Michael Kinsley of Time Magazine has written quite the angry tirade about Sarah Palin. Apparently Bostonboomer’s report on the meltdown of PB 1.0 is spilling over to the mainstream media. They are in full panic mode and it shows. Michael begins by clutching his pearls and screeching “How dare she!!!”:
Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn’t a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey.
First of all Michael, who are you talking to? I come from a small town. I’m not a journalist, and I don’t have any kids, but if I did, I’d probably enjoy watching them particpate in sports. She doesn’t sound like she’s claiming superiority to other Americans, but rather identifying with a whole lot of them.
But Kinsley is not talking to me. He’s talking to the rabid kool aid kids who think that anyone who dares oppose Obama is an evil racist, and that anyone who mentions small town, middle America is taking a swipe at “urban” (read black) America. Not only is that kind of propaganda insulting and juvenile, it is itself racist.
We’ve seen this stuff lately from the Kos Kids. The good white kids who have stood up to their evil racist parents are getting lectures about keeping their eyes on the prize, and not wasting their time trying to convert anybody racist enough to support John McCain, or even worse gasp!, Sarah Palin. This is from a diary entitled “White people, can we talk?”
I’ve found throughout my short life that few white people fully understand the extent to which all black people even, brilliant, successful and beautiful black people like the Obamas, are still subject to racism. This used to frustrate me, but then I thought about how separate black and white people often live. Some whites are well aware because they have black friends, black spouses or lovers. Or black people who are in their lives in some real intimate way that has allowed them to see the difference in treatment first hand. But for those of you who are not racist, but don’t have black people you are close to, you are finding that many people you know don’t want to vote for a black man for president and are using any excuse not to do so even though they know it’s in their own best interests to vote for the Democratic Nominee. Many of you, especially people under 30 are getting aquainted with how race plays out in modern America, more covert then overt. You are shocked and hurt. I undderstand, but you better get over it and fast….
So if your anecdotal experience is that some people you know are moving to McCain who you though were available to Obama, don’t be alarmed because they were never available to Obama they just didn’t want to tell you why. Palin has given them cover for their decision, but please know that the decision was made already. Palin is a good excuse because she is a woman, but when they got into the voting both, alone with their racism, they were not going to vote for Obama. Ever.
Listen up texasmango, or whatever the name of the race baiting asshole who wrote this, we are not going to vote for Obama. Ever. But not because we’re racist. It is because that “brilliant” black man accused us of being racist (among MANY other things), not because we are, but to win an election. That is not acceptable. But then I imagine that in your “short life” you haven’t had enough experience to even understand what racism really is.
But not only are the Kool Aid dispensers at Kos seeing racist dog whistles in Palin’s appeal to “small town” America, serious journalist like Kinsley are too (or at least they are pretending to to whip up the angry young obots). But Kinsley takes it one step farther. Not only is Sarah Palin a racist, small town, money grubbing, bigot, the whole state of Alaska is too!!!!
Back to reality. Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska’s government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.
I won’t bother to explain why comparing Alaska to the rest of the states is like comparing apples to oranges. Just take a look at a map and you’ll get the idea. But this kind of argument is laughable anyway. In fact, I’m not exactly sure what Kinsley is even trying to say. In one breath he says Alaskans are overtaxed, and in the next implies that the rest of us are subsidizing Alaskan citizens. I find that charge highly suspect. I wasn’t aware, for example, that the Alaskan government even had the authority to “tax the rest of us” (/snark). I think what Kinsley is trying to say is that our federal taxes subsidize Alaskan citizens and industry. Well you know what? they do in a lot of other states too, like say, farmers in Illinois.
• $13.4 billion in subsidies 1995-2006.
• Illinois ranking: 3 of 50
• Top Recipients 1995-2006
• Top Recipients in 2006
• 34 percent of all farmers and ranchers do not collect government subsidy payments in Illinois, according to USDA.
• Among subsidy recipients, ten percent collected 65 percent of all subsidies amounting to $8.77 billion over 12 years.
• Recipients in the top 10% averaged $34,383 in annual payments between 1995 and 2006. The bottom 80 percent of the recipients saw only $1,128 on average per year.
But Kinsley’s faux concern about economic injustices is just a cover to get his real message out there. That Sarah Palin, as well as all Alaskans, are racists who hate the rest of Americans because they’re not “like them” (WARNING: MAJOR DOG WHISTLES AHEAD!!)
Why is a windfall-profits tax good for Alaska but not for the U.S.? Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it? People in Alaska are better than people in the rest of the U.S. They’re more American. Although there are small towns and farms and high school hockey teams in the lower 48, there are fewer down here, per capita, than in Alaska. And there are many more journalists and pollsters and city dwellers and other undesirables who might benefit if every American had the same right to leech off the government as do the good citizens of Sarah Palin’s Alaska
This is about the most ridiculous statement I’ve seen coming from the mainstream media. Notice how he conflates Palin’s jab at journalists to include city-dwellers. Note to Michael: We’re not that stupid. What I see is a journalist with a bruised ego crying foul to anyone who will listen. Kinsley is right about one thing, however. Alaska is different than a lot of other states, especially when it comes to ethnic diversity:
19% Percentage of Alaska’s population who reported as American Indian and Alaska Native alone or in combination with one or more races in Census 2000. Alaska led all states, followed by Oklahoma and New Mexico, each at 11percent, and South Dakota, at 9 percent. Sixteen percent of Alaska’s population was American Indian and Alaska Native alone, also tops in the nation, followed by New Mexico (10 percent) and South Dakota and Oklahoma(8 percent each). http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/cb01cn64.html
So to add a second question to the title of my post, why does Michael Kinsley hate Native Americans? Or is he just saying that they’re racist too? Maybe Michael just believes his journalistic predecessors who believed that Alaska was nothing more than Seward’s Folly.
Filed under: Media, Politics, Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: Michael Kinsley, Sarah Palin, Time Magazine, Alaska, yellow journalism






Isn’t Sarah Palin married to a Native American, Unionist, and now full time Dad???
I fail to see what’s wrong with that.
After his handlers advised him so many times to knock it off with the attacks on Palin, Obama can’t resist – he’s a comedian now:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/mother-governor-moose-shooter/
Add this irresponsible article to the poison fouling the national well:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20080907_The_American_Debate__It_s_little_discussed__but_Obama_s_race_may_be_decider.html
That is a vicious calumny. Anyone with any objections to Obama is assumed to be tainted by racism and must prove him or herself innocent.
TexasMango and Dick Polman are playing with fire. If Obama loses, a large swath of the population will be burning with the certainty that power was snatched from a black man, and another swath will harbor resentment over being tarred with the R-brush for raising legitimate concerns. You can see the potentially disastrous social consequences.
Reposting from the bottom of the last thread:
While voting in my state’s primary election this morning, I also signed up to serve as an election judge.
Sure, BO *probably* cannot game the general election, but why assume anything this season?
Sign up and ensure that everyone’s voting rights are protected.
Ouch. Kinsley sounds desperate.
The slams at AK remind me of the slams at AR in 1992 — and continuing, for that matter.
Alaska is part of America just as any other state of the Union is.
Kingsley sounds like he considers Alaska a foreign country or something like that. Shame on him.
Members of the media are mad because they were blindsided by
the news of McCain’s pick for VP.
Go Sarah!
OTOH, I don’t remember Kinsley praising Hillary because she now represents the great state of New York, and actually was born in Illinois.
For that matter, so is Hawaii, but I don’t see the media slamming the Aloha State.
Fox anchorperson just mentioned that they get comments from viewers saying that Fox “influences the vote one way or another way,” He said they are going to show Obama’s speech in Ohio air time.
They keep cutting to an empty stage. “Obama is going to give his speech any minute …”
Cut to medical segment about Vitamin B and memory loss. Back to shot of empty stage again. “Barrack Obama will be giving a speech any minute now.”
Cut to long block of commercials.
I love how they keep focussing on the empty stage.
Back from commericial – empty stage. Anchor person making chit chat. “He should be talking any minute now.”
Cut to segment on energy with John Boener (OH).
what do Obama and his surrogates do when they get panicky?? They play the race card….
“We are still waiting for Obama to get to the podium. He is expected to answer questions about the movement on troups from Iraq to Afghanistan, something Obama has supported for a long time.”
Next up A report from Alaska.
Cut to commercials.
“We’re waiting for Obama to answer questions about the Bush administration’s redeployment of troups.”
Dan Springer reports on the smears against Palin’s religion. Anchor mentions “bloggers” as source of attacks.
Hillary backers come to defense of Palin
Jonathan Martin
Sept. 9, 2008
Yahoo Newws
The leaders of a women’s political organization that launched earlier this year to support Hillary Clinton are speaking out against what they say are examples of media sexism toward Sarah Palin and urging members to tell the press corps “to back off.”
WomenCount, a group co-founded by top Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell, posted a lengthy item on their blog decrying questions over whether Palin can, as a mother of five, juggle her family responsibilities and still be vice president.
“The very notion that Sarah Palin should not have accepted this nomination because she is a mother with demanding challenges underscores just how far we have to go,” wrote Rosemary Camposano, the group’s communications director.
She added: “It will be good for America to watch Sarah Palin on the campaign trail – bouncing from parenting to politics. That’s how most women function – multi-tasking, leaning on friends and family, and waking up each morning and doing it all again.”
The group notes, however, that they do not approve of Palin’s politics. “We cannot pretend that Governor Palin meets any standard of progressive politics or social values,” Camposano writes.
Unlike other feminist organizations which have taken up against Palin because of her conservative views, however, WomenCount says they’ll “work to stamp out sexism when we see it on the campaign trail.”
“To paraphrase the words of one blogger who said it best over the weekend: We will defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we like her or support her, but because that’s how feminism works.”
WomenCount was founded earlier this year by Buell, once the head of Esprit and now a full-time philanthropist and activist, when Clinton was urged by some to quit the race. The group pushed back against such sentiments and has since contributed to other female candidates. They’ve also yet to endorse Obama
Clinton herself took to the campaign trail in Florida yesterday on Obama’s behalf and urged voters to support the Democratic ticket. But, prompted by one spectator, she declined to take after Palin.
“You know what? I don’t think that’s what this election is about,” Clinton said at a rally in Kissimmee. “This election is about the differences between us and the Republican Party,”
This is nothing but “if you don’t vote for Obama you’re a r@ cist combined with small towners are bigots” reprised.
Come on Obama, DNC and msm, come up with something original.
Glenn Greenwald has another post about all of Sarah Palin’s evil lies about the Bridge to Nowhere.
Even if her statements are 100% intentionally untrue, what’s the BFD?
Politicians do stuff like that.
What about Obama’s lies (Ayers, Rezko, Selective Service, what committees he’s on, legislation he has authored/gotten passed)
Believe it or not, I have been less than truthful on occasion too (“no, those jeans don’t make you look fat” “I never did this before either” )
Banner on screen:
“Liberal bloggers attacking Sarah Palin’s religious beliefs.”
edgeofforever, I can’t believe Obama said “Mother, governor, moose shooter.”.
Sexist and elitist. He’s trying to get the white male vote back with dog-whistles. What a jerk.
Worst. Candidate.Ever.
Politicians attacking each other’s pork barrel spending (now called earmarks) while seeking their own is as old as politics.
Those aren’t liberal bloggers!
THEY ARE PROGRESSIVES
I started reading the Time mag piece and just could not finish. I have a lot of disagreement with McCain and Palin but the way this specific article begins is so condescending. Same thing goes to the diary entitled “White people, can we talk?”.
Before I came to this country in the 80’s I had such a bad impression about the US – mostly because of indoctrination.
As a black person I am tired of Racism being blamed if we don’t vote for O. Not to digress – My sponsors were white Baptist couple from a small town in Kansas. They were not rich – lived in a tiny three bedroom house (my townhouse is three times larger than their home). They were Republicans and very religious but they lived by example as they never bothered to persuade me to attend their Church – I went to a different church. They paid for my college tuition and also for my older brother. Most of this was not known to the congregation of their church. The day his church members decided to thank him for his work at his 80th birthday it had to be a surprise because he would not have shown up for the event. Most of the attendees cried that day because we noticed how many people he and his wife helped without asking anything in return. By the way this were the same people who took my father in to their house and took him around town in the mid 60’s as his sponsors when he was a student (like Obama’s dad). So I am tired of the Daily Kooks and the elite media judging people from small town. I am a witness and a fruit of small town people – and I thank America for producing such fine people who are not in it to win a popularity contest.
I read Kinsley’s opinion piece, in which he claims Palin’s biggest contribution to the McCain campaign is her “ability to reignite the culture wars”. I am currently feeling like a stranger here myself, having lived away from the U.S. for a couple of decades, so perhaps that’s why I cannot for the life of me figure out what the hell Kinsley is talking about. It seems to be another case of “how dare any woman” as a starting point with objections thrown in as they stream into the consciousness of the writer.
It’s true that I was “never available” to Obama, but I didn’t know that in the primary season’s beginning until I started comparing his policies to Clinton’s and reading their respective autobiographies. If it makes me a covert racist that I thought I was willing to vote for a black man until I saw he was in the pocket of the Corn People and didn’t know health care issues, well, so be it. Sticks and stones…But maybe I am OK, because I am “intimate” with black people, as in my nieces and nephews are African American. Is it OK for people who are intimate with black people to not vote for Obama? Is that permissible?
Obama is on. Looks like Lord Voldemort,
Reading a prepared statement. He’s not only saying nothing, he is not connecting with the audiesnd
9/11! “The Tally ban is still out to get us.”
McCain = Bush
McCain is not equal to Change.
I repeat, McCain is NOT Change.
Sweating, stuttering, doing that snobby looking up thing.
He’s going to take questions BUT first he changes the subjects to Fannie Mae, and golden parachutes. He wrote a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury to say “no bonuses.” Hear that. He wrote a letter. He hopes that the Secretary of the Treasury will listen to Obama’s words.
Oh, the Georgetown Social Club that is our press are clutching their pearls and fainting into their rose-scented fingerbowls. They are having FURIOUS conversations at dinner parties about how that white trash frontierswoman (shudder) has DARED to challenge their position as arbiters of public opinion.
This isn’t about ideology, folks, this is about a bunch of insufferable snobs that rule the media getting all AFFRONTED that they are not being sufficiently bowed and scraped and shuffled to.
Palin challenged the position in the heavenly firmament of the cocktail weenie circuit blowhards. And by God she shall PAY for that impertinence!
First question: About Iraq.
Obama flounders around. He looks really ticked off.
I meant a three room house not a three bedroom house
Question on recent polls – Brutal!
I love this snippet:
“Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn’t a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey.”
I guess McCain/Palin are going to lose that all important arugula eating, high-information, pseudo intellectual voting block that they have so desparately been pursuing.
WMCB: They are having FURIOUS conversations at dinner parties about how that white trash frontierswoman (shudder) has DARED to challenge their position as arbiters of public opinion.
Made me laugh and remember how O mocked Hillary for being Annie Oakley. Now, he’s finally met a real Annie Oakley and he is terrified.
OT about write-ins: Someone had a link up about write-in votes per state, and Pennsylvania was blank.
I emailed the official PA voter site asking them how a write-in vote for someone not running for Pres. is counted in PA, and their answer is:
So it sounds like a write-in for Hillary in PA will not go to BO (phew!)
He’s only taking one more question! Three questions?
Plus he’s blaming the media for Palins popularity, Now he’s doing his scornful snort thing and struttering. He is ANGRY!
Just saw Willie Brown on CNN. That guy ROCKS. He’s the bomb (showing my age). Also love the lady interviewing him. Willie was saying – on trying to attack Sarah Palin – “he (Obama) has to use Hillary Clinton – HE can’t do it. She (Palin) is kinda like someone you see in the line at Wal-mart, someone you run into on the street. That’s not a person that an ‘elitist canidate’ can attack.
Willie is a VERY smart man.
Sadly, his comment about “using” Hillary was right.
This voter really can’t Hillary being used anymore.
Snippily ends “All right? Thank you, guys.”
Hillary backers come to defense of Palin, while Hillary refuse to attack Palin
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
This faux story that Palin lied about the bridge to nowhere is hysterical. Even the Alaska Democratic Party gives her credit for putting an end to it. The more I hear Palin’s views on things from Palin’s own lips the more I like her. She is not only not a religious nut whacko, she is a pretty moderate, mainstreet, common sense mom. Who would have thought. HRC is right again. This election is not about Palin and the more the media and Obama make it about Palin the more likely Obama is to lose.
Michael Kingsley: “liberal” journalist who used to write, I think, for The New Republic. Sometimes it is hard to see how once you take a stand for someone how easy it is to begin to orchestrate everything around them to support them. I even find myself doing it and I really have to pull back. But the core of a journalist is supposedly discovering and writing about the facts. I think what Kingsley’s article will do is cement ever more the feelings of small town America—-that great mass within which the urban centers are an archipelago of small islands. Don’t know how that is going to work out but could be not so good.
Obama took three questions from the press for nine minutes.
When I first heard about her moose shooting and that Alaskan Separatist group, etc. I was kinda put off but the more I think about it the more I realized that it’s just a different culture there. They are isolated from the lower 48 and the people there live in a harsher environment so they have to be tougher and more individualist than the average American. I have come to see it as a big plus for her that she has succeeded there. Kinsley is just jealous that he’s never done more than flap his gums and type on a keyboard. His world is the one of opinion. Hers is the world of action. She IS better than you, Michael.
Arabella, he is such a blowhard.
Someone railed on O’Reilly the other day for interrupting Obama in his interview. O’Reilly replied that since Obama can talk for 9 minutes on his shoelaces, he had to interrupt to get to more than one question in 30 minutes.
LMAO!
Ted Turner received over $100,000 last year in farm subsidies. Hmmm.
There’s a website that describes what a write-in candidate means in each
state. Google and look for it (and compare with others).
damatt, Ted Turner no longer owns CNN, and hasn’t for years. It was actually a very good network when he ran it. It went downhill fast when he sold it.
I’m no hunter, but i’m not a hypocrite either. I eat meat, and I’m sure that the cows, chickens, etc that I eat live and die in a far less humane way than the moose she is hunting–for consumption–Not to mention the plight of the workers at those facilities (as an NC resident I am familiar with the plight of workers in chicken and hog rendering facilities).
I have to say she looks much better than anyone I have ever seen on my occasional visits to Walmart. I love Willie but wonder if he has ever been to a Walmart. Maybe the CA ones have a better clientele?
I just hope Virginia, should they start drilling off it’s shores, follows suit and hits the oil companies with a windfall tax. We could use some new roads and bridges.
Mountain Sage
The Atlanta Braves were much better when Ted owned them, too. I curse him as well for selling everything off.
gary, hunting (if you eat it) is much more humane than any commercial method of getting meat. Palin has also said that one reason she does it is that she believes that wild game is healthier for her family.
My grandfather and uncles and cousins hunted, and used it to fill the freezer every winter. One of the times I’ve seen my grandfather the angriest was when a hunter missed a killing shot, and rather than track the wounded animal he wanted to go on home because he was tired.
My grandpa ripped him a new one. “You NEVER do that, you NEVER leave an animal to suffer, I don’t care how long you have to stay in these woods!”
People that kill their own food often have a huge respect and appreciation for the animals they hunt. Palin’s family strikes me as that way.
Not that this matters much to anyone but me but here’s Jeralyn’s response to my enquiry about my status at TL.
“yes, you were banned from commenting.
Jeralyn”
Such a loser.
Hillary backers come to defense of Palin
Jonathan Martin
22 minutes ago
yahoo news
The leaders of a women’s political organization that launched earlier this year to support Hillary Clinton are speaking out against what they say are examples of media sexism toward Sarah Palin and urging members to tell the press corps “to back off.”
WomenCount, a group co-founded by top Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell, posted a lengthy item on their blog decrying questions over whether Palin can, as a mother of five, juggle her family responsibilities and still be vice president.
“The very notion that Sarah Palin should not have accepted this nomination because she is a mother with demanding challenges underscores just how far we have to go,” wrote Rosemary Camposano, the group’s communications director.
She added: “It will be good for America to watch Sarah Palin on the campaign trail – bouncing from parenting to politics. That’s how most women function – multi-tasking, leaning on friends and family, and waking up each morning and doing it all again.”
The group notes, however, that they do not approve of Palin’s politics. “We cannot pretend that Governor Palin meets any standard of progressive politics or social values,” Camposano writes.
Unlike other feminist organizations which have taken up against Palin because of her conservative views, however, WomenCount says they’ll “work to stamp out sexism when we see it on the campaign trail.”
“To paraphrase the words of one blogger who said it best over the weekend: We will defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we like her or support her, but because that’s how feminism works.”
WomenCount was founded earlier this year by Buell, once the head of Esprit and now a full-time philanthropist and activist, when Clinton was urged by some to quit the race. The group pushed back against such sentiments and has since contributed to other female candidates. They’ve also yet to endorse Obama
Clinton herself took to the campaign trail in Florida yesterday on Obama’s behalf and urged voters to support the Democratic ticket. But, prompted by one spectator, she declined to take after Palin.
“You know what? I don’t think that’s what this election is about,” Clinton said at a rally in Kissimmee. “This election is about the differences between us and the Republican Party,”
Gary,
What a righteous rant! And I love that you always follow your rants with relevant facts to show why you’re right. Michael Kinsley is a good writer, but he has always been a terrible snob and a misogynist to boot. When he was editor of the LA Times op-ed page he made mocked women who asked for more representation from females on the editorial pages.
Kinsley is what used to be called a neoliberal–now DLC? He isn’t pushing Obama because he wants a black or a liberal for president, I guarantee you that.
garychapelhill, on September 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Said:
I’m no hunter, but i’m not a hypocrite either. I eat meat, and I’m sure that the cows, chickens, etc that I eat live and die in a far less humane way than the moose she is hunting–for consumption–
So true. My BIL lives in rural, central PA and he hunts for his food. We had a big discussion about it and I actually have more respect now for those who actually hunt for their food. I couldn’t do it – I’ve been vegetarian in the past and could easily do it again.
My sister and BIL live close to the land. They are both college educated – he is a forester and she is a naturalist at a State Park. They have a belief system much like Sarah Palin – they are good people, not bitter hicks. This is most likely the first time I will vote with them.
WMCB – my BIL also said the same thing about an injured animal. He tracked a deer for almost 4 hours in order to finally put it out of its suffering – he didn’t kill it on the first shot.
He also killed a black bear – when I saw the skin on his wall, I was both repulsed and wowed by its beauty. I asked him about it and he said that the bear wasn’t backing down and he had to make a decision on whose life was going to be lost – it wasn’t going to be his. I asked him what he did with the bear afterwards – he ate it.
Good for Kingsley! He and all the blowhard inside the bubble Elite Media Pundidiots are only showing their true colors. We should thank him for allowing us to see what passes, with him, for a thought process.
All this folks like to bloviate about how the “common folk” and the “middle class” think and feel. Fact is they haven’t a clue. If they did come from middle-class families they are divided from that experience by a years of obscenely large paychecks, life on the cocktail weenie circuit and life amongst the other “haves”.
When they try to talk to the “common folk” (peasants) their attitudes comes shining through. And they are revealed as the pompous, arrogant, blowhards they are.
Money, money where is the money? The Obama coffers are not as full as Obama and the DNC wish them to be. NY Times article today reports trouble in Obama’s fundraising paradise:
“The Obama campaign does not have to report its August fund-raising totals until next week, so it is difficult to tally what it has in the bank at this point. A spokesman said that August was its best fund-raising month yet and that the campaign’s fund-raising was on track. But the campaign finished July with slightly less cash on hand with the Democratic National Committee compared with Mr. McCain and the R.N.C. The Obama campaign has also been spending heavily, including several million more than the McCain campaign in advertising in August.
A California fund-raiser familiar with the party’s August performance estimated that it raised roughly $17 million last month, a drop-off from the previous month, and finished with just $13 million in the bank.”
If this is true, looks like Obama’s cash cow has dried up.
What was O on tv for? The education speech or just face time to remind people he’s the democratic candidate? To be honest, he’s unraveling much faster than I anticipated.
By the way, where the hell is Joe Biden? Why isn’t he taking on SarahBaracuda? He should be handling this situation, not Hillary. It’s Joe’s job to deal with the VP candidate and he’s done jacksh!t. And I don’t want to hear any of that gender crap about Hillary v Sarah – a candidate is a candidate. The. End.
Cellphones vs Landlines Polling
I saw a story today about polling and they asked about that controversy. The expert said they use computers that dial random digits-not actual phone numbers. So a cellphone is just as likely to be called as a landline.
as a Native American…I’ll tell you… there was at one time much racism against some tribes (dirty, drunk Indians was the chant)
But with the advent of Gaming… that chant has changed to one more reflective of jealousy
I, highly educated and well armed by my parents to think and stand up for myself, have experienced NO bigotry in my life other than “being a woman”.
I am all about advancing tribal interests! Far as I’m concerned it’s OUR TURN to grab for the golden ring. And we better do it before we completely lose track of our culture.
For those who have experienced persistent racism, my one piece of advise is “don’t become the evil you seek to defeat”. And that does seem to be the mantra of the Obama campaign.
My folks taught me to be true to my principals and the truth and that should be sufficient to see me through any adversity!
Kos has THREE rants in a row on his front page, all of them about Palin. Did they forget about John McCain? Their deranged sexism is beyond belief…
Jerylyn is one of the saddest casualties of this election season.
Never underestimate a cockroach campaign…
You won’t believe this one. The Obama bloggers (all acting simultaneously, as usual) are pimping a story that says Palin’s hometown charged rape victims for exam kits.
The whole fauxrage is based on a 2000 story in a local paper.
No verification, investigation, nothing
Hey Joan,
I see beautiful people all the time in Walmart.
Where do you live?
myiq, alan colmes was pushing that story last night too, of course without any sourcing whatsoever. He also claimed that her pastor said that if you didn’t support GWB you were evil…he didn’t bother to mention where he heard that one either.
I am sick of the r@cism meme, totally and completely cick of it. It is causing division every where I look. When I left O’s campaign, one of my biggest fears was that r@ce would be played to the point that relations would be set back for years to come. I see it happening now and I am afraid it will only get worse.
PJ…..Excellent observation i.e. Jeralyn….she has made a descent into madness…
Myiq2xu….Love your posts at TL!!!!! Seriously, the anti-Palinists don’t think they need verification of anything; they said it, so it is so….sad indeed.
CLINTON SUPPORTERS….YOUR CHANCE TO BE HEARD:
http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?topicId=81225
People in Chapel Hill like to brag that there is no Wal-Mart in the town, nor any other mega chain stores. The truth is that these stores form a line up and down the town line, just over it in Durham. Convenient for shopping but outside of their perfect little bubble. Lucky for them, it keeps the rif-raff out of town too…bunch of hypocrites….
AAO:
Your sponsors were, indeed, very kind people. You sound like the kind of person who will pass that kindness on to give someone else a leg up when they need it. It’s contagious.
And, BTW, I come from a small town too, and grew up in several very small towns. My mother was born in Hope, ND, population 303 in the year 2000. Her father was a Dentist who traveled each week to treat people in two different small towns.
When my mom was in high school, they moved to Lisbon, ND, population 2,318. My paternal grandfather came from Sauk Centre, MN, population 3,930 in 2000. When I was three years old, our family moved to Lawrence, KS. My mom and Dad went to college in the huge city of Fargo, ND (I’m guessing about 25,000 in the 1940s.
My dad got his first job as a teacher in Sheldon, Iowa, population now less than 5,000. When we moved to Lawrence, KS, we thought we were big city dwellers. Until I moved to Boston as a young woman, I never lived in a town even close to 100,000.
I definitely qualify as a small town girl. I guess I know what Michael Kinsley–and Barack Obama–think about that.
Holy crapola! Have most of these pundits lost their minds? We must vote Obama or we are showing our rac*ist colors? I have never seen the level of discourse or analysis lowered to such hateful extremes in all my life. What does this say should and if he gets to the WH?
I am completely blown away by some of the filth and garbage being strewn out there just because a woman has entered the race and has eclipsed The One. This is sick. These people need to be exposed for what they are: vile smearmasters. Unbelievable! Great post nevertheless, gary.
bboomer, I actually read a comment at the cheeto by some young guy who was speculating that Americans are all a bunch of uneducated hicks because our forefathers had it easy. you know free land, didn’t have to use their brains, etc. I can’t believe how out of touch these kids are. They don’t have a clue. I’d love to plop him down out in the middle of the prairie and see how long he lasts.
Wow…over the edge. This guy is writing for TIME?!?
I guess TIME lost their credibility due to the close ties to CNN.
I came across this from a post on NQ.
They WANT us to feel alone and isolated…”manufacturing public opinion” is more than just shaping it; it’s creating it out of thin air.
“David Axelrod’s Other Public-Relations Business Makes Extensive Use of “Astroturfing” to Dishonestly Shape Public Opinion”
“Astroturfing” is the practice of creating a false impression of widespread public support through the creation of dummy websites and organizations which are merely parroting their corporate parent’s line (unbeknownst to the reader, who thinks he’s reading an “independent take”), and of course spreading memes on the internet through sockpuppet commenters.
As Treacher noted, that line Kos got from “a reader” (unnamed), that “Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor” sure did rocket through the interwebs quickly. Problem with the theory of it spreading rapidly by real, organic transmission? It’s fucking laugh out loud stupid!
And of course there may be a couple of big bloggers representing themselves as the sort of people who, say, struggle to see the truth in front of their noses, who just might be benefiting from Axelrod’s astroturf campaigning.
Seems kind of interesting. Interesting story, interesting technique, a lot of dishonesty to give it some juice… an important story about the inner workings of a major political campaign for president.
Therefore, I am sure I speak for everyone when I say I expect the media to get right on this.
http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001554.html
Mother, May I Sleep with Treacher?
Look at all these rumors, runnin’ me every day
Just Asking Questions
I’ve been trying to find out more about Obama’s chief campaign adviser David Axelrod. No particular reason; I’ve just seen him on some of these talking-heads shows and he seems like an awesome guy. And after about 20 seconds with Google, I found this interesting tidbit from the March ‘08 issue of Business Week. It’s about how Axelrod juggles his work for AKP&D Message & Media, his Chicago-based political consultancy business, with his work for another PR company he runs:
From the same River North address, Axelrod operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be top secret, from its client roster and revenue to even the number of its employees. But customers and public records confirm that it has quarterbacked campaigns for the Chicago Children’s Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T.
ASK’s predilection for operating in the shadows shows up in its work. On behalf of ComEd and Comcast, the firm helped set up front organizations that were listed as sponsors of public-issue ads. Industry insiders call such practices “Astroturfing,” a reference to manufacturing grassroots support. Alderman Brendan Reilly of the 42nd Ward, who has been battling the Children’s Museum’s relocation plans, describes ASK as “the gold standard in Astroturf organizing. This is an emerging industry, and ASK has made a name for itself in shaping public opinion and manufacturing public support.”
WMCB, I put Ted Turner because he received all of that money in farm subsidies and I think that is wrong. The system was set up to protect small farmers, but it is the rich that are getting richer from it. I don’t care what they own or what party they belong to. It has really ticked me off since they reported it last year.
I too have noticed that Obama isn’t talking much about his fundraising prowess lately. I guess all the Republicans who wanted Hillary to lose are now back to giving to McCain. How come an uneducated Catholic old hag could see this coming but the intellectual elite of the DNC had no clue?
You have to ask yourself where all this hatred and rage is coming from. It is downright scary. They hardly censor themselves anymore, just spew it out, line after line.
As for a McCain presidency, let’s always be mindful that John Kerry begged McCain to accept the VP slot on his ticket only 4 years ago. I am no fan of McCain/Palin as such, but I do not consider that win to be the end of civilization as we know it. That event occurred when Hillary announced her run for president and the blogs, pundits, and MSM trotted out their hateful messages in response.
Nothing is sacred anymore. Absolutely nothing.
“Your taxes subsidize Alaska!”
You know what, asshole? I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA! Our entire STATES subsidizes all 49 other states! It happens! GET OVER IT.
We FEED the other states, we send technology to the other states, we educate their kids, and our economy drives a huge chunk of the US economy. It’s just how things are.
Kathy: Move over girl! We have one good thing going for us: commonsense. Along with a b.s. detector that never fails.
If you weren’t a rac!st before this campaign began it would almost be enough to turn you into one.
How incredibly sad. So much for the “uniter”.
myiq2xu, on September 9th, 2008 at 12:51 pm Said:
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As far as “rape kits” and charging for them, I read another post that succinctly dismantled the “outrage”.
Apparently, “most” states charge for these sorts of things especially when the individual is not covered by insurance.
I have lived my life in Brooklyn, Washington, DC and now Baltimore, and I do believe that Republicans build up this ‘heartland’, rural America thing that I find offensive. Most Americans live in urban, East-Coast America. Obama tried to tie into this mystic with his claim that he could win in the rural West and mid-West. Now, the Obama -backing media is upset because Palin is pulling the rug out from under Obama. We Americans are a wonderfully diverse people and all of us are equally Americans. PUMAmerica.
And Obama was the “transcender” of all things! He could not “unite” his shoelaces let alone his party and the entire country for God’s sake!
Gary: You are brilliant! It sounds like this article should have been published in US Magazine and not Time. How can these people stoop so low? They are really underestimated our intelligence and I find that appalling.
Although this is from The Onion, it is more true than not:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_modifies_yes_we_can_message
I’ll never forget on C-Span, “JUST BEFORE THE FAMOUS
RACE SPEECH”. Obama was asked a question on “Agent Orange” he mumbled fumbled & “swiped” @ Hillary. Then stopped the questioning & later that day brought the news the “SPEECH” was coming.
1st- I thought “WOW” Hillary could “NAIL” this question, without knowing that as “1st Lady” (remember her volunteer position that shouldn’t count on her resume’)she PUSHED for help with
soldiers complaining of this.
“MY POV”…… YOUR ALL CORRECT
**Obama EXPLOITS THE RACE CARD WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS!!
Gary,
OMG! My parents lived through the dust bowl, the Great Depression, and my Dad spend 5 years in the Pacific in WWII. He was in the North Dakota national guard and ended up overseas at 19, and fought with the marines at Guadalcanal. My Dad practically had to support his family during the depression when my Grandfather lost his sight from a shooting accident. These kids have no clue, but they are going to get a dose of reality in November.
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
I used to like Michael Kinsley; seemed like a good writer.
Listen, I respect Those of you who live in small towns and in the countryside. But, DON’T try and pawn off the like of these Obama apologists and snobs on those of us in teh Big City (I’m in NYC) cause WE DON’T WANT THEM HERE EITHER!!!
I’ve voted for other Black politicians (David Dinkins, Yvette Clarke, to name two) but I ain’t votin’ for Barry. Go ahead Kinsley, I DEFY YOU: call me a racist!
-MS
Thanks Charles.
myiq2xu, I usually find myself nodding along when I read your posts, but I disagree about the “bridge to nowhere” story. Palin was taking great liberties with fact, and I know that politicians do this, but I applaud Greenwald for reporting it. It is real news about real issues, which is the kind of story we want our journalists to cover, right? Yay, Glenn Greenwald, for reporting things that affect all of our purses, instead of reporting that Palin is inexcusably attractive.
Although Bob Somerby covered it first, so it didn’t take a lot of investigation.
PJ-I live in the suburbs of Richmond VA. The better looking prople prefer Target! : )
What’d I do wrong? Why am I in moderation?
-MS
I am one of the few who loves Mike Gravel! He tells it like it is.
Wow – the Dems don’t care how they divide us. Race, Gender, Age, Class. . .
Now its Country Mouse vs. City Mouse.
I don’t believe the Party will ever recover from alienating large portions of its traditional base.
“Jeralyn is one of the saddest casualties of this election season.”
PJ, this is eerily similar to that scene in The Stepford Wives (original version of course) where Joanna seeks refuge in the kitchen of her normal best friend, only to realize that BF is now garbed in the long dress and talking about baking.
How many of us viewed Barack Obama’s speech at the 2004 convention and came away enthusiastic supporters, only to find when we looked at his record that there was nothing there? Now, for exercising our critical thinking skills, we are labeled “rac!sts”.
What a great way to “unite” the party.
I managed to miss the 2004 speech.
I had no idea how grateful I would be for that omission.
Except where those “city mice” are working-class bunkers.
creeper, I remember seeing his speech in 2004 and thinking he was a good speaker but … still being a bit underwhelmed especialyl since everyone else was slavering over how brilliant and wonderful and perfect it was. I thought it was good. I also thought I’d heard far more insightful, uplifting things coming out of my friends’ mouths for years prior.
He struck me as okay, but not quite as fabulous as everyone had said. A good up-and-comer who’d be great to watch and see what he was made of. But even then, my skepticism was thinking, “Wait and see. He’s still too new.”
I often feel like Jane Goodall when it comes to my fellow human beings; Barack Obama’s speech in 2004 was one of my Jane Goodall moments.
Wonderful post Gary, I hope this finds an even wider audience.
Now I know why Kinsley and his ilk reject the label of liberal-you know like the liberal people who wrote and passed our Constitution-and insist on calling themselves “progressives.” It’s because they are not liberal.
Leech off the government ?? The government is there by assent to protect us and help us when needed; otherwise why have one at all?
Kinsley and co. really are elitist, selfish and utterly out of touch just like the charicature of Democrats that’s been so successful for the Republicans for the past fifty years. Basically they’re libertarians who are hijacking my Party and will spell the end of the Democratic brand if left unchecked.
Gary,
My father’s mother moved to North Dakota when it had barely achieved statehood. She went out there to set up an office for the insurance co. she worked for in Boston. My grandfather worked as a cowboy!! It was wild out there in those days. Can you imagine the guts it took for a young woman to move out there from Massachusetts?
Jesus, even my generation had the Vietnam war. While I admit economic times have been tough for Gen X, what hardships have they really faced yet? Well times are going to get hard in this country, and Obama won’t be able to help us–of that I’m sure.
I am so sick and f**king tired of this phoney elitism from so called “progressives.”
lillianjane:
Where is the similar reporting on Obama?
“I don’t believe the Party will ever recover from alienating large portions of its traditional base.”
It’ll recover , once the traditional base -and the Clintons- start shaking off those Patrician Dems-in January.
(But the loss of UHC is hard to get over)
lillianjane, on September 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm Said:
“Jeralyn is one of the saddest casualties of this election season.”
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It makes one wonder just what exactly is in those cocktail weenies. Jeralyn didn’t go off the deep end until she attended a CNN event with Jane Hampshire during the Democratic Convention.
It’s a shame how a person’s drive to be popular or relevant allows them to compromise their beliefs and values.
Sorry Joan – just hit a nerve.
Obama’s 2004 convention speech is overrated.
He was preaching to the choir, and even most of his biggest fans would have a hard time quoting any lines from it.
As we now know, someone else probably wrote it.
Great speeches change minds, they resonate and inspire, and they last in our minds and hearts.
Frankly, Andrew Shepard’s speech in The American President was much better.
Michael Douglas is a much better actor than Obama.
garyofch – As a resident of Durham and a taxpayer I would like to thank Chapel Hill for being so stupid.
Joan…
liked your reply though…
myiq2xu said:
” Frankly, Andrew Shepard’s speech in The American President was much better.
Michael Douglas is a much better actor than Obama.”
Funny as hell, and you’re right! One of MY favorite movies, btw…
-MS
Here’s my big THANK YOU to the DNC, Obama, and Big Media. Yes, I do feel I owe them a debt of gratitude. I now realize that I own my vote. I am empowered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7pQpNx-F4
After all you put me through
You’d think I despise you
But in the end, I wanna thank you
‘Cause you make me that much stronger
When I, thought I knew you
Thinking that you were true
I guess I, I couldn’t trust
Called your bluff, time is up
‘Cause I’ve had enough
You were, there by my side
Always down for the ride
But your, joy ride just came down in flames
‘Cause your greed sold me out of shame
After all of the stealing and cheating
You probably think that I hold resentment for you
But, oh no, you’re wrong
‘Cause if it wasn’t for all that you tried to do
I wouldn’t know just how capable I am to pull through
So I wanna say thank you
‘Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter
Never saw it coming
All of your backstabbing
Just so you could cash in
On a good thing before I realized your game
I heard you’re going round
Playing the victim now
But don’t even begin
Feeling I’m the one to blame
‘Cause you dug your own grave
After all of the fights and the lies
Yes you wanted to harm me but that won’t work anymore
No more, oh no, it’s over
‘Cause if it wasn’t for all of your torture
I wouldn’t know how to be this way now
And never back down
So I wanna say thank you
‘Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
Makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
It makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter
How could this man I thought I knew
Turn out to be unjust, so cruel
Could only see the good in you
Pretended not to see the truth
You tried to hide your lies, disguise yourself
Through living in denial
But in the end you’ll see
You won’t stop me
I am a fighter and I
I ain’t goin’ stop
There is no turning back
I’ve had enough
‘Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter
Thought I would forget
But I remember
I remember
I’ll remember, I’ll remember
Thought I would forget
But I remember
I remember
I’ll remember, I’ll remember
‘Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter
Not to mention Jimmy Stewart in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.”
-MS
“Jeralyn is one of the saddest casualties of this election season.”
I keep thinking of the Monty Python episode in which a blancmange turns everyone into Scotsmen so it can win Wimbledon.
They Mean to Win Wimbledon
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1sYgknWGSA
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljCQeqFouVU
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMCNltgrs1U
MyIQ, I think the first part of your comment was the important parT: he was preaching to the choir. He can talk to people he knows will worship him well, because it’s like he has a script in his head that runs, “I say stuff, pause for the cheers, then say something else, pause for more cheers … ” When the cheers aren’t forthcoming, he is off-script. He literally has no clue what to do.
I can quote from the speech myself, from the parts that struck me as good speechwriting. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don’t like people poking around in our libraries in the red states. It was good — but it was good. It wasn’t the goddamned second coming.
I recall a short comment from Howard Deana bout how the Dems lost in 2004; he made a comment about how the Dems consistently underestimate how deeply religious Americans are. We do. I’m atheist; I’ll openly say that I tend to find organized religion rather laughable and sad.
But what they did was they figured if they could whip up a religious messiah-figure, they could capitalize on that. They still didn’t get what the religiosity of Americans was; they thought they’d come to a brilliant strategic realization that “most Americans are religious,” and then they filled in the blanks with the worst of their own stereotypes of what “religious” meant: chanting and falling to the ground in front of a messiah, like a cult following.
To most Americans, religion is a sort of quiet, rock-solid, hard little thing underneath their lives that they like to rest on but don’t like to think about or talk about all that much. They allude to it, make proclamations, and then go about their lives. Most American religious types are not swooning snake-handlers. *shakes head*
And what they got instead was exactly the opposite; they didn’t woo the fundies over from the other side; they created a shitload of unrevealed fundies on their own side, young kids who were DYING for their own chance to weep oceans at the sight of the Radiant One’s golden halo.
Americans may be religious, but we also don’t like phonies. Dog whistles are one thing, but once we feel like someone’s bullshitting us, we turn red. We’re not that bright a lot of times, but once we clue in, we don’t clue OUT.
myiq2xu–damn that’s an awkward moniker to type– touche. (I didn’t forget the accent egule, I just don’t know how to add it on my keyboard). I would like to see similar investigative journalism into Obama’s record with the Illinois legislature. Only the New Yorker has really dealt with that. But still, I think we should encourage actual reporting when we see it, and simply ask for coverage of both sides. The problem isn’t with the issue, it’s with the bias.
WMCB, I’m with you there. I own my vote and I won’t be insulted, denigrated, told to sit down and shut up and be a good girl.
All my life I’ve been castigated by people who claim to love me, be my friend, be my political ally. This election has lured the woman-hating hypocrites out of their lairs so we can get a good look at them. I know who my friends and enemies are now.
carol and pat
OT
sometimes we need a break from the uglyness of this campaign.
i thought you would like this. It has nothing to do with the campaign.
http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/7383/1/tryouts
http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/19214/1/connie the recordingstar
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
OT, but such a good laugh!!!
O PASTOR IN SEX SCANDAL
REV. WRIGHT DONE ME WRONG: CHURCH LADY
SAMUEL GOLDSMITH in Dallas
and JEANE MacINTOSH in NY
Elizabeth Payne
September 9, 2008
He almost wrecked Barack Obama’s presidential dreams, and now firebrand pastor Jeremiah Wright has helped destroy a Dallas church worker’s marriage – and her job, The Post has learned.
Elizabeth Payne, 37, said she had a steamy sexual affair with the controversial, racially divisive man of the cloth while she was an executive assistant at a church headed by a popular Wright protégé.
When word of the unholy alliance got out, Payne’s husband dumped her, and she was canned from the plum job at Friendship-West Baptist Church, she told The Post.
“I was involved with Rev. Wright, and that’s why I lost my job and why my husband divorced me,” Payne said.
She refused to reveal when the adulterous affair started or how she met Wright.
But fellow churchgoers at Friendship-West “found out about the affair in the spring,” Payne said.
At the time, she was secretary to the Rev. Frederick Haynes III, a longtime Wright disciple.
In April, Payne organized a series of Texas public appearances by Wright, 67. Weeks before, Obama had disavowed his preacher of 20 years after Wright’s anti-government rants came to light.
“Liz was by Rev. Wright’s side day and night during those days,” a church source said.
“It’s all true,” said Payne, adding that she has filed a wrongful-dismissal claim with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to get her job back.
In an ironic twist, Wright last night spoke at an East Orange, NJ, church revival on the subject of “unexpected problems.”
“There’s no such thing as a problem-free relationship,” he told a packed Elmwood United Presbyterian Church. “In life, you’ll have unexpected problems.”
He punctuated his 45-minute sermon with evocative 1960s hits, including the Supremes’ “Where Did Our Love Go,” Frankie Beverley’s “Joy and Pain,” and the Temptations’ “Ain’t Too Proud to Beg.” He’s set to speak there again tonight.
Payne’s husband, Fred Payne, 64, said he learned of the affair in late February, when he discovered e-mails between his wife and Wright.
“There must have been about 80 of them, back and forth,” he said. “Wright said things like he was going to leave his wife for Elizabeth.”
Wright has been married to his second wife, Ramah, for more than 20 years.
The preacher reportedly wooed Ramah away from her first husband in the 1980s, when the couple came to marriage counseling at Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
After discovering he had been cuckolded, Fred Payne, who had married Elizabeth in October 2006, headed straight for divorce court.
“I was downright mad about this bull- – - -,” said Fred, who said he is “in the oil and gas business,” belongs to a hunting club and makes his own bullets in his garage.
“People wouldn’t be happy to know that my wife was sleeping with a black man.”
He added, “Rev. Haynes doesn’t like the interracial thing, either. This was quite an issue for him.”
Elizabeth Payne said she has been banished by Haynes and the flock at Friendship-West.
“I’m not a member of the congregation anymore; I’m not even allowed on the premises,” she said.
Wright became an embarrassment for Obama after videos of the preacher’s old sermons emerged.
In them, Wright blamed the United States for the 9/11 attacks and boomed, “God damn America!”
Additional reporting by Austin Fenner
jeane.macintosh@nypost.com
lillianjane,
I watched that movie and it does feel eerily similar. I wish this election season could end like that movie.
It just makes me depressed. Like I’m not holding out a lot of hope that Matthew is suddenly going to see the light and save the day.
Janis, wow, that’s a really interesting analysis.
“We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don’t like people poking around in our libraries in the red states. ”
And they’ve lost sight of that. Now it’s all about us vs them, those stupid bitches, those closet r%c1sts, those moronic hicks. longtime DUer said, “the problem is those voters exist in the first place.”
That attitude + unchecked power = gulags. I appreciate our checks and balances more all the time.
“He was preaching to the choir, and even most of his biggest fans would have a hard time quoting any lines from it.”
I can’t quote one, I really liked what he said about our schools (I think)–how black children should learn that getting good grades and speaking well isn’t “acting white”. I was impressed by his 2004 speech, to be sure, but I wonder how much was that bias we have in favor of very good looking people. Funny how I don’t even notice his looks now that I know about his person.
lillianjane, on September 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm Said:
“Jeralyn is one of the saddest casualties of this election season.”
Too true.
OTOH, Alegre has a post up this morning acknowledging a vote for McCain/Palin as a valid choice. This represents huge progress there.
Dee, I actually live in Durham Co. but inside the Chapel Hill city limits…talk about limbo from hell!!
BBoomer, I would consider my generation GenX–and I’m 38, not these newbies, they’re gen y or something aren’t they? no wait, millenials, that’s what they’re called.
Janis said “Except where those “city mice” are working-class bunkers.”–exactly, every demo that obama doesn’t appeal to is automatically racist.
Janis, you are dead on. The DNC tried to run a cultural snake-handler preacher, and it has all come crashing down.
Janis,
“To most Americans, religion is a sort of quiet, rock-solid, hard little thing underneath their lives that they like to rest on but don’t like to think about or talk about all that much.”
My mother is exactly one of those people who quietly LIVES her religion. She is enormously unselfish; if she is aware of need around her, whether it’s paying for prescriptions or unpaid property taxes, she quietly takes care of it. Hillary is cut from this cloth, too, which is I respect her so much and voted for her.
BB-Yes, my great greats came from Scotland in the 1870s, and crossed the Great Plains in a covered wagon. The parents died, and the eldest girl was left to drag up her six siblings as well as she could.
Later they scattered over the US and Canada.
That’s why I find being called a racist so wrong. As a family we had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery.
Times were hard during the Great Depression too.
At ten years old my father was out selling newspapers barefoot, to help support his mother and his poliomelitic sister.
They made it, he got a college degree, the fifties arrived and things were easier. But he always remained a FDR Liberal who believed in paying taxes, in the redistribution of wealth, in decent schools, and health care.
I still believe in his values but I do not believe any more in the Democratic Party.
I was in the supermarket the other night and I happened to smile at an attractive young African American couple. They glared at me and they looked so hostile that I quickly checked to make sure that I hadn’t co-opted their shopping cart by mistake.
I day dream a lot so that sort of mistake is pretty much a constant in my day.
But, no, I had not.
Then the young man turned around and on his tee shirt which has some type of cityscape on the front were big, red letters saying “Us Versus Them.”
Maybe the message and the glare were completely unrelated but I had to wonder if they’d seen a white woman with gray hair and a possible Hillary supporter who’s standing in the way.
When did I become the enemy??
Now, no one has to smile at me just because I smiled and if someone tells me that that’s a famous sports saying, then I’ll be both embarassed and relieved but I feel a tension in the air that’s new.
This is so very touchy but when mango whatever writes that kind of stuff, it makes us all guilty until proven innocent and you can’t prove what’s in your heart.
I hate this!
“Jeralyn is one of the saddest casualties of this election season.”
PJ said this–it just appears in my reply to her post.
Claire is bs – ing on MSNBC. “Well, maybe Governor Palin will decide to come out and answer some questions………………..”
She needs to go down. I am sick of these pigs.
OMG, Gary, you NAILED it! As usual! My extended family is from Virginia and Tennessee but I was raised in Washington state, the jumping off spot for points north. I have been to Alaska, our last frontier, several times. These DNC stooges are soooooo inept, irresponsible, ignorant and downright insulting! I’d LOVE to see Mr Kinsley make those statements at a press conference in Juneau or Fairbanks or Seward or Ketchikan! OMG! He has NO idea what the last frontier of this country is like or what the people who carved out lives there and their ancestors endured to build the great state of Alaska. He has no idea and apparently NO curiosity. It’s these moments when I remember that karma in the end is the great leveler.
I am from Chicago. Obama is trying to win on what we in Chicago call the Harold Washington coalition, after our first African-American mayor. The election of Washington pitted lakefront liberals and African Americans on one side against the “Bungalow Belt” on the other. The alliance Washington forged, was so strong, and the desire for reform so real, that he prevailed.
The problem with this model (which Paul Begala called “eggheads plus African Americans”) is that the mathematics don’t scale nationally. The Obama campaign appears not to have thought beyond the Chicago model in crafting an electoral coalition.
here is your afternoon Fuzzybearfunny
PUMA volenteers are NEEDED for November 4th and 5th to help out in catching the huge number of Obots that will be jumping off buildings after “Bullwinkle” loses the General Election.
Ann Expert (from the Psydelica University Online)predicts this could be the greatest mass suiside in world history!
Unfortunately holding the country to this sort of emotional blackmail by millions of Obots/Obats is not expected to materially affect the outcome of the election.
One PUMA was heard saying “good ridence to bad rubbish! now the blogshere can return to substantative debate and civil manners with them gone…”
So the question is how many will jump and will it be from buildings higher than 2 stories?
fuzzybeargville
SweetSue, it’s so sad. I will never forgive Obama for the harm he has done to race relations in this country. Never. Because even if that was a misunderstanding, and the teeshirt meant nothing, 2 years ago it would never have occurred to you to doubt what your AA neighbors were thinking of you.
Not to mention all the young AA people, who when Obama loses big are going to assume that it’s because all those white people are racist because the TeeVee told them so. It is inexcusable the filth they are putting in the minds of these kids.
It is so damaging, to AA’s and white people alike.
Just one of the 440 comments about the “Dominatrix” article by Gary Kumiya in Salon today:
Would I fuck Sarah Palin? Fuck yeah! Would I vote for Sarah Palin? Fuck no!
Shame on any of you who vote for her especially if you’re a women & vote “because you want a women in the White House”.
– steveinmidtown
AA’s are voting 90% for Obama. Women have the power to put a woman into the White House, and tell steveinmidtown and all the other jerks that he won’t ever get the chance to F–k Sarah Palin and he can just F–k Off!
WMCB, that Beyonce song and Aguerila ’s “I Am A Fighter” got me through my treadmill routine this primary season.
Thanks.
Speaking of racism, I find it rather sad that there seems to be little voiced condemnation from the AA community regarding the views J.Wright promulgates . oh well.
btw I enjoy the commentary here. Great conversations!
Fuzzy! How are you today?
Feeling better?
lillianjane – good of you to say. Not into plagarism? What a breath of fresh air.
Unfortunately, this year of “post racial transcendence” has brought out the worst in some of us. Obama had the opportunity to make a difference but he chose to place his own ambition ahead of all else.
Imagine if he had stood tall on behalf of the daily beatings Hillary had to take and acted more like a man rather than playing to the frat boy club? It would have moved him a little further up in our estimations because he was taking a stand on behalf of a white woman rather than standing off in a corner and permitting his fan club to distort her.
Imagine if he had proclaimed those charges or ra*cism made by Clyburn against the Clinton’s as something he personally derided. It is easy to imagine since he never acted in good faith but allowed this race to become as divisive as it has because he lacks the principles and the core elements to have made that difference a reality.
Opportunity has been lost due to inaction. He could have made a difference.
I think at this point, the Dems have pushed away a huge portion of their base for good. It will take a lot of work by the Clintons to bring the base back after this is over.
But if any couple can do it, they can.
Obama does not connect with the average Dem. He connects with slick young technically savvy youth voters. Apparently, the young people in our country are attracted to a bright shiny new thing without digging very deep for substance.
Anyone notice how Sarah shakes hands and engages the audiences? It is like she is talking to each person individually even though she is talking to the entire crowd. They showed her buying a coffee, and she was in deep conversation with the clerk.
Obama comes off, and “stay away from me” with the public in comparison.
Pat Johnson, on September 9th, 2008 at 2:05 pm Said:
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EXACTLY!
uhbama failed the moment he didn’t take a stand on misogyny/racist smears against Hillary.
Michael Kinsley was a wonderful and articulate liberal.
Don’t know what has happened to him-remember he used to do ‘crossfire.’
I think he has Parkinsons or some similar problem the past few years.
They have already mass produced “Sarah Palin” dolls. One showed her with an outfit consisting of a very short skirt and a plunging neckline with her bra showing. Very classy! Such sexist pigs who put these things together. Must be the same firm that created the Hillary Nutcracker doll. Boors.
“a cellphone is just as likely to be called as a landline.”
AHAHAHAHAHA!! During the Kerry campaign this was all we heard about from Leftblogistan: The cell phones will save us! All the cool hipsters have cell phones so pollsters can’t even find them but they will flood the polling stations with a Kerry landslide!!” We heard about this constantly…
The ‘bots tried this one, too, and it was working for them until the actual pollsters informed them that, um, they actually had figured out a way to control for this.
Now it’s “GROUND GAME”!! Ground game is the new cell phones. Obama is going to trounce McCain in every single state because of his formidable, steamroller-like, amazing and unprecedented ground game. Sure, OK.
ParkSlopeVoter, on September 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm Said:
myiq2xu said:
” Frankly, Andrew Shepard’s speech in The American President was much better.
Michael Douglas is a much better actor than Obama.”
Funny as hell, and you’re right! One of MY favorite movies, btw…
-MS
Also one of my favorite movies. I think many of the Obots project their fantasy of the perfect president in The American President or West Wing onto Obama.
Opportunity has been lost due to inaction. He could have made a difference.
Add that to the long list of things I will never forgive Obama for. He robbed me, and he robbed this country, of a chance to vote for my first AA president with JOY.
I remember how over the moon I was at the beginning, at the idea of possibly being able to vote for both an AA and a woman this year. At that point I would have been okay with the ticket in either order, despite his inexperience.
But he chose to build up his historic candidacy at the cost of tearing down and spitting on the woman, and in so doing he covered even the promise of himself with FILTH.
I have long desired to vote for an AA for president, and I have long desired to vote for a woman. That asshole robbed me of not one, but BOTH.
Elixir, on September 9th, 2008 at 12:36 pm Said:
Not that this matters much to anyone but me but here’s Jeralyn’s response to my enquiry about my status at TL.
“yes, you were banned from commenting.
Jeralyn”
Such a loser.
Don’t feel bad Elixir. I was banned from TalkLeft last month without even an explanation from Jeralyn. I’m sure 95% of us would be banned from TalkLeft since we are not voting for Obama.
Speaking of the Clintons, I was happy to find this item on yahoo news:
Bill Clinton named chairman of Constitution Center
Former President Bill Clinton has been named the next chairman of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, succeeding former President George H.W. Bush, the center announced Tuesday.
Bush has been chairman of the museum and nonprofit group, dedicated to educating the public about the U.S. Constitution, since January 2007. Clinton will begin his term on Jan. 1.
Both men have long ties to the museum, which sits in Philadelphia’s historic section near the Liberty Bell and Independence Hall.
As president, Clinton backed its establishment and spoke at its groundbreaking. Bush last year gave the museum his World War II service revolver.
The two former presidents received the institution’s Liberty Medal in 2006 for their efforts to help victims of Hurricane Katrina and the tsunami that struck in southeast Asia.
Jennie: I think Spike Lee said it best-Obama is the man of the hip-hop generation. Which for me means, it has a pretty good beat, but you don’t understand what it means and the things you do understand you don’t really like.
side note to lillianjane…
you corrected my typo – what a gem!
..seems Obama’s biracial identity has been lost. The implicit message was that of transcending race altogether (as I understood it). With all the race cards dealt he undermined his message (imho). Really, I think the whole thing was disingenuous from the start.
DisenfranchisedVoter said (re: “The American President”)
“Also one of my favorite movies. I think many of the Obots project their fantasy of the perfect president in The American President or West Wing onto Obama.”
That would be fantasy indeed. I see Bill Clinton all the way, no?
-MS
WMCB, on September 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm Said:
Opportunity has been lost due to inaction. He could have made a difference.
Add that to the long list of things I will never forgive Obama for. He robbed me, and he robbed this country, of a chance to vote for my first AA president with JOY
I feel that way, too. If anyone had told me that I just don’t think I can vote for the first African American candidate and a Democrat, I’d have said that’s crazy.
SweetSue,
I’m in agreement with your feelings. Know when these guys lost me: it’s when they started ripping the Clintons. I mean, how wrong could I have been, feeling that the years of the Clinton administration were among the best of my life?
Then, when the Obot campaign (and their stupid supporters) trotted out the allegations of r@cism on the parts of the Clintons – well, then I knew with whom I was dealing!
-MS
Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn’t a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey.
LOL! Oh, this just getting funnier and funnier. The meltdown is accelerating, and the panic, palpable.
And the quote from Obama (via Arabella) on Fox that the MEDIA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PALIN’S POPULARITY?! OMG, stop–please, I can’t stop laughing at that one. Wow…poor Bambi isn’t the most popular kid on the playground anymore!
Gary – Thanks for this great article!
Didn’t we know this was coming when Palin threw down the gauntlet at the Convention? One of the reasons the Village hated the Clintons so much was because they treated the press with disdain. I felt sure that Sarah was going to reap the whirlwind for daring to tell the media how much they suck.
That Cheeto diary was truly sick and disturbing. They have become the brownshirts of the blogosphere. And the worst part is, there was no point to it. They’re going to fail miserably in their stated mission. They have whipped themselves into foaming frenzy and have accomplished jacksh&t. Meanwhile, we PUMAs are just a few months old and have already changed the entire Presidential race, not on the Democratic side, but on the Republican side.
PUMA POWER!!!!
I was raised in a fundie church, and I still speak the lingo.
If I was going to reach out to fundie voters, I wouldn’t pretend I was one of them, or think that showing up in a church gave me automatic credibility. I wouldn’t treat them like they are stupid either (they’re not, and many of them have BA & higher degrees)
I would use the words of Jesus, and talk how He healed the sick, and most especially His parable of the Good Samaritan to argue that He would be in favor of UHC.
There are specific Bible verses that seem dispositive on issues like prayer in school, the death penalty, taxes, etc.
I wouldn’t preach at them, I would engage them in debate.
If you claim to be one of them, you open yourself to inspection and verification, and they don’t like liars and phonies (who does?) I would convey that I respect them and their beliefs, even though I don’t share them.
I would make sure they understood their voices would be heard in my administration, and not just paid lip service. But I would also make sure they understood that their voices wouldn’t be the only ones I listened to.
I was there from the beginning, I was an Obot in March of last year, became disenfranchised from the campaign in August and by November was a rabid Hillary supporter. Seeing what was going on first hand was amazing. Like WMCB, I wanted to vote for the first AA president. I have bi-racial grandchildren and wanted them to see that they could be anything they wanted to be.
I am in SC and the minute the r@cism gauntlet was thrown, and Oprah’s appearance, I knew my worst fears were coming to fruition.
Myiq: I grew up around pentecostals and they are very suspicious types.
Bobby Kennedy stood up in front of a bunch of college students and told them he opposed college deferments from the draft. That was not exactly a popular view during the Vietnam war, and some of them started to boo him.
But he explained that college deferments meant that the poor, especially minorities, bore the burden of fighting the war while the rich kids went to college. When he was done speaking, the ones who had booed him were ashamed.
That’s leadership
I remember that, I always thought Kennedy knew that when the children of the upper echelon had to go to war, the war would end quickly.
myiq2xu,
BO is no Bobby Kennedy.
Kim:
Sure they are, can you blame them?
Bill and Hillary go into their churches, listen to the sermons, talk to the people, and don’t duck or dodge questions. They don’t pretend they are better or smarter.
Most importantly, as Sarah Palin noted about Obama, the Clintons don’t say one thing to their faces and another behind their backs
birdgal:
He’s more like Jamie Kennedy
PJ–anytime. I am an editor so it is automatic.
Just a hint of things to come IMO. We will hear from the MSM how terrible and devastating it is that this election is about “personality and cultural issues.” How there are such important and transcendent issues like the economy, the wars, terrorism, and a host of others.
These are BZero talking points while he and his campaign trashes Palin and all that he claims she represents.
What the MSM won’t admit is that BZero is the one who has placed the cultural issues at the forefront of this campaign. He and his guilt peddlers have made a strategic error of the first magnitude of trying to tie this election to a cult of personality. We are seeing the beginning of a backlash now — when it comes down to a choice between a former community organizer versus a war hero, the choice is self-evident.
BZero has to live with the couching of himself during the primary as a personality — it will haunt him all the way to his defeat. Hillary had it right and thought beyond the primary — he would have been well-served to follow her lead.
WMC,
I have read many of your posts and I really appreciate them.
Last night’s newscasters made mention of Obama’s scurrilous attacks on Palin as calling her on nuance rather than playing their worn out race card or taking her on with substantive issues.
Then again Fox had a different impression:
http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/
myiq2xu, I had to look up Jamie Kennedy, but the description fits:
“an unorthodox success in the way of creating a false persona, screen agent “Marty Power” (a fictitious person). ”
and another:
“He formed a production company called Wannabe Producers ” ROFL
Describes BZero.
He lost me at : “I’ve found throughout my short life that few white people fully understand the extent to which all black people even, brilliant, successful and beautiful black people like the Obamas, are still subject to racism.”
This self described “short life” seems to have neglected most of his
education if he believes that the privileged Obamas represent minorities. For his enlightenment, I would first remind him that there is a very good blog
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com
he needs to visit that gives a much different perspective of Obama.
Second, perhaps he should preview what is happening to American citizens who just happen to resemble Mexican citizens in a world where being Hispanic is equated to being “illegal”. And then, just to separate the “beautiful Obamas” from the rest of African Americans who live in real America he should read or contact Soldier4Hillary who has a totally different take on being black.
Having spent my youth and formed my friendships among the heterogeneous population of our country I see personalities rather than race; which tells me that the person who wrote this has had little diversity in his “short life” and has been as sheltered as Obama has been if he thinks he can judge all of us as racist because he supports Obama’s candidacy for president.
Thanks, PJ. I intend to keep screaming reason, as do we all.
We need to help handle this also. The Dems are going to try and hurt Lieberman for coming out for McCain as the better Presidential Choice.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/liebermans-senate-post-could-be-in-jeopardy-after-election/
UGGHH!!! Hillary vowed to scrap No Child Left Behind, Obama wants to expand it!!
NCLB is the worst thing to ever happen to education in this country. Why on earth would you want to expand it?????
Someone commented in the last thread:
Picking Palin was McCain’s big fatal mistake. Just ask Jeralyn
I’ve seen Democrats do this constantly, over the years, and it makes me want to scream. They can never make the shift They have no clue in a general election.
They sit around reinforcing one another, and it never crosses their mind ONCE that they are not the only people in the country.
So the refrain goes: “She shops at Wal-mart, and none of my friends or I do, so she’s crap. I saw that clip of her praying, and I think it’s weird, therefore it is weird, and America will agree with me. I have taken a good hard look at her, and she is sooooo laughable and terrible, therefore the same thing is patently evident to every voter in this country.”
So they attack in the WRONG areas, in an effort to make fun of the things they and other liberals personally find so reprehensible. And are always astounded when it backfires.
Fauxgressives have this problem all the time – they miscalculate because they cannot step outside their own heads and see a candidate (theirs or the other team’s) the way a majority of the country WILL see them. They cannot do it. They just don’t seem capable of it. This is why their attempts to negatively define Republicans fail, because they do not know the people TO WHOM they are doing the defining.
Dems lose not because they disagree with Joe Sixpack (which is fine), but because they have a continual failure to comprehend how Joe Sixpack thinks.
NCLB is Ted Kennedy’s baby:
/www.tedkennedy.com/journal/1480/kennedy-on-no-child-left-behind-reauthorization
“Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn’t a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey”
jeez, with enemies like this, who needs friends?
I’m not crazy about Palin’s politics, but she certainly comes across as being superior to the vast majority of the “journalists” out there.
OMG – a photo is coming out with Obama’s thugs in Alaska in July with someone with authority in deciding TrooperGate
Ted Kennedy doesn’t know the first thing about education. NCLB is what made me quit being a public school teacher. I also believe it is why this newest crop of voters is so fucking stupid. /rant
plural, methinks Obama owes Teddy. Teddy can’t stand to have his legacy tarnished by that failure of a program, so we are going to declare it a non-failure and make it all pretty and shiny for Teddy to put in his trophy case.
So, did Time reference these Palin appearances on CSPAN? Didn’t think so. This woman is truly formidable and may well eat Biden’s lunch:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/palin_on_cspan.php
Carol??? what photo?
Carol – I respectfully disagree. Why should we defend Joe Lieberman? What has he ever done to earn such a gift?
I think Palin will make Biden look the fool in the VP debate (shouldn’t be hard).
Just looking at them: Palin comes across as very
straight-forward, confident, healthy, vital, strong.
Biden looks–well, frankly– rather like a drunk.
I (too young to watch) read one of the main reasons Kennedy beat Nixon in the debates was because Nixon sweated profusely.
Just on a visceral level: Biden is rather repugnant, and Palin seems rather likeable.
Analysis: Palin Smears Intensify
Excerpt: Hillary may have the last laugh as the Republicans, with Palin leading the charge, are stealing the women vote – a bloc Hillary solidly owned and one she could have brought home to the Democratic Party on Election Day http://countusout.wordpress.com/
No Child Left Behind is aptly named since it isn’t “a child” left behind it is all children are left behind. It is a system where the minimum requirements soon become the maximum being taught in too many classrooms.
It is the systematic dumbing down of educational attainment.
Again, Hillary got it right.
WMCB: In this instance, they cannot see anything. The loyalty to BO is so overwhelming, that they cannot even see that he is for almost everything that Democrats are against. This can only mean to me (IMO) that they are either very young and have no clue the norms that Democrats stand for or are elitists who consider themselves Dems, because it is cooler, and they can afford to step outside the norm.
He does owe Teddy. Ted’s endorsement was a huge help in the primaries.
The media whining about Palin is reminiscent of the high school cafeteria when the kool girl wouldn’t talk to the nerds.
I don’t know about the photo, they just announced it on TV that it is coming.
I haven’t kept up with Lieberman. I don’t know what he did to make everyone mad. Someone point me in the right direction.
I like that he crossed the line and supports McCain.
Kat, I’m watching these videos, as well as reading more. She is good. She’s knowledgeable, and above all practical and to the point. This is no knee-jerk talking point anti-government Republican. She has very clear ideas of what government is supposed to do, and is adamant on that, not just on what it shouldn’t do in her opinion.
I disagree with some stuff, but she makes a good practical case for her views. This is not the usual “big government is teh bad” drooler. She’s going to be good in debates. She is also HUGE on transparent government, and people are going to like that.
Prolix, it is also driving qualified teachers, such as myself, away from the profession in droves, further complicating the matter.
Gary, excellence abhors being hamstrung to mediocrity and that is what NCLB is doing to teachers like you. The one place where it ought to be evident what it has done to the classroom and to teachers is Texas and it is an abysmal failure there.
Carol, on September 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm Said:
Fox News:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accepted an invitation to meet with Archbishop of San Francisco George Niederauer. The archbishop requested the meeting to discuss whether Pelosi, an abortion rights supporter, should take Communion.
I guess that bad Palin and the Roe vs. Wade issue is off the table.
Lieberman continues to be wrong on everything from war to opposing morning after pills for rape victims.
Ras:
Ohio
McCain 51%
Obama 44%
Go Ted! Keep telling everyone how much you don’t like BO!
JReed
I ain’t voting against my interest. Partial birth, the Dems doing nothing when SC ruled that BC pills were not required to be carried on formularies, these things were done with complicit Dems.
From where I am sitting BOTH parties suck on women’s issues. I might as well vote for the party who didn’t subvert democracy during its primaries. I can live with Palin.
jreed,
Beware Obamabots scorned. They will feel the urgent need to arrogantly come tell a bunch of grown intelligent women what their interests are, every time.
Sheesh.
McCain & Sarah on.
Carol, my personal reasons for not liking Lieberman much include his hawkish stance on war, where the Middle East is concerned. I consider myself “pro-Israel” to a point, but I think this administration goes too far in making Israel the focus of our international policy. It seems that some compromise is a good idea.
Even when Lieberman campaigned with Gore and I went to a rally to see him (as I always, before ‘08, supported the Democratic nominee), I was uncomfortable with his constant talking about God. I know that we were trying to explain that Democrats weren’t all godless commies, but Lieberman seemed not to get that; he sounded more like W talking about God’s place in government.
I was also uncomfortable with Hillary’s support of W’s war stance, so I don’t condemn Lieberman for this–that would be hypocritical. But I see him as too much in the Republican camp overall, and the convention speech, well, eesh.
She is brilliant!
The FIRST paragraph in Dick Polman’s article in the Philly Inquirer, “Let us swing the door ajar and invite the elephant into the room. One big reason Barack Obama is locked in a tight race, rather than easily outdistancing his opponent, is because he is black.”
No it’s because Obama is the inexperienced, ill-prepared, “flavor of the day” the dems are serving up. Face it Dick. If Obama were white – he wouldn’t even BE in the race.
I like her, but ever since one of you guys compared her accent to Marge Gunderson, I hear the accent so pronounced that I start to laugh.
Wow – Palin is awesome. She and McCain have great chemistry together. They really relate to the crowd.
I saw that many have already noted the sad state of affairs at TL. I ventured over there today. I cannot believe that Jeralyn would begin to cite a PAC Poll stating that their polling reflects nearly all Catholic voters that supported Hillary Clinton now intend to vote for Barack Obama. I was raised catholic, most of my family is catholic and remains active in the church and its ministries. This PAC Poll misses the mark completely. Why push something so unrealistic? Who is she trying to fool?
I don’t understand these Obots. Do they really think they can convert us by citing polls? As my mother used to say “if all your friends jumped off a cliff would you jump off a cliff too?” Back then the answer was no, and guess what? The answer is still no.
what channel are they on?
CNN.com
They were on CNN, but CNN cut away.
Cnn.com for McCain-Palin PA rally!!!!!The crowd love her & she was amazing!
John McCain’s post-convention bounce owes in part to the increase in support he has drawn among independents and even some Democrats, according to a Gallup analysis of its polling for Aug. 29-31 and Sept. 5-7. His backing from independents rose from 40 percent to 52 percent and among Democrats from 9 percent to 14 percent.
Colorado: Obama 49, McCain 46.
Florida: Obama 48, McCain 48.
Ohio: McCain 51, Obama 44.
Pennsylvania: Obama 47, McCain 45.
Virginia: McCain 49, Obama 47.
McCain Catches Obama in Washington Post/ABC News Poll
I’m in A swing state guess who called this week Palin, guess whose in the State again this week McCain Palin……
Guess whose Gov has gone silent ours…..
and dose anyone recall I can’t locate , in the run up to the PA election how many points was Hillary polling ahead of Obama?
http://www.cnn.com
Gary,
I should have been more clear. I was talking about Gen X because they followed my generation. I’m kind of clueless about the Millenials. They are the biggest contingent at Daily Cheeto these days, I think. They are supposedly going to be a bigger generation than the baby boomers.
Check this out from CNN:
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey out Tuesday indicates that 62 percent of men questioned have a favorable opinion of the Alaska governor, nine points higher than women.
In the poll, conducted Friday through Sunday, entirely after the end of the Republican convention, 23 percent of men have an unfavorable view of Sen. John McCain’s running mate, seven points lower than women.
The gender gap is also apparent when it comes to whether Palin is qualified to serve as president. Fifty-seven percent of male respondents said Palin was qualified, 14 points higher than women. A majority of women polled, 55 percent, said Palin is not qualified.
The male response is interesting – the female response is even more interesting.
That PA crowd is PUMPED on CNN.
Okay, gotta run play taxi for kiddos…
Heh……..whaddya know Virginia is going towards McCain. Color me shocked. NOT. I have always predicted we’d go red and I felt particularly this way when Obama chose to split the base by snubbing Hillary.
BB,
I thought the web (e.g. Cheetoville) was full of 30-50 white men. That is Gen X, not millenial. That explains their libertarian bent.
Carol, on September 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm Said:
OMG – a photo is coming out with Obama’s thugs in Alaska in July with someone with authority in deciding TrooperGate
———————————————-
What’s up with this photo?
If I did this correctly following is a link to video of Hillary’s stop at Obama headquarters in Lakeland, Florida.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1569844333/bclid1425858110/bctid1782590237
I miss her.
All I can say is – she is a better person than I am.
I bothers me that these churches are going to pressure our elected officials with personal religious consequences. These people are elected to serve all the people not just pro-choice and anti-choice. I detest Pelosi, but do you see the danger here.
I means or anti-choice. The consquences are wide.If a person holds a faith that is anti-choice they cannot by definition be Democrat or will suffer consequences to their church. Bad
OT(but important): Melissa McEwen over at Shakesville just mentioned in comments that all her “progressive” ad-buyers have stopped putting ads on her blog since she started a Palin Sexism Watch.
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch-12.html#comment-2249051
If you appreciate the work she’s been doing throughout the campaign in documenting the Hillary Sexism Watch and now the Palin Sexism watch, please consider donating to her blog. Shakesville is one of the few true feminist sites around who defend all women from sexism, regardless of their political stance.
or if you want to be a Democrat you must choose between your faith and the people you represent. This is a new and bad tactic.
NH I agree
I’m sure Miss Manners will speak vehemently on the subject though (rolling eyes).
NH the church pulling this stunt is attempting to bully people on the subject. Only people who are doormats would tolerate the behavior they are dishing out.
Oh wait……..;the Democrats specialize in being doormats as of late.
If you want to see something totally adorable go to: theledger.com and click on the Hillary article. There is a picture of a little girl who has Hillary in a double leg hug. Its too cute to miss.
WMCB, I think the moment I started being angry at Obama for ripping ME off was … to be honest, when he declared. This year. The strategy of getting Hillary in the WH for two terms, thus giving him plenty of time to mature and get some good work under his belt before he took the baton was so obvious to me that I figured it would of course be the thing for the Dems to do.
When he declared this race, clearly before he had any experience, and in a race where he could damage an extremely valuable Democratic property in Clinton … I was instantly suspicious. It was so clearly a bad move for the party, and a self-serving move to boot. It also smacked of an opinion in his mind that he felt his chances would never be better to get in early because he was just shoving some old lady aside. Like an asshole who wants to cut in line but waits until the person on crutches is at the head of the line before shoving in — he saw her as weak because she’s a 60-year old woman that “nobody likes.”
His impatience spoke volumes to me — he wasn’t putting his party first, first of all. He was willing to damage a good property in his party for his own ambition. He was also not willing to “wait his turn” as a rank newbie who hadn’t actually done anything. He’s under 50, for gawdzsake! No, you don’t have to wait your turn because you’re BLACK, you dipshit — you have ot wait your turn because YOU’RE YOUNG. So SIT BACK AND RIPEN A BIT.
The minute he declared this year, when it was so transparently obvious that the best thing to do would be to wait for eight more years, my shitmeter started intermittently beeping. Of course, as I once observed on this board, you’re always called crazy if you’re right too soon, so I kept my mouth SHET GUD.
And as time went on, everything I saw just told me how right I was. He WAS impatient, he WAS jumping the line because Hilary was just some postmenopausal old bitch who could be trampled.
And to be honest … a lot of the people (okay, a lot of the women) I saw going for him liek gangbusters were the ones who’d always rubbed my raw nerves anyway, among my casual social circle. Women who dislike and distrust other women. Women who cut down other women. Women for whom their feminism never went past their sex toy collection. Women who want to be The Hot Chick Among The Boys. Women who hate their mommies. Women who have never gotten along with the mother of a single BF or husband. Women who were on the husband-hunt adn were talking up absolute losers like they were Albert Schweitzer or something. And when I told them that Obama’s mixed heritage was part of his appeal, they were so skeptical … right before saying, “But he’s BLACK!” to me as if that was supposed to be persuasive. *sigh*
The whole thing is just depressing. What a fucked-up year. And IT ALL comes down to the DNC wanting to destroy the Clintons, and the Moneymen sucking the Republican party nearly dead, and then casting around looking for a new host organism. A lot of liberals, myself included, celebrated when George Soros said he would do everything he could to defeat W. We finally thought that, for once, we had a Zillionaire on uor side instead of seeing them all on the other side. Well, zillionaires are never on ANYONE’S SIDE BUT THEIR OWN.
That IS cute. She looks like she’s trying to give Hill a piggyback ride.
I haven’t spent much time at Shakesville, but I think she should let us know who these advertisers are so we can stop buying whatever their selling.
Breaking News on Joe Biden
Biden: Palin Would Be ‘Backward Step for Women’
Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) says that if Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) becomes the first female vice president it will be a “backward step for women.”
UPDATE: Republican National Committee spokeswoman Amber Wilkerson has a response:
“The only person taking a step backward is Joe Biden, whose appalling and arrogant statements are better suited for the back rooms of his old boys club. Sarah Palin’s nomination as the Republican vice presidential nominee is an historic opportunity to break the highest glass ceiling. While John McCain and Sarah Palin continue to press their message of change, Joe Biden should stop these sorts of old-style attacks.”
Now that is the way to hit back!!
The Obama-Biden good old boy team is beat!
McCain-Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12
I should also say that I never envisioned McCain picking a woman VP candidate, either — because I figured that was also “so obvious” that he wouldn’t do it. So shows you what I know.
That picture is so cute.
Joe Biden can kiss my ENTIRE ass.
Two words for Joe Biden – ANITA HILL.
Two more words for Joe Biden – BITE ME.
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NH, on September 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm Said:
I means or anti-choice. The consquences are wide.If a person holds a faith that is anti-choice they cannot by definition be Democrat or will suffer consequences to their church. Bad”
I don’t know the answer but how can some one who believes that abortion is a sin, defend the right to abortion? The oddest case of that situation is Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL. Ms. Keenan is a devout Roman Catholic who has said in the past that abortion is a mortal sin. Maybe that is why NARAL has become so screwed up.
HAHA
Exhibit A on why Biden can’t effectively combat Biden. Obama is stuck in a corner. The one person who could have effectively counter her, he passed over in favor of Biden.
The GOP must be laughing their behinds off at his ineptness.
Boy do I know a lot of those, I just could never really pin down why I found it impossible to hang out with them.
SHV, I agree except most people I have known don’t always agree with every single position of their church.
This must be the dirty politics that Obama plans to push that Palin, because she is anto-choice, is evil. I sure hope people don’t fall for this crap.
SHV
I don’t do communion any longer. I decided long ago that if I had to choose between dogma and having my own personal convictions, I’ll choose my own personal convictions.
God doesn’t require me to rubber stamp any church’s personal opinion.
They really are putting feminism on the line. Really, they are going to make this about a woman in the VP spot. I am beginning to detest Democrats, male and female.
And where are the progressive women in the D party. Why are they letting this crap go on.
Dee, that’s when BO lost me as well. I thought to myself, “Wow, he has some audacity to run now!”
And he continued to lost me the rest of the primary season.
NH even as I am repulsed by the church setting up a meeting, it does nada to get me in Obama’s corner.
I don’t agree with Sarah but as far as I can see she hasn’t forced anyone on their personal convictions.
Oops, sorry for the typo – I meant “lose” me.
Samckdown on Joe – GOOD! Yes, you old gasbag, a woman in the VP slot is historic and positive on some fronts, and you COULD have acknowledged that and still pointed out disagreements.
See Clinton, Hillary for how it is done with grace and class.
Thanks a lot, Charles. I love the way you interpret and dissect polls on your site. I’m getting a bit addicted.
Many of the feminists in the party are now PUMA. The other group is practicing false outrage because Palin has the audacity not to agree with them on the issue of abortion.
Dee thanks to the video. It makes me sad and proud at the same time.
charles – thanks for the post card. Good news indeed. I am in N.C. also and will gladly escort the Obama crowd to our northern border.
Oh no CWaltz, nothing would put me in Obama’s corner. Even if McCain came out drolling from his mouth.
Oh yeah, I’m sure Anita Hill would be happy to vouch for Biden’s good sense of what might be a setback for women.
This election cycle will be studied for years to come. This was the Dem year, no problem, we were supposed to just waltz in and from looking at the numbers, it is possible that McCain will not only win, but win by an embarrassing landslide.
Where’s Michelle these days?
The part that pisses me off is they are creating the false narrative in the media that this is about a “culture war.” Uh no this is about a Democratic candidate that divided his base and failed to untite them following the primary. It has little to do with religion. Heck, in my opinion the two parties have both been nauseating in regards to showing their faith.
Arabella
I’d bet tending to those children of hers. She made a big to do about 2 kids being alot of work.
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NH, on September 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm Said:
SHV, I agree except most people I have known don’t always agree with every single position of their church.”
True..but Roman Catholicism and anti-abortion is one of the big positions.
I am very pro-choice and have no religion but I feel that if a person belongs to a religious faith they adhere to the doctrines and if they disagree, find a different religion. For a public official who is Roman Catholic, supports abortion and then “cries foul” when the church calls them on it…well it’s pure crap..they need to make a choice.
I went to the site where they are selling the Palin dolls. The funny thing is they were selling the dolls with other heads, they just added a head with glasses and funny hair and they were off. They also sell male dolls that are well-endowed, so I guess some people buy them and play with them together. I really am too old for some of this stuff.
Great article on how the media (and the blogs) is killing Obama’s campaign.
I have one piece of advice for the struggling Obama campaign:
Fire MSNBC. They’re killing your campaign.
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It’s hard to make charges about Palin’s tax policy as a mayor stick when cable talk show kooks are screaming about rumors she killed and ate an Inuit as part of a radical Pentecostal religious ceremony.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1117752
People are going to run from Obama and all his ugliness and nastiness. We must be virgilant but gosh I will be so happy when he is out of the national spotlight.
I should have added that when people try to play it both ways; you end up with a Nancy Keenan or Nancy Pelosi.
RealKim, part of the reason I can’t hang out with them is that they generally want to knife me. My own exterior is a bit of a tinderbox for women like that, which is part of why I like teh intartoobz. Here, I’m just words. It’s not fun to have even your “friends” occasionally “forget” to invite you to things and spill stuff on you at parties “accidentally.”
I never did get how to deal with it. I just walk off. Otherwise, it’s a catfight, and I just do not do catfights.
My opinion on Palin’s abortion position is no secret: I am as pro-choice as they come. I despise the merest concept of being pregnant. And nothing but nothing will make choice MORE secure than scaring the Democrats so badly that they lose bowel control the minute a woman voter twitches an eyelash.
Can you BELIEVE this crap?!?!?
http://retardedbaby.com/2008/09/04/mommy-was-a-bad-sports-woman/#comment-11
“It’s hard to make charges about Palin’s tax policy as a mayor stick when cable talk show kooks are screaming about rumors she killed and ate an Inuit as part of a radical Pentecostal religious ceremony.”
OK..I’ll be the fish and bite…did anyone suggest that or is it hyperbole about the insanity of MSNBC? The fact that I am even asking the question, I guess, indicates how screwed up things have gotten.
Comment on Swampland (Time) on a post about McCain picking up women voters:
If McCain wins it’ll be the fault of a bunch of tubby racists with bad hair and Wal-Mart mumus.
SHV, if you read the article, it is obviously hyperbole.
In other news, I got my usual money begging letter from Dean. My reply was a little exuberant:
I have only this to say:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
How are all those Clinton donors you were counting on working out for ya, Howie?
Have ya seen the swing in women in the polls?
Didn’t need us, did ya?
BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!
Wow, I go camping for a week, and come back to lots of new posters here. It’s great!
Not so great for me is that my cat Ed died this morning. She was nearly 20, but it’s still painful and I’m spending time with a greving hubby.
I only want to add that I saw glimpses of 2 newspapers this week. Lexington Herald still luvs Obama big time, and both it & the local paper I saw featured numerous articles, letters, opinions on how Palin is an insult to women.
Also saw AP analysis by Ron Fournier [who's been anit-Hillary, pro Obama all year, like nearly all at AP] and boy, is he having a hissy fit. He’s especially ticked that McCain is speaking out on the sexism in the media toward Sarah. Get this, Ron says it’s the job of the media to vet Palin, just like they had to …..yep….vet the Precious.
Obarky on TV saying the polls have nothing to do with gender. Nothing.
LMAO!
parentofed – My condolences. It is so hard to lose a pet.
“WMCB, on September 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pm Said:
SHV, if you read the article, it is obviously hyperbole.”
I did read the article but after Alan Colmes’s comments about Sarah Palin’s peri-natal care….well who knows, the MSM is capable of anything.
I got an email from Senator Claire McCatkill today in support of Kay Hagan against Senator Dole. Kay endorsed Obama early so no vote from me. Probably will leave it blank.
Anyway, I requested no more emails from the NC Dems as I am on a tripe free diet.
POE — sorry to hear about your kitty. they ARE family.
charles–
thanks for the good news, although I would guess that that is closer to how it has really been all along. I think a lot of pollsters are giving up the ghost when it comes toshilling for BO.
someone said about shakesville “please consider donating to her blog.”–pardon my ignorance, but I’ve never understood why blogs need donations–or ad revenue for that matter. WordPress is free as far as I know. Unless she is doing it for a living, in which case I don’t know if I want to pay her salary. just sayin….
destardi – that really is sick
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PofE, first, so sorry about Ed. Second, I’ve missed seeing you around. Glad you are back, but sorry about your news.
Obarky on TV saying the polls have nothing to do with gender. Nothing
Does he pay his pollsters to track women voters? If so, he’s wasting money because polls have nothing to do with gender.
What an idiot.
Oh, parentofed, I’m so sorry. I lost my almost eighteen year old cat two years ago and, maybe I’m lucky, but it was one of the worst experiences. I loved her so much.
I cried every day for months. There is nothing to do but go through it and come out the other side.
Only now, after adopting two shelter cats and living with them for a year, am I myself again.
But they’ll never be another Lulu. Sometimes you find an animal who’s just the animal love of your life.
Sending good thoughts to you and your husband.
parentofed, I am so sorry.
parentofed, I’m sorry to hear about your kitty.
I had two, I now have one — they are wonderful little souls.
It’s lovely that he had a nice, full lifetime with someone who loved him.
parent, so sorry about your kitty. My furbabies are family, and I know how it hurts.
janis,
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Nevertheless, parentofed, my sympathies, cats really are people on four legs!
-MS
Charles: I’m sure you know southeast Ohio is basically a bunch of Ky hillbilly relatives. They were royally ticked off at the name-calling of KY. Question is: why didn’t the Obama campaign realize the close ties so many OH voters have to KY voters? We make fun of each other, but huge numbers of my Ky relatives moved to OH RR & factories after both mining mechanization & tobacco price drops a few decades back.
Witness Harriet Arnow’s The Dollmaker.
I’ve also noticed McCain has visited SE Ohio multiple times.
FYI, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are having a fundraiser “in honor of” HRC on Sept. 17th.
Mac and Palin visited Lancaster PA today — it was Palindamonium! 6500 tickets went like wildfire
Wow. It’s looking like my Virginia vote just might matter this year. Yikes. I’ve never been in that position before. The last Democratic candidate that Virginia went for was Johnson.
Thanks, all. Ed was a she, short for Edwina. A stray we plucked off a major highway, but she thought she was the Queen of Sheba. She only loved the Kid, liked the hubby, tolerated me as a servant.
I’ve also noticed McCain has visited SE Ohio multiple times.
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Well, it’s the Tri-State area. You get the Ohio, Penn and WV markets all at once. You know that McCain is going for all of the bitter voters in these three states.
parentofed, my condolences on your loss. It hurts to lose a furry friend.
dcattorney: oh, crikey. They surely do not think we are dumb enough to get sucked in by some more symbolic “honor” after kicking Hill to the knees, over & over. That just rubs me raw.
stateofdisbelief, on September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm Said:
Mac and Palin visited Lancaster PA today — it was Palindamonium! 6500 tickets went like wildfire
It’s weird isn’t it? It’s like McCain and Obama have switched places. McCain and Palin are getting the huge, enthusiastic crowds.
Shows what can happen when you respect your base.
Charles, I hope the polls in NC hold up, that way I won’t have to volunteer for McCain. I never really thought Obama could win NC anyway. I think the media and the Dems cooked up this fantasy that Obama had a shot at states like Georgia and NC, or even Virginia for that matter. I’m back to my original feeling about him, that he will lose in a Mondale way.
I put up a new thread, this one is old
Dee, on September 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pm Said:
destardi – that really is sick
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Absolutely. I know there are deranged people out there…but for someone to actually sit down and spend so much time on such a hurtful website, is really depressing.
“… he will lose in a Mondale way.”
Mawm, that’s what my husband said ages ago. I hope he and you are right.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny–campaign-racialpo0909sep09,0,6866485.story
..and the race card is played!
I’m thinking he’s going to lose in a McGovern way..
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Watching MSNBC, they are in their making a mountain out of a molehill harp after their 30 lawyer comb of Alasksa.
“oh my!!!!! 43,000.00 for travel???!!!!! – she never went overseas!!!” they sound so stupid since travel is, mileage, taxis, hotels, rentals, etc….Alaska is a big state Tweety! and the expenses were all approved under state regulations.
Note to MSNBC — if you go looking for dirt and all you find is belly button lint, let it there
I have a NEWSFLASH for “Texasmango”…
Obama is BI-racial. He isn’t EXCLUSIVELY black. He isn’t EXCLUSIVELY white. Geesh…
Mawm: Obama has a slight lead in Virginia right now. And there is a tie in Florida.
If he pulls off Virginia, he will win
S, he’s gonna tank so bad in VA and PA … even CA might go red this year.
I’m unwilling to be optimistic (this election cycle’s taught me that in no uncertain terms), but I think we can just keep pushing, not let ourselves get worried, and shove this sumbitch off the cliff on the 4th. No proclamations of victory OR doom.
Janis: Amen
Kinsley’s problem with Palin is the same as Peggy Noonan’s. Like Carter and Clinton before her, Palin’s an interloper from the boonies. The Village does not feel they should have to suffer these people in positions of privilege in their community unless and until the Village has had the opportunity to vet, approve, and assimilate them first.
Kinsley’s too intellectually honest to buy into the stupider bits of GOP claptrap, but, make no mistake, he is very hostile to the notion of privileges being for any but the privileged. He wrote an incredibly obnoxious column a few weeks back that attacked streamlining affirmative action so it only helped people from lower economic classes. I shredded him and the column on my blog; those who are interested can read it by clicking here.
Nice piece, Pol C.
Obama: ‘Lipstick on a pig’
Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:
Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin’s new “change” mantra.
“You can put lipstick on a pig,” he said as the crowd cheered. “It’s still a pig.”
“You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”
“We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”
The crowd apparently took the “lipstick” line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: “lipstic
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I’m afraid this is one that will backfire. By the way, where is Biden hiding?
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EESH! im
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Well, that’s a bit nasty.
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Yes, Obama used to be careful with the words he spoke. That was part of his appeal. Apparently not anymore.
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The dems message today has revolved around lipstick…. Obama is one lost puppy right now
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I wonder who will be laughing after the election?
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I’m sure women all over America will appreciate the reference to old fish.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html?showall
fred at 7:10
damn, Obama is one nasty piece of work.
Where do you read he is winning in Va? The poll above says the opposite. he’s losing by 2.
Oops. When you’re giving someone a compliment, you should get their name right. WMCB.
Sorry about that.
I just read something that really upsets me. Apparently when Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, she allowed her town to charge rape victims for the price of their rape kit! I can’t believe that might be true? But it is being mentioned on the news now.
DD, just another smear from the hypocritical obamabots. The story comes from a 2000 story int the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman about wasilla police chief opposing charging insurance companies for the rape kits because it was a burden on the town…it was him not Palin, although she was mayor, she didn’t even get mentioned in the story. here is what it says
you’ll notice that Fannon’s point was not that the victims should pay for the kits, but rather the offenders. Whether you agree with him or not, this story has nothing to do with Palin. Just more Rovian lies by the likes of Kos, TPM, and the rest of their ilk.
umm, i hate to tell you, but the author of that piece is white. in my long black life, no black person would ever write such a piece, and if they do there is something terribly wrong with them. it’s just a piece to scare the whites, lol.
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I also had a couple issues with the article.
#1 Oil tax profits: Alaska owns the oil here and these taxes are the same as royalties paid to land owners in many other states.
#2 Colony status: Alaska is still treated like a colony. The Federal government own 60% of our land, and is profiting off that money
#3 tax contributions Vs Receipts. I would like to see some details on this. Are theses people accounting for the income tax paid in other states by workers who come to Alaska for work? What about the money west coast refineries make off of Alaskan oil? What about oil revenue
from federal land?
Race has nothing to do with the fact I do not want government health care, more welfare, and more anti-gun rights laws.
” I wasn’t aware, for example, that the Alaskan government even had the authority to “tax the rest of us” (/snark).”
What he was saying is that because Alaska is not giving our oil away free, and most of it is sold to the lower 49 states, we are taxing them.
I guess if we gave it to the oil companies for free, they would pass that savings on? Someone didn’t do so well in economics class!
Also, regarding the PFD, it was initially seeded with oil revenue, but since that initial investment almost 30 years ago, the fund is entirely dependent on the stock market in which it is invested.
I’m an African-American gen X woman who grew up in a mid sized town with no big city for miles. A college town and state capital. Sarah Palin and her “life story” are much closer to my own life than anything about Obama.
I was going to vote Nadar, now I’m voting McCain & Palin.
Apparently anyone outside of the left coasts or big cities or big states, or the Ivy League is just an “average” nobody not suited for any kind of gov. position of importance. Apparently she’s not a good feminist too.
There is a huge divide in this country. Actually, David Brooks wrote about it a year or so ago, that the big divide will not be Red State Blue State but “Cosmopolitains” versus “Nationalists” (which had a less then flattering title).