. Lots of people praising Bush to the skies for keeping us safe and being the best President ever. WTF? After the massive failure in preventing 9/11, he “kept us safe” since so he gets not only a pass but high praise? I guess we do get the leadership we deserve. We tend to forget that most citizens in this country don’t have a ckye about what their government is doing or has done.

  85. ckye=clue. oops.

  86. Interesting internals on the new Quinnipiac polls:

    FL – Almost a quarter of those who supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary say they are backing McCain. That’s up from the 14 percent of Clinton supporters that backed him in the same poll last month.

    OH – McCain’s support from former Clinton backers went from 23 percent last month to 28 percent.

    PA – Twenty-two percent of former Clinton supporters are now backing McCain, about the same as the 25 percent last month in the same poll.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8WvoRnUTs6fEo8Os3k4YlshdOvQD934IORO0

  87. Thanks “k girl”
    We’re checking. All that comes out is 2001 NO DATE.
    I promise I’ll explain ; but the DATE is critical!!
    “Janis” It would be good if you came back for a visit; but your right even now it STILL looks empty.

  88. Just sent a few $$$ to Sheila. It occurs that when the Congressional leadership gets shaken up in January, she’d mke a really good Madam Speaker.

  89. Fixing the public transportation system is so FDR New Deal—exactly what we need right now if we are to start bringing the country back to strength and progress again.

    Hillary also has been working on the international situation and the economic crisis. She is amazing. Brilliant and wasting as little time as possible on this now ridiculous election.

  90. An interesting and reasonably neutral piece on Obama’s years in NY. I wish the rest of the media would adopt this dispassionate tone.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122108881386721289.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

  91. A comment asking that this be shared
    FROM GRETA WIRE
    Comment by Obama Chicago Day’s
    September 11th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Why Isn’t anyone in Chicago looking into this guy?

    Bombshell: Stanley Kurtz Discovers Obama’s “Lost” Papers
    » by Bill Dupray in: Barack Obama, Crime & Punishment, Culture, Liberals, Race
    Nice catch by lgf on this one. Stanley Kurtz (I originally credited Howard Kurtz – apologies to both) has dug up a lot of information about Obama and his writings while he was in Illinois. This stuff is awesome. It is a very long article and well worth the entire read. I’ve got a few choice quotes here and as I go through there will be updates below.

    Barack Obama’s neighborhood newspaper, the Hyde Park Herald, has a longstanding tradition of opening its pages to elected officials-from Chicago aldermen to state legislators to U.S. senators. Obama himself, as a state senator, wrote more than 40 columns for the Herald, under the title “Springfield Report,” between 1996 and 2004. Read in isolation, Obama’s columns from the state capital tell us little. Placed in the context of political and policy battles then raging in Illinois, however, the young legislator’s dispatches powerfully illuminate his political beliefs. Even more revealing are hundreds of articles chronicling Obama’s early political and legislative activities in the pages not only of the Hyde Park Herald, but also of another South Side fixture, the Chicago Defender.

    Obama moved to Chicago in order to place himself in what he understood to be the de facto “capital” of black America. For well over 100 years, the Chicago Defender has been the voice of that capital, and therefore a paper of national significance for African Americans. Early on in his political career, Obama complained of being slighted by major media, like the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times. Yet extensive and continuous coverage in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald presents a remarkable resource for understanding who Obama is. Reportage in these two papers is particularly significant because Obama’s early political career-the time between his first campaign for the Illinois State Senate in 1995 and his race for U.S. Senate in 2004-can fairly be called the “lost years,” the period Obama seems least eager to talk about, in contrast to his formative years in Hawaii, California, and New York or his days as a community organizer, both of which are recounted in his memoir, Dreams from My Father. The pages of the Hyde Park Herald and the Chicago Defender thus offer entrée into Obama’s heretofore hidden world.

    What they portray is a Barack Obama sharply at variance with the image of the post-racial, post-ideological, bipartisan, culture-war-shunning politician familiar from current media coverage and purveyed by the Obama campaign. As details of Obama’s early political career emerge into the light, his associations with such radical figures as Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, Reverend James Meeks, Bill Ayers, and Bernardine Dohrn look less like peculiar instances of personal misjudgment and more like intentional political partnerships. At his core, in other words, the politician chronicled here is profoundly race-conscious, exceedingly liberal, free-spending even in the face of looming state budget deficits, and partisan. Elected president, this man would presumably shift the country sharply to the left on all the key issues of the day-culture-war issues included. It’s no wonder Obama has passed over his Springfield years in relative silence.

    Race

    Any rounded treatment of Obama’s early political career has got to give prominence to the issue of race. Obama has recently made efforts to preemptively blunt discussion of the race issue, warning that his critics will highlight the fact that he is African American. Yet the question of race plays so large a role in Obama’s own thought and action that it is all but impossible to discuss his political trajectory without acknowledging the extent to which it engrosses him. [snip]

    In 2004, a U.S. District Court disallowed the ordinance under which Chicago required the use of at least 25 percent minority business enterprises and 5 percent women’s business enterprises on city-funded projects. In the immediate aftermath of the ruling, Obama and Jesse Jackson were among the prominent voices calling for a black leadership summit to plot strategy for a restoration of Chicago’s construction quotas. Obama and his allies succeeded in bringing back race-based contracting.

    No Hispanics Encroaching in Black Areas

    When the 2000 census revealed dramatic growth in Chicago’s Hispanic and Asian populations alongside a decline in the number of African Americans, the Illinois black caucus was alarmed at the prospect that the number of blacks in the Illinois General Assembly might decline. At that point, Obama stepped to the forefront of the effort to preserve as many black seats as possible. The Defender quotes Obama as saying that, “while everyone agrees that the Hispanic population has grown, they cannot expand by taking African-American seats.”

    Liberalism Reigns Supreme

    At a November 1999 candidate forum, the Hyde Park Herald reported that “there was little to distinguish” the candidates, who “struggled to differentiate themselves” ideologically. Acknowledged Obama, “[W]e’re all on the liberal wing of the Democratic party.” Indeed, the common political ideology of the candidates was a theme in Herald coverage throughout the race. Rush’s background suggests what that ideology was: A Chicago icon and former Black Panther, Rush received a 90 percent rating in 2000, and a 100 percent rating in 1999, from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action. Both years the American Conservative Union rated him at zero percent.

    Tough to differentiate between Barack Obama and a Black Panther? Not the guy I’m looking for in the White House.

    Election Strategy

    The most interesting characterization came from Obama himself, who laid out his U.S. Senate campaign strategy for the Defender in 2003: “[A]s you combine a strong African-American base with progressive white and Latino voters, I think it is a recipe for success in the primary and in the general election.” Putting the point slightly differently, Obama added, “When you combine an energized African-American voter base and effective coalition-building with other progressive sectors of the population, we think we have a recipe for victory.” Obama consciously constructed his election strategy on a foundation of leftist ideology and racial bloc voting.

    Crime and Bill Ayers

    Crime is also a key contact-point between Obama and his most celebrated radical associate, William Ayers. We’ve heard a good deal of late about Ayers’s Weatherman terrorism back in the 1960s and his lack of repentance. Ayers refuses to answer questions about his relationship with Obama, while Obama has dismissed Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.” Yet several Obama-Ayers connections are known: Obama’s 1995 political debut at the home of Ayers and his wife (and fellow former terrorist) Bernardine Dohrn, Obama’s joint service with Ayers on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a couple of appearances with Ayers on academic panels, and what the New York Times called Obama’s “rave review” (not actually a full review, but a warm endorsement) of Ayers’s book on juvenile justice, which Obama dubbed “a searing and timely account” in the Chicago Tribune.

    Soft on Crime

    When Obama offers examples of ill-conceived legislation, he often points to building prisons: Instead of building another prison, why not expand health care entitlements? Biographer David Mendell cites Obama’s irritation with fellow legislators who “grandstand” by passing tough-on-crime legislation, while letting bills designed to bring “structural change” languish. Debating Bobby Rush in 2000, Obama bragged that he had “consistently fought against the industrial prison complex.” Obama’s Hyde Park Herald column echoes these points. [snip]

    Also in 1998, according to the Hill, a Washington newspaper, Obama was one of only three Illinois state senators to vote against a proposal making it a criminal offense for convicts on probation or on bail to have contact with a street gang. A year later, on a vote mandating adult prosecution for aggravated discharge of a firearm in or near a school, Obama voted “present,” and reiterated his opposition to adult trials for even serious juvenile offenders. In short, when it comes to the issue of crime, Obama is on the far left of the political spectrum and very much in synch with his active political allies Ayers and Dohrn.

    Racial Profiling

    Obama’s signature crime legislation was his effort to combat alleged racial discrimination by the Illinois police. In 2003, the Defender said Obama had “made a career” out of his annual battle for a bill against racial profiling. For years, profiling legislation was bottled up by the Illinois senate’s Republican leader. When senate control shifted to the Democrats in 2003, Obama’s racial profiling bill finally passed-just in time to give his drive for the U.S. Senate nomination a major boost. [snip]

    Police doubts were entirely justified. Obama’s bill is a deeply flawed example of precisely the sort of grievance-driven race-based politics that fuels legislation on affirmative action and minority set-asides. All of these “remedies” falsely leap from statistical evidence of racial disparities to claims of discrimination. In the case of racial profiling, disproportionate police stops of black or Hispanic motorists in no way prove discrimination.

    Obama is All About Reverend Wright’s Black Liberation Theology

    Indeed, Obama’s racial profiling crusade shows his political alliance with Wright, Pfleger, and Meeks in action. We know from Obama’s 1988 “Why Organize?” essay that a long-term goal of his was to politically organize “liberationist” black churches:

    Nowhere is the promise of organizing more apparent than in the traditional black churches. Possessing tremendous financial resources, membership, and-most important-values and biblical traditions that call for empowerment and liberation, the black church is clearly a slumbering giant in the political and economic landscape of cities like Chicago.

    We also know from a 1995 profile that Obama viewed his legislative role as an extension of his grass-roots organizing career. So it’s unsurprising to see in the Hyde Park Herald of February 28, 2001, that Obama’s “grass-roots lobbying effort” for racial profiling legislation is to feature not only the ACLU and the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, but also appearances by Meeks and Pfleger. The Chicago Defender notes the additional presence of Reverend Michael Sykes, an associate pastor of Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ. So Obama’s drive for racial profiling legislation brought to fruition his long-time goal of politically organizing Chicago’s most liberationist black churches. Of course Wright, Meeks, and Pfleger are known for their demagogic accusations of white racism. Obama’s racial profiling bill fit squarely in that tradition. As with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, it’s evident that the liberationist preachers were also his valued political allies.

    Breaking the Bank in A War on Poverty

    Important though it is to Obama, the crime issue runs a distant second to his deepest passion: social welfare legislation. “Big government liberal,” “redistributionist”-call him what you like, Obama’s fondest hope is to lead America into another war on poverty. Everything in his state-legislative career points in this direction, and Obama calls for a renewal of expensive national anti-poverty programs in his book The Audacity of Hope. True, Obama’s promotion of government partnerships with private-sector housing contractors (like Antoin “Tony” Rezko) was supposed to open up novel, post-Great Society solutions to the problem of poverty. Yet, as a devastating Boston Globe report on Obama’s Illinois housing policy recently showed, the results of Obama’s new war on poverty are just as counterproductive as those of the old war on poverty. Neighborhoods supposedly renovated now lie deserted by the private developers who took Obama’s government handouts and ran-quickly building or renovating housing units, but failing to maintain them. [snip]

    But if Obama takes the presidency with a Democratic Congress at his back, we’ll likely see a grand-scale version of the fiscal mayhem Obama and his colleagues brought to Illinois

    God help us if he wins in November.
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  92. The atrocities at Salon continue: “Zombie Feminists of the RNC” by Rebecca Traister

    “How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women’s empowerment? And how did I, a die-hard feminist, end up terrified at the idea of a woman in the White House?”

    Words fail me.

    http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/11/zombie_feminism/index.html

  93. Let’s not blame Bush for all that went wrong with 9/11.

    Remember, Kerry received a report, the FBI received a report, and more importantly, the Congress screamed Wag the Dog when Clinton sent missiles into the region, and Congress spent 8 years probing a couple of sexual encounters instead of seeing what Bin Laden was up to.

    And most importantly, determined people can get away with what they want. There possibly were many other flights that got shut down because of the decision to put them on the ground immediately.

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  94. myiq Rebecca was always on the wrong side of logic.
    Meanwhile Boston Phoenix makes a few good points (and some not so good) about the media vs people (and PUMAs too)
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/populism-vs-the-media/

  95. I put my employer as “Democracy” in the field, and I put “PUMA” as my occupation.

    Confirmation No.: 2708XX
    Contribution To: Sheila Jackson Lee U.S. Congress Campaign Committee
    Name of Contributor: XXXXX
    Date of Contribution: 9/11/2008
    Amount: $200.00

  96. In Texas a report was published yesterday that we have 50k bridges and 2000 are in “real jeopardy”.

  97. WMCB – thanks. They are busy evacuating down there because of Ike. He is coming in hard and furious.

  98. McCain and Obama going to Columbia for the forum. Maybe Obama can find his school records while he is there.

  99. I’ll continue to blame Bush for 9/11 and Katrina and the lousy economy and the near complete erosion of our rights as citizens of the United States.
    Heckuva Job, Bushie!!

  100. As a northern virginian I am all but obsessed with public transportation, namely getting the metro line extended to Dulles Intl airport. It’s a saga that has gone on for decades, arouses intense passions pro and con, underground or overground, stopping in town centers or near highways, horrors over who shall perform the work and will it be a ‘Big Dig’ horror, and funding promises and stoppages from the state, the feds, and private interests. It’s a wonderful terrible rollercoaster and its outcome will affect property values, transportation, the local and regional economy.

    And OT, but regarding VA, McCain/Palin made a stop yesterday since NoVA is the main battleground in purple VA. I tumbled across some blogger coverage that has some interesting insights into the demographics of the crowd:
    http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/10/mccainpalin-fairfax-va-rally.php

    I sure wish I was the commenter who suggested that BO sell his O-force-one to make up for fundraising shortfalls. tee hee.

  101. Riverdaughter I just sent you an email.

  102. wmcb, on September 11th, 2008 at 11:27 am Said:

    I put my employer as “Democracy” in the field, and I put “PUMA” as my occupation.

    *******

    I like that. Clear and on point message!

  103. awright wmcb – go you!

  104. Carol, here in San Antonio we are gearing up bigtime. We won’t get the brunt of the winds, but will get the biggest influx of people fleeing inward from the coast, and the rains could be a problem.

    A lot of people don’t realize that because of the geography, central texas can be immobilized by severe flooding very quickly. We have a big problem with flash flooding even with normal rains.

    However, I’m proud of my state so far. We have over 400 buses and 50 high-clearance trucks and over 1000 troops from local bases, and mobile medical services and the works, who are all already being deployed and sitting between San Antonio and the coast, waiting to move in as soon as needed.

  105. The pathway looks like it will be heading northwest up towards us on it’s path.

    Good Luck, Stay Safe.

  106. Carol, i may not blame bush personally for 9/11, but I will never forgive him for what he did afterward. I was going to write a post today about my own experience on 9.11 but decided it was too self-indulgent, but here’s the short version. I was in Paris that day and was travelling around Europe afterward for several weeks. The outpouring of compassion and solidarity from every single european, to a person, for all Americans was so moving it still makes me cry. That bush threw all of that good will into the toilet is a disgrace that this country will take years, if ever, to recover from.

  107. Hear hear, gary. It still makes me sad, how much goodwill was squandered.

  108. Just an aside. Please, please, riverdaughter, don’t become a Google blogspot. I find that an impossible hurdle to commenting-just can’t navigate. The “gatekeeper” rejects me no matter how hard I try to access an old account or create a new one.

  109. sod, a poster at NQ got screenshots. There have been two diaries so far with that smear that “Bristol’s baby’s daddy is black.”

    BTW, one of my new requirements for EVER voting for or donating to Dem candidates in the future is that they disassociate themselves from the hateful Cheetos. I will not vote for ANY candidate that actively courts them. EVER.

  110. SOD:

    “WTF are these A$$hats drinking, smoking and/or ingesting???????”

    Cheetos and kool-aid

    My mom told me that junk food was bad for me, but I thought she was exaggerating

  111. We will recover. We are America.

    My son’s father used to fly one of the flights out of Boston that went into the WTC. He had moved from Boston a few months previously to New Mexico. The in-laws of one of my work peers were on board one of the flights. My son was at USC, and I was terrified because they were on the fringe of downtown, and it took a couple of days before the navy showed up on the horizon to protect the city. USC made their students continue to go to class.

    I was a flight attendant for 13.5 years. The movies make it look as though a real effort was needed to enter the cockpit, but that was not true. The doors had what are the equivolent of doggy doors for escape. As a 5’5″ 118 lb. girl, I could have knocked down the door without much effort. We all had keys to the door, but it wasn’t any deterrent.

    They were all very brave. I know that many people I worked with would have fought the terrorist to the death, and that is what they did.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

  112. OT (link seen on corrente):
    From the blog of a long time Chicago journalist (not a McCain supporter):

    John McCain and his campaign surrogates have begun asking when Barack Obama ever challenged corruption in Chicago and in his own party the way McCain has his party over his long Senate career. Like it or not, the answer is, basically, never.

    http://divisionstreet.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/mccain-and-the-machine/

  113. I don’t comment here often because you all are usually so far ahead of me. But I did want to take this time to lavish praise on the high quality of the writing on this site, and the sites it recommends, such as anglachel. I think it is the best writing in the progressive blogosphere. Everybody down the line is outstanding. madamab’s piece the other day on regulation and the size of government was so interesting – a genuinely fresh take on that subject.

    I learn something new everytime I visit this site. Thank you all so much for your time

  114. I know it was the week of 9/11 because he said he was home taking care of MO and the baby.

  115. Carol, everyone talks about the bravery, sacrifice, etc of the firefighters and others on 9/11, and rightly so.

    But in my book, the passengers and crew of that flight are the biggest heroes of all. Those ordinary citizens took a stand, though they were not trained responders, and fought to protect their country and their government, knowing they would likely die for it.

  116. Why poke around the kids? Please let’s not.

  117. John McCain, speaking in Shanksville, PA this morning:

    No American living then should ever forget the heroism that occurred in the skies above this field on Sept. 11, 2001. It is believed that the terrorists on United Flight 93 may have intended to crash the airplane into the United States Capitol. Hundreds if not thousands of people would have been at work in that building when that fateful moment occurred, and been destroyed along with a beautiful symbol of our freedom. They and, very possibly I, owe our lives to the passengers who summoned the courage and love necessary to deny our depraved and hateful enemies their terrible triumph.

    I have witnessed great courage and sacrifice for America’s sake, but none greater than the sacrifice of those good people who grasped the gravity of the moment, understood the threat, and decided to fight back at the cost of their lives.

    I spoke at the memorial service for one of them, Mark Bingham. I acknowledged that few of us could say we loved our country as well as he and all the heroes of Sept. 11 had. The only means we possess to thank them is to try to be as good an American as they were. We might fall well short of their standard, but there is honor in the effort.

    In the Gospel of John it is written, ‘Greater love hath no man than this: that a man lay down his life for his friends.’ Such was their love; a love so sublime that only God’s love surpasses it. I am in awe of it as much as I am in debt to it. May God bless their souls.

    ___

    And what did Barack Obama say at the memorial service in PA this morning? Nothing. He was a no show. Obama sent an email instead of taking the time to be there.

  118. votermom, I don;t think she is “poking around the kids”. I think she is trying to find out whether Obama was in church for the “Goddamn America” sermon, and verifying the dates has to do with when, exactly, the daughter was born.

  119. Sending thoughts and protection to TEXAS … living in a hurricane vulnerable region myself OCean City MD .. I know the feeling !!
    STAY SAFE ALL !!!!

  120. wmcb, thanks for the explanation. *phew*

  121. Hear, hear Ruffian. Love your name, BTW.

  122. And what did Barack Obama say at the memorial service in PA this morning? Nothing. He was a no show. Obama sent an email instead of taking the time to be there.

    Seriously ?? he didnt even SHOW UP omfg

  123. THE CHICKENS have come home to roost “sermon” was on 9/16/ 08 5 days later …. and i have read the entire thing IN CONTEXT and it is still egregious

  124. Oh, yes, sod. The gleeful “America’s chickens come home to roost” hatefulness was the Sunday following 9/11, while a nation was in shock and mourning.

  125. Actually there was an interview that i saw with obama on it, and it basically said he was always at trinity every sunday at 11am. i think this was when he was running for state senate, can’t find it though. And since 9/11 happened in 2001 there would have been no excuse for him not to be there.

  126. SHV, OK I get it. I wasn’t familiar with the urban dictionary and its uses.

    Maybe I should take a look. I may not feel old inside, but I think I am certainly out of touch with some of the youngsters.

  127. Obama was in NY last night. I thought it was so he could attend the ceremonies in NY today?

    Did he miss that too?

  128. Carol-I didn’t say let’s blame Bush for all that went wrong on 9/11. I said let’s not praise Bush for keeping us safe. He didn’t. I think insulting to the surviving families to praise him for that when their loved ones are dead.
    Grounding planes was too little, too late. They never arrested anyone on any of those flights so it seems there were no other hijackers. And if determined people can get away with what they want, why pacy billions of dollars for agencies who are supposed to stop them. You definitely have a more fatalistic atiitude than I do. I expect some accountability. Richard Clarke was the only person who ever accepted any blame. Bush never did and I think the guy at the top has the ultimate responsibility. The buck stops here, as Truman said.

  129. Yep, just read it off the AP wire. instead of attendnig the memorial service in PA with John McCain, Obama issued a statement by email.

    Sad.

  130. also has anyone viewed the video tape. With all that face recognition soft wear anyone should be able to identify obama whe nthe they pan the audience, wheat they need to do is find out exactly were michelle and he would sit, when they came to church. My mother always sits in the same pew every Saturday.

  131. Actually there was an interview that i saw with obama on it, and it basically said he was always at trinity every sunday at 11am. i think this was when he was running for state senate, can’t find it though. And since 9/11 happened in 2001 there would have been no excuse for him not to be there.

    Well, since he’s a lying liar — that could be a lie too. The problem with him is that we can’t count on anything he says being true.

  132. I know it is Sept 11th so that means what it means to all of us, but it is also the Birthday of my company MAWM inc. MAWM is one year old today.

  133. I’ve long thought that most Obama supporters are so proud of themselves for supporting him. In contrast, I was immensely proud of Hillary Clinton as a candidate, but it was all her doing.

    E.g., at the music festival last week, the Kid & I went to the lodge & heard musicians jamming. We had seen a Volvo with an Obama sticker, the only one there. Watching the jam was a young woman in expensive chic-hippie clothes. She clutched a bookmarked copy of Audacity of Hope to her chest. The Kid & I had to giggle at the stereotype; she so wanted everyone to notice her, to see her as an Obama supporter. She wasn’t like the rest of us hicks.

    In Ky, MSM said Obots were smart, etc while Hillary supporters were r*cist, etc. Some people need that identity and believe it. That’s one reason this election is so bitter, some people have huge personal investments in it.

    $0.02

  134. I am glad to see the discussion on mass transit here.
    I worked for Conrail and NJ transit in the 70′s and 80′s. Then I went to work for Amtrak and retired and now 2 nights a week I work for Metrolink here in California.
    A lot of mass transit was destroyed in the 1950′s by the oil and tire companies.
    America contributes less to mass transit then a lot of third world countries.
    Every year Amtrak and other local commuter transit agencies have to fight for funding from both federal and state budgets.
    This country gives more to airlines than railroad and bus transit.
    Believe me as bad as you think mass transit is back east it is worse in California.
    People here have a car mentality and few resources to use other than a car.
    If any of you ever get the chance to travel accross country by train, do it.
    You will meet people from all over the country and the world. You will see how beautiful and diversified our country is and how lucky we are to live here.
    I was one of the lucky people that had a job where I worked hard, had fun, was paid well, was never bored ,and met people from all over the country.

    My prayers go out for all the families of 9-11 victims and the military and their familes today.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  135. And mcCain is George BUshes third term? I’ve never doubted anything McCain says, obama lies just like him.

  136. Saw this great video of Hillary. I love this woman.

    I watched the Kennedy/Nixon debates, remember well the Camelot years, supported RFK with a passion, had complete confidence in Clinton/Gore, but I have to say that Hillary Clinton has evolved into an unbelievable leader.

  137. it’s my youngest dog’s birthday. i didn’t realize this until after i bought months later, I told my motehr I shouldn’t have named him ceaser but Osama, cause he is quite the little terrorist. he’s a dachshund but has the wacky ability to climb almost like a cat, and chewed up every and anything, my oldest dog was not like that at all. god i’m glad he’s two. they say he’s supposed to calm down.

  138. Every time I go through Security at the airport, I watch the person responsible for scanning the bags. I have reported 2 of them. They were not looking at the screens but were watching something else going on at the time bags went through.

    If you think we are safe from the screening, we are not. They don’t screen the bags that are checked at most airports.

    At the time I was a flight attendent, you could freely walk through the screening area in DFW at our terminal during different times at night, because there were not flights leaving at night. The check early in the morning was a visual around the seats, counters, and in the bathroom.

    Additionally, they used to load the mail into the front rows of seats on the night hawk leaving Denver to DFW.

    We have and continue to be a tragedy waiting to happen. We have to be very vigilent 24/7, they have to get it right only once.

  139. WCMB , they han not even found everyone in the rubble yet …………..and that jerk was saying chickens had come home to roost …
    Wonder what the REV has to say today ??

  140. state, I first remember seeing the country first slogans associated with McCain camp right after Clinton conceded that saturday after the primaries. They put a link on their site with the photo of a woman who had attended the meeting between Clinton supporters and McCain. I do believe that slogan is directed at us. I can’t remember seeing that slogan before then.

  141. Well if that’s the case, he might have been on the podium. I know that’s where our “special” political guest sit. the only problem is people could say video was altered, but if Trinity was popular enough that oprah went there not only did they have have a camera they probably had about 4 or 5 different ones. However I’m quite sure most trinity members have either destroyed their copies or thrown it in the back of some deep dark closet. Blacks just want obama to be president, they don’t care he’s a big fat liar and they will protect him.

  142. I have a new post up regarding the feminists v. Palin issue:

    http://myiq2xu.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/one-mans-opinion/

  143. Guys and Gals – Obama is busy. He has to have lunch with Bill.

    I hope Bill beats his *ss.

    Oh, the media is reporting “both should be getting something out of this meeting.”

    Psycho idiots. I guess Bill needs to continue on his “rehabilitation tour”.

  144. stateof disbelief
    I don’t know if Senator McCain got it from us.
    I hope he did.
    Maybe we can get both parties to remember why they are in Washington.
    If we just repeat COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS enough times I hope they will understandt it..
    THOSE PEOPLE put them in Washington and pay their salaries.
    All they have to do is their jobs to protect and serve. America .
    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  145. I wonder will he get tony rezko to right the forward and Pfleger to right the intoduction. Edited by Farakahn and Kwami Kilpatrick

  146. Awesome video——yes, what could have been!!

    This info about Sheila Jackson Lee makes me ill–also, Charlie Rangel’s present difficulties (I feel sure are pushed or started by Obama’s people).
    This is equivalent to ‘eating your children’s lunch.’
    Actually more like ‘regurgitating their lunch and re-eating it (sorry, just realized it is lunch time).

  147. the book will released along with Jesse Jackson national best seller “castrating obama, while keeping hope alive.”

  148. New post up by Garychapelhill!!!

    Katiebird – how is your dog doing?

  149. The answer to the Obama’s daughter’s B-Day is linked to his
    where-abouts the Sunday after 09/11/01.
    PLEASE I’ve been on this since March & that is the one piece
    I need to complete this puzzle.

  150. I understand what Rev. Wright was saying and agree with him that American foreign policy for the last 50-60 years has made us hated and despised in many parts of the world.

    But I think he was wrong to deliver that message when he did (days after the attacks) and the glee with which the sermon was made and received was disgusting.

  151. Thank you Riverdaughter for this wonderful post. Hillary has been “ahead of her time” since she was 12 years old – she was an organizer and a leader at that tender age. (Reading her book now “Living History.”

    IronMan: thanks for that tidbit. So, the Big One couldn’t make it to Shanksville, eh? Unbelievable. BUT, he sure could make his appearance on David Letterman last night to talk about the “lipstick/pig” issue. Interesting. My theory is that he’s happy with all the attention the comment got because it took the attention off of Sarah and back on him.

  152. tpt/ny:
    I was curious so I did a google search. I found 1 reference to the birthdate as being June 7, 2001, though I have no knowledge of the site’s accuracy.

    http://www.i-u-f.org/content/view/85/31/

    Were you hoping the birthdate was in September?

  153. At 9:42am I posed to the group to please find out Sasha(Natasha) Obama’s DOB as it stands now all I can get is 2001. I need to know the exact date before I comment further.

  154. sorry-”daughter” not gaughter

  155. Riverdaughter, I love your “recycling” train idea. It just seems so BASIC! — you know. That’s logic. If everyone just got on the same page about things like this, they’d get done.

    So what is the hold up? Dems have always been about this kind of logic! Always. Until now!

    Only us old-fashioned Dems are! Life was BETTER in the 70′s!
    We consumed less, needed less, spent more time with people and were less “electronic” overall. I am making attemps to winnow a lot of things and just try and live more basically.

    Sometimes I see people doing modern “multi-tasking” –the cars do it! They have a thing permanently affixed to their ear, while GPSing how to arrive — maps were more artful & fun.
    On trains, people can read BOOKs! Or talk to strangers — Out here people drive — but those Eastern Trains always remind me of John Cheever novels….

    I love trains! Great, simple fab idea, RD.
    Of course! It was PUMAlogical —— we think that way.

  156. “Carol
    You both got to WHY I was asking the younger daughter’s actual DATE all morning. He was a PUBLIC Official and as such has should have been with the people he represents
    at THEIR TIME OF NEED!! It appears his family was safe ,
    so in my opinion he belonged @ that church. Myself & ESPECIALLY my husband do a lot of community work; & sadly for our family many times the obligation to the community;
    trumps the family; but that’s what we sign up for when you take on that job. Look at Sarah Palin; went back to work almost immediately after giving birth. Yet he can’t even interrupt his vacations during his job interview process. Even when war breaks out in Eastern Europe.
    On that day my then 5th grade son’s teacher in LI/NY didn’t know the where abouts of her own gaughter, who worked in the area hit. She managed to keep her cool for the children & my son came home unaware of the events that
    day & he was SAFE physically & emotionally. My husband & I were able to tell him what happened & that his cousin that was missing earlier ( he worked in tower 2) was safe as well.
    SHE WILL FOREVER BE MY HERO!!!
    When you commit yourself to public life that is the price you & your family pay. Sarah Palin, John McCain, Hillary & Bill Clinton & Joe Biden as well ALL KNOW THAT…I’m NOT SURE Barack & Michelle Obama do. This is a MAJOR REASON WHY I CAN’T TRUST HIM/THEM!!!

  157. vbonnaire, watch it — for many of us, that “simplicity” came about as a result of having no money. Taking trains, using maps, not having GPS isn’t done by some people because it’s a voluntary quaintness. It’s because they can’t afford it. And it rankles to have someone who can choose not to spend the money tell such people that they have it easier, even if they don’t know it.

    It reminds me of people rave about Jane Austen books and who love to talk about how life was “simpler” back then. Funny how they never envision themselves as a scullery maid. Me, I’ll take a dishwasher and GPS system.

  158. Sounds like a lot of people here need a vacation.

  159. Tell me again why Hillary is not the Democratic nominee……make no mistake that’s what we non Obama fans all are asking ourselves now…Palin was the period to that thought and made Obama look even more inexperienced if that was possible and the Biden selection highlighted his bad judgment on whom he surrounds himself by selecting the former candidate that received 58,000 votes but was male compared to women who pulled 18,000,000 votes

  160. [...] Thursday: Hillary keeps moving things along! (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) Mass transit:  F$%^!  Can we have Hillary back now?? Click through to watch the video of Hillary speaking for mass transit and to read riverdaughter’s discussion. [...]

  161. [...] M. on Gather.com is asking his readers what they think.  But, any true Hillary supporter, I mean, any one of them, any real PUMA at heart coulda told ‘em all along.  You picked the wrong guy at the top, [...]

  162. Well Hillary the motivator gets an “A’ from me for trying to do something about our bankrupt highway fund and it’s needs. Beyond that, the DemocRAT Congress is content to sit there, fret and bury their heads in the sand because they are inept.
    There is a reason for everything and perhaps our girl is going to be much more of an effective servant in the Senate than she ever would as President. She understands us, the American people, as she mentioned in a round about way. Now we have a new public servant who is brainy, effective, talented, courageous, youthful, beauty Queen and girl next door (Vice President Sarah Palin) to help clean up the mess with a stroke of her pen, along with a proficient First lady with talents galore to help plug up the leaks in government. Of course they’ll work with Hill! Hill said in the video that she needs everyone to come together to solve Americas Problems. Didn’t McCain say that too when he said he would have Democrats in his administration and the brightest and best minds to come together to solve our many problems. Hill is the catipult, and the new McCain administration will take the ball and run with it as public servants too. Buh Bye radical democRAT thugs and DNC. Eat it!

  163. Tell me again why Hillary is not the Democratic nominee

    -I feel the same way.

    THIS is what a politician who is dedicated to helping American people in tangible ways looks like.

    It’s kind of painful to watch, because anyone with eyes can clearly see that Hillary Clinton should be our President.

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