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Why would a Hillary supporter endorse McCain?

From Newsweek via the comments:

John Coale, a prominent Washington lawyer, husband of Fox TV host Greta Van Susteren and a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, announced today that he was supporting John McCain for president. Coale, who traveled with Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and her family through out the primary season, complained of sexism, and said the Democratic Party is “being taken over by the moveon.org types” in an exclusive interview with Newsweek.com’s Tammy Haddad.

I can’t embed the video but here’s the link.

I promised myself after Kerry dumped Ohio in 2004 that I wasn’t going to hold my nose for a vote again. And as hard as Obama supporters are trying they still haven’t convinced me to vote for McCain (voting for him would make my nose bleed). But, I’m very interested in hearing how one Hillary supporter made the switch.

And I had no idea that Greta’s husband was so involved in Hillary’s campaign.

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  1. Yesterday someone linked to Greta’s blog about “are PUMAs real?” so I went and looked at all the comments. Only one of the hundred or so I looked at said no. Some asked Greta why she kept asking. I wonder if she was taking an informal poll to give to her husband since he asked her.

  2. I certainly did not make it through ALL the comments there, sorry if I misspoke. There were tons…

  3. I am not voting for either.

  4. Ahem. RD? If you have influence, then you must lead by example. If you won’t vote for McCain, then those who admire you won’t feel the need to either. Obama wins. Nuff said?

  5. Sharon:

    We don’t exist.

    We are just a Cheeto-fueled hallucination.

    Ask any Obot.

    But for some reason they come here to argue with us anyway.

  6. Well this is kind of cool.

  7. Robert:

    RD has the Confluence

    According to Obamanation, she has no influence.

    Besides, PUMAs think for themselves.

  8. Good for him. Enough is enough.

    I suspect more and more of us will choose the same path as this farce of an election continues.

  9. robert bezold,

    Actually robert, my vote for President has never been more than symbolic — I live in Kansas and I’ve always voted for the Democrat and the state has always gone for the Republican.

    Since it’s beyond possible that Obama would be the first Democrat to take Kansas in all these years (I’ve voted since 1972) I’m not sweating it here.

    But aside from that, when I say that Obama is unelectable I mean that quite literally. I don’t believe he will win the election. So “we” can vote for whoever we want.

  10. Ohhhh…He said there will be some surprises coming up. Wonder which Dem’s are coming out for McCain.

  11. I’m not voting for either McCain or Obama, that’s about all I can say for sure right now. I found Howard Wolfson’s reasons for switching to Obama to be disingenuous, especially after visiting his website and looking at his blogroll. While I think anybody can and should vote for whoever they want to, I also think nobody should vote as somebody else expects them to.
    As far as Greta’s PUMA question, I wrote a piece called “We TOLD Howard Dean First” on my blog, because we did. The DeaNC knows we’re not a myth, too bad they don’t know what to do with us any better than we know who to vote for.

  12. I submitted the story to digg.com. Digg is a pro Obama site that treats Obama as God and trashes Hillary. If anyone wants to give it a digg here’s the link:

    http://tinyurl.com/6kzcu8

  13. myiq – When the Obamans go crazy after their Precious loses in November, do you suppose they will use the “Cheeto defense”?

  14. http://carpetride.wordpress.com/

    IN CASE YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE VIDEO REPLY TO GRETA’S QUESTION YET…

  15. Saw the inteview – thanks Katiebird!

    Call it what you like John Coale is a PUMA in the highest degree. He’s decided to go to McCain. I’m not sure I would, but hey. As long as it’s not for Obama, we are cool.

  16. Robert: The parties have put us between a rock and a hard place. It is my personal opinion that John McCain is going to win. He sewed it up when he picked Palin and solidified his evangelical base. I don’t consider myself to be any authority figure but here’s my best shot at delivering guidance: Support downticket Democrats, except for the high profile idiots who sold us out. That is, find a downticket Dem who would be a new face in Congress and work your ass off for that person. Support all of the Dems in fact except for people like John Kerry. For the September 16 primary in Massachusetts, pull out all of the stops for Ed O’Reilly. Even if Ed doesn’t win, we want a showing that will give Kerry the willies. If you protect your numbers in Congress, and they will need extra help now that the evangelical base is mobilized, you will increase the number of progressives to the point where McCain/Palin will have to negotiate and can’t ram anything through.
    Then, when you are confident that you’ve done everything you can to promote a solidly blue Congress, vote your conscience for the top of the ticket. If you don’t like the concept of two Republican parties in the country, make sure that one party incarnation doesn’t survive election day.
    Savvy?

  17. I watched Greta last week and she kept saying every night that her email box was filled with email from women angry about how the nomination was taken from Hillary. She was wondering why she kept getting all these emails, but then shrugged it off – I guess she figured she was the one sympathetic female commentator (along with her frequent guest Susan Etheridge whose mailbox was also flooded all week by PUMAs or soon-to-be PUMAs),

  18. I see cnn is going after palin’s husband for having a dwi in 1984 (24 years ago!). Too bad they didn’t think it was so important that GWB or even Obama were doing coke and who knows what else.

  19. While I am not thrilled about voting for McCain, being in a swing state leaves me no choice. I have also come to the conclusion that if Obama is elected, the sexism and misogyny exhibited in the primary and the GE race will become common place. The more sexism and misogyny are on display for all to see the more people will become desensitized to it. That is not acceptable under any circumstances. These next four years will be tough under McCain but Looking at the big picture having Obama lose will teach the Dems and supporters that sexism and misogyny have no place in the USA.

  20. why is it ok for republicans to cross party lines to vote for obama, but if any of us democrats choose to vote for McCain we are traitors?

  21. (Singing: Imagine there’s no parties and no politics too)

  22. Hello?

  23. Gary:

    IOKIYAR?

  24. edwardian, I’m looking into the problem.

  25. Wait a minute…Obama admits to being a coke user at the same age, and they are going after this guy? The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

  26. I can vote for McCain because I think it would be good for the country (except VERY leery on the economy with McCain) and it would be good for the democratic party.

    If Obama is elected, he has already suggested (and shown with his FISA vote, his republican buzz words on social security, his advisors, he faith-based initiative support) that he will work with Republicans on things I will not compromise on. Hillary is a centrist, Obama is to the right of center (IMO) on places I don’t want the party to go.

    If McCain is elected, he will work with democrats (like Nixon on EPA) to get some democratic ideals through congress. I think he will work with them on the environment. And unlike Reagan and Bush I, I don’t think he is clueless.

    I’m also not worried about the Supreme Court. Both Obama and McCain will put on business progressives. If Roe is sent to the states, that’s the end of the Republican party anyway.

    But the economy scares me. Bush did EXACTLY what Coolidge and Harding (?) did in the 1920’s – and then we had the stock market crash and the Great Depression. Tax cuts and not paying our bills can only lead to disaster IMO.

    I’m voting McCain because it won’t matter in my red red state. Not so sure what I would do if my vote counted. Probably sit home.

  27. Go back to daily Obama, blades. Your site sucks. It’s possibly the most sexist site on the internet so please f*cking spare me the “advancement of women”.

  28. is that the asshole meteor blades from KOS?? you’ve got some nerve showing your jackass around here. fuck off

  29. Good for Coale and Greta is seeing the light in McCain/Palin. We are PUMA – hear us ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. masslib, on September 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pm Said:

    Wait a minute…Obama admits to being a coke user at the same age

    ————————————————————————————–
    More and more day by day he looks more and more like Dubya

  31. Is not the office of Vice President of the United States of America “an advancement” for women?

    I am certain that Hillary and Sarah would work together very well as far as reaching across the aisle.

  32. gary -Where are you? Home? On the road?

  33. Dear Meteor Blades,

    This is what I said:

    And as hard as Obama supporters are trying they still haven’t convinced me to vote for McCain (voting for him would make my nose bleed).

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I’ve never said that I’m voting for McCain and (in fact) I don’t think ANY of the contributing authors are planning to vote for him.

    What we are saying is that you and your friends are working pretty hard to push us in that direction. So keep it up.

  34. Being a PUMA and an Independent I will vote as MY conscience dictates. And my conscience thinks that John McCain with a combative congress is less dangerous than Obama with a supine one.

    If you are still laughing at the thought of a combative Democratic Congress, I don’t blame you. But trust me, and ask some of the older people around you, that used to be the norm. Republicans and Democrats bickered and had at each other and then tried to get something done. Most of the bunch we’ve got in Washington now are buffoons. Not claiming we didn’t have our share of buffoons in the “good old days”, but they were the minority, not the norm.

    Oh I know, I know, and we walked to school uphill both ways with six foot of snow on the ground and hopped from fence post to fence post carrying a lard sandwich .

  35. Numphsed: Sec of State? He pretty much made it clear that he doesn’t want he anywhere NEAR him.

  36. Maybe the defections are starting. Can you hear me now, DNC?

  37. That is the most truthful paragraph I’ve seen from Newsweek all year.

  38. Voting down-ticket Dems is important.

  39. lyn – I’m not defecting. I’m right inside the circle shaking Pelosi by the shoulders. GO CINDY SHEEHAN!!

  40. edwardian,

    I think I’ve fixed the problem.

  41. WOW, the double-standard is showing BIG time!!
    We’ve been asking for MONTHS to “VET” Obama & they haven’t; but instantly they are “ripping Palin to shreds”.
    They are SOooooo STUPID , that just makes “us” protect her MORE!!
    I was thinking how about if we all start supporting Katie Couric
    on CBS. She has really shown some courage , she’s even in the “storm area”. This will show them through her ratings that
    “GIRL POWER” (& special men) is a FORCE to be RECKONED WITH!!
    If anyone knows her e-mail please post it.

  42. Meteor Blades is just starting trouble – and it’s a shame that a high profile poster like him/her would even post a comment like that one on this site.

    I can’t believe I used to read that MORAN.

  43. GUys – let’s not forget Hillary’s debt – and we should think about helping Cindy Sheehan and whoever opposes Harry Reid (as we can – I know – I don’t have any bucks left either).

  44. I don’t think you needed to delete Blades. He wasn’t offenseive just wrong.

  45. Meteor Blades, Since when does the advancement of women includes the acceptance and the promotion of sexism? Sometimes you need to take one step back to move forward. Not voting for McCain in a swing state helps Obama. Electing Obama means the acceptance of sexism and misogyny. I see a short term loss for a long term gain.

  46. KB:

    I was planning to vote for the Democrat in November. Then the primary campaign happened.

    So then I planned on not voting for either major party candidate. I planned to either NOT vote (nothing on top) or vote 3rd party. That is still my plan.

    But every day that goes by I find myself closer and closer to voting for McCain. I am not being pulled that way, I am being pushed.

    Meteorblades and his fauxgressive friends are the ones doing the pushing.

  47. tpt – You’re right – I should start watching Katie – she has guts.

  48. tpt/ny: Yes, I’m trying to be more supportive of Kate Couric, also. At least CBS is determined to give her the chance of a fair fight. That’s a whole lot more than our we-talk-purty-words-to-women Democratic Party

  49. JMAC: PRECISELY!!

    Down-Ticket Dems will get my vote unless your name is Clyburn, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, Wexler, (insert ObamaTroll Democracy Sellout here)

    Strong Dem majoirty beats out a Republican President.

  50. Katiebird, if we’re going to discuss reading comprehension problems, please note that I did NOT say you were voting for McCain. I said “seriously considering” You said you still haven’t been convinced. To me, this indicates that the possibility yet remains.

  51. FLVoter, on September 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm Said:
    Meteor Blades, Since when does the advancement of women includes the acceptance and the promotion of sexism? Sometimes you need to take one step back to move forward. Not voting for McCain in a swing state helps Obama. Electing Obama means the acceptance of sexism and misogyny. I see a short term loss for a long term gain.

    Fighting for Democracy is much more important than my Ladyparts right now.

  52. Oh, you’re back. Blades this is not a pro-McCain site. Bu if advance of women were anyone’s issue the last place they would look is at a guy who ran a misogynist campaign against the first viable female candidate for President.

  53. I am going to vote for McCain, even though I don’t want to. I don’t like the position I’m in, but the DNC put me here.

    Because I do own my vote, I’m putting it to use the most effective way I possibly can….voting for McCain and against Obama. For me personally, sitting at home or voting Independent won’t be enough. He could still worm his way in and that would be unacceptable.

    But that’s just my opinion and what I feel I have to do. I wouldn’t tell anyone else what to do.

  54. Meteor Blades:

    Yes, some of us are seriously considering voting for McCain. We are shocked to find ourselves in this situation, and we are dismayed at what our party and the “progressive” blogosphere have become.

    If we do vote for McCain, you and your fauxgressive friends will only have yourselves to blame.

  55. Meteor Blades – go back to your little Orange hell hole and leave us alone.

    What are you doing here? Are you doing re-con work for another assholian chauvatistic post?

  56. I decided long ago that I was voting McCain. Palin just sealed the deal.

    Well played, Mac, well played.

  57. I said that you and your buddies haven’t yet convinced me to vote for him. Keep up the good work though and that could change.

    I’ve never voted for a Rupublican in my entire life. I’ve never considered it. But after nearly 9 months of being pushed around by you and your ilk — yes I’m thinking about it.

    What self-respecting Hillary supporter wouldn’t give it at least a glancing thought?

    Go back to dKos, Meteor and tell Kid Oakland and your other buddies that you’re about to unleash the unthinkable. A bunch of illiterate women with fingers pressing bleeding noses will march into voting booths all across the country just to spite you. And no other reason.

  58. Meteor Blades: Go tell Kos that Democracy is much more important than my LadyParts.

    WE will not support a candidate who won through voter fraud. End of story.

  59. he said” I think John McCain is what obama says he is but is not ” and there you have it in a nutshell ..

    AND the fact that Sarah Louise Heath Palin is going to make mooseburger meat out of him and Joe Biden

  60. I say Hooray for anyone who votes as they see fit and for the good of the country….I have said for a very long time that a split government…McCain in the WH…dem congress is the way to go. Of course, that means the dems might have to work and stop caving in at every turn.

  61. Swanspirit: I’d rather eat a palin moosemeat burger than an Obama horseshit burger.

  62. The fact remains that Barack Obama is unelectable so my vote doesn’t matter in the least.

    I wonder how anyone thinks that Obama can win where Kerry, Gore, Dukakis & Mondale lost?

  63. PssttCmere, on September 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pm Said:
    I say Hooray for anyone who votes as they see fit and for the good of the country….I have said for a very long time that a split government…McCain in the WH…dem congress is the way to go. Of course, that means the dems might have to work and stop caving in at every turn.

    Hillary as a Senate Majority Leader can help tremendously in that aspect. You know she can fight like no other.

  64. sm77 – the hellhole can’t be orange – anything but orange.

  65. KB:

    Obama will win by bringing unity to the country!

    /snark

  66. Katiebird: Not UN-electable, Obama’s POST-electable and post employable.

    Even the post-living vote for Obama!

  67. Obama’s idea of unity is having everybody in his address book.

  68. Katiebird: Not UN-electable, Obama’s POST-electable and post employable.

    Even the post-living vote for Obama!

    I stand corrected. SM, you are absolutely right.

  69. StillForHill: I meant that for the Daily Kos, the Orange Cheeto Hell.

  70. sm77 – OK – I get it, thanks.

  71. I can’t even believe anyone would suggest fricken Obama for the advancement of women. Guess what? Hillary won the womens vote and the DNC said screw you! Obama is running around campaigning against so-called late term abortions and not fighting the fights of the 60’s and the 90’s. Gee, what were those fights about again? Oh yeah, womens and minority rights. If Obama wants my vote he ought to start fighting for those rights.

  72. MASSLIB: AMEN!

  73. I’ve never, ever been so conflicted about an election. It feels like the whole world has turned upside down. I may just end of staying at home.

    Mountain Sage

  74. Did Blades slip back to the most sexist site on the internet? Come on, Blades, don’t you have so research to do on how evil Hillary is praying Obama loses? Or, how about a story about how rich and out of touch Hillary is? Anything on how women in Iowa switched to Obama because Hillary is just too mean? How about something about how women who can’t run her own house, sure as hell can’t run her own house? Anything? Don’t you all have a new story attacking Hill’s character????

  75. I can’t believe I waited eight years for this election.

  76. sm77….you ain’t lying! Hillary would take the dems to dazzling heights…

    myiq….do you have an email address where you can be reached?

  77. Oops, I meant sure as hell can’t run the WH.

  78. What is the Gynophobia Gestapo doing here?

    This is my safe house. Please someone – remove them.

  79. LMAO!!! It’s official. bambi has lost.

    Apparently, women all over the country have been going to opticians today looking to buy Palin eye glasses and women are going to hairdressers to get the Palin look.

    What does that tell you?

  80. KB: “I’ve never voted for a Republican in my entire life.”

    I did once, for Millicent Fenwick, for senator from NJ. She lost to Frank Lautenberg, an O-man. In retrospect, I’m proud of that vote.

  81. Did Blades run off? Expect a new Daily Obama FP…”Hillary’s supporters bitter, anti-women’s advancement, sickos” or something along those lines. Man, these people need to take a big ole mirror to themselves and ask what role they have played in helping make people all over the internet adamently anti-obama.

  82. I KNEW Greta was a Hillary supporter. She is one of the few who has been fair during the primary season and continues to recognize the validity of the PUMA argument.

  83. WMCB – Really? Wow. Her look seems pretty retro to me, but I’m just a city gal at heart. :-)

  84. What will it take for the Dems to put a woman on the ticket when 18 million votes won’t do it?

    My vote is with Palin. It may be the only chance I have in ever voting for a woman in the GE. And, YES, I am voting for her because she is a woman. I am just as proud of Palin as the AAs are of Obama.

    Although I don’t agree with Palin on several issues she is remarkable and admirable and gets my full support. We need to increase the representation of women in government. Women make up only 16% of congress. How can we advance issues important to women with such a minority in congress?

    Palin needs to win so that it will no longer be considered a risk to put a woman on the ticket. And if she is the next Veep we will see many more women candidates for 2012 and beyond. And that’s exactly what I want.

  85. YOU HAVE to make a DECISION, or DO NOTHING, doing nothing, means NOTHING—–

    NO matter what you decide in the next 60 days, make and DO IT, and then let it GO!!!

    You don’t need anyone but YOU, and leave it at that.

    I like SARAH and I may vote for HER, I don’t know yet, but I KNOW this— A D or and R, never EVER, made that decision for me.

  86. Ask MB why he did nothing to speak out against the relentless Hillary bashing on the Orange site. I saw him quietly uprating comments that objected but he has a platform and is respected there – why was he silent? What is his answer to this? Why was it acceptable to sit there and do nothing?

  87. Apparently, women all over the country have been going to opticians today looking to buy Palin eye glasses and women are going to hairdressers to get the Palin look.

    Not to mention the drag queens! Note, this is not an insult – there are a lot of them in my neighborhood. :) I saw at least one great Hillary impersonator last Halloween.

  88. I’ve never voted for a Republican for any office in my life and I’ve been voting for 40 years. Last week I was committed to sitting out the election this fall (not ever downtickets though). In the past 24-48 hours, I’ve concluded that ceiling MUST be shattered and if it takes a female Republican to do it, so be it. In the end, it will benefit all women. I’m not gonna wait around one minute longer for Democrats to do it.

    The DNC blew it – big time. This fall, I will vote for the vagina.

  89. really the ladies are getting the palin look?????????
    i thought michelle had the fascion industry all sewed up
    rlmfao
    mccain 08
    hillary 12/16
    bo 20 to life
    puma

  90. Cal, I’ve been toying with that one myself.

  91. Ahem. RD? If you have influence, then you must lead by example. If you won’t vote for McCain, then those who admire you won’t feel the need to either. Obama wins. Nuff said?

    robert b. @2:47: what kind of comment is this? No offense to the wonderful RD, but if we are not going to follow lock-step with Hillary, what makes you think that how RD votes is going to influence the rest of us. What part of INDEPENDENT THINKING do you not understand? We EACH own our vote and can make our own decisions, thank you.

  92. Can’t help it but Palin reminds me of Karen on Will and Grace…..AND I REALLLLLLLY LIKED KAREN!!
    She’s new, fresh and I think a Hillary/Sarah ticket would be killer…

  93. Cinie, Wolfson kind of turned me off too. Why won’t one big Dem name (other than Gerry Ferraro) show some principle and say, “No, I will not vote for Obama. To do so would betray my democratic principles.”
    I’m sure they’ll be able to support their kids even if they don’t drink the Kool Aid.

  94. Robert Bezoid:

    Actually, depressed turnout is a real risk to either party, and a condition each party tries to inflict on the other.

  95. I see cnn is going after palin’s husband for having a dwi in 1984 (24 years ago!).

    OMG. I’m catching up upthread, and saw this…they will not vet Obama on MAJOR issues re: judgment, character, his record, or constant lies, but they will dig up a dwi on this guy from 24 years ago? Do we need to have another discussion about media bias?!

  96. masslib, it breaks my heart that it has come to this. But it is what it is and we didn’t ask for it. Frankly, I think it makes it easier for Hillary in 2012 if we go ahead and just bust that ceiling once and for all.

  97. Pssst: Karen was hilarious on W&G, but she was a complete lush. Sarah is too squeaky clean to be Karen-ish.

  98. WCMB, where did you read about women seeking Sarah’s eyeglasses and look? I predicted to a friend yesterday that if they win, a high profile eye glass designer will create a sarah line…!

  99. So Obama made a statement today that anyone in his organization making sexist statements against Sarah Palin will be fired.

    State: So I guess that rules out “I got 99 problems and a b*tch ain’t one?” What’s he going to put on his i-pod?

  100. fif@ 5:10 LOL

    Obama better send that word to the cheetosphere. They are in sexist overdrive to lose this election for him.

  101. Actually, depressed turnout is a real risk to either party

    Yes, and this was something the Rs were quite worried about this year. Palin changes all of that.

  102. katiebird,

    ” A bunch of illiterate women with fingers pressing bleeding noses will march into voting booths all across the country just to spite you. And no other reason.”

    I’ve had this scene from Quentin Tarantino’s “Jackie Brown” going through my head all day:

    Ordell Robbie: Is that what I think it is?
    Jackie Brown: What do you think it is?
    Ordell Robbie: I think it’s a gun pressed up against my dick.
    Jackie Brown: Well, you thought right. Now take your hands off from around my throat….The way I see it you & me got one m—-f—-‘ thing to talk about. One thing. And that’s what you are willing to do for me.

    That is my political mood in a nutshell.

    (It’s damned unfortunate there’s a racial epithet in there. I excised it because quoting it would detract from the real point of the scene, that a woman outwits defends herself against an arrogant, powerful man and forces him to back down.)

  103. PssttCmere, on September 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm Said:
    Can’t help it but Palin reminds me of Karen on Will and Grace…..AND I REALLLLLLLY LIKED KAREN!!
    She’s new, fresh and I think a Hillary/Sarah ticket would be killer…

    I thought that about the hair! All my friends call me the Karen of our little group. I LOVE Karen Walker. You don’t even know. OMG, Hillary/Sarah–Hirrah!!! 2012. I’d take it.

  104. You know, I remember learning that French revolutionaries didn’t want to give women the vote because they said women would all vote the way the parish priest tells them them.

    Some things never change.

  105. oh geez! just flipped on CNN and they seem to be going crazy with “concern” about Palin’s daughter…

  106. @ Cal at 4:44 pm :

    I find your last sentence repugnant. Please don’t refer to any woman as a “vagina”. If you continue I hope the moderators will remove your posts.

  107. fif…lol—-was referring to her looks not her drinking :)

    Regency: Oh yeah, that is the ticket!!

  108. Long-time lurker here. And long-term admirer of rd, kb,bb et al.

    Here is what I’ve been struggling with. I/ve seen a number of posts, comments, etc. from people who say they will vote for McCain this year in hopes that if he wins it will jolt the Dems into reform mode.

    Meanwhile, after living thru Dem defeats in the last two elections, I see what? I see that Donna Brazile, who was Al Gore’s campaign manager and no doubt the one (or one of the ones) who convinced him to distance himself from B.Clinton, who helped him to choose Sanctimonious Joe Lieberman as his VP, etc., is now in 3-4 place command in the “pahty.” I see that John Kerry is tripping over himself advocating for Obama on the basis that his race will make a statement around the world, bla bla bla.

    In short, what I’m trying to say is, these people never seem to learn. They just keep trying to do what they do, only “next time” they will do it better. Like digging that proverbial hole, only with a better shovel.

    So in terms of the argument that “punishing the Dems” this time will make them somehow get a clue, well, I just don’t see that happening.

  109. idear, we’re going to get rid of ‘em and replace ‘em. They are apparently incapable of learning anything.

  110. kjmontana: no offense meant and I happen to have one myself that I am quite fond of. I am voting for a vagina this November, and that you can take to the bank. Call it identity politics, if that is less offensive to you.

    I think it’s long past time we get someone’s attention at the DNC.

  111. You know, what Katiebird and alot of PUMA’s don’t get. The DNC took away the most basic right to vote. The DNC chose
    pick a male without experience and took away the dream, hope aspirations of woman (hillary) whom has experience.
    For people esp. women who care about this country and our freedom to still support the Dem. party on any level is distrubing.
    Without Freedom and basic principles of democracy, what is there to lose?.
    Bottom line…the DNC committed the crime not the RNC. Please don’t reward crimminals.

  112. “You know, what Katiebird and alot of PUMA’s don’t get.”

    SAB, I don’t understand your comment at all. Have you ever spent any time at all at this or any other P.U.M.A. site?

  113. Sorry, Katiebird if I am misunderstanding you’ll stand ref. to
    the DNC. Yes, I have spent time on site, listen to “NO WE WANT” radio and contributed at close to $100 +.
    Because I am AA and chose to take 4 years out of my life to serve this country (USN), I will not under no circumstances vote for Obama or his DEM elected officials and supporters.
    This past SAT. I had an AA co-worker say to me “that was wrong for McCain to pick that woman as his VP…then went on calling her names that are to distrubing to mention. Most of Dems and Obama supporters really believe he is entitled and that this country owes them something. I just can’t stomach to be around to listen to Obama , Dean, Pelosi and Brazille on why we should vote for this man and his party.

  114. “if I am misunderstanding you’ll stand ref. to the DNC. ”

    I don’t know what you want me to do. “stand ref.”???

  115. Hillary/Sarah = Hera

  116. Excuse the long post, but here’s the latest MoveOn letter circulating that includes all the latest rumors and distortions re: Palin. I love how they do not mention Obama’s vote for the Bush/Cheney energy bill, his waffling on abortion rights, or his glaring inexperience. Only Big Bad Sarah.

    Dear MoveOn member,

    Yesterday was John McCain’s 72nd birthday. If elected, he’d be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for “inexperience,” here’s who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.

    Huh?

    Who is Sarah Palin? Here’s some basic background:

    • She was elected Alaska’s governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1
    • Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2
    • She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3
    • Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4
    • She’s doesn’t think humans are the cause of climate change.5
    • She’s solidly in line with John McCain’s “Big Oil first” energy policy. She’s pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won’t be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
    • How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7

    This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.

    We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here’s a sample:

    She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today.—Rose M., Fairbanks, AK

    She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She’s a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska.—Christine B., Denali Park, AK

    As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be.—Karen L., Anchorage, AK

    Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (deems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK

    She’s vehemently anti-choice and doesn’t care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary.—Marina L., Juneau, AK

    I think she’s far too inexperienced to be in this position. I’m all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn’t done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain’s part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he’ll get our vote by putting “A Woman” in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK

    So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She’s a global warming denier who shares John McCain’s commitment to Big Oil. And she’s dramatically inexperienced.

    In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he’s made a very dangerous decision for our country.

    In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain’s vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.

  117. says renewables won’t be ready for years.

    BTW: I work in the green industry, and I saw Palin talk about this. What she said is: we have to start doing everything NOW, because to be realistic, these alternative sources will not be ready for years. That is ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE and honest. Anyone who is promising anything more is lying and pandering.

    And with an 80-90% approval rating, what did they do, dig up the few Alaskans who don’t like her to give quotes?

  118. Thanks, fif, for posting the MoveOn Letter. I unsubscribed to them when they first backed Obama, so I don’t normally get to read their stuff.

    My response to Soros and MoveOn:

    Gee, I guess the Democrats in Congress will actually have to start working for a living to combat the McCain presidency and Palin’s GIGANTUAN power over the world, once they win in November.

    Perhaps you should have listened to those of us in the Democratic party who warned you about this very thing happening should you try to shove an unqualified lying little nobody down our collective throats. Instead of allowing the voters to choose their own nominee, you chose to ram through — illegally and divisively — the candidate YOU thought we should vote for in the primaries.

    Well, MoveOn, I truly think it’s time for you to move on…and live with the consequences of your actions. And I hope you learn something very important from this – A party that bases itself in honesty, democracy, equality and standing up for the little person must do just that if it hopes to have any chance to survive in the long run. We are members of the Democratic party who actually believe in those things, and vote accordingly.

    THE IDEALS OF DEMOCRACY, TRUTH, HONOR AND EQUALITY RULE THIS COUNTRY, WITHOUT THEM WE ALL FAIL!

    MoveOn, you have failed worst of all.

  119. I have a more rationable answer than anyone here (I didn’t read them all, I’m just assuming because my reason is more or less right).

    Heres the deal. Pretend McCain wins. No big deal for Hilary, she can just run again in 4 years.

    Now pretend Obama wins (shouldn’t be hard, unfortunatley he’s going to). Hillary can’t run again for another 8 years because next election Obama will automaticaly be on the ticket for the democratic party. He doesn’t even need to campaign until they chose the republican candidate because Obama will have the automatic right to run for the 2nd term unpresidented (get it) by other democrats. So Hillary won’t be able to run again for 2 terms, and by then she’ll be dead or too old. So it’s in Hillary’s best interest that McCain wins, as it is her supporters if they (moronicaly) ever want to see her in office.

    (Oh, in case you haven’t figured it out, i hat Hillary AND Obama. I’m not a big McCain guy, but he doesn’t make me want to stab myself in the dick with a power drill)

  120. I like what Bill Clinton said, and it was so obvious what he was talking about…

    “You have candidate ‘x’ and candidate ‘y’…

  121. Here’s the deal. When you get that sick, queasy feeling again, over what Obama does and does not do, that ‘s a message for you to act. I can’t stress enough how sitting home is going to be a vote for Obama especially if the down ticket is filled in and the top ticket is empty. He will steal your uncast Deomocrat and Independent vote and have the Soros paid top election officials cast it for Obama from the list of registered poeple who didn’t vote on election day. He did it in the primaries. What do you think the Indiana delay was about? And this is how Hill lost NC miserably when she should have had a blow-out. Obama will have tons of absentee ballots with fake names to count as votes. bold>Mccain needs a landslide to offset Obama stealing votes.

    Now, If you can live with Obama as president and stealing another election then by all means sit this out or vote thrid party. If you can’t stomach the idea of an Obama Presidency, then you do what you must do for the good of the country and our kids. When I pull that lever for McCain, I’ll do it with glee and a big FU to all the times the DNC and Obama made me puke literally.
    Palin is wonderful. She is the answer to the economy woes on Mccains ticket as she is from the 5th richest state in the nation and has given kickbacks to the citizens from oil profits and put in new laws for oil companies to clean up leaks and spills. She also has chutzpah to help clean up corruption. The choice of Obama and drunken Biden is appalling and being pro-active is the only way to insure a defeat for Obama. If you have a tough time pulling the lever for Mccain and feel you want to…think about the threats, the Gwatney murder and suspicious death of Stephanie Tubbs Jones, on and on.
    What we are facing is bigger than we could ever imagine and an Obama Presidency will be the death of Democracy as well as the death of a party as we once knew it. This is no accident. It was planned by Soros to ruin the Dem party and they want to be rid of the Repub party too. They do not want any party.
    McCain is not like Bush and the quicker people see it the better. It won’t be,/bold> more of the same but it will be just what the doctor ordered. I for one am glad there is a candidate I can cast a vote for that will likely beat Obama, if the system isn’t gamed too much by Obama Camp and enough people come out to offset the BHO thugs vote stealing. Remember, Gore lost by 500 votes. I am in no mood for an Obama dictatorship so McCain gets my vote. He’s a patriot who doesn’t agree with Bush. He has wisdom and he’s a fair man. He has character and so does Palin. She will help to clean up Bushes mess. It’s a perfect ticket. Obama is in Detroit today and he has lots of support. bold>I beg you to reconsider sitting this out or voting third party. Cast for McCain to save Democracy?
    Bush=Obama. McCain is not Obama or Bush. McCain is a Federalist just like Hillary and he will preserve the constitution and secure the nation. Will Obama? No! Palin will clean up the pork barrel spending and balance the budget. I have no fear that this team will bring us back up out of the pit. McCain will have Romney, a sucessful businessman, in his cabinet. McCian isn’t in it for his own self-aggrandizement or ego-he loves America and knows what troubles we face. McCain & Palin are not going to demand we do or be anything, unlike Obama. McCain will pick people who interpret law and not make law from the bench. McCian and Palin both challenge the status-quo and are not afraid to go against their own party for fairness and for the good of the country. McCain does not lie like Obama does. Country before Party is a reality with McCain. He has a broad appeal and is centrist like Hillary. If terrorists are hoping for an Obama win then that should tell you something. I want the kids to be safe. The danger in the world is not just a neo-cons fantasy. It’s reality and we need to take Americas safety seriously.
    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY.
    I want to add a bit of hope to the native Indians. Palin’s husband is a Native Alaskan Indian and this is the closest you’ll ever come to representation at this time.

    Democrat for McCain-so I can stop getting scared and sick to my stomach over losing my party, my candidate. and country. my 2 cents.
    pardon the typos..the font is so tiny even a magnifying glass doesn’t help.

    MAY I ADD ONE MORE THING…Our girl was visiting JM for 4 days just before the convention as one puma disclosed. those days were when Sarah was being vetted….think please..our kids need us to fight back.
    Were you voting just for Paula Revere or for the kids and the forgotten. Please think. She was speaking to us. Dawg was too with the x-y-z comparison. .
    Mccain and Plain will work across the isle..do your research please.

  122. Did an OBOT post that long diatribe letter by MOVE_ON? Careful PUMAS> That post is chock full of blatant lies. Palin is ready to lead. Palin is as awesome as Hillary and she is not any of the scary things mentioned in the above post with the Move-on letter. I’m so sick of the lies…If you knew how wonderful Palin is and is going to help us you’d stop being so pissy about her. McCain is listening to us. Stop scaring people. All anyone needs to know= she truly is a public servant and a humble one at that..oh and she IS QUALiFIED. She’s been in office since her early 20’s. She was on legislative and jusdiciary committees, then onto becoming Mayor for 8 years and now Governor who cleaned up corruption in her state and went against her own party, to the point that the corrupt want to take her to task with a bogus lawsuit.. She is very popular in her state because she is everything we wanted in Hillary but didn’t get…wake up!
    I fought my fingers to the bone and tons of sleepless nights for Hillary and i’m not staying silent. moaning and groaning and sitting it out will be a huge win for Barky. why else did Donna Brazille tell us all to stay home??? clue: they’ll count your vote for themselves anyway. “don’t need the people, just get me the checks” Obama told Rendell….they plan to steal this so we need a landslide..come-on..how bad can it be..after all we’ve been through? Help! Action is needed. Think how good it will feel when we defeat Obama. It’s OK. You won’t piss our girl off- I’m sure. I’m a Dem for McCain and DNC pushed me there on May 31st….when you hear the dogs..keep going..don’t turn back if you are to taste freedom…Thinks Please. Keep going…don’t sit down.

  123. I agree with you in every respect crookedO. If they cheated all the way down the line, there is NO way they will stop now. Cheating now is when it ‘counts.’ There needs to be a margin so large it cannot be overcome. Everywhere.

    Regarding that moveon email above, I believe that fif received the moveon email and reprinted it here so that what they are saying about Palin could be read.

  124. ncarnes, on September 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm Said:
    I like what Bill Clinton said, and it was so obvious what he was talking about…

    “You have candidate ‘x’ and candidate ‘y’…

    Exactly. Although I’ve visited often, I seldom post here. But I wanted to chime in with the above, and say that I made up my mind months ago that if Obama got the nomination, I was voting for McCain. As I see it, that takes my vote from Obama – and cancels out somebody else’s vote for him. I do not want to take any chance that he might get elected in November. I’m in California – my vote might actually matter.

  125. wELL SPEAK UP PERRIES AND TELL EVERYONE SITTING IT OUT WILL BE DANGEROUS…THEY DON’T BELIEVE IT…

  126. Not voting for McCain only increases the chance that Mr. Soetoro wins the presidency.

  127. Okay it looks like someone pulled the moveon lies that I disputed and left the lieing letter..I guess this is another site for Obama now…sure looks like it.
    Joined TM and her gang.

  128. Why would a Hillary supporter endorse McCain? How about because of bitter sexism and genderism? Seems pretty clear to me from reading some of these posts. Pretty simple. You folks are not as complicated as you may like to fancy yourselves—-nor as intellectual. Emotioanal bitterness trumps intellectualism every time. That would be many of you folks.

  129. I know that this is a hard decision, but if you truly want to reform the DNC, you will have to do it internally and that will require that you have the means to do it, or you must break it and rebuilt. If Obama wins, the DNC wins. Please tell me how we will be able to effect any change, if he is not defeated. I know that some might not believe, but I have voted Democratic for 50 years and my husband for 62 years. I am no Repulican troll. I will not vote for Obama. I will vote for John McCain. If you can show me some other way to reform the Democratic party, I will do so!

  130. Why would he support Mccain? Because his wife works for the most conservative channel ever. Maybe some promotion came closer now…

  131. I am a Florida and Democrat for 20 years. Never voted Republican. Hillary said at the convention, “when you hear the dogs keep running.” I not only hear them. They are nipping at my feet.

    I voted for Hillary. Howard Dean broke the rules when he stripped FL of all of the delegates. Every said, “rules are rules,” but apparently they never applied to Howard Dean. Then came the May 31st meeting when I was given half a voice while the superdelegates were allowed full vote. Interesting that the people were punished and the politicians were not. That’s when I lost my respect for FL Senator Bill Nelson who was satisfied with that (and he lost my vote too.)

    Then Obama, after the deal was sealed, asked for FL to have full vote, but Hill released her delegates, so the FL delegation voted no where like our Jan. 29 election results. My vote never did count. This is okay for the Democrats.

    Michigan got treated worse. Considering rules called for half delegation seating, it was interesting that all but one candidate supported Howard Dean breaking the rules in stripping all delegates by removing their names from the ballot. Why? After all they must have known the rules too. They did it to make sure the election would not be considered valid. This was okay with the dems too. This was likely the most corrupt primary in the history of the nation.

    I own my vote. I’m sending a message to the Democratic leaders that this is not okay. The Party treated us FL and MI voters badly. It could have happened to anyone, but it happened to us. It’s not for Hillary, it is to say no to the new standards the Democrats have set for the American election.

    I haven’t decided how far I will run from the dogs yet, but this PUMA is definitely running, very likely out of the Party. One thing I do know is I’m voting McCain. And downticket red to stand up for Florida and how the Democratic Party treated my state. They didn’t care about my vote in January. They’re not getting it in November.

    I do think we need balance in Washington, but right now the Democrats are WAY out of control. That’s why I’m swinging my weight the other way. I believe McCain will be solid and dependable. I can’t say that about Obama.

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