Regardless of her politics, the choice of Sarah Palin to be McCain’s VP is, in my view, a way for McCain to
reach out an olive branch to women voters. Obama has proven that not only does he not care about women’s issues, he fundamentally doesn’t understand them at all. Even worse he has such utter disdain for women that he refused to pick the one person who would have ensured him victory in November. McCain on the other hand has just told the biggest voting block in the nation that while they may have disagreements on issues, even issues that are extremely important to a lot of women, he acknowledges their importance to the governance of this nation, and lets everyone know that he believes a woman is capable of governing the most powerful nation on Earth. And in my opinion that’s a big deal. Why? Because for all of their boasting about being progressive on women’s issues, the Democratic Party has shown through their actions that they don’t buy what they themselves are selling.
Obama and his supporters will try to tell us that we are hypocrites if we vote for McCain/Palin because we are ignoring the issues, and voting for her just because she is a woman. This is because they don’t understand us at all. Hell they think we are sino-peruvian lesbian Republicans. And they will have their henchmen like that deranged anti-semitic, porn peddler Christina Cedeno barking about how we’re through, that we lost, that we’re pathetic, right on up until election day. Then when McCain/Palin is done handing Obama/Biden their collective ass, we will remain as a formidable pollitical force to be reckoned with, and she will scurry back to whatever bridge she crawled out from under. Hey, we just played a part in having a woman put on the presidential ticket. But I digress. The reason that some of us will support Palin, even though we may not agree with all of her political positions, is that she is not an illegitimate candidate. She did not steal votes from her opponent. She did not smear us with charges of racism. She actually has a lot in common with some of us (mother, businesswoman, athlete, etct). And the man that will be her boss showed us that he is at least listening and aware of our presence. He didn’t flick us off his shoulder and tell us we weren’t needed. He didn’t play the abusive boyfriend and say “where else are you gonna go babe?”.
But not only did Obama, and in turn the Democratic party, tell women to either STFU or get lost, they played on the darkest fears of, and used, yet another large, important, Democratic voting block; African Americans. Obama is going to lose, and the REAL losers because of it are the African American community. They got hoodwinked yet again by a leader who was more interested in his own glorification than helping out a community that supported him almost to a man. If they had realized what an imposter he was and Hillary had been elected, not only would we have had the first woman president, I am positive that she would have put many African Americans (men and women) into powerful positions that could have served as springboards to higher office. Obama has not only damaged race relations for a generation, he has damaged the prospects of African American politicians as well. And he may have very well destroyed the Democratic Party.
PUMAs, we have a lot of work to do.
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I am happy.
Let’s have a fund raiser for Hillary today base on McCain’s excellent choice!
PUMA Happy :happy:
That loud sound just now was the mysogensits in the DNC and MSM heads exploding.
McCain-Palin 2008
Now THAT is the kind of real, authentic change that America can believe in!
Makes the Obama-Biden ticket look like the old boys club!
Sarah Palin is a Governor, a former Mayor, a mother, and she can hold her own in a deabte. She is in touch with small town America, and has executive experience. Obama likes to boast about his days as a community worker. Well, Sarah Palin has actually been ELECTED to run the community. Mayor, then Governor, and now on the ticket with the Maverick as his choice for VP! I also like the fact that she was not afraid to take on the corruption in Alaska! That takes guts!
Brilliant choice by the Maverick!
Bill Burton, Obama’s campaign spinmaster, was late for his interviews on the news channels today following the announcement that Palin is the choice for VP. Guess Burton had to change his pants after Palin was announced!
America, take back our country from the DNC elites and Obama.
Vote for REAL CHANGE!
Vote America first!
McCain-Palin – 2008
Hillary – 2012
Suck it Obamabots!!
Well said, Gary.
Now, who wants to bet that the MSM / MBB (misogynist blogger boyz) and Obama campaign learned precisely NOTHING from the primaries?
Every time they turn their sexist cr@p against Sarah Palin, we’ll see REPUBLICANS defending her. And with every misogynist smear against Sarah Palin, more and more women will get behind her.
It was likely that Obama was going to lose once he chose to pass on having Hillary Clinton as his running mate. McCain’s brilliant choice of Palin now seals Obama’s fate.
I don’t agree with her on some issues, but I think McCain made an excellent choice. I like her style, she’s smart, she can OBVIOUSLY take care of herself, she can carry her weight in the outdoors world, is an athlete, seems wonky and is raising 5 kids ta boot. She actually was able to rattle of some accomplishments in office and took on the old establishment. Good representative for women, imo.
What was it McCain said about her “not just sitting down”? Heh, McCain so got it and what was p!ssing us off
And please would someone explain to the BO camp that she looks pretty “fresh” to me. Good enough for me.
LOL Carol, I’ll buy another Hillary T-Shirt (hopefully they still have some).
Great post….you so hit the bullseye, Gary!!!
LUV2ALLPUMAS Hillary in 2012
P.S. Here’s to renovating the Dem Party…throwing out all the bums: Pelosi…Donna B., Howard Dean, Kerry et al….Karma’s a bitch!!!
I understand that Gov Palin has an 80% approval rating in Alaska.
She must be doing something right.
I always thought you had to be tough to live in Alaska.
It just does not strike me as a place for weakiings.
Good Choice Senator McCain.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
thank you, my Puma friends and thank you John McCain.
You have shown time and again that showing courage and doing the right thing matters.
GO JOHNNY GO!
I am crying a few happy tears today for a change; I also think Stephanie tubb jones service is either today or tomorrow.. I weap ‘cos somebody did something right today for me and the country.
Palin will have an excellent opportuity to bring focus on women’s and children’s issues as well.
The Obama campaign is in full panic mode now!
Expect the Obama campaign to try to trash this woman as they did Hillary.
We Won’t Let Them!
John McCain was absolutely beaming as Governor Palin was speaking today.
What an incredible day in American politics! WOW!
Gary, well put, all of it!
Just thinking: If Bill Clinton was like the first AA President (without the skin color), Hillary would have been the second (ditto skin color), or first AA Woman President without the skin color. I believe her friend, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and Rep. Sheila Lee Jackson knew what you were saying.
I have a scenario proposal: Obama/Biden sinks in the polls, Repugs bring out more scandals on Barry, OR, DNC brings them out (because they sink so badly, no $ coming in, and want him off), Obama forced to resign, then beg Hillary to take his place. Impetus? Gov. Sarah Palin siphons so many Clinton supporters (men and women) that Obama/Biden can’t carry key swing states, and national poll numbers sink like the Titanic, too. Gov. Palin lights up with many different groups in swing states – picks up where Hillary left off.
Plausible? Anyway appreciate your thoughts. I was supposed to be doing chores on my day off, but this news set me blogging here and there. Back to work!
Hope you and Mawm are having a great trip!
I agree with IronMan: I can’t see how Obama is going to win the small-town rural vote. They were going to try with Biden, I believe. But I just don’t think they can do it now.
What you said, GCH.
Hi Gary! Great post!!!
The wind is shifting. McCain has divined its direction and its message. The Obama/DNC Conglomerate have not, and will go shrieking down to political irrelevance while bitterly clinging to their Precious, illegitimate, post-electable MacBama.
And then, we will bring democracy back to the Democratic Party. No more caucuses. No more superdelegates. One person, one vote. And no more spineless, sellout pseudo-Democrats!
And we will kick Republican butt in 2012!
PUMA POWER!!!!!
Bravo, gary.
Like Bill and Hillary have in the past.
Palin was the first of many crushing blows the Republicans will deal. Brilliant masterful crushing blowe. Bravo Karl Rove.
I am a woman and a Liberal – and I was NOT voting for McCain – but DAMMIT Palin is a strong reason to vote for him. I’m not sure what I’ll do, and I won’t advoczte for anyone – BUT DAMN Palin is a strong reason to vote for McCain.
If the DNC has any sense, they will toss out all the Pelosis and Deans and Brazilles after their HUMILIATING loss, and start working HARD behind the scenes to SET UP 2012 as a run for Hillary. They will praise the Clinton years to high heaven every chance they get for the next 4 years. The will make Hill the superstar of the party in preparation for her run. Every major piece of legislation will have her name on it.
If they have a fucking brain cell left in their heads, that is what they will do.
To steal a line from Michelle O…
For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of the republicans.
It’s likely to be the last time I ever am, but today, it’s true.
The comments from obamabushbots about “we’re supposed to vote for her just because of her gender”
crap.
I’ve responded “we’re supposed to vote for him just because of his skin tone”?
This is gonna be F U N!
The Obama campaign just ordered a massive amount of Immodium. Hmmm…
Obama campaign just released a statement saying Obama’s district when he was an Illinois Senator had a larger population than the small town in Alaska that Sarah Palin was Mayor of.
Folks, the Obama campaign is DESPERATE! They are already going negative! LOL! WTF, Obama! You are old news!
Champagne tonight! Or is it already five o’clock somewhere?
Liberty Belle not for Obama, on August 29th, 2008 at 2:07 pm Said:
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IMHO, there is zero chance of that happening.
To do that now, would make the DNC look even more incompetent.
Politics goes in cycles; Hillary’s FAR from done yet. 3.5 years isn’t that long to see her start campaigning again
The Obama campaign response just threw small town people under the bus again! They are now attacking Governor Palin for being the Mayor of a smalltown in Alaska that did not have alarge population comapred to the population in Obama’s State Senate Dictrict in Illinois.
LMAO! Obama, you are toast!~
What did Obama ever do in that state senate district? I still haven’t heard he’s done anything in any position he’s held.
This is an absolute homerun for McCain – I am so psyched! Palin brings so much to the table.
IronMan – Do they think they can ignore that she is the Governor of Alaska?
What are they smoking over there?
oceancitygirl, that was a great line!!
I love they way they don’t mention she runs a state!
My Dawg! They STILL don’t get it! She actually can list accomplishments. Obama? crickets.
She’s a basketball athlete & coach.
She likes to hunt.
She likes to fish.
She has a 90% rating in Alaska.
She was mayor of her town before becoming governor.
She KICKED AZZ in the elction.
Environmentalist.
Not pro-abortion but says abortion is a personal CHOICE.
Stood up to corrupt big-buck spenders in her own party.
Tough as nails and loving mom
HER HUSBAND IS A STAY AT HOME DAD
This FEMINIST LIBERAL is very impressed.
McCain has hit a home run with his choice of Palin. Despite the fact that she is a republican, she is truely one of us. We can connect with a woman who was PTO president, many of us have been active in PTO’s nationwide. She is a hockey mom, not much different than soccer mom except that around here she would have been driving the kids to practise at two a.m. Palin was a union member and her husband worked as a fisherman. These are people who do understand our lives, and in the words of Joe Biden has the same discussions at the kitchen table as we do.
To get down to the brass tacks though as some would say it,this woman is the strongest argument opposite one of Obama’s biggest problems– that vote on the born alive bill in Illonois. This woman had to face a very difficult decision and had no question. I have to be honest, I was already in tears when I saw that when she accepted the position of McCain’s running mate, this child was with her. If I remember correctly was not the child described by the nurse a downs baby?
Palin has many other things speaking for her, not the least of these is her support for drilling and her rejection of wasteful government spending. When joined withMcCain’s promise to veto pork, this choice for running mate gives teeth to this promise. Is there hope that someone will actually reign in government spending? I begin to believe there is.
Will the fact that Sarah palin is a woman influence my vote in November? Perhaps, but not as much as the fact that this is a person who really can understand my life. Congrats Senator McCain. You already had my vote when Obama was promoted over the votes of 18 million americans by the DNC. I had already started to like him. Today, the person youchose to run with you brought me to tears, she was speaking about my life and that of most of the people I know.
Also, Palin paid homage to Hillary’s role in history, AND could be bothered to mention the anniversary of women’s suffrage this week, both things that Obama couldn’t force himself to do.
The Democrats’ response is amazingly tone-deaf: Hey boys, mocking small-town America is just about #1 on the no-no list.
Also, the standard Dem. response is to try to paint this as a desperation move by comparing Palin to Quayle (won’t work, Quayle was just a freakin’ idiot) and get this, Gerry Ferraro.
Now, if you’re trying to win back Clinton voters, does any sane person think, “I know! Let’s smear the first female VP presidential candidate in the history of the United States! Yeah, that’ll go over super good with the chicks!”
While I do not agree with most Repubican politics, I think this was a great move on McCain’s part. If Palin has an 80% approval rating as governor, Gov. Bladjgovech (Obama’s governor from Illinois and mine too) has a LOW LOW LOW LOW LOW approval rating, and may actually be looking at charges against him for corruption in the near future. Does the name Tony Rezko ring a bell?) I applaud John McCain for this pick and it will definitely move some women voters to his side of the aisle. P.S. Obama better be careful how he phrases his attacks. Anything resembling sexism, or talking of inexperience, is sure to backfire.
Another thing – Let’s work to remove the word “bitch” from the dictionary and out of the English language.
A new day just dawned.
PUMA HAPPY!
McCain-Palin 2008
That is the REAL Change and Reform ticket!
Get on board America!
Can’t wait to give the middle finger to the DNC elites and Barry O on election day!
IronMan, I love your line: Obama likes to boast about his days as a community worker. Well, Sarah Palin has actually been ELECTED to run the community.
I intend to shamelessly steal it and use it when I encounter Obamabots in my daily life.
I am thrilled with the Palin pick. I don’t know much about her so I cannot say whether she would compel me to vote for McCain instead of sitting out (doubt it), but watching the clips of her on the news, I REALLY like her. How can you not admire a woman who has raised or is raising 5 children while running a state? I feel the same kind of deep admiration for her that I did for Hillary. Is that enough for me to vote for the ticket? Probably not, I have big disagreements with her on social issues – abortion, most notably. I am not sure where she stands on gay rights, but I am open to learning more…great pick by McCain. Regardless of how you feel about her politics, this is good for the women of America…and if Obama and his attack dogs unleash ANY sexism, watch the Republicans eat them alive. I, for one, will enjoy them getting beat down. The Democrats never stood up for Hillary, but I have no doubt the Republicans will take care of their own. That is one thing they are good at.
Carol: I am with you!
As a guy, I wanted to congratulate the great women we have at the confluence.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that Gov. Palin will not do anything to negate our good will.
Women deserve a seat at the highest office in this country.
Imagine what might have been:
Obama runs a clean campaign, loses to Hillary, and is promptly picked to be her VP
Victory in November 2008.
November 2012 – Hillary re-elected
November 2016 – Barack Obama becomes first black President
November 2020 – Obama re-elected
You can bet Hillary Clinton will be back in 2012.
The Obama supporters on my newspaper’s editorial blog are going nuts. Thank you, thank you John McCain.
WMCB: I think you are probably wrong. I don’t think they will ever admit they made a blunder this huge. This was the year Dems were supposed to take it easy and sail into the White House. But they effed it up, they just had to make some kind of statement, I don’t know what it was they were trying to say, but this will always be the election that was handed to the Republicans. McCain/Palin will dominate and the DNC gang will never understand; I suspect at this point they do not know whether to “to scratch their watch or wind their butt” (Steel Magnolias)
I am still trying to decide how I feel about this. I am not a fan of either candidate and had no plans for voting for Obama. I was a definite Hillary supporter. However, Biden opposes abortion and gay marriage – two issues I feel strongly about. I do agree with her stance on drilling in the ANWR, however. Just not sure… I would like a female candidate that I was more on the same page with.
Vanessa
WOOHOO!!
MY God, I’d buy ya all drinks if I could.
Gary, you have said it well. Obama and his DNC enablers may well have destroyed the Democratic Party. The one thing that made it competitive in national elections was the gender gap. Now they have let the Republicans appeal to women with the Palin choice. Palin may well be a Presidential candidate before Hillary, because I am not at all sure that Hillary would run again. If Democrats lose a large proportion of women, they will lose every national election for decades.
I cannot be gratified at any of this. It was probably inevitable. The sanctimonious idiots at the DNC who just had to have their Black nominee, however unqualified, deserve all of it, but we don’t. Obama could have waited eight years. He could have run without using the race card to inflame Black people and infuriate White people who have long supported racial equality. He even could have saved himself by putting Hillary on the ticket, but his hubris and his hatred of the Clintons wouldn’t allow him to. And I don’t know where the Democrats will go if McCain wins. Riverdaughter wrote a great post earlier about the Democrats running away from their roots, afraid to take strong liberal stands, the way Republicans take strong conservative stands. If Hillary doesn’t run next time, it will be Mark Warner, a Carter-like, religious moderate, as the nominee. This is bad, and it is getting worse. We can rightfully blame Pelosi, Dean, Brazile, Obama, and everyone else involved, for this bleak future. But it will affect all of us.
She’s pretty good on gay rights. Check out her first veto.
The Obama folks are already out there disrespecting the “small town” element in Palin’s resume.
Big, big mistake.
And going after her on “inexperience” only reopens the door on Obambi’s inexperience and he’s being run as POTUS for God’s sake!
I thought this was a masterstroke for McCain. It will energize his base and lure disaffected Democrats to his candidancy. I think it really blindsided the Obamatrons. They’re already acting like their heads are exploding.
Hahahaha. Love it!
I keep hearing the media say that Palin will be “one heartbeat”
away from the presidency, as though Johnny Mac is about to drop dead at any second.
Looks like he may have a few good years left in him if you ask me.
oceancitygirl,
Indeed! From sea to shining sea…spread the word!
TheRealKim, that is why I said IF they have a brain cell left, this is what they will do. IF.
Peggy Sue:
They aren’t acting, their heads really are exploding
WMCB: I don’t think they have one left, if they did, would we be in this damn mess?
The Palin choice wasn’t an olive branch, it was an insult. We didn’t support Hillary simply because of her gender. We supported her because of her experience. Palin has no experience.
Palin is a terrible choice. And when McCain croaks halfway through his first term, she will be the least capable president in history.
I never thought I would say it, but I have to vote for BO. McCain isn’t just unappetizing anymore…his ticket is now dangerous to America.
Cookiegramma-
Yes, Palin’s youngest born in April, has Down’s Syndrome.
JJ-
I read earlier (somewhere) that Palin implemented legislation ensuring equal benefits for same-sex couples.
Gary,
Thank you for this post! I agree with everything you wrote. And I find myself very tempted to listed to what McCain and Palin have to say. I already know I can’t vote for the Dem ticket.
Well, oh well…. say hello to president McCain.
No wonder the unity meme was overplayed like crazy at the convention.
Tell me what you brag about and I will tell you what you lack….
This probably won’t get published because this site states only the PUMA party line. Don’t forget what McCain said he’d do as president re Supreme Court. You all aren’t feminists you’re just (sore) losers .
HillBlazer, don’t do it!
HA! That’s a laugh riot. She’s already more experienced than Obama.
As I long time Republican, neo-con, pro-lifer and pro-gun NRA member, I want to personally thank all of you for all the works you’re doing on behalf of my cause. We cannot ensure four more years of Republican leadership without your valuable assistance. Thank you.
Jim:
Have you seen her kids? Who would want to abort one of those beautiful babies?
But she doesn’t want to force her views on other women.
Oh, and what a way to kill D’s momentum… Yup, Rs know how to win elections…
HillBlazer: Why? She has just as much experience as Obama, if not more.
Hillblazer,
You posted almost the identical comment on another thread. Quit spamming us. We aren’t stupid, unfortunately for Obama and the DNC.
What choice am I left with? An old man who’s wrong on every issue I care about, and a VP less qualified than Dan Quayle? This is horrible.
Excellent post Gary, and I absolutely concur. People who are criticizing the pandering nature of McCain’s choice are defensively minimizing it. She has a proven record of taking on special interests, and more importantly, he is LISTENING. In her acceptance today, she emphasized that public representatives have forgotten that they are chosen to SERVE THE PEOPLE. This framing of the issue: we are here to FIGHT FOR YOU, is exactly why Hillary appealed to the rust belt. She emphasized her (and her husband’s) union affiliations, and her bipartisan record. I think it’s brilliant: they have taken Obama’s message of change, and yanked the rug right out from under him. He talks about it: they have both actually done it.
On a sad note: I was walking into a bank, and an AA woman was ahead of me, and I felt sad. Why did the DNC do this? We could have had 16 years of Dem controlled government if Obama had not been so greedy. Hillary was ready and had earned the position–it’s so obvious with her record and depth of knowledge. Obama could have learned and matured as VP. Now, of course, we know his true character and it’s irrelevant, but in forcing an unnatural solution on us, they are going to lose both, and have put us in this difficult position. He then added insult to injury by not even considering her as VP. McCain seized on this opportunity and that is smart. I am deeply saddened that Hillary is not going to be the one to break through this barrier, but as Palin acknowledged today, it would not have been possible without HRC’s example.
heh, the trolls are nervous.
Hillblazer, Im pissed too.
The Dems f-ed up big-time and this doesn’t bring HRC back, no way, no how.
But McCain/Palin will be a revenge, not a respect vote.
Sh is just as qualified as Tim Kaine, and all the serious people in the media thought he would be a great choice
Challenging Palin’s …experience? They’re kidding, non?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/hahaha-obama-questions-palinsexperience-excuse-me-glass-houses/
Whatever boomer. I posted a different comment on the other thread, which someone quite rudely edited. Not sure why–I have been posting here for a long time, albeit only intermittently.
Please don’t suggest that I’m an Obama cultist simply because I don’t like McCain’s idiotic VP choice.
Don, when you have a uterus, get back with me, until then. . .
Hey, the bot trolls have changed tactics – they now are posing as Republicans thanking us for helping their evil neo-con cause!
LMAO!!!!! Us old fag hag bitter biddies did not just fall off a turnip truck, Josh.
Hillblazer–you are so transparent. Nice try. I can see you have gotten your new talking points already and are making an effort. Good for you.
WMCB, I saw, that is why I said, they are nervous…they should not, the convention was the bestest ever and now we are all united …to infinity and beyond.
Funny how the McCain trolls insult anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
Hillblazer, who is this “we” you keep referring to? I don’t see anyone here agreeing with you.
A woman on B0’s ticket other than Hillary would have been an insult. From McCain- it’s vindication. Sweet, sweet vindication!
Palin opposes same-sex marriage, but approved same-sex benefits.
Palin….no choice at all.
The Republicans are happy to pick up those voters that Obama and the DNC threw away.
Very shrewd choice by McCain.
Josh
Don’t forget to send that letter to Dena, Pelosi and Obama. THEY are really the ones you want to be thanking.
Thanks Charles–I’ll hop over as soon as get out of work (where I’m lurking right now–bad, bad employee.)
Realkim, that’s not the case…Obama’s experience is pathetic, and pales next to what Hillary would have offered. But he’s miles ahead of Palin, who literally has no foreign policy experience whatsoever.
The Kaine analogy is spot-on–Kaine would have been a terrible VP pick too.
I’m pleased that McCain met with PUMA’s and listened to our concerns. And he acted on them too.
The podium said “country first”
Palin asked for my vote
Palin paid tribute to Gerry and Hillary
Palin has a solid record of accomplishment
Nobody, but nobody is going to tell her to shut up and sit down.
CAROL……Hillary chose to back Obama and the DNC. She can raise her own funds. She will get my vote, but not another dime.
So, Obama’s in a pissing match with Palin because his IL senate district was bigger then Palin’s small town?
That just means there were more freezing constituents in IL than in Alaska.
Then that makes her PRO-CHOICE.
I would never dream of having an abortion myself, but I want that option open for ALL WOMEN who may in fact need it in a safe, legal matter. It’s a decision that should remain between a woman and her doctor. NO ONE ELSE.
edge, I’m referring to Democrats who supported Hillary. Not as many of us here anymore, as this place is increasingly full of trolls for McCain and Obama.
LJ over @ noquarter made a great post on this. Definitely worth the read!
LJ – 8/29/08
I never realized how shrewd and smart John McCain could be. In selecting Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, as his running mate he dared the Democrats to make the case, as they have, that she’s not qualified because she “lacks foreign policy experience.” He understands that when the media decides to investigate Governor Palin they will be forced to conclude that she actually has more foreign policy experience than Obama. As Susan pointed out below, she was in Germany visiting wounded troops long before Barack sought to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. She is a Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard and those troops have been in combat.
So, if you are running Barack’s campaign, you don’t want to renew the focus on your own candidate’s zero experience as an elected executive do you? Oh hell yes. Clueless to the concept of irony the Barack team is trying to attack Palin’s “paltry” experience. They did this with a straight face. Did anyone think to check Barack Obama’s resume? As the media starts asking questions of Palin, which they have refused to ask of Barack, the discrepancy will become apparent and Barack will find himself in the spotlight. If the standard applies to Palin it must apply to Barack. Unlike Obama, Palin actually knows something about balancing a budget, getting the streets fixed, getting the trash picked up, and going after corrupt politicians and lobbyists.
Barack? Hell, he funneled money to the likes of Tony Rezko and did nothing to ensure that constituents in his district living in sub-standard housing were protected. And Barack’s one foray into “management” as the lackey of Bill Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge will be shown to have been a corrupt, insider trading scheme in which he helped steer money to cronies and ignored genuine education reform. That’s why is campaign is fighting so viciously to keep the media from looking at that part of his cuddling with unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.
Well said!!
McCain-Palin ‘08 is a great change and reform ticket for America!
Wideawake,
It sucks that Obama got owned on identity politics. Hey, he’s the one who wanted to play the game to begin with though.
Ignore the trolls. Please.
I think this thread needs some serious DDT
Wide awake: wow, the trolls have obviously been giving extra bonus pay to swarm the sites today. You talk, I hear: yap yap yap yap.
I’m a stronger feminist than you could ever dream about being, but I can see the forest for the trees. So many of these issues are beyond any single policy position. Democracy for starters. I will not vote for an opportunistic lying hypocritical phony–period. He is illegitimate, as Gary said. Bottom line.
LOL! I was just going to say: “At least in Alaska they had heat.”
Oops, my comment with a link is in moderation. If it could be fished out, I’d appreciate it.
I sure don’t like all of her convictions, but
Palin is not that big of a deciding factor for me.
McCain already had my vote, as soon as Obama claimed the nomination.
I will vote McCain because Obama is an unqualified liar.
HillBlazer: Many of us have stated that we still may not vote for McCain, just down ticket Dems, but that we would never vote for Obama.
Palin on the ticket is bittersweet, it should be HRC for President. I just don’t see why now, you would vote for Obama, nothing has changed, nothing at all. The race is still the same. It is Obama v. McCain. So why would you all of sudden vote Obama?
PUMAs, isn’t it hilarious that suddenly the trolls are so concerned about women’s rights and the anniversary of sufferage. They’re also big HRC fans now too. LOL!
Add to the theme song library:
Heart, “Barracuda”
Palin isn’t running for President, she’s running for Vice President.
The experience of a VP candidate is less important than the experience of a Presidential candidate.
sm77
Palin is NOT pro-choice.
Which is a drag, but we’ll take her for now.
Hillblazer
Last I heard this site was about respecting peoples right to choose what strategy they prefer. It’s rude to call people trolls simply because you disagree with their happiness over McCain’s choice. You may not like Palin(and you are certainly entitled). That said, people that do like her can be happy that McCain made it that much easier to pull the lever for him(and against Obama).
I have cried many tears over the last few months and in particular over the last few days coming to the realizaiton that HIllary Clinton would not only not be our next POTUS, and was not even being considered for the #2 slot. I AM crushed!
However, my support of Hillary Clinton “as a female candidate” was only part of her appeal to me. I supported her because of her long-standing positions on policy, health care, economics combined with her scorching intelligence and sheer guts.
I do believe that the democratic party made a mistake in not choosing her.
Having said all that, I think the selection of Sarah Palin a cynical choice at best. You are being manipulated by the Republicans. Sure, I want to see more women hold high positions in government, but I don’t want to see ANY women in these positions if she is not qualified (Much like choosing Obama because of his race). And, more importantly, she is a very conservative women at that. I don’t share any of her positions and cringe at the thought of her ideas about womens rights.
In short…SHE AIN’T NO HILLARY!
Don, if you have one you should know-uterus can’t talk.
Unless the President is an ancient person with recurrent cancer. Then it’s crucial that the VP can fill the role of President.
myiq, unless you need gravitas, like in the case of O.
FLVoter: Hear,hear!!
A prez and vp who want to put uteruses under protective custody is GOOD for women? I’m furious about the dem primary debacle but I will never support this ticket.
And Don, you’re not helping. Provoking and sirring up animosity are not the way to persuade people.
Amen, Charles~!
Denver? Denver? Denver was so last night.
LMAO!
wow. I was absolutely not voting for McCain (alhough the PUMA hate was making me think of doing so just out of spite). This choice tells me that the John McCain who would be in the White House is the guy who ran in 2000, not the guy who has been running for the GOP nomination for the last 8 years by being a party loyalist.
If McCain follows through, and doesn’t sound like a right-wing joke at the convention, I think he could easily win this election.
Obamanation was really caught with their pants down on this one.
It’s taken a couple hours for them to get their talking points out to the trolls. Usually they are much quicker.
Earlier they were just jabbering incoherently, now they all have cookie cutter “opinions” that they are spouting
Charles, I’m so glad you’re here. Your posts are so informative. Thank you.
New troll flavors:
I am shocked that you …
I am so bummed about Palin …
I am so bummed, I’ll stay home
Roe vs. Wade, Roe vs. Wade ..
Just because she’s a woman …
You are disloyal to Hillary …
My best favorite is the “Imitation Old Lady Troll” but that falls under Troll Classic, not new flavor;
Did I get ‘em all?
“Unless the President is an ancient person with recurrent cancer.”
I find your comment discusting and offensive.
As far as trolls go, all I see is people attacking yet another women candidate, just of a different party.
As far as hoping God will help us see the light, I believe in helping ourselves. I don’t know if God will, but I for sure know the current friggin Democratic Party won’t help women.
HillBlazer, on August 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm Said:
“Palin has no experience.”
She has more than Obama, and he wants to be President.
Get your logic right.
Barky has resorted to “mine is bigger than yours? ”
This is exactly what Bill Clinton was referring to with candidate X and Y. Thank you Bill, we’ll take the one we agree with half the time.
McCain/Palin 08
catarina
Sigh. Choice is the one area I disagree with her. I do respect her though because she at least is someone who exercises her principles. She chose to have her child with Downs syndrome. I am trying to figure out if she is fully opposed to abortion for rape or incest victims. I’ve heard conflicting accounts. I’m hoping she isn’t rabid anti choice.
Hi Paul!
I haven’t seen you since Lambert banned me from Corrente
This choice tells me that the John McCain who would be in the White House is the guy who ran in 2000, not the guy who has been running for the GOP nomination for the last 8 years by being a party loyalist.
That’s exactly the message I got. Once he is in, he will most likely not seek a second term and will be beholden to no one and can let the maverick rip.
WE had the most qualified, most gifted, most voted for in any primary history SOLD ANMD BARTERED by the DNC.
Sarah Palin, many Hill supporters may vote for you, so mad props to you…but Hillary’s going to KICK YOUR AZZ in 2012. Just keep it in the back of your mind.
Sarah
We are well aware she isn’t Hillary. That said, she is an excellent choice for the GOP and I am looking forward to hearing more about her.
“Also, the standard Dem. response is to try to paint this as a desperation move by comparing Palin to Quayle (won’t work, Quayle was just a freakin’ idiot) and get this, Gerry Ferraro.”
How about Palin challenges Obama to a round of “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader” and then sends her youngest daughter to kick his ass. Hilarity ensues as the kid corrects O on the number of states and he desperately asks to phone a friend: “I’ve got George in DC on standby. Together we can!”
Hmmm, so Gov Palin ran a state while pregnant? Heh, Let’s see Obama/Biden top that one, lol!~ Especially with her approval ratings. {grin}
parentofed-You are allowed to think that the Democratic Party is not for women….but don’t dare try to think it is the Republican Party.
Poor BO fantatics. Sounds like they’ve got a few thistles stuck in their crowns. O deary me.
She opposed the ban on arial wolf hunting but all in all a brilliant choice.
I have new found respect for the McCain campaign.
The trolls are talking issues? Issues? It’s funny what bringing a woman back into the picture can do.
Palin said it was a personal choice. Which means, “I’m not for it, but whatever.”
As long as she’s not a rabid lunatic about it, WE ARE COOL.
We must make sure that Down ticket DEMS get voted in – EXCEPT for the OBAMA abetters, Pelosi, Dean, et al.
waving at paul lukasiak
….of her in the past but I looked at my google searches to see what terms people were looking for and I saw one that read “sarah palin naked.” Just sick.
Yes Charles that is sick. As if they cannot make a decision about her until they see her naked. I hate when I get horrible google searches too.
Trolls — no, leave them around, it gives me great joy to see them crapping bricks.
The DNC so freakin’ screwed themselves. I almost feel bad for Obama. (no, not really, but I would if he hadn’t let himself be used for the Avatar of Ridding the Party of Those Nasty Working Class, Female, and Real Democrats from the Party).
Ooo, she played the flute — so did I. Well, since my identity politics is all about musical instruments, McCain gets my vote.
Wasn’t there a troll around last night celebrating schadenfreude? Well buddy, this is it, are you happy now?
Charles
She sounds like an interesting woman. Do you know if she is vehemently anti choice? Thanks in advance.
catarina-And we know that McCain always speaks the truth. I don’t think so.
I am over the top happy with McCain’s choice.
Edgeoforever had it right. Sweet vindication indeed!!
“Then it’s crucial that the VP can fill the role of President.”
it’s also generally considered crucial that the President can fill the role of President, unfortunately our party seems to ahve forgotten that. If Biden is sufficient to babysit Obama, then even if Palin is as unqualified as Obama, she’s probably pretty fully capable of picking a more experienced VP should the need arise.
Do trolls know what issues are?
“Dude! I just got the latest issue of Spiderman!”
I don’t put the names of trolls when I post, since I think that’s how they get paid, but
Troll: Don’t ever tell me what I dare to think.
Cwaltz
If I happen upon any good info I will post it here.
This is a real issue for me, I have fought for privacy and reproductive freedom for women for 26 years.
It’s a huge, deep, complex issue that I can’t ignore.
And I’ve said it before-I feel betrayed by a woman
who would think that a person or institution had the right to
insert themselves into something so very personal.
It would have been easier for me to vote for that a**hole
Romney-I expect him to be a jerk about this stuff.
I guess I set the bar higher for women and perhaps that is wrong.
This is great for McCain, though, and I intend to enjoy the fun as the Obots get their asses kicked.
McCain camp pushes back: More qualified than ObamaMcCain aide Jill Hazelbaker:
It is pretty audacious for the Obama campaign to say that Governor Palin is not qualified to be Vice President. She has a record of accomplishment that Senator Obama simply cannot match. Governor Palin has spent her time in office shaking up government in Alaska and actually achieving results — whether it’s taking on corruption, passing ethics reform or stopping wasteful spending and the ‘bridge to nowhere.’ Senator Obama has spent his time in office running for president.
valhalla
You mean the schadenfreude troll who said he liked to come here because it was like drinking beer while sitting next to the bug zapper?
And you know, she has two years of executive experience running a state. It may not be much, but it seems like it shakesdown to be a little bit more than 4 years as one of 100 Senators when you don’t do anything and started running for President the day you got there. Our Senators referred to Obama on background as a “dillettante,” then endorsed him anyway. Do Palin’s coworkers have an equally low opinion of her competence?
Valhalla
Isn’t it funny? The whole entire friggin primary we said give us substance on issues like health care, women’s rights, energy, economy and we got told to pack sand because Obama was bigger than all of those issues he’d bring CHANGE and it’d be transformational to have a black man in the WH. Well, DNC look what you wrought. The GOP can do change to and they bring about the transformational woman in the WH argument(which by the way is a large voting block). In poker terms the GOP just upped your ante.
More seriously, I thinkt the fact that even the Democrats are trying to make the conversation about the experience of the VP pick versus the Presidential nominee means they’ve already lost the battle, and the war.
Gawd, they just can’t get it right.
Hey, I’ll bet if Keith tries to do the Hate Women Frat Club thing on Palin, she just might walk in & kick his big ol flabby a**. She could do it, too, I’m betting.
Of course, Keith isn’t looking too good lately; hate and lies are not good for the body, mind, or soul.
Palin is a creditable choice and will bring to Washington her devotion to being a servant of the people not a celebrity . All this and she’s a woman – thanks McCain for making my choice in November so easy.
McCain/Palin – 2008
Just when I was thinking that there was no reason for me to read the political blogs anymore….. lol.
For the following comment over at TM I was called both a Republican and a defector:
The Obama campaign’s remark about Palin being an ex-mayor of a small town is interesting in several ways.
Remember the trouncing Obama took about labeling small town folks as (paraphrase) “bitterly clinging to guns and religion.”? Re-run. Are they that arrogant or do they just not learn from mistakes? I’ve never seen a candidate so willing to disparage the voters he needs.
Second, while they’re trying to scare people by saying she’s a heartbeat from the Presidency, I think they made a tactical error by posing the statement as if McCain/Palin have already won.
And finally, and where they really blew it: now the door is wide open for the Repubs to say the Dems have nominated an ex-community organizer.
Really, in this case restraint would have been a wiser choice.
*****
The Obama campaign shoots from the hip, and I suspect their response about Palin wil have repercussions.
What a spectacle it will be to see the republicans close ranks and defend this woman from sexist attacks the way the Dem leaders should have done while Hillary was being smeared.
I for one will never forget their silence while the flames were fanned over her comment about the primary length and RFK. Even after RFK Junior tried to put that fiasco to rest, our leaders let it go on and on and on.
With McCain/Palin vote I will uphold the truth and preserve Bill Clinton’s legency of being the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT…until a Qualified Black President is elected to run this great COUNTRY
Nobama, can’t wait to go after another women. He’s a womenizer. Wake-up he must lose. Help elect JOHN MCCAIN… Hillary in 2012… YEHAAW!!!
Thank you for the wonderful post, Gary.
thanks catarina it’s an important issue for me too. It could mean the difference between giving MCCain two(since I voted Dem for Kaine and Webb) in a close state or just taking one vote away from Obama. Actually probably closer to 4 votes since hubby usually votes in lockstep.
NOBAMA.COM
Of course, that stance of Hillary’s on abortion had been Big Dawg’s – safe, legal, rare. Hillary was nice enough to credit Bill, as opposed to the ever-plagiarizing Obama and Biden.
OMG, Jeralyn has lost it. She just compared Palin to Eagleton and thinks she’ll be kicked off the ticket. God, with women like these…
How any woman OR man can be so self-righteous as to believe that
ANYONE ELSES’S reproductive system is any of their goddamned business jut blows my tiny little mind.
I’m sorry for the foul language, Charles, really I am.
And I promise I will never address you again.
Okay, they show this to middle America and it’s OVER. Watch it and feel the chills.
McCain just made a coup!
To tell a victim of rape or intcest that she must carry a child to term is BEYOND CRUEL AND BARBARIC, in my opinion.
That’s what a “Pro-life” presidency would imply.
catarina, on August 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm Said:
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catarina, stay classy.
Charles, ignore the low-information voters.
an anti choice,gun nut hunter,??????????/
catarina, on August 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm Said:
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1)Roe-vs-Wade has stood in place for 30 years.
2)Should have considered that when you supported obama and his race-baiting, hurtful ways.
Safe, legal and rare has been Hillary’s stance on abortion, so I’m not understanding the need to call Charles names for repeating it.
cells that cannot exist outside of a woman’s body should not have legal rights, or be “saved” even if the mother (host, whatever you want to call “it”) may die as a result.
And I’m no conservative but that was good.
I think the discourage it, means the pregnancy, not the abortion. The abortion is there if needed, but try to make it not needed. The opposite would be to encourage abortion, meaning to discourage birth control, which is somewhat crazy, because who really wants an abortion? It sounds like it is close to shaming, but to me it is not, I understand what is being said. Discourage a pregnancy, and the abortion will not be necessary, but have abortion available because things don’t always work out how we wish.
I have to say- what a pleasant surprise from McCain!
I am one of those life long Democrats who was going to write Hillary’s name in because I didn’t trust Obama or McCain and know that Hillary is the best candidate of either party to take on the Presidency.
This pick by McCain has caused me to re-consider voting for McCain. I heard Palin speak and I was impressed. I don’t agree with all her positions, but there was something very genuine about her, something very honest about her that I find very appealing. Her being a woman is also a huge factor for me personally.
So this pick by McCain is seriously causing me to consider voting for him and Palin in Nov. I never would have thought I would ever vote for a Republican ticket in my life….but the Democratic Party has disappointed me so much- I don’t recognize it anymore….
I do not support Obama.
I am Hillary all the way.
Obama sucks and I wouldn’t vote for him if SATAN was the republican veep!
Jim, on August 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm Said:
McCain: Forget Romney, get me a woman. What woman? It doesn’t matter, just grab any of them! You saw the nuts at our Hillary Happy Hour, they’re so spiteful that you could pick an anti-abortion, pro-capital punishment creationist like Palin and we’d get their vote!
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Brazile: Forget Hillary, get me a black guy. What black guy? It doesn’t matter, just grab any of them! You saw the nuts at our Rev Wright’s Happy Hour, they’re so spiteful that you could pick an anti-FISA, pro-offshore drilling, pro-Cheney energy bill like Bush and we’d get their vote!
Charles thanks
Hopefully we’ll learn more. With the HHS hullaboo over calling birth control an abortion I think it is important, as a women’s rights advocate, to see if she is extreme or if she is just someone who personally opposes it and would like to see the numbers on it go down. I was pleased to see her shout out to Hillary and Ferraro. It shows she respects people regardless of their political affiliation. So far, she impresses me and I’m not easily impressed.
McCain completely faked out Obamanation. They were all set to go after Pawlenty or Romney, and they had nothing ready for Palin.
They were probably over at Charle’s blog doing research.
“gun nut”
First, I’m a progressive.
But, I am a STRONG believer in the United States Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
Right to bear arms is a large part of that history.
It’s an important right. I do not own a gun, but I do not trust a government that would bar me from owning one.
You should too.
I’m thrilled, and who wouldn’t be? It wasn’t enough for the DNC to defraud the members of their own party and elevate a handpicked, empty windbag full of platitudes to be the Democratic nominee. They had to bash the best candidate to come along in decades, Hillary Clinton, and tell her supporters to get lost.
Never in my life have I voted for a Republican but I will enthusiastically cast my vote for McCain/Palin in November.
Gary,
I agree with everything you wrote 100%.. Thank you!
Erica: the fake RFJ assassination smear against Hillary was probably the lowest, filfhiest attack I’ve ever seen on a candidate in my life. That it was done to a Democrat by a fellow Democrat, and and aided and abetted by the media at high pitch only made it more shameful. I was so grateful to RFJ jr for the defense, but it didn’t dent the hate.
The only smear that came close was the McCain fathering a black baby smear that came in SC. Kerry dealt with his smear by leading the smear campaign against Hillary, McCain dealt with his by running a tough but clean primary.
Why are we still bothering to defend ourselves on anything with BO supporters? It’s laughable that they feel entitled to such. Then again, “entitlement” fits their guy to a tee.
Stop with the ABORTION issue. It’s nolonger a wedge issue. The GOP had the Presidency, and both houses and didn’t over turn Roe V Wade. It won’t be overturned and I can’t see women the barer’s of life arguing the issue of aborting baby without SHAME. All democrats women are not for aborting babies and all conservative against abortion are not against your choice to abort babies, they just don’t support it
Caught flat-footed? Yes, indeedy.
Obama, Dean and Pelosi assume that all Americans are as stupid as loopy liberals and Obamabots.
Palin called Hillary a whiner:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190
I am damned sure I don’t agree with that assessment.
I’m with you on Obama messing it up for us. He should have chose Hillary as his running mate and made at least an attempt to reach out to Hillary’s supporters. A private meeting with PUMA at the convention would have been the right thing to do. But as a hard core feminist, I can’t get behind Palin. One, its a cheap attempt to undercut the democrats and if we fall for it as feminists we suck. two this choice shows you how bad the republicans are on women’s issues. They didn’t have any other women then this complete unknown. at least the democrats have at least ten high profile, powerful women other then Hillary.–and here is the comment that is going to piss some people off, but its the truth. what is a woman her age doing having a child, we all know that the older you are, the more likely your child will be born with birth defects. be responsible, and don’t get pregnant after you know its not safe. This is coming from a woman whose mom had a baby to late in life and now my deaf/mute, mentally challenged brother lives with me and my new husband.
Catarina: That is Hillary’s stance on abortion, not Charles or anyone elses-its Hillary’s.
destardi – I’m in agreeance with you on the gun issue.
arrgggg
I don’t want to be OT or ruin anyone’s fun over the VP pick.
For some good info on pregnancy and birth control see Hillpac.com
McCain08 but not jumping up and down.
I respect people who, based upon religious convictions, think abortion is wrong.
But I am pro-choice.
As I mentioned in the last thread, I’m just wishing we could do the Democratic Convention roll-call over again since the choice of Palin. Might be different!
I’m so enjoying the Bots’ fear!
Fox pushing Palin’s undersanding of middle class, etc. The keep talking to Gerry. She says it’s historic, of course.
Hillary 2012
randomacts, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pm Said:
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Obama is a democrat. Obama race-baited two of the finest civil rights/human rights Dem leaders in recent history.
Palin is a republican; it’s her JOB to dis dems.
McCain-Palin08
Hillary2012
Hillblazer,
Pahlin as governor of Alaska is the commander for the National Guard for Alaska and she has a son that is going to Iraq on 9-11 this year. I would not say that she has no experience.
I’ve got news for the Dems, I didn’t agree with everything Hillary wanted to do. So there, I got no problem with looking at Palin’s record and voting for her even if I don’t agree with everything.
Arabella Trefoil, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pm Said:
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From your posts, that sits very comfortably with me
The anti-abortion crowd has 5 votes on SCOTUS
That’s all they need to overturn Roe.
They haven’t done it, have they?
Oh, like when the next time Palin periodically feels blue?
I’ll say it again – Biden will do an Eagleton. Remember I said this the day his nomination was announced.
Gerry again talking about PUMA!
Hillary 2012
You holdouts for John ‘Saint” McCain make the 9/11 Truthers look reasonable.
Hey PUMA’s – you don’t know what it means to put this country first and certainly no idea what it means to be a Democrat. You’re worse than Republicans – dead enders. See ya in January when this nation has elected Obama our President.
jim I cannot have an abortion and I don’t support it either. I am a democrat. I have always beleieve that god gave women the gift that only he could do. thats bring LIFE into this world. He pick them because he knew the majority would make the right choice. The scare tactic of whether the gop is going to allow them to abort baies is just that a scare tactic and the many many democrat women that i ve talk with says it’s NO LONGER a wedge issue
And I am sorry, Charles.
I am having a “democracy is dead” nervous breakdown right now.
I’d be glad to discuss this with you at another time if you like
and there are some things that may interest you about Hillpac’s work that I can share.
destardi
ROFLMAO
WOOT!
I expect the Obama staff to start going through the Palins’ garbage in hope they’ll discover a bottle they forgot to recycle.
If Palin called Hillary a whinner, then thank god. She didn’t call her a racist, and despise her like Obama
catarina, the problem is though, they’ve got a 5-4 majority, and thanks to us, they’re going to have it for a long, long time. The train has already left the station, unless you trust Kennedy to trust the line, which yeah no, i don’t. If they’re going to overturn it, nothing can stop them.
Bill Clinton was a young “inexperienced” Governor from a small state too.
In fact, didn’t he talk about that during his speech the other night?
Geraldine Ferraro was just interviewed via phone by Fox again, and again referenced what she has heard from PUMAs lately, and speculated on how we would vote. She called a write-in for Hillary a vote for McCain. Thought the undecided ones might now go for McCain-Palin.
WOW!! You know for weeks I’ve been wondering if McCain would have the courage to pick a woman, but I was thinking more along the lines of Christine Todd Wittman (sp?). Palin opposes abortion and her husband is in oil (ugh) but I think it’s really funny for Pelosi to complain that the VP is “next in line” and Palin lacks experience!
Maybe we should have a Biden/Palin ticket?
All I can say is YIPPEE – and I can’t think of a single issue on which McCain and I agree.
Arabella:
WTF is wrong with Jeralyn?
Does that woman even have a vagina?
They’re not killing Roe because without it no one really gets fired up. It’s an eternal wedge and it’s going nowhere, count on that. At least not as long as Hillary’s hanging round the Senate. i trust divided government now. I trust John McCain to talk with Hillary when there are over aisle issues he doesn’t understnad, I trust her to keep him in line.
Maybe I’ve made her bigger than she is. Can’t say.
okay just watched the Palin videoclip that someone referenced. I like her. I agree with everything she said. But I still think women should listen to their biological clocks, we are not an endless source for babies and all these drugs that women are taking to have babies is bad for our health and our children. Do some research on it. I don’t she should have aborted her child, but she shouldn’t have gotten pregnant in the first place.
It was Hillary’s time and what the DNC did to her has build up an explosive political well spring…. today JM tapped into it with a viable woman VP and now whooosh!! …..Thar she blows!
It total changes this whole thing.
The current Dem DO NOT fight for the transitional Dem issues …. they cave in every time with increasing speed …..so tell me why must I back them again ??
pbriggsiam, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm Said:
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So be it. I’ll be a “dead ender” who votes McCain/Palin08. Congratulations!
Regency – WOW!
School started early for Obama. It’s going to be one painful lesson after another until McCain’s inauguration in November!
Myiq: I respect people who, based upon religious convictions, think abortion is wrong.
But I am pro-choice.
Me, too. I am a Christian, not all of us are anti-choice. If it comes to a clear battle, I will continue to fight for pro-choice. I don’t see it as endangered anytime soon, at least on a federal level. I don’t trust ObamaTwoSides at all. I think when the Repubs picked McCain, they admitted this will not be a fight issue, because it is not for him.
Leilah – Women come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and backgrounds just as men do. I don’t agree with many of Palin’s beliefs but that doesn’t alter the fact that McCain showed respect for all Americans by elevating a woman to high office. Obama and the DNC dragged Hillary through the mud, stole her delegates, and relegated her to the status of a third class citizenship along with her supporters. Is that statement about women worthy of your vote?
Seriously
I don’t like where Obama is at on this very important issue either
and I don’t give a rat’s behind if NARAL endorsed him.
I am in no way suggesting that anyone should go over to the dark side because Palin is pro-life.
I will vote Mccain and my mind was already made up.
And now there’s Mr. Palin to look at-built in anesthesia.
Obama would stab women in the back on this issue in a second.
Oh, right-he already has!
Leihah said:
“I’m with you on Obama messing it up for us. He should have chose Hillary as his running mate and made at least an attempt to reach out to Hillary’s supporters. A private meeting with PUMA at the convention would have been the right thing to do. But as a hard core feminist, I can’t get behind Palin. ”
>>Obama does not believe that women are equal to men. It’s obvious in his behavior. Why do you care what he does?
“One, its a cheap attempt to undercut the democrats and if we fall for it as feminists we suck.”
>>Cheap, LOL, How like a woman to cut down another women accomplishments. As for McCain’s astute political sense, you betcha. If we get a qualified female in the White House this way, who are you to complain.
” two this choice shows you how bad the republicans are on women’s issues. They didn’t have any other women then this complete unknown. at least the democrats have at least ten high profile, powerful women other then Hillary.–and here is the comment that is going to piss some people off, but its the truth. what is a woman her age doing having a child, we all know that the older you are, the more likely your child will be born with birth defects. be responsible, and don’t get pregnant after you know its not safe. This is coming from a woman whose mom had a baby to late in life and now my deaf/mute, mentally challenged brother lives with me and my new husband.”
>> I can’t even believe you said this. If you not an Obot I am shocked. this is so stupid a comment. Just because you don’t know any power Repub women doen’t mean there aren’t any. It just means you are uninformed.
“what is a woman her age doing having a child”
Not just a child–a girl child! O NOES!
It’s good to welcome the “hardcore feminists” to the thread. lol
I have a feeling that Senator Clinton and Govenor Palin could sit down together and work out great things for this country across party lines.
Both women have experience raising families, working in politics against great odds and wanting the best for the people of their states and the country.
There is already great respect between Senator Clinton and Senator McCain .
As Gov Palin and Sen Clinton get to know one another I think there will be respect there too.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
PUMAs, we have a lot of work to do.
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I say I feel that all the energy was put to good use! Hillary was THE BEST CANDIDATE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A WOMAN. SHE OUT DID HIM IN THE PRIMARIES AND HIS EGO WAS JUST TOO BIG TO EVEN CONSIDER HER FOR HIS VP.
I am glad that what we did had an impact for WOMEN! John McCain has big enough ideas to think that WOMEN too can be leaders in AMERICA!
I don’t agree with some issues but I like that she is tough and that others notice that and acknowledge that too.
I don’t have enough data to form an opinion. I do, however have enough data to conclude that she does not have a brain.
I don’t she should have aborted her child, but she shouldn’t have gotten pregnant in the first place.
I knew I wasn’t the only one who thought she was saying some weird stuff. Like the above, what the hell is that? Who are we to tell a woman when she shouldn’t get pregnant. That’s not feministic either.
HillPAc will have to wait. I am not certain it wouldn’t be used to feed the Obama campaign. After the cycle is over I’ll have plenty of time to give.
Regency, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm , I trust her to keep him in line. Maybe I’ve made her bigger than she is. Can’t say
If you have, it’s only because she’s all we got. And I hate to say it , but Hill would have more pull with a McCain POTUS than Barry.
I have always thought of myself as a feminist. IMO, choice is exactly what it implies, whether you suport abortion or not, it is your choice, not something that is dictated to you. However, I will say this much, using abortion as birth control is not something I advocate.
Reflection on the obvious, or another reason why Gov. Palin was such a great pick:
Every time the Obama Campaign or the MSM attacks Palin (like John Roberts CNN just questioning how she’ll have time to raise a Downs Syndrom Child while working as Vice-President – like she has more time now working as Governor of a state?), again,
Every time they attack Palin unfairly, because she is a woman, we will be reminded of how they attacked Hillary, and that will fire us up, make us more disaffected, and more resolved to prevent Obama bin Biden from becoming President/Vice-President than ever before.
Hell hath no fury…
DNC – you idiots!
sally, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pm Said:
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Yes…she was in Germany visiting wounded soldiers.
Unlike obama.
Sally yes she has, she actually visited those soldiers in Germany. Remember, the ones Obambi wrote off because there was no photo opp?
Regency, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
exactly…it’s about choice right? that cuts both ways
I’m horrified by the laudatory voices in this comments thread. Expressing admiration for the McCain-Palin ticket seems contrary to any progressive values.
Sarah Palin has accomplished many good things in Alaska–like government reforms, tax decreases and infrastructure repairs. However, there is so much cause for dismay. She is personally opposed to any gay rights, and the only reason she allowed domestic partner benefits in Alaska was because her advisers told her a ban would be challenged on constitutional grounds. In accordance with these views, she supports Alaska’s constitutional ban on gay marriage. Like most Republicans, she strongly opposes abortion but equally supports capital punishment. Her record on the environment is abysmally, which is why I’m confused sm77 praised her as an environmentalist. She fought tooth-and-nail to keep polar bears off an endangered animals list and she supports oil development in Alaska.
It is true that she brings much to the ticket from the perspective of the Republican Party: conservatives and evangelicals love her [a point McCain surely understood when making his choice, since he is performing poorly among the latter group]. Palin is outside the Beltway, and she can generate an excitement that has been lacking in the McCain campaign.
Of course, there is also the point to be made that McCain is using Sarah Palin in an opportunistic way. As Melissa McEwan wrote in the comments thread at Shakesville: “[It makes me ] sick because Clinton got beat to fuck against that glass ceiling until she was black and blue only for the fucking REPUBLICANS to make use of her sacrifice, while the Democrats gave us a total DIPSHIT who made fun of his wife being educated in his acceptance speech.” After all the hard work progressives and Hillary Clinton have done to break the glass ceiling, McCain took credit for breaking it today. As the post says, McCain is listening–but, he’s co-opting the hard work of another in an attempt to shore up the strength of the Republican Party.
I think it’s disingenuous to imply that he actually CARES about the voices of Hillary supporters. [I notice, incidentally, that garychapelhill stops just short of saying McCain actually cares.] Both are pro-life, he vetoed equal pay legislation, both oppose gay rights, both offer half measures for the environment.
Truth be told, I am disheartened by this show of support. While I don’t consider myself a PUMA, I often read this blog and acknowledge the validity of the PUMA view point. However, I’m left confused wondering how the very genuine protest of the Democratic Party, its leadership and its values have translated into such full-throated support of a ticket that stands diametrically opposed to progressive values.
Oh man, today is McCain’s birthday and Palin’s 20th wedding anniversary. They own the day.
TheRealKim: Well said.
ROTFLMAO!!! I am SO laughing my ass of that now, NOW the Obots are suddenly so very concerned about womens issues.
And they have the audacity to couple their newfound concern for women with tell ing us that McCain picking Palin is just a cynical political ploy….
Oh, sweet irony, I am going to piss my old biddy pants….
Oh please, if the Clintons come back, they’re helping them.
As an African-American woman, I think you are right on the money!!! Obama, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazille, and the like have proven to be a blight on the democratic party. Their hatred of the Clintons spurred them to push forward an unqualified candidate by any means necessary, hoping to use his race as a crutch which I find unbelievably insulting. Had the superdelegates had some of Hillary’s balls and chosen the more electable candidate, it would be and no-brainer–we would have won. Instead, their cowardice has handed the presidency to McCain on a silver platter.
In his choice of Palin, McCain has proven to be more shrewd than I ever could have imagined in year when deck was stack against him. Kudos to him!
McCain ‘08
Hillary ‘12!!!!
Here’s the thing: It’s very, very important to have women in our government. Research shows that in order for women to approach having equal rights in a society, they have to comprise at least 30% of the government. In fact, Rwanda’s government implemented a law that mandated that this number be achieved. They now have the largest female majority of any country in the world.
Can you believe it, Rwanda is more enlightened than we are in this manner?
Perhaps with more women in the national spotlight, this type of legislation might become possible in America as well.
Obama nearly voted for the anti-choicer Judge Roberts on to the Supreme Court, he doesn’t give a stuff about women’s reproductive rights.
People keep talking about issues as if the disgusting misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton, and by extension all US women, during the primaries wasn’t a political issue. I guess it’s not an issue if you’re a man but for many women it’s time to say we will not tolerate it anymore. The Dems deserve severe punishment for the woman-hatred they have displayed this election, and very astutely McCain provided an opportunity for them to receive it.
Congress has to approve these judges by votes so if Roe V Wade is overturned thank you local representive. Hey lets stop this nosense they will never have the votes in a democratic control congress.
Lets all celebrate the week of women suffage we have a women in the ROLE of VP. The DNC and Obama turned down the BEST women but I will not punish another qualified women the way the DNC did Hillary
Cwaltz
here’s a link to a petition you might want to sign-no donation required:
http://www.hillpac.com/action/hhspetition/?sc=2494
The “pro-life” groups spout abstinence, which is not proven itself tobe ineffective.
Hillary’s PAC champions legislation that will keep bc legal and affordable-real prevention.
They also know that when the feds relabel bc as “abortifacient”
it becomes harder to obtain and afford.
What does “deadender” mean and why am I supposed to be insulted by the term?
When I go for my morning walk, I see quite a few “Obama for President” signs in front of Mc Mansions on local cul-de-sacs.
The rise and revolt of the cul-de-sacs will mean blood in the streets, so Ms. Brazille said.
Isn’t a cul-de-sac a dead end?
Regency
There are so many problems with that statement I can’t even begin to know where to start. Family planning should be personal.
Oh noes, progressive values in peril.
Late to that party, friends. They were in peril in February but you didn’t care then.
As the wise dumbasses have said…wait for it
…wait for it.
GET OVER IT!
party on fred, but don’t call it nonsense.
I just saw this at Politico:
Palin and her husband have a mortgage, an IRA, and a 401(k). One other source of outside income: “Iron Dog Race Winnings.”
Hey, she’s just like me – except for the iron dog race winnings.
catarina, I didn’t mean to suggest you were advising anyone to vote for O. I’m just pointing out that from my perspective, it’s already too late to save Roe since we rolled over and allowed Alito to replace O’Connor and threw in another young hardcore conservative for good measure. Thanks to us giving away the store yet again without a fight.
Caterina
I already signed it.
I’ve been following the issue closely. The extreme faction of the GOP will not win if I have my say.
Addendum to the comment from CNN’s John Roberts: Wasn’t it George H. W. Bush himself who said the job of Vice-President was great – “inside work, and no heavy lifting”?
I remember his words well. So, for the first time in my blogging life, this reticent, proper, well-spoken lady will ask the question of Roberts (who I used to like because I thought he was handsome and had a nice voice): W-T-F! Double WTF!
(I’ve never used WTF on a blog before, and it felt good. Don’t finger-flip either – just not in my nature. I’d rather write a wicked song parody, as some of you know.)
Palin refers to Clinton as “whining:” while Barack has said and done what in regards to Sen. Clinton?
The trolls are just stunned, shocked, angry, saddened, etc. You can tell they’re Obots, because it’s all about how they feel, just like Obama.
Sally – Where have you been? You think Obama has foreign policy experience? A trip to Berlin and a speech in front of 70,000 screaming teenagers does not give you foreign policy experience. He has been criminally negligent in his duties with regard to Afghanistan and even his running mate professed during the primaries, in no uncertain terms, that Obama was not ready to be president.
Has Palin ever even been to another country? She has absolutely zero foreign policy experience. That is a terrifying prospect in this day and age. Anyone can see that.
McCain has tons of foreign policy experience and he is at the top of the ticket. She can learn. Meanwhile the Dems insisted on placing Obama with no foreign policy experience at the TOP of the ticket and brought Biden in to strenghten it. What’s the difference here?
WMCB, I’ll assume your comment was directed at me. I actually voted for Hillary in the Pennsylvania primary, and I campaigned for her throughout the primary season. I support her even now. I am by no means an “Obot” and I resent your snide dismissal of my (very valid) comment.
PUMA
What are they blathering about? I don’t even want to click the link because the folks inhabiting Dkos these days are pretty scary.
ahazydelirium, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pm Said:
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However, I’m left confused wondering how the Democratic Party, its leadership and its values have translated into such full-throated support of a ticket that stands diametrically opposed to progressive values, such as Obama’s voting for retro-FISA, possible offshore-drilling, cheney’s energy bill, racebaiting 2 successful Dem leaders, and selecting Biden who voted for the Iraq War.
“But it is precisely the substance, not the style, of Obama’s oratory that has been winning over his audiences.”
That must be why Obots can’t come up with one reason to support Obama and don’t even know what his positions are in most cases. I never knew ‘uhhh, uhhh, uhhh, what she said” was capable of encompassing such depth and nuance.
ahazydelirium – Please read delphyne’s comment, below.
Does that help your confusion? If not, your reading comprehension needs a lot of work.
Good afternoon, folks. I just wrote today’s specials on the blackboard.
It’s a spite vote troll
Hillary’s debt troll
Beer drinker watching bug zapper troll
I’ll be back with your menus in a moment.
Palin’s negotiated over oil with Canada and won! She went to visit the troops in Germany in 2007. Come now, let’s throw out baseless accusation of inexperience where there is in fact experience.
edwardian – Answer to your question: thoroughly shafted her, figuratively speaking.
ahazydelirium, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pm Said:
I think it’s disingenuous to imply that he actually CARES about the voices of Hillary supporters
I know , but it’s less disingenuous than when Barry says it. ….oh wait, he didn’t . The DNC handed this victory to the GOP.
“But it is precisely the substance, not the style, of Obama’s oratory that has been winning over his audiences.”
Think someone has that backwards.
Actually, whatever reason got Mac to pick Palin, each time the Obam campaign attacks her lack of experience it does show up the lack of experience for Obam. We (Dems, PUMAs) would not have liked any of Mac’s VP picks. But Palin does show change from the Repub side, and there is the reality that this is the only the second VP woman candidate in US history.
Arabella Trefoil – Your troll menu is better than fresh roadkill.
Palin is standing up to the government to save/protect the Polar Bears! She specifically sites oil companies as enemies of them.
I know little of Palin but at first glance, she sure is a breathe of fresh air. This life long Dem who is no longer a dem but a Clinton Dem for life will certainly take a close look here.
Hillary – anytime we can get here is my creed. In the meantime, anything to keep BZero out of office and no votes from me for down ticket supporters. That group of thugs have got to go!
Seriously and CW
good to know people are watching this very complex and important issue
Now I guess it’s party time, because as RD would say, Obama is going to “have his ass handed to him”.
For that I will be grateful even if the devil is doing the handing.
ahazydelirium, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm Said:
Then ahazydelirium (insult? who’s delirious?!?) explain what’s worse:
a NEW act on retro-FISA, something Obama COULD have made a stand on, a NEW vote on cheney’s energy bill, which obama COULD have made a stand on, a NEW choice to racebait during the election,
or
a WELL established 30 year Roe-vs-Wade, and eventual gay rights bill.
Solipsistic arguments there “ahazydelirium”
60 democrats in the Senate, isn’t abortion safe?
Edwardian – You’ve been spending much too much time doing the Hopey Dopey with your Obama friends and not enough time reading about what took place in the Democratic Primary. Do your homework and then come back to ask questions.
edwardian: Oh, after this primary, whining is way down on the insult list for me. You, too?
Besides, I expected the Republicans to go after Hillary, that’s politics. Hillary is used to that; BrosB4Hos amid gleeful Democrat snickers, not so much.
Jim, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pm Said:
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3.5 years ago, obama started running for president. 3.5 year ago, obama was a PART-TIME local representative of the southside of chicago.
point?
As far as this “whining” thing I’d suggest watching it in context before believing what you’re told. Again, only a suggestion.
It’s at Newsweek, here, the second video. Don’t just read the article. Watch and ignore the spin.
McCain pulled a cynical political ploy? LMAO!!! Like I can’t recognize THEIR cynical and political ploy for what it is?
What’s that, bots? You are really really REALLy sincere in your sincere sincerity about womens issues? All of a sudden?
ROTFLMAO!
They are dripping sincerity. Just dripping in it.
PIMP!!! I am so loving this!
Liberty Belle not for Obama, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pm Said:
edwardian – Answer to your question: thoroughly shafted her, figuratively speaking.
Exactly. And in so many, many disrespectful ways. NOW they wanna play ‘nice’ and “I didn’t mean it – you know I love you – where ya gonna go – you’re nuthin’ without me, ya hear, nuthin’?” routine? Please.
The Obama campaign obviously didn’t have its talking points together on Palin, so they’re all over the place, mostly insulting people, somethng they’re very good at.
Regency
Wanna bet Obama’s choice of Biden goes down as one of the most boneheaded decisions ever? Today I rejoice because the Obama campaign gets to eat crow. as I said earlier, couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch.
Yes why Obama was running playing community activist,” Palin was the Mayor of a small town. beautiful, go people come from small towns
“Has Palin ever even been to another country? She has absolutely zero foreign policy experience”
Thank god Obama’s trip to Indonesia finally coms into play! I bet everyone who mocked him over that feels pretty silly now.
But I’m guess that it’s okay that he has no foreign policy experience now that he has Biden, right? Well…check it, if Obama is now golden because he has a qualified Veep, then even if Palin actually is as unqualified as Obama, she too can pick a much more experienced Veep.
It’s amazing how it all works out when logical consistency comes into play.
destardi – I love your Solipsistic comeback! Haven’t heard that one in a long time.
The blogs are a smokin’ on fire today!
My friends, sorry it’s that or ya’ll, seriously if you’re bothered by the whining remark, watch the interview I posted. It’s a way of getting to know Sarah Palin one on one.
McCain pulled a cynical ploy by meeting with PUMAs, listening to their concerns and then doing something to show that he got the message.
Bottom Line:
a.Hillary Clinton, best choice to lead, was robbed.
b.Barack Obama, with no identifiable experience, was handed the nomination.
c. By their traitorous acts, the DNC stole the primary votes and strong armed a unanimous acclimation in favor of one candidate thus overriding the will of the people.
d. This is a game of chess. The removal of the “queen” allowed the opposition to make a cynical but effective move.
e. McCain wins.
f. The DNC must pay for allowing this to happen.
So whose fault is it now, the voter who refuses to accept a corrupt outcome, or the gamers who jeopardized the race? Bad behavior should never reap the benefits of their nefarious behavior.
By his decision, McCain opened an airway for those who have been relegated to ride under the bus. So be it.
The real question is: how can the Chicago Machine now dig up all the needed dead people votes this close to the election?
That small town of Sarah’s won’t even be a drop in the bucket.
Jim, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pm Said:
2 Years ago Palin was the mayor of a town of 9,000.
Two years ago Obama was an insignificant state senator from Illinois. And he’s the one nominated for president, not Palin.
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Pat Johnson, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm Said:
Has Palin ever even been to another country? She has absolutely zero foreign policy experience. That is a terrifying prospect in this day and age. Anyone can see that.
McCain has tons of foreign policy experience and he is at the top of the ticket. She can learn. Meanwhile the Dems insisted on placing Obama with no foreign policy experience at the TOP of the ticket and brought Biden in to strenghten it. What’s the difference here?
Actually, this is not true. Palin is commander-in-chief of the Alaska national guard, which is currently fighting in Iraq. She has been to Iraq as many times as Barack Obama to visit these troops, and she has traveled to Germany to visit wounded soldiers there. Remember that Barack Obama had so little foreign policy experience that he had to stage a world tour to try and fool people. Now I am not saying that Palin has as much experience as I would like, she does not even compare to Hillary in my mind, BUT how can anyone who will vote for Obama attack Palin’s experience? If it is the “judgment” that matters, Palin’s relatively new entrance to major politics should not be an issue, she seems like a woman who gets stuff done, and if you believe that experience matters, then Obama is nowhere. A part time state senator who was in the US Senate for 1 year before he started running for President? Please, how is that any different than a woman who has been a mayor and governor for 2 years before she starts running for VP? Same difference, EXCEPT Palin is at the bottom of the ticket. You would have seen little problem with Obama and his inexperience if he was at the bottom of the ticket with Hillary or another experienced leader.
WCMB, if it were up to you, what would happen in this coming election?
I think Sarah Palin had her opinion and she wasn’t disrespectful about it. Women in politics get it hard. I think Hillary was right to point out how unfair things were. She didn’t get any backup but if she had it would have made all the difference. Maybe if she’d said something sooner but who can say?
JJ, I just pointed out, governors are not the commanders of their state’s respective National Guards, all they have is the power to request them for deployment.
Regency, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pm Said:
As far as this “whining” thing I’d suggest watching it in context before believing what you’re told. Again, only a suggestion.
It’s at Newsweek, here, the second video. Don’t just read the article. Watch and ignore the spin.
Hopefully no one’s misunderstood my earlier comment, regarding Palin’s remarks. What I was leaving open are the numerous times, occasions we’ve witnessed Barack and his gang find every which way to disrespect Senator Clinton – both the candidate and the woman. Too many to mention. So this “whining” deal PALES in comparison to the many ways in which Obama chose to demonstrate his lack of respect for his opponent – a fellow Democrat, btw.
Too much, too little, too late to every try again …
After Obama — a Democrat! — brushed Hillary off his shoulder and gave her the finger, we’re supposed to be really upset by what Palin said? Give me a break.
destardi:
My criticism of the support for the McCain-Palin ticket does not translate into support for the Obama-Biden ticket or the Democratic Party. Nowhere in my comment did I suggest the Democratic Party is the bastion of progressive ideals. I don’t believe it is. But, I would assume, that if you’re disgusted by the FISA vote, the drilling and the energy bill, you wouldn’t be supportive of another ticket that would do precisely the same thing.
madamab:
Thanks for the personal insult. I’m surprised, since i don’t often see you talk like that at TalkLeft. However, I understand the need to punish the Democratic Party. And I fully support that, which is why I stated that I’m sympathetic to the PUMA movement. However, that doesn’t answer my thought about how that (perfectly righteous) sense of outrage and abuse gets translated into support for a ticket that would further cause outrage and perpetuate those abuses.
I’m seriously not an Obot, trying to beat you over the head with Roe and shit in order to make you “see the light” that is Obama. Roe isn’t the battleground for women’s rights anymore, especially in an era when Health Departments can make “conscience exceptions” for doctors, nurses and healthcare workers. It’s more local, and the question of Roe is less relevant today than it was 15 years ago. Whether I’m going to vote for Obama is a question I’m still trying to answer. I repeat, however, my confusion: how does this anger and disenfranchisement transform into support for a ticket that doesn’t support progressive agendas? How does it help to support a ticket that will only lead to more anger and disenfranchisement?
Palin went to Germany and visited the troops. Bambi went and had a mani and pedi.
LMAO!
Jeralyn at TL has just made a fool out of herself by comparing Palin to Tom Eagleton, McGovern’s running mate, who resigned when it was learned he’d been treated for depression. Is that supposed to imply that Palin is nuts? I think Jeralyn’s thinking processes have collapsed under the social pressure of hanging out at the convention with her CDS-infected blogger buddies like Markos. Yesterday she tried to lay down new rules about criticizing The One. She’s really off her game, kind of sad, as I have always liked Talk Left.
Palin was the smart choice for McCain. It just sticks it to Obama and that makes me happy-happy. The Obamacrats didn’t realize that the Misogyny Monster was going to bite them in the butt. Oh well. Payback is a b****
Whooo now wait a minute Palin politics have some shining parts above the obvious nose ring wedgies. I’ll put Palin up against old politics Biden any day…too funny just recycle all their trash thrown at Hillary on Biden to contrast to Palin and guess what SHE wins.
Ahhhh by the way yes she was in Germany with our troops not long ago some research on Palin other than the sound bites of a male DNC and MSM is needed go look… this is who I wanted on a Republican ticket … Would be wonderful to see a Palin Clinton show down in 12………I wish I wish I wish and please
JJ: Sorry, I was attempting to answer a quote contained in the first paragraph and it I did it incorrectly. My comment begins below in paragraph 2. Sorry for the confusion.
Holy heck, they are scrambling for talking points.
I will not vote for Obama because he is unqualified to be CIC.
End of story.
I don’t care about anything the MSM says. They’ll try to divide the women’s vote by every little thing Palin may have said about Hillary, but it’s a drop in the old smear bucket compared to what the Dems said, did, condoned, or ignored.
We should vote for Obama for President because the Republican VICE presidential nominee is less qualified than he is? That is post-rational. I should be used to it by now.
Guess I still can’t stop hoping.
As much, as I want Obama to lose. I want Dean, Pelosi and Brazile to be ousted, from any position of leadership.
Given that many AA’s are voting for Obama simply because he is black, I have no problem with women voting for a woman simply because she is a woman.
I find it highly amusing the Obama campaign criticized Palin for a lack of experience….pot calling the kettle black.
Mountain Sage
And I can’t stand the thought of THIS woman getting to be the first female president. Maybe I’ll have to hold out for Chelsea.
Let me explain something to the trolls about why I hold Obama and the DNC to a higher standard than the Republicans when it comes to womens issues:
See, it’s sort of like when a dog continually lifts his leg and pisses on the corner of the couch, I get upset. But if my boyfriend does it, I get MUCH more upset. I am frankly disgusted and revulsed when he pisses all over my couch.
If it continues happening, then given the choice, I might just keep the dog if there are no real alternatives. But the boyfriend is GONE.
GONE, baby.
Jeff, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm Said:
Jean,
The superdelagates didn’t hand the presidency to Obama.Obama won because his campaign out organized Hillary’s campaign.
Jeff – Obama won because he defrauded the caucus votes using his “grassroots organizers”. For a thorough analysis:
http://www.lynettelong.com/CAUCUSFRAUD/
I got ya, Edwardian. There’s so much sarcasm, snark, and snot flying around I’m hitting the wrong folk. Sorry.
Kate: Does Alaska have fewer resident than the number of Barack Obama’s constituents that died in the terrible heat wave that hit Chicago in 95? How about the ones that froze to death in Tony Rezko’s projects, the ones that Barack Obama helped him get?
Do more live there than the number of people who eventually might have died if Bill Ayers and fair “Weather” friend had done the “more” he so regrets not doing?
Stop me when it gets gratuitous.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190
Thanks for that link, Regency. I just read about the “whining” quote and I was annoyed, but when I listened to the interview, she did not say it like the written report made it sound. She agreed that it was unfair and said exactly what Hillary has said in the past, that it doesn’t help to whine. In fact, I was at a Hillary event where her campaign staff said just that – that the reason she doesn’t complain more is because they don’t believe it helps to whine and the only reason they decided to say anything at all is because it wasn’t just the extra and excessive criticism – they said she is used to that after the last 16 years – but the outwardly sexist attacks that were offensive to all women.
Also, watch interview 7 where Palin talks about how Hillary comes across as tough and it is unfortunate that women are forced to do that more than men but she says that she respects that healthy degree of impatience where Hillary just wants to get in there and get something done and doesn’t have time to worry about how much you like her. I feel like so many working women can relate to that. In fact, Hillary said that was her greatest weakness once.
Oh teh trolls are very nervous now. I guess that they just realized that the GE isn’t a caucus they can STEAL.
cc, I think I was a Democrat when you were still in diapers.
Brenda: Time for a Civics lesson!
A vice President is not THE President. It is in fact the second in the line of succession.
Repeat that to yourself.
A presidential election is every four years. If we are very lucky, and the Grande Deity is happy with us, we will have our first female President in…wait for it…Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2012.
Yay! Civics lesson over.
Arabella, so TL has adopted your Eagleton message, but she’s applying it to Palin? omigod, that’s funny. Even when I fought them like crazy, I always knew that Republicans don’t quit, and don’t toss people over like yesterday’s garbage. Even when I thought they should. The Republicans will approve Palin, they will defend her, and they wil stick with her. Period.
Jeff
Pulleaze, they took 15% of HER EARNED votes in Michigan to GIFT WRAP the PRIMARY for Obama. Please do not treat us like idiots. The primary was rigged it had nothing to do with ‘out organized.”
We can all see through these talking points and fake personas. It’s harder than you think for a guy to adopt a woman’s voice.
I’m still waiting for Fake Old Lady troll to show up.
WMCB, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
LOL!
Brenda, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pm Said:
And I can’t stand the thought of THIS woman getting to be the first female president. Maybe I’ll have to hold out for Chelsea.
Brenda – Feminism is about equal opportunity for all women – not just those who harken to your beliefs.
ahazy – You considered that a personal insult? Holy cr*p. Thin-skinned much? And did you notice, I’m not at TL anymore and haven’t been for months? Wonder why?
FYI, and this is all you’re getting from me, PUMAs are not Republicans. We do not support McCain’s agenda. Some of us are protest-voting because we can’t accept the hostile takeover of our party by Chicago thugs who abuse and despise everything that we believe in.
Some of us are staying home. Some of us (like me) are voting for Cynthia McKinney.
Do you get it now, or should I use smaller words?
river daughter we must include Pelosi, Kennedy and Clyburn in that blame ..Pelosi and Kennedy are the two dems who would have benefited by a weak President win or lose,,,, Clyburn is a bigot IMHO and the DNC doof Dean failed to diversify the DNC no white females voices or very few were greatly under represented
for me a now committed life long Independent, I will vote for the historical choice of a women executive in the White House and against the flawed forced choice of the DNC and Pelosi..
justsaynotobo
Sorry, I get kind of worked up about this stuff. You’re probably right. But I hope she isn’t a Condy Rice Republican. And I haven’t seen any real evidence yet that she’s actually going to promote policies that help women as whole, rather than herself or her church.
Thanks parentofed.
This is just what I needed to lift my spirits: A strong woman candidate who stands for something!
BO will be sooooooo sorry he did not pick Hillary for VP.
When they lose in NOvember it will be because they took women voters, especially us older ones, for granted.
Sarah Palin is a protest vote I can live with. She was right to say it is another chance to break the glass ceiling. And it is my chance to stand up to the DNC and be counted: DON’T TAKE MY VOTE FOR GRANTED.
NObama, NOvember
Gee Brenda
That sure is a progressive stance calling women “b*tches” Heh.
Oh I forgot that IS the “new” colaition’s take on progressive isn’t it?
“And I can’t stand the thought of THIS woman getting to be the first female president. Maybe I’ll have to hold out for Chelsea.”
Good luck with that. if you can find the magic wand to prevent our party hacks from rising up like a pack of rabid dogs and trying to tear her to shreds, do share with the class.
This is absolutely hilarious today.
VP wannabe Sarah Palin is young, fresh and a Washington outsider.
Isn’t that why we were supposed to elect Barack Obama PRESIDENT?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
This is absolutely a stunning move by McCain. I am impressed, completely! Obama is suckerpunched; conned at his own freaking con.
McCain played a very smart game of political chess, and this is his checkmate. A wow move, an absolutely WOW move. She’s union, blue collar, a hunter and fisherman, er fisherwoman, and a westerner. Social conservatives are ecstatic. She has a son heading to Iraq, and a child with downs syndrome. She is just a brilliant choice all the way around. And, she’s extremely likeable, and her speech today was brilliant. I LOVE THIS CHOICE. John McCain showed that he wants my vote. He may well get it.
I’ve been dismissed, insulted, offended, attacked, and denigrated by my own political party for more than a year. But in one political move, John McCain proved that he’s a man who is willing to take political risks, to take bold stands outside of his party’s conventional wisdom, and to fight for his own reputation as a maverick, along the lines of my all time favorite, Harry Truman, and McCain’s all time favorite Teddy Roosevelt.
The Democrats are Gobsmacked!
Some of us here are never going to face the decision to vote McCain because of the make up of our individual states. That being said, if and when I am forced into that position, McCain just made it easier for me. I will not beat the drums, send money, hold a coffee hour, carry a sign, wear a button, but if I am forced to either stay home or consider McCain, I now can do so without a qualm.
The DNC took away my vote. I feel I owe them that much in return.
Brenda, Palin is conservative, and I will not try to argue otherwise. Also, I have no intention of voting for the ticket, I am happy to sit on my hands in November. And she is pro-life.
But there are going to be a lot of women who are going to identify with her and she obviously has a feminist streak:
http://thepage.time.com/palin-facts/
–She is very adept at juggling work and family. When daughter Piper was born during her Wasilla mayoralty, she returned to the office the following day. A trim runner, she did not announce news of her most recent pregnancy (with Trig, born April 18) until her seventh month. According to Palin, “To any critics who say a woman can’t think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I’d just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave.” Her older children are Track, Bristol, and Willow.
Oh my god, the Weatherman is irrelevant to national security. Really now?
Salt: Clyburn is more than a bigot and hypocrite, he is a nepotist crook. He knows Obama the Chicago Machine would turn a blind eye to earmarks & contracts that help him & his family. I’m thinking that McCain will be shutting down some of that crap.
The backlash against Palin from the press is amazing — worse than what’s directed at John McCain. She’s really getting hammered: for being a “heartbeat” away from the presidency (McCain’s health is suddenly a big issue again); for being from a state that’s made up of “13 people and caribou” (Cafferty); for the scandal about the brother-in-law; and, mostly, for being bait for Hillary supporters. I felt very positive about this this morning, but am starting to have doubts.
Sorry, but I don’t see McCain dying in 4 years. Of course, ANYTHING can happen. McCain or Obama could die tomorrow in a freak accident. The Democrats bring up his age because it is the only thing they can really attack Palin with: Oh, McCain is so old he might DIE!!! And Palin is so inexperienced that she wouldn’t be able to run things when McCain DIES!
Give me a break. Experience wasn’t as important as “hope” and “change” to the Obots during the primaries but now it’s a factor?
Having a woman in the White House is definitely more change than Obama and Blowhard Biden will bring to the country. What does Obama offer besides empty promises and plagiarized speeches? I am actually starting to have pity on him. He looked nervous last night and he’s going to sh*t in his pants once Biden starts make gaffes and sexist remarks that won’t be left unnoticed by HRC supporters.
Wow! Looks like the trolls are falling over themselves to come up with talking points. Don’t know much about this Palin, but Biden and Anita Hill – that’s a story I remember well. I look forward to the debates
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/sara-palin-vs-anita-hill-basher/
Her choice is poetic justice for the attacks on Hillary – and I hope she will be instrumental in the win!
And then, maybe Howard Dean will get cable TV and know when to intervene for a Dem candidate attacked in the media (assuming anyone will care what he thinks at that point)
I seem very angry. I’m mostly stunned but thank you so much caring about my adolescent development
Reg: how dare you, just how dare you mention the UW or Ayers. You raci*t, you!
Kearns said she is very well read and very intelligent. Reads history.
Brenda–please do not refer to any woman here or anywhere else as a “bitch”. You are consenting to your own eradication. As much as I dislike Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile, I would never refer to them or anyone else by using a r*cist or sexist slur. You want sisterhood? Start walking the walk.
That sure is a progressive stance calling women “b*tches”
Cwaltz, I fear that the concept of “change” and “hope” has eluded you sadly. Now drop and give me 50 sexist slurs and another 50 homophobic slurs to prove yourself.
I hope the GOP isn’t setting her up for a fall. Maybe they really feel like they can’t win and that a woman is more expendable than the rest of their VP prospects if she and McCain lose.
Those media boyz better be careful. The Republican Party is not going to let them sh*t all over Palin the way the Democratic Party let them sh*t all over Hillary.
I have to confess, I now have a Huge girl-crush on Sarah Palin. She’s not just a smart pick, she’s humungously fabulous.
From wiki:
ally, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pm Said:
“Kate: Does Alaska have fewer resident than the number of Barack Obama’s constituents that died in the terrible heat wave that hit Chicago in 95? How about the ones that froze to death in Tony Rezko’s projects, the ones that Barack Obama helped him get?”
Shame on you for so grossly misconstruing the facts in an effort to further your “argument”. Those people died throughout the city, the vast majority of them were extremely elderly, and their names should not be used in your ignorant blathering. Both of those statements are completely wrong and ridiculous. Tony Rezko didn’t build projects, you fool. What high end condo developer have you ever heard of that builds projects? Almost all of the projects in Chicago and in the nation were built when Rezko was a child.
Sally, you actually have your facts wrong. It is true that Rezko did not build “projects” but he did work with the city to develop low-income housing units through public private partnerships. This has been the city of Chicago’s preferred method of creating low-income housing in recent years, and Obama has been one of its biggest advocates (I should also note that the Boston Globe had a fascinating article recently that pointed out that many of the failed projects were developed by people now serving on Obama’s finance committee). Rezko’s low-income housing buildings, I believe 11 of which were in Obama’s state senate district, did go under and people were left in the dead of winter without heat in substandard housing conditions. During this same time, when Rezko was telling the city he could not afford to fix the buildings, he was writing big contributions to Barack Obama.
It may not bother you, and that’s fine, we each get our own vote, but those are the facts.
A trim runner, she did not announce news of her most recent pregnancy (with Trig, born April 18) until her seventh month. According to Palin, “To any critics who say a woman can’t think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I’d just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave.”
Yeah, she has issues I disagree with. But DAMN it is nice to hear a woman in power being that blunt!!!!
Brenda,
You may very well be right. She’s a conservative Republican after all, which is inherently creepy. But unlike the Obama and the DNC, McCain showed respect for all women by elevating Palin to high office.
As a Texan who has had to put up with Kay Bailey Hutchison for far too long, I say thank you to McCain for not picking her. Her environmental record is absolutely horrible.
too funny I guess we will be hearing about her monthly cycle shortly.lolololololol what fools.. Recycle code words tooooo flipping funny, ko and tweety must be pissing in their panties Clyburn obviously was
read up your self if you don’t know Palin ladies besides the obvious she has strengths…..
This is victory Puma’s regardless, we made more difference in this Primary than the women movements has had since they got the vote. McCain would not have placed a women on the ticket if not for US we flexing our electoral muscle….now me I have been aware of Gov Palin and for many reason I shared before I can vote easily for this ticket now……..
and look forward to Clinton vs Palin in 12
Sally: Wow, you insulted me 18 times. Thanks for that.
You do know that State Senator Barack Obama wrote a letter of recommendation for Tony Rezko for the development of apartment houses in Chicago? It was for something like $250,000. Do you know those were slums? Do you know they shut off the heat in the winter. You know that right?
Okay, good.
Thank you for coming.
ahazydelirium, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm Said:
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Then your question is irrelevant.
Both parties are running conservative candidates, as evidence in my previous posts.
So WHAT are you doing here, and WHY are you spinning wheels?
justsaynotobo, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pm Said:
Edwardian – You’ve been spending much too much time doing the Hopey Dopey with your Obama friends and not enough time reading about what took place in the Democratic Primary. Do your homework and then come back to ask questions.,
Clearly you’ve not been here long enough to know I anything BUT an Obama supporter. I’ve already qualified my initial comments. Good day.
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indigo, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm Said:
The backlash against Palin from the press is amazing — worse than what’s directed at John McCain. She’s really getting hammered: for being a “heartbeat” away from the presidency (McCain’s health is suddenly a big issue again); for being from a state that’s made up of “13 people and caribou” (Cafferty); for the scandal about the brother-in-law; and, mostly, for being bait for Hillary supporters. I felt very positive about this this morning, but am starting to have doubts.
Indigo,
The press hates women. What’s new. Whether you agree with her politics or not, she is a powerful woman. Cafferty is the biggest sexist there is. I hope he could at least control his spittle when talking about Palin, which he couldn’t do with Hillary.
They attacked Palin and will continue to attack her, though the RNC will never allow it to get bad. Her experience matters as VP, but barack obama’s doesn’t for president??? Please. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Thank you, JJ, for speaking the truth.
JJ, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:59 pm Said:
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OH MY GOD you’re COMPLETELY UNINFORMED!
What do you think things like ACORN are and do?
My God..what kind of “community” did you think Obama was hired to organize?
Where do you think those millions were appropriated to?
REZKO WAS A SLUMLORD!!!!
That’s common knowledge, my God.
It’s official.
obama supporters = obamabushbots
indigo, the media has been nonstop shilling for Obama and demonizing Clinton for months and months and months. If anybody listened to them, then he would have actually won. Tough luck on them, but America sees through them and has tuned them out. Nobody is stupid enough to think “damn–experience is an issue, I’m voting Obama!” It satirizes itself.
Edwardian – No, I haven’t been here that long and I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
Regency, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:00 pm Said:
Sally: Wow, you insulted me 18 times. Thanks for that.
You do know that State Senator Barack Obama wrote a letter of recommendation for Tony Rezko for the development of apartment houses in Chicago? It was for something like $250,000. Do you know those were slums? Do you know they shut off the heat in the winter. You know that right?
Okay, good.
Regency, more like 14 million dollars that he requested…way more than 250,000. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure.
justsaynotobo, edwardian is great. I think maybe the thread is moving so fast and emotions so high there was a misunderstanding?
Jim, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm Said:
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You ask, I present:
First a question; WHEN did Obama stand up and denounce misogynist and accusations of racism on Hillary and bill’s part?
Never. Ok, thanks.
here ya go!
Truth:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html
“New York State Senator Bill Perkins used quite explicit racial stereotyping in a speech aimed at discouraging his constituents from voting for Clinton by saying, Harlem “is not Bill Clinton’s backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html
“If Obama didn’t want to be compared to Jesse Jackson, maybe he shouldn’t have put R&B in his SC advertisements, shouldn’t have sent black-only emissaries to the Black SC community, and should have put Wright, who was doing the rounds, on pause. The message in South Carolina put out by Obama’s campaign, whether the media wanted to ignore it or not, was “Vote for me I am Black.” To then come back and smash Bill Clinton for mentioning Jesse Jackson, that’s audacity; Axelrod made this clear through his surrogates, while he had Obama say that what the Clintons’ said was “unfortunate.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91769883
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY_9ZcsjpQ&feature=related%3cbr
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
You’ll find the last Youtube link the most interesting.
Brenda, on August 29th, 2008 at 3:58 pm Said:
I hope the GOP isn’t setting her up for a fall. Maybe they really feel like they can’t win and that a woman is more expendable than the rest of their VP prospects if she and McCain lose.
Brenda, the GOP is not planning to lose. This was a year when everyone expected the GOP to roll over and give up their power since they had no chance of winning after 8 years of Bush. WRONG. The GOP, unlike the DNC, fights until the very end. McCain is the best candidate the GOP has had since Reagan. I don’t believe McCain is a maverick but he is definitely likable and has proven that he has the ability to think outside the box by choosing Palin and courting Clinton supporters. The GOP plans to win in November.
I can’t believe the MSM is stupid enough to play into the Republicans’s hands so easily by insulting Palin. It only reinforces the liberal media refrain, it infuriates Hillary backers, it alienates even the non-Hillary women, it will make any reticent male Republican fall in line, it gives valuable media time to McCain, it justifies McCain & the Republicans to come out to publicly discuss and defend Sarah, and it will make Sarah look tough when she fires back.
This is Christmas Day for McCain/Palin!
At least with Palin, she’ll have the McCain camp as well as the GOP arsenal as a support/defense system throughout this campaign. Hillary was hung out to dry by her very own party.
destardi, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm Said:
You’re confusing JJ with Kate and Sally, he was just quoting and responding. JJ’s cool. So’s Edwardian.
Wow, I’m impressed. The more I’m hearing about Palin, the more I think they’ve hit a home run. I certainly don’t like her or McCain’s stands on abortion, but then I’m not liking what I’m hearing about Obama and Biden either. And of course I won’t forget the crap the O-B and DNC people did to Hillary and her supporters.
OK, so did anyone notice this little gem. Palin’s husband is a steel worker union member. How do you think that’s going to come across in the rust belt. And did anyone actually look at the bus O-B are riding through WV (but not stopping). I mean it’s the most horrendous unfriendly thing I’ve ever seen. It looks like some sort of security tank. You’d think they were afraid of all the clingy little people out there.
Sweet is all I can say. McCain-Palin -08, Hillary 2012. I’m on board.
I need a break. This back and forth with idiots like the Obamabots is making me stupider. The arguments they present are old, tired, squeaking with rust build up, uninformed and shrieking with hate. Truthfully, who cares what they think about what we think. They bring the level of discourse down to basement level and we continue to take that ride with them. Shut them down!
Destardi, was your comment directed at me??? I am no Obamabot…I have been correcting the uninformed opinions being posted here by the anti-Palin pro-Obama people.
I like her!!
How DARE they come up with the”HEART-BEAT-AWAY” arguement; OBAMA HAS LESS EXPERIENCE THAN HER & HE “WOULD” BE THE PRESIDENT!!
jim, sorry buddy but I’ve pretty much pwned you on every response to your weak posts.
McCain-Palin-08
HillaryDem
FOX has her as Pro-Choice/Anti-Waste just now on the TeeVee.
VACardinal, the first thing my dad said to me when he called to discuss the pick is that her husband was a steel union guy.
If the liberal media is attacking another woman, their bias will be obvious, won’t it?
Good.
“Do you know those were slums? Do you know they shut off the heat in the winter. You know that right?”
NOOO! They were no slums! They were collections of puppies and rainbows and sunshine. And Obama was only trying to be kind and save people from the trials and tribulations of life by putting them in a posiion to freeze to death. Life is hard, freezing to death is like going to sleep, real peaceful like. Praise Obama, and damn the buttiniskies who don’t understand his Holy Plan.
WMCB, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:04 pm Said:
justsaynotobo, edwardian is great. I think maybe the thread is moving so fast and emotions so high there was a misunderstanding?
Yes, I feel badly about that. See my comment up thread.
JJ,
I’m SORRY!
I read too fast, and feel my blood boil sometimes.
Brilliant move on McCain’s part–moreover, it proves what man of us suspected: Obama can easily be tricked. They tricked him into fighting the “lack of experience” criticism, so he picked a VP other than one he truly wanted in keeping with his philosophy; then by making “celebrity” seem a curse, they got him to give a meat and potatoes, boring speech.
And while I’m on “potatoes” remember Quale—no one would have voted for him for Prez.
justsaynotobo, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:03 pm Said:
Edwardian – No, I haven’t been here that long and I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
No problemo, JSNTO! Happens to the best of us – no biggie.
Welcome to the Confluence, btw. (waves)
Charles – you are a truly beautiful soul. Thank you so much for everything you have done, and are continuing to do, to make this world a better place. You have brought me to tears.
Have you read this book? I am supposed to do an interview with the author, who is a Congresswoman from New York.
I think you would enjoy it very much, if you haven’t already done so. She brings up the same statistic you just did.
Off to read your posts now.
Well, she certainly “looks” fabulous. I wonder how long it’ll take the sexist pigs in the media to start commenting on her cleavage like they did with Hillary.
Cafferty at it again, says all of his emails are negative. Ya think? You don’t let any others in.
JJ: Thanks to Obama, Rev Wright’s TUCC and that crazy Father Pflegler’s church also received lush community grants. This is what motivates them to such heights of passion, it’s always been about the MONEY.
I like Jim’s idea of a compilation of attacks (August 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm). When the stuff about sexism in the media finally got some attention, people kept asking so-where’s-the-examples — and it was mostly just the “Iron My Shirt” thing and the Hillary nutcracker that people could remember. But it’s the more subtle attacks by news commentators and other prominent folk in the MSM that are far more insidious and pervasive — and they often go unnoticed. Does a list like this exist for Hillary? Maybe we should start one for Palin.
justsaynotobobo, edwardian is wicked awesome. He is not an Obot.
Geeklove had a great video of that indigo. It was when Hillary was reciting her speech in Beijing in 1995.
Brenda, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:10 pm Said:
Well, she certainly “looks” fabulous. I wonder how long it’ll take the sexist pigs in the media to start commenting on her cleavage like they did with Hillary.
They’re too busy hitting on her for her “inexperience”. The supreme irony of that accusation is just beyond the pale. Once that tactic boomerangs (and it will) they’ll start in on the sexism.
Cafferty on a tirade about McCain picking someone younger and more inexperienced than BO, and this could be game over after reading his 6000 emails against her. WTF??? Are they for real??? Do they not see the absurdity of their comments??? It is ok for BO to be inexperience???
Oh, wait. I forgot this 2008, not 2007. We don’t use logic. I’m ok now.
Seriously, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:12 pm Said:
justsaynotobobo, edwardian is wicked awesome. He is not an Obot.
Seriously – So I’m told, and I’m relieved to hear it!
(ack sorry, you already apologized, this thread is moving too fast to keep up)
Well, she certainly “looks” fabulous. I wonder how long it’ll take the sexist pigs in the media to start commenting on her cleavage like they did with Hillary.
Which will be great when they do. Because no longer can it be, any other woman, just not Hillary. It will show that they are sexist, that they hate women, that Obama hates women (when he does not step in).
Hypothetical: What do we do if Hillary gets out there and starts slamming Palin?
taw46: other than Obots and an occasional gym/waiting room view, who else watches CNN/MSNBO anymore? They are just worthless as a news source. The only way I’ll ever go back is when there are massive firings: Keith, Roland, Cafferty, Shuster, Matthews.
Brenda, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm Said:
Hypothetical: What do we do if Hillary gets out there and starts slamming Palin?
Brenda – Palin was very complimentary to Clinton in her introductory remarks. An attack on her would backfire. It would make Hillary look bad and I think she’s to savvy for that.
Regency – See Larry Johnson at 1:06 PM today:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/breaking-news-david-axelrod-talking-regularly-with-bill-ayers/#comment-632248
The Ayers/Obama connection isn’t just about terrorism. It’s about the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge handled $100 million dollar of grant money. Larry Johnson attributes the following quote from Monica Crowley:
Johnson alleges that Axelrod is getting Ayers’ help in fielding calls about the CAC.
This is a big (complex) story.
parentofed, I heard Rachel Maddow’s getting a new show on MSNBC. Maybe she can help counteract all the testosterone fueled spite that Keith and Joe Scarborough spew.
Hillary can’t slam Palin. Palin is Barack Obama with more experience. It would be stupid.
Hillary is not slamming Palin. She may go after McCain but Palin isn’t running for President, she’s running for second place, it would be stupid.
In my opinion, the media’s attacks on Governor Palin’s “inexperience” ARE sexist.
Otherwise, they would have attacked Obama in the same way.
Another halarious development is the Obamatrons shouting about how Hillary Clinton needs to put Palin in her place. They’re dissing Palin with the same sexist crap ["I guess women will vote for her because she has a vagina," type thing] and then in a psychotic turn expect Senator Clinton to bail them out. After months and months of foul-mouthed name calling.
Too funny. Karma is a bitch!
But I admit, I teared up when Palin walked out on that stage. Hillary Clinton worked so damn hard for the Dems and ended up kicked in the teeth for her efforts.
Maybe next time! This has been an extraordinary day.
Hillary doesn’t whine!! Prove to me she said that quote, pbriggsiam!
Have you ever actually watched Rachel Maddow?
On the inexperience issue: did anyone complain about about the inexperience of Kaine for the Dems (elected as Gov. in 2006) or Jindhal for the Repubs (elected as Gov. 20 minutes ago)?
Just askin’.
taw46: Bet crazy Jack had to change some names on those emails before he read them……i hate c88nts, luvbo4evr, b*tchsmasher……..
Jeez, any little Obot can send out 100 messages in 10 minutes. I’m tired of this media hostage-taking by little obot techies, and people like jack too dumb or corrupt to stop the ransom money.
No, not really. But I heard she’s from Air America radio, which is at least run by real progressives.
Hillary just gave her comment about Palin and in short said good for McCain for putting a woman on the ticket……..YOU HAVE CLASS HILLARY BUT DEAR PELOSI IS HOT AS HELL
I wrote to Hillary today and asked her in the spirit of the “sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits” to refrain from campaigning against Governor Palin. She doesn’t have to support her – just say nothing. If Hillary campaigns against Sarah, I won’t support Hillary in 2012. If women don’t start looking out for each other, how can we complain?
ABOUT THE “WHINING” REMARK:
Watch video #2here. I’ve addressed this twice already. Pay attention.
She did not accuse her of whining. It’s called SPIN.
Peggy Sue, Hillary is the only working Democrat in the US, no one else can accept any responsibility.
Charles–Are you interested in talking to Fox about Palin and how she affects your vote? I know that you know a lot about Alaskan politics.
Brenda: Rachel Maddow is not a friend of ours. Air America is not a friend of ours. They have talked more crap about Hillary and us than is really truly decent.
Rachel Maddow is menace. And she should not have her own show. Smart she may be, but object, uh, no.
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Brenda, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:23 pm Said:
No, not really. But I heard she’s from Air America radio, which is at least run by real progressives.
Ha! Yeah right. These “progressives” were absolutely disgusting to Hillary.
I just don’t believe Hillary will allow the DNC/BO camp to use her as an “attack dog” against Palin. I suspect any criticisms Hillary were to level against Palin will be limited and restricted to her policies. And considering all she herself has endured (and continues endoring), Hillary won’t do the DNC/BO’s dirty on Sarah Palin.
I say Hillary will show her as much grace, publically, as she’s mustered for Barack. I mean, heck, at this point, if I were Hillary, Barack would be crapping my stilettos for now until NEXT November, for his coarse, uncouth comportment.
Uh…when was the last time you listened to Air America radio?
If Hillary campaigns against Sarah, I won’t support Hillary in 2012.
I don’t think so.
Yeah, get out there, Hillary, and save our sorry asses now that we kicked you out onto the snowy street at midnight when you had no shoes. So what? You’re a Democrat, aren’t you?
These people are such jerks! It wouldn’t bother me if Hillary & Sarah said some stuff, as long as it’s clean dirty politics. No sexism, no smears. They expect it, they both can take it.
McKinney will NOT win. Nader will NOT win. I’m all for voting your conscience, but do not be under the impression that you’re helping in any way. One of these two men will be President, not Cynthia McKinney, not Bob Barr, and not Ralph Nader.
But that being said, I hope Obama does not force any Clintons to campaign for him.
New post up
(not you masslib, i was talking to Brenda)
Jennifer: McCain long ago gave a genuine apology for that comment. He shouldn’t have said it, of course, but at least he had the decency or political smarts to recognize his mistake.
It isn’t fair to expect Hillary to just sit down because she’s supposed to campaign against a woman. She won’t use baseless sexist attacks. She knows what that’s like, why that hurts. If she is “forced” to go after her, it will be based on ISSUES, nothing more or less.
That’s the Democrat Hillary is. She’s not Barack Obama.
I just listened to her acceptance speech.
Aside from the pitch of her voice that should be toned down for misogynist men that don’t like to hear women shriek. Her delivery has got a lot of personality. With McCains and Palin’s records combined , the campaign message is now strongly of reform and change. Aside from her pro-life stance, the policy issues are a mixed bag between McCain and Palin. McCain is not a staunch pro-life advocate either so that sort of cancels out with Obama’s noncomittal attitude toward this subject area.
The whole Democratic convention was about denying Hillary’s achievement. The selection of Palin and her recognition of Ferraro and Hillary during her speech was such a smart strategy.
Lastly, the chants of “yes, we can” just does not compare to “U.S.A.!” both of them have sons that serve the military. The dems are going to lose on the patriotism front for sure.
C, you’re late the party. Please show yourself out.
Thanks!
Regency, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:30 pm Said:
It isn’t fair to expect Hillary to just sit down because she’s supposed to campaign against a woman. She won’t use baseless sexist attacks. She knows what that’s like, why that hurts. If she is “forced” to go after her, it will be based on ISSUES, nothing more or less.
That’s the Democrat Hillary is. She’s not Barack Obama.
Totally agreed.
Hillary might campaign against Palin but not aggressively. First of all, Palin made a smart move by praising Hillary Clinton and showing respect for her historical candidacy. Not only will it win her Clinton voters, it will put Hillary in a tough position to aggressively attack her.
However, Obama is probably sh*tting in his pants right now and giving Hillary a call (think back to the SNL spoof of the 3am phone call ad). Obamabots are freaking out and Obama isn’t too happy either. I wouldn’t be surprised if the DNC and Obama wants Hillary to be the one to do the dirty work in this campaign by addressing Palin the next two months. However, it will probably only make Clinton supporters angrier that she is being used again to help Obama win.
This is why we love and respect and support Hillary so strongly. Here is her statement on McCains choice of Sara Palin:
“We should all be proud of Governor Sara Palin’s historic nomination and I congratulate her and Senator McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governer Palin will add an important new voice to this debate.”
Compare that to what the “classy” Nancy Pelosi had to say: McCain’s choice of Sara Palin “raises serious questions about his judgment. Why, when the country is fighting two wars, facing an uncertain economy and an energy crisis, did Sen. McCain make the choice that he did? Why, with so many other qualified women and men in his party, did John McCain choose Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin is not the right choice. She shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade and continuing George Bush’s failed economic policies.’’
Jeff, what have you done lately to lift the Clintons up?
Curious – who did you vote for in the primaries/caucuses?
I soooooo *heart* Senator Clinton.
“Grace and dignity” indeed.
Sorry, I don’t follow the rough and tumble of these things like some people. I only knew what I’d heard about Air America before this primary, and I guess it isn’t true anymore.
I take back the part about Rachel Maddow now I hear more about her.
Hillary is always gracious.
We could have had Hillary.
Another hypothetical: If Hillary won the primary, McCain would probably still choose Sarah. What would we say about her then?
Regency, thanks for posting the link to that video of Palin talking about Hillary. I did not find it offensive at all, and she was not insulting Hillary. Obama fans have put their spin on it to make it seem much worse than it is. She actually sounded thoughtful and intelligent to me. Don’t forget she is a Republican and was not supporting Hillary for President.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190
NEW VIDEO. Should be a heartwarmer.
Edwardian is one of us. I’m proud to have Edwardian and Justsaynotobo aboard this proud ship of Conflucians w/ Riverdaughter at the helm. Boy was that hokey, but, fun.
You know what I am interested in seeing? How organizations like Emily’s List will react to sexist directed at Palin. I know they will not be supporting her since she is anti-choice, which is fine, but will they speak out against sexism? What about NOW? I hope they will. It is wrong whether the woman is repub or dem.
I’m a Sally, too, and don’t want to be discredited with the above comments by another Sally.
OK PUMAs, now that we’ve got John McCain’s attention, how about influencing him? Like saying we want increased federal funding for family planning. Remember, this was a REPUBLICAN initiative — under the Nixon administration and championed by Geo. Bush, Sr., who was in House of Reps. at that time. Let McCain make points by saying he wants to prevent abortions by increasing the availability and affordability of family planning resources.
(and remind Hispanic voters – and others — that the Mexican constitution says that it’s population has a Constituional right to family planning services — ever since the early 1970s. Maybe US Const. should be similarly amended!!?!!)
“i bet some of don’t even know why you really call yourselves P.U.M.A’s”
JaX for the win! Your literacy level is clearly so much higher than the front pagers, though, I BET you can explain it!
I’m a “Sally,” too, and don’t associate myself with the above remarks by another Sally.
Jeff, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:54 pm Said:
The thing is all democrats should proud of both of these canidates.What they have done has changed the country for the better.I got african american friends who had no interest in politics who are know running for office.I have my sister who had no clue about politics,spending 3 months deciding if she was going to support Obama or Clinton.
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So basically what you’re saying, is that you have low-information voters choosing based on…race or gender.
And the race won out with the help of party leaders such as brazile nuts and hodean.
I feel so much better now.
Jeff, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:51 pm Said:
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Misguided?
At what point did obama come to hillary’s aid or stop his campaign from calling the Clintons racists?
No point.
Truth:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html
“New York State Senator Bill Perkins used quite explicit racial stereotyping in a speech aimed at discouraging his constituents from voting for Clinton by saying, Harlem “is not Bill Clinton’s backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html
“If Obama didn’t want to be compared to Jesse Jackson, maybe he shouldn’t have put R&B in his SC advertisements, shouldn’t have sent black-only emissaries to the Black SC community, and should have put Wright, who was doing the rounds, on pause. The message in South Carolina put out by Obama’s campaign, whether the media wanted to ignore it or not, was “Vote for me I am Black.” To then come back and smash Bill Clinton for mentioning Jesse Jackson, that’s audacity; Axelrod made this clear through his surrogates, while he had Obama say that what the Clintons’ said was “unfortunate.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91769883
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY_9ZcsjpQ&feature=related%3cbr
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
Is that right? Hahahahahaha!
I would love to play cards with McCain. I would lose, but it would be so much fun and I would learn a lot. He totally just shot the moon and you always have to fly low under the radar to make that work. He’s clearly crazy like a fox.
3AM
Hillary’s ready to take a call and handle any difficult situation, as is McCain.
Obama’s sleeping and can’t be bothered as he’s said he delegates
Palin’s out hunting moose.
Who’s your daddy.
McCain-Palin -08, Hillary 2012
Wow, this has been fun reading all the comments. I am from Alaska and have been watching Sarah (as Alaskans call her) Palin for a while now. I don’t agree with a lot of her positions but I have a great deal of respect for her. She is a pit bull. I can’t wait for Biden to be dismissive to her in a debate. She will not hold back. Palin has taken on the old republican guard and won. She had help (Wally Hickle is a big supporter), but she has shown herself to be tough, very tough to anyone – dem or repug or big money. She has a moral center that goes beyond religion. She will make women proud even if she is pro life etc. She is pragmatic. She wants to get the job done. She will work across the isle like McCain.
Do I think she is inexperienced? Yes, but she is a listener and a fairly quick study. She has done a good job with the gas pipeline getting it going – something no one else has been able to do for 30 years. What people don’t understand about Alaska is that we are the gateway to Asia. We have huge Fedex, UPS facilities as much cargo goes through Anchorage. We have oil and gas, coal and gold and fish. Palin has to deal with international trade all the time. Russia is just a short fight away. We are not the back water everyone thinks. The military is very important because of our logistical position.
McCain’s people are smart. People will underestimate her at their peril.
JaX, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm Said:
Jeff did alot more for HIllary than you so called real Hillary supporters and he still backs Obama
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I met Hillary. I met Stephanie Tubbs-Jones. I donated to Hillary’s campaign.
I blogged for her.
Don’t you dare insult…Hillary2012, McCain-Palin08
Thanks for not deleting the Obats. I am loving their angst.
waiting, on August 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm Said:
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Thank you for that post; it was informative.
Oh Jeff, Hillary didn’t come up short. She won. She was cheated. The DNC slime and the Obama Chicago machine cheated. There’s nothing to get over. We’re past that. We’ve moved on. We’re out to fix our party. Something the big thungs running things now don’t get, and won’t see coming. We’re going to shake things up. And if we have to make history for women at the same time, more the better.
Fox is ripping up the BO guest.
Pat Buchanan loves her. He is spitting nails at the assholes on MSNBC!
First off Destardi, I’m not a low information voter.I live and breath politics.The reason why Hillary lost had nothing to do with party insiders.It was bad strategy by her campaign.They underestimated Obama.Remember Obama ran off 11 states in a row.He won states like nebraska and kansas with there was zero african american population.She didn’t even campaign in those states.
She eats “moose burgers”.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
She is also a Libertarian.
Chuck Todd was just an asshole!
If you’re really a P.U.M.A, you wouldn’t feel offended “Seriously”
Yeah, I violated the PUMA pledge. “We value having subliterates tell us that we’re obviously too stupid to know our own names.”
Sorry all!
VAcardinal, on August 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pm Said:
“Oh Jeff, Hillary didn’t come up short. She won. She was cheated. The DNC slime and the Obama Chicago machine cheated. ”
Seriously? You believe this? You didn’t see her lose 11 primaries in a row? It was on TV 24/7. You can probably even find it on the internets. You should check it out.
Hillary wasn’t cheated.Like i said obama ran 11 states in a row and by the time she gained traction it was too late.Sometime you should give credit where credit is due.
By the way the democrat party is geared up for total dominance for the 12 years.Whats there to fix?The amount new voters that Obama and Clinton brought in will guarantee the party will be succesful for a long time.
Also theres nothing stopping Hillary from running again regardless if Obama wins or loses.
Why, with so many other qualified women and men in his party, did John McCain choose Sarah Palin?
Why, with so many other qualified women and men in the Democratic Party, did the Super Delegates choose Barack Obama?
Go to real clear politics and check out the primary results.Obama Blew out Hillary in Kansas,utah, nebraska and many other states that i can’t remeber off the top of my head.If your going to mad at someone,be mad at mark penn or whoever else was running her campaign.The superdelegats had nothing to do with anything.The lead that Obama built after winning 11 states in a row,was almost insurmountable.However if Hillary pulled out North carolina and Indiana then things might have been differant.
Utah? nebraska? are you kidding me? I could count the number of dems in those states on one hand. get real jeff…
C and Jeff: Eat some moose burgers. Did you notice Obama loose every month for the last three of four months of the primaries? Did you noticed the complete melt down of the Obama campaign and the slim DNC backers? Did you notice the non stop women hatred coming from them and the MSN? Sorry but the boys club at the DNC needs fixing. If you don’t see that, and don’t see a problem with the way Hillary has been treated, then you’re simply not a real progressive. Period. And don’t talk to me about choice or anything else. The dem candidates are very weak on choice and it would be really pathetic to try to argue that one.
The hatred of women seems to come through the pours of many MSN and Obama campaign types. There’s only one way to fix that. And only one way to fix the party. And that’s to get women in office first and foremost. No matter which party.
bluelyon, because their stupidity is infinite. it matches their misogyny and cluelessness.
doesn’t matter how many dems are in the state.It was the margin of victory.he won 60 to 70 percent of the vote.You had 11 states where he won by huge margins raking up a big lead in delegates.Just check real clear politics and you will know what i mean.
Some of you people are either unclear on politics, dilusional, or twisting the truth to your advantage. The superdelegates never even came into play in this year’s primaries. Hilary lost the election, and handed over the nomination to Obama herself a couple of nights ago.
Oh yea, C and Jeff, sorry but you don’t get to count un democratic caucuses when you’re counting these states Obama supposedly done. Doesn’t count. Not democratic. And way too much evidence of nasty cheating in those. So when you don’t count those, guess what, we have a statistical tie.
And with a tie, the SD’s decided who the candidate would be. Please don’t insult our intelligence with Obama won the election crap. He was selected by the DNC. Of course that’s fine, that’s the rules, they can do that. But since they selected the weaker candidate (remember polls at the time had Hillary much further ahead of McCain than Obama was), and they were oozing women hate while they did it, don’t be surprised by the result.
Women have woken up. Deal with it.
I challenge all these McCain worshipping harpies to define progressivism sufficently such that their heads don’t blow up with the contradiction of their support of a Rethuglican old white man and another Rethuglican light weight female politician.
Isn’t it pathetic that the only thing these bozo’s can come up with is what the primary was like in January and early February. Notice how they don’t want to talk about the end of Feb, Mar, Apr, May, and June. Kind of embarrassing I’d say.
pbriggsiam, how about you define progressivism in a way that justifies misogyny, having to give permission of his wife before she gets a job, wanting to water down roe so that women have to get permission of their husbands or ministers, dismissing Hillary by brushing her off his shoe or shoulder.
And “light weight female politician” Since she has more executive experience than the top of the dem ticket, and has gotten more done in two years than Obama includes in his entire thin resume, the sexism in that statement is glaring. Clearly it’s fine for a male to be a light weight politician, but not a female.
I’ll choose a women with a gun anytime over man who has to write two books to “find himself”
I agree with getting more woman in office.It’s already has been achieved.Regardless if Hillary won or lost her impact has been profound.Just like Obama’s impact has been profound with african americans and youth voters.In a about 5 years there will twice as many african americans and woman in office.
VAcardinal, on August 29th, 2008 at 5:35 pm Said:
“Oh yea, C and Jeff, sorry but you don’t get to count un democratic caucuses when you’re counting these states Obama supposedly done. Doesn’t count. Not democratic. And way too much evidence of nasty cheating in those. So when you don’t count those, guess what, we have a statistical tie.”
This is the dilusional behavior I was talking about. See, it’s not that I don’t count those votes. I do. So does the rest of the nation. You, in your head, don’t count those votes. She lost the primares long before it got down to any caucuses. Michigan and Florida even got seated as she requested, and she lost. He got more states, more votes, and more delegates, period.
madamab, I understand the concept of a protest vote and I always support voting for third party candidates. No, I support voting for any candidate in which you believe. I guess I’m just questioning how anyone here can believe in McCain. This thought has nothing to do with Obama, Hillary or the Democratic leadership. I’m just wondering why all the enthusiasm for a ticket that is, as you say, nothing more than a protest vote.
C, wrong. Not even close. When you count FL and MI, she has more votes. Period. You know that of course, you’re just being an a**. I can see you’re actually now counting how the roll call went in Denver when you site how Hillary didn’t win FL and MI aren’t you? That is stunningly pathetic. You my friend, are a complete idiot.
After Clinton originally agreed not to seat any of the delegates, On May 31, the Democratic National Committee agreed to seat all of the Michigan and Florida delegates at the national convention, each with a half-vote, narrowing Obama’s delegate lead while increasing the delegate count needed to win.
Nothing pathetic or idiotic about that. Just the facts.
Vacardinal,
Like i said before if Hillary beat obama in north carolina and had a better margin of victory in indiana,then things would of had been differant.But what happened in Jan. and feb. was very important and it set a tone.Also she didnt that well in texas and her margins of victory and ohio and pennsylvania was not enough to eat into a 120 delegate lead.
You know sometimes you should give credit where credit is due.Obama and his campaign ran a very smart and organized campaign, and Hillary had some issues with her campaign.
VaCardinal, you’ve defined it as you see it by what you ignore. You’ve let the perceived sleight by the voters of this country for Obama and against your candidate make you a bullet voter on a very narrow value among a rich vareity of progressive issues.
If you are trying to avoid your head exploding from the contradiction I guess I can understand why you won’t answer my simple question.
ahazydelirium, very good question. Some folks are voting for third parties and some are voting for McCain as a protest. And similarly some are not voting as a protest. It may or may not be misguided. It’s an attempt to change the misogynistic and dirty back of the smoke filled room cheating that is happening in the DNC. However, some folks actually like McCain a bit. That’s hard to believe given how much he’s sucked up to Bush in the last few years. But many remember how he stuck it to Bush and really hates his guts. So some lean favorably toward him. But I think if you’re seeing excitement today, it’s all about the VP choice. And some small about towards McCain for having the balls to make that choice. Something the dems could not do.
Obama would of won anyways regardless of what happened in florida and Michigan.Obama would of won michigan, and Hillary would of won florida.They checked each other out.
Also past history proves popular vote dont matter.If that was case Gore would be president.Its bot obama’s fault the rules are F——
Jeff, I completely agree that Obama ran a great campaign and Hillary made big mistakes. Politics is dirty and nasty, and often involves cheating. Hey, I full understand the game. And hats off to Obama. And if Obama wins I’ll be happy for the giant change that will mean in this country for everyone, and specially for race relations and equality among various groups. I would never take that way. And I’m deeply saddened by the fact that Hillary lost, and some by her strategies, and of course some by cheating. And yes, he cheated better than her, sure, it’s politics.
But it isn’t just that. It’s the Obama campaign and the Obama followers and the big wigs in the DNC that have made the difference to me. It wasn’t enough that they won. They relished the destruction of the Clintons and beamed as they were full of pure hate towards women. Maybe that’s me, but that’s what I saw.
So, the bottom line is, I own my vote. And for the first time in my life, I’m voting for a republican. I also changed my party affiliation to no party (independent). I feel great about it, and so far my head hasn’t exploded.
As a father of twin 7 year old girls I was in tears as palin spoke of her husband and children. For the first time in a VERY long time I am proud to be a republican and look forward (finally look forward and not miserably needed the antacids) to watch election coverage!!!!!!!!!
About time !!!!!
Kansas and Nebraska – caucus states – not impressed.
It is hilarious to hear all the liberal newscasters hitting Palin because she doesn’t respect a woman’s right to choose.
Well, they didn’t respect a democratic woman. They tore her to shreds, they beat her to a pulp, they raped her. Not the Republicans – the Democrats. Who called her a bitch? Who said she was pimping her kid?
Chris Mathhews looks ill. If you can believe it, he’s paler than usual. Chuck Todd – ha ha ha. There’s no joy in mudville.
Schadenfreude
It’s really really sad that you people are ready to flush your right to choose and equal rights down the sink.
Are you so stubborn that you can endorse staying in Irag, then theres Russia and China not to mention Iran to be dealt (not controlled) with.
This election is not just about you. Look into a child’s face that you love and think about the future they will have under a republican administration.
You can sugar coat your positions all you want, but at the end of the day if you were really honest with yourself you would know whats truly good for our nation.
Not continuing wars about oil,
stripping women to the right to choose, even in the case of rape and incest(says Palin), deny gay partners the right to marry. To continue drilling for oil where it would be a risk and won’t pay dividends for years to come. The list is endless.
Hillary should be outrages that the GOP continues to insult our intelligence as women to think that we wanted her as president ONLY because she’s a woman …right??
I am a Democrat first. I want Obama and Hillary, Pelosi and Dean to get their rear in gear and fight for democratic principles. If McCain wins, he will work with them on some issues. If Obama wins, he will work with REpublicans, and we don’t have a clue just exactly what he will work with – a Supreme Court nominee who’s anti-abortion – I wouldn’t put it past him.
thanks tim keep stoking the fire
i am impressed with all i have seen on this post and web site
Lets not forget MCSpongebaths anthem:
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
Also his joke about a woman being raped by an ape. He said that like a month ago.
Very insensitive and disrespectful to this life long democrat!
anybody who would support election fraud and stealing votes was not only never a Democrat, they never even believed in democracy
i hope u r wrong!!!!!!! i believe he saw a maverick and i believe they will be looking to “clean house”
but mccain has to die for her to be pres…obama just elected!!!!!!!
I just want to say if you have children that are older then 18 sign them up for the war… McCain /Palin will support more war…. so instead of some of us that do not support the war in Iraq and do not want our sons to go… show your support and sign them up. Palin is not like Hillary at all. I was a hillary person. I would never support McCain.
There no need to talk down to the PUMAs, regardless if they’re 10 strong or 1 million strong. It doesn’t address the issues or where the candidates stand on the issues.
The PUMA can elect a woman in Palin and then take their cause to steps of the Supreme Court when she helps McCain elect 3 Pro-Life judges. I’m sure those Conversative Sumpreme Court will gladly overturn Roe vs. Wade right before their eyes.
Democrat First, it’s dishonest to beat people over the head with Roe. If you cared about the principles of Roe, you’d know that the battle for choice is no longer primarily in the realm of the judicial (or the Supreme Court). The battle to protect the right to choose occurs on a far more local level: at specific health clinics, within the US Department of Health and Human Services, and in communities all across the nation. Roe isn’t the only battle anymore.
There no need to talk down to the PUMAs, regardless if they’re 10 strong or 1 million strong. It doesn’t address the issues or where the candidates stand on the issues.
The PUMA can elect a woman in Palin and then take their cause to steps of the Supreme Court when she helps McCain elect 3 Pro-Life judges. I’m sure those Conversative Sumpreme Court Justices will gladly overturn Roe vs. Wade right before their eyes.
The trolls are more desperate than usual and especially vague .
We are old folks over here, a couple of old women, maybe a man or two…..BUT most of us are parents. Man, I could tune out a herd of crying kids at a wedding without even noticing it….. Not fazing me….
so true about the crying kids….and 2.0 she would be better than obama too!!!!
Bomb Iran song VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
is this really who you want to support?
No one of EITHER party is going to bomb iran….we will let Israel do that, so stop those scare tactics
I’m showing you THEIR scare tactics. Thats how they thrive!!
not what it sounds like to me
Palin in the Green Room
NEWSWEEK’s Karen Breslau shares a personal moment with the Alaska governor.
Karen Breslau
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
Updated: 2:11 PM ET Aug 29, 2008
When Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin arrived backstage for our NEWSWEEK Women & Leadership Event in Los Angeles last March, John McCain had just wrapped up the GOP nomination. Palin had yet to endorse McCain—she liked Mitt Romney—and as we waited in the green room, I urged her to “feel free” to make some news on stage. She grinned broadly—looking back, I guess it was a grin of the Cheshire Cat variety—and thanked me for the offer.
Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state’s entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn’t support a woman, but she didn’t like Clinton’s “whining.”)
I joked with her about being on McCain’s short list for vice president, and we had a good chuckle. We also talked about the challenges of running a government while also raising a large and young family. At the time, I didn’t know that Palin, clad in a loose, dark dress, was seven months pregnant with her fifth child. An aide called me the next day to tell me that Palin would be announcing the pregnancy at home in Alaska and that she had wanted me to know as a courtesy. She was sorry she hadn’t mentioned it the night before.
A few weeks later, Palin’s son Trig Paxon Van Palin was born prematurely. She and her husband Todd issued a statement saying they knew their fifth child would face “special challenges”—her office later confirmed that Trig had been born with Down syndrome and that the family felt “blessed.”
Jeff, I respect that. Thanks. And going for the repub to try to effect the dem party may be crazy. But where else am I going to go.
VAcardinal, Well it would be nice to give Obama a chance.But anything but the republicans.Let me ask you this.If we continue in Iraq, how will there not be a draft?how many more tours of duty should our troops do?Are you for Privatizing social security? I don’t know about you, but i want to retire.I’m 31 and i physically wouldn’t be able to do the work i do now when i 65.Mccain’s plan to privatize social security is awful.I wouldn’t be able to retire.I can’t afford to put $30-40 a week away.I make less then $30,000.I’m way worse off then i was 8 years ago.Under mccain economic plan,my job could be in jeopardy.The plant i work out is talking layoffs,and moving my job overseas.I’m personally scared shitless with the thought of 4 more years of this crap.
Wow, I just watched jack cafferty foaming at the mouth angry at the Palin choice. I mean he was really seriously angry. From that reaction I can tell McCain hit a home run.
i thought he might actually have a stroke, right there on the “Situation Room” LOL
Jeff, fair questions. Whenever people vote for third parties to try to effect their preferred party, it’s always a tough one. For me, the long term effort to save the party is worth it. I think McCain may indeed be horrible. But the treatment of Hillary is something I will not reward.
yeah but the republican treated hillary way worse then dems ever could ever dream .The republicans spent 12 years treating her like the anti-christ.
no that was bill
and now obama
and Hillary, i work with rednecks who do nothing but listen to right wing talk radio.They have spen years trying to tear Hillary and Bill down.Now it’s Obama.But thats what the repubs do best.They stand for nothing,so they just try to tear people down.
well as a hick i cant stand up for most my ignorant brethern
but i also don t think all dems r like my left wing screw the republican even if it destroys my country like some of my UNC CH friends
Jeff, you seem to think that Obama, a candidate with a very slim resume, is going to wave a magic wand and fix everything. As wiser men have noted: that’s a fairy tale. The smart pick is the experienced politician. The Dem ticket is upside down. The experienced candidate is in the number 2 spot.
But if you really can’t stomach voting for a Republican then vote for the ONLY candidate running who voted AGAINST the war: Cynthia McKinney.
Jeff and nchomedad, you’re both right. The right wing of the Republican party villified BOTH Bill and Hillary for many years. It was reprehensible. They only pretended to warm up to Hillary in recent years because they thought she could be easily beaten in a presidential election, since they already had so much experience viciously tearing away at her.
Jeff, Oh I agree, the repubs hate the Clinton’s with a passion, Hillary included. In fact even now when they can win if they just treat her (and her followers nice), they still can’t help themselves. Funny to watch. But then again, Obama people are still full of Hillary hate and can’t help themselves either. Great character all around.
Jeff, It was the left who ripped Hillary apart in the primary. And now these same haters are starting in on Palin. But I guess it’s okay as long as your side is doing the “tearing down”?
I would like to make two points. First Obama and the DNC brought all this upon themselves. They dissed Hillary though out the primaries. The roll call vote was one of the most undemocractic in my life time. Clinton delegates beat into line to vote against the votes of their own state primaries. The second point, if we want Hillary to be able to run again in 2012, John McCain will have to win in the general election. Pro-choice does not have to be a loser. Justice Sanders looks like he will live to 100 years of age, if he has to retire at some point, the Democrats will have the senate and the house, they can reject the nominee. Justice Ginsberg does have health issues, but hereagain, tough it out as long as possible and then then the Dem’s can reject that one. Now about the war. The war is almost over. We have won and they are now in the clean up stages.. Troops will be coming home before the end of the year. It might take 18 months, but thats’ about the same time frame as Obama is talking about. We can live with McCain for four years. Hillary will be placed as the only person who can win in 2012.
palin? now there’s a lady i can be proud of for my country since i can’t have hillary as president. biden? yawn! i don’t dislike him. in fact there are some things about him i think are fine and some not. but there is no excitement, no promise, in fact nothing! i already know what i know. that the democratic party left me and women under the bus, beside the road, in the basement, over the hill, and anywhere but where we should be. so dnc, kiss off! just to let the reader of this post know i care, let me include in that list the small town folks, the blue collar workers, the abused aa voters, union workers, the young who deserve a better break than even they seem to think, older people. latinos, immigrants, and just about any american except those awful people who mistreated my candidate, insulted by country and thought i was a rug for them to walk on. like i said, kiss off!
Here’s the bottom line. The two top dem candidates basically tied in the popular vote. You can argue about small percentages, but statistically they tied. The only choice was they they should both be on the ticket. Hillary said she would put Obama on the ticket. Obama should have done the same. I can understand resisting because of the change meme, but then he picked someone that’s been in washington 10 years long than McCain has been in washington. So the not-hillary choice was an immensely stupid political choice with the obvious result that many Hillary supporters would not vote for that ticket. Maybe that won’t be a problem, but they can’t come crying to us that they want us to vote for the boys. Sorry, the bed has been made.
For the first time in about a month, I just tuned in to CNN and lo and behold, Campbell Brown is already sitting up questions to start to diss McCain’s vice President choice. Gergen said some of the blogs felt insulted by his choice ( must have been Kos) , he needs to hear from some people on this blog.
Gizmo, no. None of that has occurred to anyone here. If you want political debate, you’ll have to take your points elsewhere.
wonderful post garychapelhill!.
this is exactly it: “she is not an illegitimate candidate. She did not steal votes from her opponent. She did not smear us with charges of racism. ” People ignore this aspect of our discontent and whistle dixie like it doesn’t matter – but it’s the reason I’m PUMA.
I do however think you’re wrong on one account and that is Obama losing. I think he’ll win and that is the source of my new discontent.
Yeah so McCain is the champion of women’s rights. Watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2y8dYwq01g
He’s being pensive, right?
Wait a sec. You want to vote in an anti-choice, anti-environment, big oil person who doesn’t even know what the job of the VP is because she has two X chromosomes? Because Hillary isn’t on the ticket, but may still be a cabinet member?
What about everything we stand for as a party? This is cutting off your nose to spite your face!
Palin thinks that the uterus should be state property, and apparently, that is just peachy.
hillary has a better chance of mccain offering her a cabinet position then obama
Both Bill Clinton and JFK had slim resumes.Both made out pretty good.I never bought that experiance argument.If people bought that whole experaince argument in 92 Bill Clinton wouldn’t of gotten elected.Personally i don’t see the Hillary hate from the obama people.I think most Obama supporters would of been more then happy to back Hillary if she won.The Hillary Hate comes mostly from the The far left of the democratic party who are idiots and they are not keen Obama either.The far left pretty hates everyone except frickin Ralph Nader.
i disagree with the thought the Hillary would benefit from Obama losing.I think it’’s the direct opposite.I think she would be in better position in 4 years if Obama is elected.
As a major supporter of Obama i have high expectations.If he doesn’t live up to his expectations,and doesn’t follow through on issues like health care reform, i think it would put Hillary in the position ran against him in 2012.Similar to ted kennedy running against Jimmy Carter.
Wake up people – Hillary hit it on the head. You weren’t supporting Hillary because of her policies you were supporting Hillary simply because she was a woman. Don’t call yourselves Democrats if you are going to run and support a ticket that is firmly pro-life.
A nation full of whiners? Sounds like you woman in PUMA. Your candidate lost – get over it. Ahhhhh – my candidate didn’t get elected to the nomination so I’m going to go cry in a corner and vote the other way. Pathetic! Is it more important to move this country in the right direction or just break your glass ceiling – apparently just breaking that glass ceiling. You’re no different than Republicans – you don’t care about this country – you just care about your agenda being pushed forward.
STFUASTFD – whiny ass dykes.
All Obama cares about is his race!!! He doesnt care about OUR issues! We may not agree with McCain/Palin on everything – but dammit, screw Obama and the DNC for stealing this election from Hillary.
I AM VOTING MCCAIN/PALIN this time.
I am tired of being told my voice doesnt matter.
I am tired of the misygony in this country
I am tired of the constant hypocrasy
I am tired of the word CHANGE!
Change what Barry? You had your shot to put Hillary on the ticket and now have lost my vote!
18 million strong – we NEED to support McCain/Palin to tell Dean, Nancy, etc. to shut the fck up!
If the Republicans are manipulating me by picking Sarah Palin, then I sure like their manipulation a lot better than the Nazi “thou must vote for Obama! Yah!” form of Democratic manipulation.
My god! If they had an ounce of integrity or intelligence, they would have stopped bullying Hillary’s supporters right after they won the nomination.
I have never seen a bigger lot of sore winners in my life. And totally stupid ones at that. To vote for Obama is to expect more stupid gaffs than the Bush administration.
And has anyone mentioned that fact that Obama is a corrupt politician, and Sarah Palin has worked diligently cleaning up corrupt politicians in Alaska?
Is Obama her next clean up project?
McCain thinks women are stupid. He picked a woman only because he thinks you guys aren’t smart enough to know a ploy when you see one. I can see his thought process now “Uhh…If I choose a woman for VP, I’ll get all of the women who would’ve voted for Hillary to vote for me”.
C’mon, when has the GOP ever cared about womens issues. You all should be insulted. McCain is playing Hillary supporters like a violin and the tune aint up beat.
Beware, you’re being bamboozelled…
You guys have a great holiday weekend and take care…
All you Hillary PUMAs…something to think about….
With the possible exception of the issue of abortion, Sarah Palin is MUCH more of a what you are looking for in a role model for your selves and your daughters ….. dare I say …. than Hillary Clinton. Much more of a self-made woman, whose path was not smoothed by Ivy connections, both hers and her husbands.
Hard to ride the coattails of a commercial fisherman to success..she did it in her own and not because of personal ambition, but her desire to see change — not Bama change, but the real thing –brought to her community. THAT’s at least my definition of a community organizer.
My guess is, after 4 years — or 8 — you women will be raring to go for Sarah for President.
Maybe that will mean real change – like, the toilet seats in the White House spring-loaded to fall back in place after being lifted…. (he says, ducking…
As an African American, feminist woman I disagree with what you’re saying. As a woman that respects Hillary Clinton for her accomplishments and beliefs – I think it’s total slap in her face to compare Palin to somebody as great as Hillary Clinton. Thats like comparing the expertise of a ten year old to Senator Clinton. Hillary Clinton deserves more respect than that.
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AK, abortion is a *big* issue. While not the primary issue in this campaign, it may sadly go under the radar. I honestly think people don’t understad how dangerous a McCain presidency is. Ginsberg and Stevens may retire or worse (God forbid!) and do you honestly think that McCain or Palin would appoint judges that will uphold Roe v. Wade. That will be the first thing that is gone. Along with amendements to our great, but slowly fading, constitution around banning gay marriage, etc.
The President has two primary powers — declaring war under imminent threat and appointing Supreme Court judges. And McCain will use the latter to his advantage if given the opportunity.
What I never really understood about PUMAs is that they blame Barack Obama himself for all their ills. He did nothing illegal or immoral during the process. He won it under the process that was given to him. That process may be a failure, but he didn’t manipulate that process in any illegal way. Blame the process, not Obama.
I know I am preaching to an empty room in this particular blog, but I feel it must be said. Just think 4 years from now when McCain has finished his first term — it is very possible that this country looks totally different than it does now; even worse shape than it is now. Your social rights have been stripped immensely. I implore you not to give that up out of spite. Vote Obama, work to fix the DNC, then kick him out in 2012 and get Hillary into office. That is so much better than the disaster that can be the McCain presidency.
And, by the way, I totally agree that our political system is all messed up and needs to be fixed. So count me in the reform process. But I cannot, will not, allow John McCain due grave damage to make it happen.
Good luck!
I still just don’t understand where you are getting most of your opinions and facts about Barack Obama, and how you, as an obviously educated person are so willing to give into to the flow show that John McCain is putting on for you. All of the women in our history fought for principles that advanced their rights. The right to vote, the right to choose, the right to not be used as a political ploy. I understand the passion of Hillary supporters, but is the only reason you supported her the fact that she’s a woman? It sounds as if the only reason you will support Palin is for that fact alone. The women who gave their blood sweat and tears to this country to advance intelligent causes would be very disappointed in people like you. Vote for the issues, not overblown, made up controversies to cover up for the fact that they candidate you wanted to be there isn’t there.
If you were a true Hillary supporter, then you supported her because of her stance on this issues, not her because of her race or her gender. If those are the true reasons why you supported her, then the accusations of others than voters like you discriminate isn’t very far off base.
The fact that many of you think Palin would be a qualified President is truly a scary thought. Get out of your houses, go to a neighborhood that is of a lower class than yours. Go see some of the real problems in the world. I agree that we need a good role model in the White House for our children, but if you think that is John McCain, then you obviously don’t know very much about his character and his voting record.
….and one more thing.
I know it sounds like I am telling you how to vote — which I guess I am
But I really do believe that we are at a crossroads in our history with respect to this election, especially when it comes to the Supreme Court. Bush has already appointed 2 folks. And McCain has the opportunity to appoint at least 1 and maybe 2 more. That is what scares me to death! If it wasn’t for that, I wouldn’t be so concerned about a McCain presidency (just a bit concerned
), but with the Supreme Court at stake, where justices have lifetime appointments, I cringe just thinking about it.
As a woman, I’m offended at the extreme sexism necessary for anyone to believe that I would vote for someone who is unqualified and totally clueless on foreign policy, the Iraq war, what exactly a vice president does or does not do, simply because she is of my gender.
I think you’re wrong on this issue. Most women will find this pick offensive, an insult to the Oval Office.
And she supported the Bridge to Nowhere, initially…then said yesterday she didn’t. The corruption in her office, investigations of abuses of power ALREADY…well, let’s just say that Sarah Palin knows she is only being picked for what’s between her legs, not what she really stands for (whatever that is) and the fact she is OK WITH THAT speaks volumes — for how far women have yet to go, not for how far they’ve come.
fixthebroken, it is so easy to say “Vote Obama, work to fix the DNC, then kick him out in 2012 and get Hillary into office” But why would I believe that when people promised to stay loyal to Hillary and went over to Obama for all the wrong reasons. I have a friend, who was for hillary, told me that he hasn’t a clue what obama stands for but he is black and that is all he cares about. This is what scares me. Obama is a great man but he should have been the V.P. choice and let Hillary guide him. We would have had the next 16 years in the bag. I don’t believe Obama can beat McCain now. He blew it by not picking Hillary.
I am EXCITED. Not because she is a woman, but because who she is and what she represents. McCain clearly didn’t just pick her because of her sex—although there is no woman on the face of the Earth he could have picked without people saying that’s why and be mortally offended. Smart choice? Yes, for more than one reason.
I want to be clear that I haven’t decided to vote McCain-Palin yet. I need more information and I want to investigate more about her. But her is my first impression. I have been so dissatisfied with every other candidate, including Obama’s self-righteous pick for VP and both Obama and McCain, as people, seem so fake to me. I don’t agree with either of them on the issues and each one would make changes I don’t want to see happen. After watching Obama’s speech at the closing night of the Democratic Convention I was feeling so disheartened that I really had no desire to watch McCain’s speech next week. A lot of American’s feel this way and not just snubbed Hilary supporters. For me, after all the niceties and the pompous politics, her genuine untainted desire for the good of this country struck me like a shining beacon of hope. She doesn’t want the glory like the rest of em–she just wants to do what’s best for the country and THAT is what is should be all about. I hope that she lives up to that first impression.
mariamecham…right on!!! I totally agree. The debates are going to be so important. I am a Hillary supporter and my vote is up for grabs.
Jaime
Jaime, I hope you believe me that I am on your side in fixing the political process. I think it is totally out of whack right now. It is crazy. It needs to be fixed. But not at the expense of the people of the country.
I look at it this way. If HIllary Clinton won the nomination, there is no guarantee she would have chosen Obama to be VP. We don’t know that nor will we ever know. What I do know is that I would have voted for Hillary Clinton without hesitation and without anger. I love Hillary Clinton. I don’t believe there would be the uproar there is today from the PUMAs if Obama lost — I think the Obama folks would have come over to HIllary in a much quicker manner even though they, like you, would have had a case that Obama got robbed.
My point is that voting for McCain has the possibility of reversing all of the progress that Hillary Clinton has fought for. There will be no universal healthcare under McCain. That is a fact. The Supreme Court is in extreme jeopardy under McCain. That is a fact. (As a side note: I actually hope that Obama chooses Hillary Clinton as a Supreme Court nominee — so much more of a powerful position than president).
Don’t blow it for Hillary in 2012. If McCain wins it could be very possible she won’t have any chance to fix the damage. At least with Obama you know that when Hillary does step in, progress would have been made around her values.
You said “I don’t believe Obama can beat McCain now. He blew it not picking Hillary” – I agree that he should have offered her the job (maybe he did and she didn’t want it). We will never know what happened between them two. But I *know* Obama can’t beat McCain without many Hillary Clinton supporters coming back to the Democratic Party. And I fear for my kids if McCain becomes President. Seriously I do. I can’t let that happen to them. I love them too much and I respect their rights too much.
Dont want to mislead in my post. I am repub and found PUMA’s sight by seeing Darraugh (my wifes name is dara) on tv last night. I would like to ask you Hillary fans a question. If Biden were to remove himself from VP and Obama named Hillary for VP would all be forgiven? And would Hillary accept at this point? Just interested in response.
Ajohson, my opinion is that would be even more a slap in the face to Hillary supporters (PUMAs) than what I consider McCain’s choice for Palin a slap in the face to me and the entire political process.
It would be obvious pandering on the part of Obama and would get crucified for it. That’s why VP picks need to be made at the exact same date and time by all parties.
mariamecham, Palin may want to do what’s best for the country, but that is in terms of her own beliefs. Palin and Clinton are exact opposites from pretty much every issue that is important. And in a term where the Supreme Court is very likely up for grabs, McCain/Palin could make it impossible for 30+ years to undo any damage done to some social rights like abortion, gay marriage and even stem-cell research. When Clinton became President, she would be stuck with no where to go. Obama, while you may be mad at him, will at least give Clinton a head start to where Clinton believes this country should be.
I would never argue anyone’s desire to do what they think is best for the country — but their own beliefs will always get in the way. And, personally, I think Palin is more dangerous than McCain with those beliefs.
I really hope you look into exactly what Palin believes before casting your ballot because once you cast that ballot there is no going back.
Thats why the move on.org group supports Obama jeff, he is as far left as a person can be! McCain is the only choice when it comes to center!
“It’s bot Obama’s fault the rules are F—–”
Jeez, Jeff. That’s the only thing you’ve said that ’s true.
We talk about experience and thin resumes on the part of the candidates. I have a some really Important Questions. I hope someone can answer them. Does Obama have a degree in Constitutional Law? Is that what he went to Harvard for? Did he actually become a lawyer? Did he pass the bar? If, Obama majored in Constitutional Law then did he also want a career in politics early on or to be a professor? Not many people major in Constitutional Law. I wonder why he did. Could he have had an agenda early on? Was he ever employed as a teacher? If, so for how long? The real problem with Obama goes past experience…I believe He is THE INVISIBLE CANDIDATE. I think it’s so odd that he has no record of any substance. (100+ times voted present) It looks like he can’t be held accountable for anything. He wears too many hats and has changed his positions too many times during these primaries. At least we knew where we stood with Hillary. She made lots of choices some popular some not; so did Biden; McCain and Palin. I think it’s really strange that a man with virtually no record even got to speak at the Democratic Convention in 2004.
Ralea 9
We just played a part in having a woman put on the presidential ticket.
PUMAs, we have a lot of work to do.
PUMAs put Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney and Sarah Palin on the ballots.
Well done, PUMAs.
Do women have to do EVERYTHING?
I think I’ve said something stupid.
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Excellent prophetic insights into the reasons Barack will be losing the Election.
I’d like to add that Obama did not learn a thing from his purported mentor, John F. Kennedy. JFK appointed his arch-foe Southern senator Lyndon B. Johnson as his V-P and went on to win the 1960 election.
Barack being the immature megalomaniac that he is, passed over Hillary who could have delivered the 18 millions in person and showed that he prefers to shield his gigantic fragile ego protected than to think outside his solipsist universe and put the best interests of his country, African Americans and women at the forefront.
Sweetie better start “getting over it” as he’s fast running out of xerox paper with Biden….