Onero Fiddles while Rome Burns

Posted on August 14, 2008 by garychapelhill

Onero fiddles while Rome burns

Joined by two friends from Chicago, staffer Marvin Nicholson, and some pals from Hawaii, the presumptive Democratic nominee dropped by Luana Hills Country Club in Kailua, Hawaii today for a round of golf – the second golf outing of his week long vacation. The candidate, donned in khakis, a red polo, and a baseball cap, carried his clubs from his Secret Service motorcade to a waiting motorcade of golf carts.

GORI, Georgia — Russia’s foreign minister declared Thursday that the world “can forget about” Georgia’s territorial integrity, and American and Georgian officials said Russia appeared to be targeting military infrastructure — including radars and patrol boats at a Black Sea naval base and oil hub…The United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi on Thursday and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice launched emergency talks in France aimed at heading off a wider conflict.

Kind of reminds me a little of this;

Pumaaliance explains what a difference having Hillary as President would make.  Here’s Hillary in 2002:

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Can we have Hillary back now please?

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112 Responses

  1. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am Said:

    We have had to look and listen to this idiot for 8 years. The thought of having to do the same with a matching successor is more than one can bear. Our beautiful country and our magnificent constitution should not have to settle for egotistical lightweights who have little regard for either.

  3. pumaalliance, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am Said:

    ok, 2nd. I can live with 2nd to the great Pat Johnson! :)

  4. pumaalliance, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:48 am Said:

    if he gets past the nominating process, OBush will lose and lose badly. I am convinced of it.

  5. jonas8, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:52 am Said:

    It seems that Democratic officials reached the decision to place the New York Senator’s name on the ballot alongside Obama in Denver.

    check NYtimes and thepage

    what now?

  6. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:54 am Said:

    Obama = Bush

    I don’t know how many ways Obama has to prove it!

  7. nobomo, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:55 am Said:

    OK now…. she will have her name on the roll call…now every body and every PUMA line up… NOT!

  8. Lady Boomer NYC, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:56 am Said:

    garychapelhill,

    I agree, reminds me of both Bushies — on extended vacays while the world erupts below their noses. Ho hum.

    “Just you wait, ‘enry, ‘iggins, just you wait.”

    xxoo

  9. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:56 am Said:

    jonas8 – I think we have to make sure it is real and not scripted…

  10. MrMike, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:57 am Said:

    Better to say nothing than stick your foot in your mouth. For Obama silence is golden.

  11. Sophia, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am Said:

    Breaking news on CNN: Hillary’s name will be placed in nomination at the Convention!!!!

  12. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am Said:

    I heard she is getting her name into nomination so that she can graciously move the delegates to BO.

    Is that our goal! I say “Hell NO!”

    Punishment, Retribution and Reform 2008

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  13. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm Said:

    I wish I could be as convinced outright that he will not win should he capture the nomination. I would sleep so much better. Count me in as a Doubting Thomas since I have witnessed the dirty tricks and shenanigans employed to get him this far. We all wholeheartedly agree that his shortcomings far outweigh his qualifications and we are now getting a closer look at his personality, but I am concerned with the public buying into this hype in November simply because they agree they “have no where else to go”.

    We may be holdouts but can we be assured that our doubts and suspicions will be embraced by others who may not follow this lying narrative as closely as those of us here? This is what keeps me awake at nights.

  14. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pm Said:

    Unless Ed wants to join me, I am in moderation again.

  15. Salt, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm Said:

    . Yes indeed go hide he was in self destruct mode so this is more out of the lime light and gaff route then vacation. And, oh by the way, slime Hill whilst I’m gone.

    Question why dose John Edwards not need to return every contribution he received a defective product usually can be returned.

  16. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:04 pm Said:

    Hillary can make a “gift” of her delegates to Obama but her supporters will not be so willing to be packaged and gift wrapped in turn.

  17. chatblu, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pm Said:

    @Pat: No onee, but no one, does dirty election tricks better than the Republicans. From Donald Segretti to Karl Rove, nobody does it better.

  18. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pm Said:

    Didn’t Obama’s admonition to the Russians result in a halt to the invasion? Seems I read somewhere that Tim Kaine raised this very issue while at the same time Russia was bombing the hell out of Gori. Oh well, my mistake. The media must be showing old clips of last week’s fighting since O has resolved this crisis from the golf course. What a guy!!!

  19. nobomo, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm Said:

    Pat Johnson:

    I hear you; I also have doubts about people who may fall into this “now we are united” bullshit.

  20. Chevalier, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:14 pm Said:

    I think we must fight for not just Hillary’s name in the nomination but also make LASTING changes to the Democratic Party nomincation process so the kind of nonsense we’ve seen this year is never replicated.

    Has anyone drafted out a list of changes we’d like to see? e.g. No caucuses, one person one vote, only democrats allowed to vote, etc etc.?

  21. MABlue, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pm Said:

    “OMG! OMG! OMG!

    There is a terrible crisis somewhere in the world. Somebody please get me Barack Obama!”

    Don’t you react with a guffaw if you hear this?

    And the Dem establishment seriously thinks this guy should be CiC? Please.

  22. Chevalier, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:16 pm Said:

    If there is such a draft we could now focus on starting the discussions so that those changes are incorporated in the Party documents by the next primary….we can push for an announcement of some kind at the convention?

  23. fif, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pm Said:

    Oh c’mon you guys–leave poor Bawack alone! He needs his rest after
    Working very very hard to steal the nomination. He just wants the
    Perks (like the nifty plane & that cool presidential seal) but someone
    Else who “knows a lot more stuff” can do the work part.

    Re: Hrc in nomination: don’t trust it a bit. The fix is in.

  24. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pm Said:

    chatblu: But the Dems have learned from the masters! Rove and Donna B are BFFs so we have learned. And no one can top Axelrod so far in this department. The Repubs are good,no doubt, but the Dems this time around are stopping at nothing. The intimidation in many circles has been over the top. When it comes to their boy Obama they are prepared to break laws.

  25. edgeoforever, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pm Said:

    What war? Tim Kaine said on Faux Putin obeyed the One and the war is over. There’s no war! Nothing to see here! move along!

  26. plural, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:20 pm Said:

    MABlue:

    There is a terrible crisis somewhere in the world. Somebody please get me Barack Obama!

    Now that’s scary.

  27. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:20 pm Said:

    TM has an article – There Goes the White House!

    Jest of the story – if McCain picks Ridge who is pro-choice, it is over for the Democrats.

  28. Salt, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:21 pm Said:

    Clinton’s Name Will Be Put in Nomination

    per nyt

  29. riverdaughter, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm Said:

    ALERT!!! If the media is spreading rumors of a deal at the convention, iit’s because we are making the DNC nervous and they want to make us hiccup and pause. Do not let up. Anything can happen as long as she does not release her delegates. The superdelegates are going to feel intense heat very, very soon. Darragh has been giving interviews left and right and one of our own, I’ m not saying who, can get the word out as well. We must turn it up to 11 and remain united and strong.
    Do nothing else until you hear from her.
    It’s time to call on Howard Dean to exercise leadership and call Obama’s thugs in or the Democrats are going to lose in a landslide.

  30. chatblu, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:24 pm Said:

    Pat: true, true true. Let’s see if the old adage regarding age and treachery overcoming youth and skill will be applicable here. If nothing else, this should be absolutely fascinating political theatre.

  31. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:24 pm Said:

    When Bush was “selected” in 2000 I cringed at the thought of him going face to face with Arafat. Now, 8 years later the thought of Obama doing the same with Putin is hysterically funny if it weren’t so serious. Keep in mind, much of that oil we depend on can be halted in its tracks if Putin puts out the word. He has done it before in Europe for a 24 hour period during a very bitter winter just to give us all a preview of what he was capable of doing.

    Obama and Putin, laughable. Putin will eat him up and spit him out in a second. Hillary can go toe to toe with these guys because they know she knows her stuff. Obama, a featherweight they gleefully await.

  32. edwardian, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:24 pm Said:

    Pat: “but the Dems this time around are stopping at nothing. The intimidation in many circles has been over the top. When it comes to their boy Obama they are prepared to break laws.”

    Yeah, and, of course, with the substantial aid of the MSM. Looks like 2002, 2003 all over again.

  33. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Said:

    I more or less agree with the Ridge selection. They can also point to his tenure at Homeland Security for good measure.

  34. Salt, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Said:

    August 14, 2008, 10:50 am
    Clinton’s Name Will Be Put in Nomination
    By Jeff Zeleny

  35. Boo Radly, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:28 pm Said:

    RD – affirmative!!!!!! You are sooo good girl!

  36. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:28 pm Said:

    Riverdaughter is asking for caution on this announcement.

  37. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:29 pm Said:

    Thanks, RD!!! I agree. This is more Obama haka. Don’t fall for it – they’re still planning on handing the nomination to Obama.

    On the bright side, this means DEFINITELY no VP. Hooray!!!

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  38. kenoshaMarge, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:30 pm Said:

    Alegre is also reporting via Ben Smith that Senator Clinton’s name will be put in nomination.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Clinton_in_nomination.html?showall

    And the Obamanation is of course saying that’s just what they wanted all along. Can you all say bee ess?

  39. fred, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm Said:

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 43% of the vote while John McCain earns 42%
    Barry ran 10,000 adds in Florida McCain 0 McCain leads by 6. …..All the money in the world can’t get Barry elected
    PUMA’S You are standing your ground

  40. edwardian, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm Said:

    Though wouldn’t Ridge as McCain’s veep threaten to alienate (even moreso) the GOP’s conservative, anti-abortion/pro-life, religious-evangelical base?

  41. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm Said:

    mad – good for you.

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  42. Karolina NYC, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm Said:

    I am going to be keeping my eyes wide open to see if Russians are not being somehow provoked. And, believe me I have no historic love for Russia, being of largely Ukrainian descent. However, I DO think that we “need to be shown” the goodguy-badguy scenario quickly, with Russia as badguy, of course, to get our video-game, TV reality-show juices going so we can be bucking for the start of the BIG WAR that’ll save the $$$ of the big folks who stand to lose much if the fast-crashing world economy tanks, or is saved by honest and just means (i.e., to them, possibly if Hillary is potentially President).

  44. Salt, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:33 pm Said:

    RD’s correct the announcement is to come later today from the DNC…it’s like chess they try to minimize her speaking role she trumps them. Makes you wonder what else might be coming scandal wise with Obama’s hiding out I don’t buy vacation, WHY?. IF what NQ has been posting is true Obama will be lucky to win more than 10 States. Let’s see if the SD’s have the spin to go with the will of the Base instead of mama Pelosi and Dean and a sure IMO to fail Obama nominee.

  45. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm Said:

    The GOP wants to win at any cost.

  46. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:35 pm Said:

    This sound more like a kid at a party forced to share one of his many lollipops with another. He is reluctant, he wants them all, but someone convinced him to “share” a little. The little bastard does so begrudgingly but wants the credit for “playing
    nice” while at the same time kicking the ankles of the other kid in spite.

  47. Woman Voter, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm Said:

    Hillary will get a roll call vote…can anyone confirm? Please keep up the pressure those three videos are making an impact, the DNC realizes that it will go down in history as preventing Hillary from competing and fixing the race.

    Please keep passing those videos via e-mail.
    ………………………………………
    Democratic Process O8
    Host Leslie Stevens

    Program Sponsored
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    The Educational Foundation for the Integrity
    of the Democratic Process
    Asheville, North Carolina

    Connect-the-Dots Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
    Connect-the-Dots Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
    Connect-the-Dots Part 3

  48. sm77, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:37 pm Said:

    Good afternoon Conflucians!! Just saw the news of Hillary’s convention roll call – no mention of the ballot!????

  49. campskunk, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:37 pm Said:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/The_convention_deal.html

    joint statement from Obama’s and Clinton’s camps:

    Since June, Senators Obama and Clinton have been working together to ensure a Democratic victory this November. They are both committed to winning back the White House and to to ensuring that the voices of all 35 million people who participated in this historic primary election are respected and heard in Denver. To honor and celebrate these voices and votes, both Senator Obama’s and Senator Clinton’s names will be placed in nomination.

    “I am convinced that honoring Senator Clinton’s historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion,” said Senator Barack Obama.

    Senator Obama’s campaign encouraged Senator Clinton’s name to be placed in nomination as a show of unity and in recognition of the historic race she ran and the fact that she was the first woman to compete in all of our nation’s primary contests.

    “With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again,” said Senator Hillary Clinton.

    Senator Obama and Senator Clinton are looking forward to a convention unified behind Barack Obama as the Party’s nominee and to victory this fall for America.

  50. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm Said:

    edwardian: If Obama chooses a pro choice candidate for VP they cancel each other out. Many voters are looking for an excuse to go to McCain. Ridge as pro choice, Catholic, and having a resume that is suitable could easily fill that role.

  51. plural, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm Said:

    Senator Obama’s campaign encouraged Senator Clinton’s name to be placed in nomination

    Snort.

  52. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm Said:

    SM: That is what I am waiting to hear as well.

  53. edwardian, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm Said:

    Pat: True. But if McCain were able to shore/fire up the GOP base — as well as hold steady among independents and some disaffected Dems — he’d likely win in a landslide – far beyond the reaches of any ballot-tampering, voter suppression chicanery.

  54. brtl12, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm Said:

    “With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again,” said Senator Hillary Clinton.

    Sorry Senator Clinton. I am behind you 100% but I cannot support Senator Obama.

  55. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm Said:

    BO – NO Deal!

    Full Floor Fight or McCain!

    Super Delegates you are idiots! Wake up or you will be saying President McCain for the next 4 years!

    FULL FLOOR FIGHT HILLARY!

    We got you this far, we will walk behind you as you lead us to the White House!

    There is no victory here until she Fights all the way!

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  56. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm Said:

    Carol echoes my sentiments exactly. Floor fight!

  57. Elixir, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm Said:

    Wow, check out the comments section on the NYT article re HRC’s name being put in nomination:

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/clintons-name-will-be-put-in-nomination/

    Some nasty, bitter, clinging comments which appear to be mostly from women. Interesting.

  58. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm Said:

    I’m not in this for the “farce of it!”

    FULL FLOOR FIGHT!

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  59. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm Said:

    Well, no matter what they say now, they were NEVER going to allow the nomination to happen. PUMAs made this happen and we should be very proud of ourselves!

    What next? I hope Hillary is playing a deep game and, now that she has gotten her name in nomination, will un-suspend right before the Convention.

    :evil:

  60. fred, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm Said:

    Who did this statement come from Michelle Obama , this is propaganda. They knew that there were enough signed delegates to get her name place in nomination, their trying avoid the appearance of the no unity unity. These people and these psychological childish mind games.

  61. riverdaughter, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm Said:

    Fuck Unity! We’ll have unity after Howard Dean tells the Obama crew to back off the threats and intimidation of the delegates. We’ll have unity when Hillary’s name is put in nomination with no conditions. We’ll have unity when all of the superdelegates hear us say that Obama will lose if this convention is not fair, transparent and open. We’ll have unity when they take their responsibilities to their voters seriously. We’ll have unity when all the speeches and arguments are heard for *both* candidates and the roll call proceeds without twisted arms and ruined lives. Then, when we know who the real People’s Choice is, we’ll have Unity. Until then, we got nothing.

  62. fred, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm Said:

    /where

  63. Woman Voter, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm Said:

    Hillary has to have a ‘proper’ roll call vote and she must be on the ballot! To do otherwise will essentially be like having a boxing match with one fighter NOT ALLOWED IN THE RING!

    I joined the Democratic Party not the Obama ‘controlled’ Party…

    Do RIGHT BY THE VOTERS OR FACE THE MUSIC IN NOVEMBER!

    Please keep passing those videos via e-mail and don’t let up the pressure. This videos prove that they are treating Hillary in an UN-DEMOCRATIC way! We should not have her rights abridged! ACT NOW and keeping passing these videos along.

    I hope PUMA plays them at the PUMA Den so that the reporters can get a gist of what has been happing. It is our duty as citizens to DEMAND reform and DEMAND a NEW VOTERS RIGHTS ACT so that this doesn’t happen again.
    ………………………………………
    Democratic Process O8
    Host Leslie Stevens

    Program Sponsored
    by
    The Educational Foundation for the Integrity
    of the Democratic Process
    Asheville, North Carolina

    Connect-the-Dots Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
    Connect-the-Dots Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
    Connect-the-Dots Part 3

  64. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm Said:

    To have to fight for the right that is your due is ridiculous. However, if this is the only way to proceed, I am all for it.

    President Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, 44th President of the US sworn into office on January 21st, 2009!

  65. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm Said:

    I am breaking my moratorium and putting on the tv for a pulse of the reaction that this will surely invoke.

    PUMAs are the very best of our democracy!

  66. Pragmatist, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm Said:

    they are trying to turn PUMAS into kitty cats (it stinks)!

    Don’t go along with it!

  67. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm Said:

    Word, RD!!!

  68. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm Said:

    RD, fred, madab, everyone, I agree this is not the ballgame but consider it progress since Hillary made her remark about “catharsis” and B0 made his on plane about not needing catharsis. Now lets focus on the next step by making sure it is an honest roll call with no conditions as RD just said. I have used the analogy of a poker game before and so far I think Hillary is drawing to what I think is called an inside straight? I hope so and will work to help her. I think they are feeling the heat but so are Hillary’s delegates as RD said in her post so lets let them know we appreciate it since they are spending their own money to get to the convention. Is there any way to find out who may not be attending for financial reasons? SD from our districts need to know that we expect them to attend and vote.

  69. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:02 pm Said:

    Fox News.

  70. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:03 pm Said:

    Carol, thanks just turned on TV

  71. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm Said:

    Does anyone know why Russia is pulling this shit? I haven’t paid any attention. What the f*ck do they want?

  72. Linda, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pm Said:

    oil

  73. plural, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:06 pm Said:

    empire

  74. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:06 pm Said:

    They have the oil. They are the ones delivering it through the pipelines.

  75. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm Said:

    Is this punishment for the break?

    BO better be paying attention if he doesn’t think we won’t storm the grounds of the WH if he tries to take it with a coup!

  76. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm Said:

    Carol – from what I’m reading, the Georgians started it, encouraged by our puppet who runs the government.

    However, the history of Russia and Georgia is full of aggression by both sides.

  77. Kim, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:09 pm Said:

    RD thanks for your comments. You sound as pissed as I am over this. This is a tidbit tossed our way to promote unity and like you said, Fuck Unity.

  78. Linda, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:12 pm Said:

    Part of the Russia-Georgia conflict is talked about here. Sorry I don’t know how to do the link thing.

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=3&article_id=94936

  79. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm Said:

    McCain and BO in a live forum Saturday nite. This should be funny if it weren’t so serious.

  80. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm Said:

    Someone earlier posted a link to a Hillary senate floor speech on subject in 2002 and last night saw a reference to a policy statement during the primaries. as usual, Hillary is informed and prepared and B0 is head of the committee that should be overseeing Europe??????

  81. michael P Varvel, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm Said:

    Ok my AP feed says clinton to be put in nomination is it true? is it a real nomination that could lead to a floor fight or is it a fake in name only nomination?

    fuzzybeargville

  82. sm77, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:14 pm Said:

    Riverdaughter – preach the word!!!!!

    Please oh please oh please do a RiverDaughter Tell Off Letter (TM) ?

  83. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:14 pm Said:

    Michael – I think it’s fake! More Schmoonity. Bee ESS!!

  84. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pm Said:

    Fuzzybear, that is the question, but B0 is changing his rhetoric so we are having some small impact but I am too old to believe the BS but as I stated earlier hope it is one step in Hillary’s plan

  85. Woman Voter, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm Said:

    Yes, imagine, the FIRST WOMAN CANDIDATE WITH THE POPULAR VOTE has to FIGHT TO GET WHAT IS DUE HER! Oh, and criticized for having her supporters demand this. Pelosi said we were not ‘gracious’! GRACIOUS, GRACIOUS…should we also say thank you for rigging the election, and keeping our candidate off the ballot?

    GOOD GRACIOUS to think that they want us to say thank you and please when they kick us and knock us down….yet we keep on fighting! PUMA is very gracious…it just says thank you before it bites back!

  86. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm Said:

    Carol, so B0 needed a vacation in Hawaii to prepare for this forum? will it be televised?

  87. madamab, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm Said:

    Woman Voter – If Pelosi were a bit less “gracious,” maybe she could have impeached Bush and Cheney and stopped this d*mn war already!!!!

    She’s so freaking useless…

  88. Annetoo, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm Said:

    My understanding is It started when Kosovov declared its self an independent state without asking or dealing with the UN….Which would be one thing. But we ” recognized” them…. which in feb Russia told us not to do or there would be trouble. Because many places want to chuck the UN and do that and now we see one place has. This is a problem because many groups live within these areas and hey they want what the other guy has etc. Of course we give a damn because plucky Georgia has or is part of a vast oil field .

  89. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:19 pm Said:

    News Alert:

    Now it is being reported that they are attempting an electronic vote with only the tally reported. No recognition of the roll call state by state.

    BULLSHIT!

    FULL FLOOR FIGHT HILLARY OR NO DEAL!

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  90. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:20 pm Said:

    CNN on Saturday!

  91. Kim, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm Said:

    BULLSHIT, it is fake, just to appease us because we are pissed.

    Just keep pissing on your conflakes and ask why they taste so bad.

  92. Carol, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm Said:

    How F*cking stupid do these people think we are?

    Grow up assw*pes! You are dealing with adults here!

    PUMA HAKA :evil:

  93. Karolina NYC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pm Said:

    The history of Russia and ALL the other countries around it is full of aggression because Russia was an imperialism before it was the “Soviet Union”. The countries wanted to maintain their century-old cultures, languages, governments, lands, and Russia/Soviet Russia felt entitled to all lands and resources of the countries around it. They were merciless in keeping the countries around them under suppression.

    It can be compared historically to Britain as an imperialism.

  94. Woman Voter, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm Said:

    Yup, tell me about it! She could have stopped a lot of things but didn’t. That is why Sheehan is running against her and moveon.org is supporting Pelosi. Remember they used Sheehan and he grief over losing her son to gain control over congress, which got Pelosi elected as Speaker and then they quickly forgot why they were elected.

    Sheehan was then thrown under the bus and so she moved and is running against her.

    Gracious was Pelosi when she ignored all the misogyny during the primary election and we now know why…her pac was giving money to all those that endorsed Obama and she gave more money to men than to women (see NQ article on her and her pac). I guess gracious is being just one of the good Ole Boys! She is also from old money and I don’t think she connects with working folks or their experience.
    Breaking Investigative Report: Bought and Paid For! By Nancy Pelosi
    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/13/bought-and-paid-for-by-nancy-pelosi/

  95. Annetoo, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:27 pm Said:

    I will be extra interested in hearing what Heidi says on NPR today given this development….but agreed, it’s phoney kabuki

  96. dakinikat, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:29 pm Said:

    I had to be so wag the dog, but I wouldn’t put it past cheney to create a little trouble between russia and georgia to boost McCain’s chances.

  97. Karolina NYC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm Said:

    Madamab—Pelosi is not at all useless. She’s very, very useful to the Republicans.

  98. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm Said:

    Carol, Electronic Vote???? Cuss Word Cuss Word!!!! I do try to look for any encouragement. Nice try but it stinks!!!!!!

    Fox News–”friendly agreement but is Hillary planning a convention surprise” showing they have chosen the wrong candidate

  99. Pat Johnson, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:31 pm Said:

    The CNN broadcast on Sunday is a pre recorded happening featuring McCain and The One with Rick Warren. The discussion will take place on who is”more spiritual” and “holier than the other” bullshit in order to play up to the Religious Right. Just more “garbage can” issues playing out as serious dialogue to select the more “righteous” candidate and further erode addressing real issues.

    Then we can all sit around and debate who has a better chance of reaching God’s ear in a time of crisis and who has the stronger pipeline into God’s personal cellphone when that time arises.

    And just like the rest of us, God will be paying close attention but will act as the final arbiter of which one of these lowdown morons has pandered the most indecently.

    Just another typical Sunday night program designed to fill the airwaves with insignificant horse manure and brought o you by CNN, the “most trusted name in bullshit”.

  100. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:32 pm Said:

    Annetoo, time and channel?

  101. michael P Varvel, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:32 pm Said:

    my NT time resp:

    FDR the president who won WWII and saw our nation through the great depression won his nomination on the 4th ballot-Any symbolic “nomination from the floor with out any real “fair reflection” by the delegates still stinks of an Obama coronation.

    Sorry I own my vote and I am a life long Democrat, the primary/caucus process was tampered with to ensure an Obama win-this is a sham convention He will never have my vote.

    I encourage all Hillary supporters to join the PUMA movement and vote against the “selected” candidate.

    The Democrats learned nothing in 2000 and 2004 we deserve another defeat in 2008.

    I can hear the crys on November 5th-”those people” those PUMA’s” stole the election from Senator Obama, they should have fell in line do they think that you really can vote for whom you choose?

    Sorry Clinton haters you will reap what you sow and It is your fault not ours.

    Michael P Varvel-PUMA Power

  102. Elixir, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:33 pm Said:

    @ carol 1:13 p.m.,

    Notice that they don’t call it a “debate” now do they? It sounds really phoney and w/out much hype. I bet it’s some split screen crap with BO still in HI and McCain wherever. the audience asking questions of both candidates who aren’t even on the same stage. That’s my guess.

  103. Annetoo, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:40 pm Said:

    Heidi will be on today , I believe shortly

    http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp080814preview_of_the_democ

    The Democratic National Convention is two weeks away, and all eyes are on…Hillary Clinton? Thursday, on To the Point, as Barack Obama wraps up a vacation in Hawaii, some say Bill and Hillary Clinton are stealing the spotlight in Denver? What price is Obama willing to pay for party unity?

    Ugh

  104. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:45 pm Said:

    Annetoo, thankyou was looking for scheduling on local NPR radio station

  105. Annetoo, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm Said:

    Looks like on To the Point, with Heidi will be on 3 pm Eastern time

    http://www.kcrw.com/

    It’s in the ” today’s schedule” on the home page box

  106. Annetoo, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:48 pm Said:

    Phala, you can listen though the computor I believe .
    They have a link for the show on the home page .

  107. Woman Voter, on August 14th, 2008 at 1:54 pm Said:

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1832767,00.html
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took a swipe at the Clinton die-hards Wednesday.

    “I think Hillary Clinton has been very gracious,” the San Francisco Democrat told Bay Area talk show host Ronn Owens. “I think some of her supporters have been less than gracious.”
    …………………………………………….

    We must be “some of her supporters”…tsk, tsk, tsk…Oh my these ladies, they just are very gracious…when some votes are taken away, others given to another candidate that wasn’t on the ballot and some declared 1/2 a person.

  108. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm Said:

    Annetoo, thank you I couldn’t find it on local programming but will recheck or listen on computer. appreciate you help

  109. Annetoo, on August 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pm Said:

    You know what Mother Jones use to say

    ” God made women…..Rockefeller made Ladies “

    This ” not be gracious ” charge is a laugh. Excuse me for not be gracious as you slit democracy’s throat .

  110. dakinikat, on August 14th, 2008 at 2:09 pm Said:

    any one here that some state attorney generals are going to question obama’s citizenship status?

  111. Phala in NC, on August 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pm Said:

    no, great news. which states?

  112. We want a floor fight! « The Confluence, on August 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pm Said:

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