Axelrod is up to his old tricks again. If you can’t spin the media to report things the way you want them to, just feed them outright lies. That is the case when it comes to the reports of Hillary saying that she doesn’t want her name put into nomination at the Convention in Denver. Alegre has been all over this story since this morning:
The Daily News is claiming Hillary’s decided to release her delegates at the convention. They’re making this stuff up guys. Take a look at this article and you’ll see that this so-called source is unnamed, and that the writer admits that spokeswoman for Hillary’s team – Kathleen Strand (the only person named in this POS article) has stated that no decisions have been made at this time. This article is nothing but innuendo and fabrication – I’m guessing it’s a slow news day at the Daily News so they tossed this out to drum up some chatter.
Think about it – after all she’s been through in this campaign, does anyone really think she’d leak this monumental story to a paper like the Daily News? It’s laughable!
Well, it just so happens that we have our very own reliable source, right here at The Confluence who got the story straight from the source. At a fundraiser last night, this is what Hillary had to say about having her name put up for nomination:
Puma-SF, on August 1st, 2008 at 2:00 am Said: Edit Comment
Man, I have a ton of pictures and tomorrow SimoFish will publish the video she took while Hillary was speaking.Originally it was labeled an event to help pay down her debt but some how it morphed into a unity event. Hell, there were about 10 Pumas that I know for sure but I’m sure there were more. Afterwards we all stood around and told each other our pen names.
She said that she thinks it would help unify the party if her name was put into nomination and that she wants her supporters and delegates to be recognized and heard.
I shook her hand. I hugged her and I told her to sign the petition that she would win and that we had her back.
Here is video from the event via SimoFish/Sky Dancing in a Man’s World
Of course the report from Puma-SF makes much more sense given that Hillary has said exactly the same thing in the past on the subject. Alegre did a little more digging at got the real story:
Meanwhile we’ve contacted Hillary’s New York office and we were told that this report is not true.
Of course that didn’t stop the blogger boyz and Arianna from spreading the lie throughout the blogosphere. It seems this is an attempt to distract from Obama being called out on blatantly injecting race into the campaign by suggesting John McCain will try to convince voters he is scary because he is “not like the presidents on the dollar bills”. After initially denying it, and actually having the nerve to suggest that it was McCain playing the race card, Axelrod actually let slip that Obama was indeed referring to his race. Alegre said it best:
They got caught with their pants down on playing the race card. Now suddenly we see this garbage and it’s up on HuffPo? I’m convinced they’re pushing this story just like they pushed bloggers to play the race card over McCain’s ad. Mark my words AxelRove’s behind this and it’s only a matter of hours before the Blogger Boyz start pushing this story as fact and demanding that Hillary release her delegates.
Maybe we can call the paper and ask that they run a retraction of that article or at least take it down from their online version. They won’t of course but we could still ask. ;o)
212-210-2100
Letters to the editor can be sent to: voicers@edit.nydailynews.com
So final word on this subject? NO TO RELEASING HER DELEGATES!!!! Axelrod will not be the one who decides whether or not our 18 million voices are heard. In fact, we, the VOTERS made that decision months ago. As far as I’m concerned Hillary herself does not own those votes, we do. And we want a fair and open convention. Nothing less.
In other news, it looks like cracks are forming in Barack Obama’s once rock solid base of support in the African American community. Maybe chastising black men on Father’s Day, or pandering to the right on issues like the death penalty are finally starting to have an affect. Or maybe they’re just starting to realize that he never really had anything to offer them in the first place. Maybe they talked to the people who lived in the slums of Obama’s Illinois state senate district.
For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago’s South Side. …
Rezko and Mahru couldn’t find money to get the heat back on.
But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building.
Whatever the case, they’re starting to ask some questions:
During his speech, Obama was interrupted by three men who stood up with a banner asking, “What about the black community, Obama?” Many in the crowd began chanting, “Yes, we can,” the Obama campaign mantra to counter the criticism.
Obama told the three that they would have a chance to ask questions after he had his opportunity to speak. A town-hall organizer later took the banner from the three.
During the question-and-answer period, Obama called on one of the men who held the banner, who chastised the candidate for not speaking out more about predatory lending and its impact on the black community, Hurricane Katrina’s destruction and the fatal shooting of an unarmed man on his wedding day in New York.
Obama defended his record, saying he had spoken out on all those issues. “I may not have spoken out the way you want me to speak out,” he said. And as the crowd stood and applauded, Obama stressed the need to be respectful, saying, “the only way to solve the problems in this country is if we all come together — black and white …”
Typical Obama response…”I am right, and you are wrong”. ”You just don’t want to hear what I have to say”. Dare I say that is a touch, presumptuous??? And please Barack, you suggesting that we need to work together, black and white, is enough to make me want to vomit…Why don’t you go tell it to your good friend Ludacris?
Can we have Hillary back now, please???!!!
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Great article, garychapelhill.
Does anybody else find the automatic, zombie-like chants of “Yes we can” in response to legitimate criticism to be be kinda scary?
I mean, Ahhh, shaddup!” would have been appropriate, but Stepford-esque, Village of the D*mned non-sequiturs are just plain creepy.
Josgirl – you took the words right out of my mouth.
It is a cult.
Obama is sinking so fast now. I just hope he totally implodes before the convention, so much so that even the most corrupt SDs couldn’t vote for him.
Sorry, the above comment was me body snatching Gary. I know he feels the same way though.
mawm, sure you’re not trying to gaslight me???
serious news: video of Hillary saying that putting her name in nomination unites the party. She is, as usual, graceful and a great professional. I miss her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8gdU_1MM44
from this site: Sky Dancing in a Man’s World
I don’t want to be negative here, but I have 2 depressing thoughts:
1. If McCain is beginning to hit back hard, does this mean he knows for sure that the Dems won’t allow Hillary on the ticket anywhere?
2. Is B0 poisoning the well so much for Dems that even a convention “Save us” draft for Hillary or Al would be too late?
Nicely pulled together, gary. PUMAs are the last remnants of the reality-based web community.
thanks grayslady….poe—at this point I will be happy just to keep that liar away from the white house…If somehow Hillary triumphs from all this, it will be one of the greatest moments in our country’s history…
parentofed, I don’t think anyone can say what is going to happen in the next month. If anyone tells you they definitely know, I would say they are lying.
McCain needs to start attacking something whether it is Obama or Hillary. I have been wondering when they would. I don’t think you can divine much from their timing. At least for the rock start ad, they needed to release that right after the European tour.
As for number 2, BO has certainly poisoned the well, but I wouldn’t count Hillary out.
the nerve some people have… how dare they question the one the World has been waiting for….r*acists them all, I tell you.
It would be an earthquake of seismic proportion if Hillary could wrest the nomination away from Obama. It would embarrass the party and party leaders, it would make him look like a fool for planning the stadium event, and it would be a wonderful sight to behold.
It would mean we actually live in a democracy and the Democratic party actually believes in democratic principle.
Stranger things have happened! Reality trumps fiction every day.
great job linking up the importance of this vid, gary …
Jmac, it is not going to happen. Sad but true.
suggest some one who hasn’t been banned at TROLL MART go disabuse TM of the notion that what the Daily News said with the link to here … I would, but i just took a shower and would prefer not to have to go through hazmat shower at this point … dry skin and all , you understand being the bitter old woman I am
Ted Strickland can’t win Ohio for Obama.
For what it’s worth, here’s the official site of the Obama protesters, they appear to be afrocentric marxist/socialist types:
http://www.uhurumovement.org/
Jmac: wouldn’t that be a sight for sore eyes, it would turn my jaded heart back to thinking democracy might just work again
I’m not banned yet. I’ll drop a reality check over there on them. Shall I direct them here or elsewhere?
LOL @ dakinikat!!!
OMG – I just heard on Hannity radio that Nancy turned off the lights (literally) on the Republicans that were demanding everyone stay and pass an energy bill. They are so pissed they are signing an order to have them called back to session by Bush.
I stand behind everyone of the Republicans on this issue. 72% of Americans have said to “Drill Now”.
Anarchy is thou Name!
Punishment, Retribution, Reform 2008
Hillary – they are imploding everywhere – you will be the President 2009.
Jennifer Stock, if you ask me (and I know you are not) I think the protesters were “planted” by the O campaign…
Jennifer, I don’t care if they’re satanic cannibals from mars….Obama dismisses any form of criticism from any corner. But I do happen to agree with their complaint that Obama hasn’t really done that much for black people, especially given the level of support he recieves from them.
i would think here’s fine, regency, but the direct link to the video on youtube would work too .. that’s what I put out on my blog and posted to NQ, folks need to see the video imho
“satanic cannibals from mars”, heh.
Thanks for this Gary. I’ve been noticing that the comments on these news sites are getting a lot more negative about Obama. Just look at the comments on The Swamp’s article on Obama getting heckled in FL.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/barack_obama_interrupted_by_pr.html
Carol, isn’t it nice that she can take such a firm stand on this issue, but when it comes to bringing our troops home, or impeaching our criminal president she becomes the shrinking violet….
Dakinikat – You have some good bloggers on your site. Thanks so much for putting the video up.
garychapelhill ~ Great post!
I know what you mean. I, myself,I keep a bucket nearby so that if I don’t get to the remote fast enough to mute the teevee, I can just spit instead of saying the nasty things that are poised at the tip of my tongue.
Here is a WSJ article suggesting that the presumptuous nominee (”When I am president…”), might just lose ala Truman.
mawm, of course I know all that, but sometimes the news is discouraging for this die-hard Hillary supporter. I think we need Hillary more for the economy than any other issue right now.
Thanks for the prop-up when I needed it.
Okay, here is the url since my reference to it didn’t go through….
http://blogs.wsj.com/politicalperceptions/2008/07/31/60-years-later-another-dewey-beats-truman-election/
Hilary in S.F. on Thursday –”prolonged standing ovation”
After her speech to 3,000* at the international convention of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees at Moscone Center.
What Clinton said was “The best way hat we can stand up for you…is to make sure we have a Democratic president taking the oath of office on January 20, 2009.” That Democratic president could be Clinton since Obama is The Presumptive at this point.
*If this were a report on an Obama crowd, the figures would be [exaggerated to] 30,000 minimum. The San Francisco Chronicle worked overtime to sell Obama so the title is “Clinton exhorts wokers to get on the Obama bus.” There are comments from loyal Hillary supporters, but the author who has been in the tank for Obama ends it with “My advice to them is — get over it.”
I’m thinking the ‘hecklers’ at the Obama speech were v. possibly plants to give him a faked up opportunity to blah-blah about how no one has done more for AAs than he has. Whatever.
Evil Willow: Bored now.
parentofed
I don’t think so. First, McCain’s probably not going to get sure-fire intelligence on Hillary anyway. But more importantly, my current theory is that the Repubs were waiting and watching to see how much damage the DNC-inspired rift in the party would do on its own before jumping in. Also, giving the O campaign as much rope as they could.
Someone, here or at TL said they think of the Repubs like some ancient, giant crocodile lazing in the mud on the side of the river. Obots are frolicking about on shore, thinking they’re safe. But when big ol’ croc starts to get hungry….
This is more worrisome to me. Yes, very possibly. We (and Hill) have to play it by ear. They may have ruined the party to such an extent (either already or by the convention) that even Hilary/Al can’t save them. Better to go for 2012 in that case.
The Obots walked right into the race-card thing
I hate to leave 3 comments so close together…
I’m at work and will be here forever if I start this now.
I need to get going so I just left the comment and the related link – unfortunately not together.
see you later.
“The One”
http://www.johnmccain.com/
I love John McCain – he has a set of Titanium!
Punishment, Retribution, and Reform 2008
I am in St. Petersburg.
They do not mention that the Uhuru guys also called him
“BLACK George Bush”.
Her is the Story from the St. Petersburg Times.
Watch the video and make sure that you read the
comments.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/08/protesters-disr.html
The cracks seem to finally be appearing in the AA world.
I’ve been wondering how long it would take.
They have been taken for granted long enough.
Jennifer, I can guarantee that Donna Brazile will say they’re republican plants
Something was funny about that video, maybe they were plants. It just seems funny that all of a sudden there are hecklers.
I liked the reference to a “catharsis” by H in the video linked by ghost2. However, I do not see it happening with this voter….never know though.
Offshore drilling is not a progressive action. I fail to see how support of Republican policies is linked to support of Clinton. Nancy Pelosi has disappointed me greatly in her tenure, but we should be applauding her for standing up to Republicans on this. Global warming is the single most important issue of our time. Do you think Hillary wants offshore drilling? She would surely veto this as president. Just because a majority wants it doesn’t make it right or smart.
Thank you muchly, gary. I needed that post.
Now, back to work I go:
20 Questions Before Serving the Oborg continues:
(With thanks to Phoenix for the idea and question#1 and SophieL for question #5; additions welcome.)
1. What is it about the Precious that makes you want to serve him?
2. Quick, what are the color of his eyes?
3. Quick, when you hear the word “boots,” do you think “lick,” or “walk”?
4. Have you ever undergone a mood-induced abortion?
5. Do you support retroactive telecom immunity? If not, what are you hiding?
6. Have you seen the film, “The King and I”?
7. Do you recall the scene in which Yul Brynner tells Deborah Kerr that her head must not be higher than his?
8. Is there anything about this scene that confuses you?
9. Choose the best word to complete all of the following phrases (note: you MUST choose the same word for all three instances):
a. I am willing to divert _______.
b. I am willing to funnel ______.
c. I am willing to take _______.
10. True or False: Stuttering and stammering, in common with the seizures that struck Alexander the Great, are best understood as symptoms of genuis.
11. Study this inkblot. Which of the following statements, in your estimation, accurately describes its shape?
a. a menopausal vagina
b. the flattened head of a cat
c. a greasy spot under a bus
d. all of the above.
I heard Hillary yesterday evening and met SimoFish and fellow PUMAs. I can’t wait for the video reprise. I have few living heros, and Hilary Clinton is one of the foremost. Her eyes are remarkable. What a brilliant woman!
Hillary spoke about how unity would be achieved by having a fair and open convention. She emphasized how we need a “Democratic president” in the White House in January 2009.
I had her sign a copy of a portrait painted by a local artist and fervent Hillary supporter. Hillary remembered receiving the original painting in Portland (but her campaign had to return it because its value was over the allowed limit). I told Hillary that my mother was a Democratic activist who involved me from the beginning. I said that she was our favorite candidate ever, and that my mother just had to vote for her so she was writing her name in on the ballot. Hillary has a beautiful smile and is very careful about spelling names correctly.
I’m framing this and giving it to my mother. The culmination of her political life would have been Hillary’s inauguration. Her political friends gathered for lunch a month ago. Not surprisingly, there isn’t one who was planning to vote for BO.
Here’s some footage of the “black out” — this will only help us in November if Hillary isn’t our nominee
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/0…n-on-drilling/
Valhalla: “I’m thinking the ‘hecklers’ at the Obama speech were v. possibly plants to give him a faked up opportunity to blah-blah about how no one has done more for AAs than he has.”
Nah, I think that after his I-do-not-look-anything-like-those-other-presidents faux pas, O needed to show the “American electorate” at large that he is going to be “everybody’s” president.
O transcends special interests (and everything else). He is the next uniter we have been waiting for, remember?
I disagree – I believe it is extremely progressive and aggressive. There is no reason not to drill. I live in Texas, and we have been supplying America for years from my coastline. The Chinese will soon drilling off of our coast.
As my government teacher said in 1973, “my brother is welcome to freeze to death in the dark if he doesn’t want to drill off the coast of Mass.”
The failure to use our resources is what has put us in the position we are in now.
CB, thank you so much for sharing that. Just lovely.
I just updated the post with the video–thanks to SimoFish, Dakinikat, and Ghost2 for the heads up!!!
Guys, come on. This whole drilling thing is a lot of BS. Even Bush admitted we wouldn’t see any benefits right away – in fact, not for a long time.
The American people are wrong about drilling. It’s a stupid idea. We need to start switching to alternative renewable technologies already.
Sorry Carol – I’m so cranky today it’s criminal. I apologize for my disrespect.
Upstate — you may be right. I hadn’t thought of that (I’m behind on my talking points memos, obviously).
20 Questions for the Oborg continues:
12. Regarding the pending legislation to increase the number of U.S. States to 57, which of the following strikes you as the most appropiate name for Unnamed Area 57:
a. Oklabama
b. Obio
c. Obamalabama
Hey — request for info from everybody:
How do folks know what Hillary’s schedule is, like when she’s going where and fundraising/meeting with supporters and all?
I’m on her emailing list, so I get those, but folks here seem to know a lot more about where she’ll be and so on. It’s not on her site anymore. Is there one central place, or are people just catching lucky?
She was in Mass. a couple of weeks ago, speaking to a closed (I believe) union audience. I wouldn’t have been able to get in but I might have tooled down to the location hoping to catch a glimpse of my hero.
I can’t see the protesters being planted.
Doesn’t seem to make any sense at all to even hint that there might be cracks in his black support.
No amount of rationalizing from the candidate can diminish the impact of the visual of black hecklers of the “first viable black candidate,” blah, blah, blah.
Obviously,
Thanks “ghost2″ for the video.
I’ll be @ something like this in NY on Aug. 10th!
Notice for the most part she & her camp say, “We Need To Elect “a” Democrat to the WhiteHouse!
Just-a-Thought!
Okay just watched the video. Somebody in the Heavens above save us from BO.
Now, I have to cry for a while!
Magdalena –
If I weren’t possessed by Evil today, I’d be rolling on the floor laughing at your 20 questions. You are wonderful!
Oblamabama gets my vote for Area 57!
josgirl, probably you are right. My tin foil hat has been known to lie before….bad, bad hat….
Carol, no crying, remember
Punishment, Retribution, Reform!!!
PUMA HAKA!!!! ( I can’t do the devil…help me out here )
gary – part of the PUMA HAKA
is crying!
magda…we could change my state to north carobama!
Gary: “Punishment, Retribution, Reform!!!”
Gary, me estas asustando…
upstate…es lo que dice Carol…pero creo que sirve bastante bien….
madamab, actually I am possessed by EVIL today too, which is why I’m writing them, tee heee
Okay – what is being said about me?
What is ‘haka’ exactly? I’m a bit unclear…
UpstateNY, wasn’t criticizing you, just sharing my thoughts.
OT (apologies) but I had to link this. This is the kind of outrage I and everyone should feel at the way Obama has manipulated the system. Have a chuckle, a few Yes!s along the way.
http://www.liberalrapture.com/2008/07/race-rant-its-riot.html
joshgirl, I did not feel criticized, hell, half the time I do not know what I am talking about… .
Carol, we are just trashing you BIG time, nah, Gary tells me that those three words, punishment…retribution..reform are not his.
gary, cute that you called me magda, my nickname, actually . . .
but shouldn’t we rename some states for Michelle, too?
Michelligan (and of course, Lake Michellagin)
CB, how fortunate you are to be able to share this with your mother. I lost my mom in 94 and have so wished I could share this with her. Every time I send Hillary a contribution I feel like i am doing it for her, too.
Everyone is human but Hillary must be on a pedastal. For such a petite woman she stands head and shoulders above the rest!!!!
I don’t know what others are saying, but I just got off the phone with Hillary’s office and the girl said, that “no, Hillary is not releasing her delegates, but she is not putting her name in nomination either”
She said that she’s gotten tons of calls today.
But you know, she didn’t seem to much of anything.
Now i’ll go back and read what everyone is saying
carol, upstate said the three R’s were scary, and I said they were yours, but fit the situation quite well!
It is our war dance.
PUMA HAKA
Punishment, Retribution, Reform 2008
Michellontana? Michellachussetts?
pm317 — thanks! reading that was extremely cathartic.
[...] to Puma-SF and SimoFish over at The Confluence, we know what Hillary thinks: She said that she thinks it would help unify the party if her name [...]
Phala – I lost my mom in 1996, and I am absolutely CERTAIN she would have been for Hillary.
Now my whole family is Obottic except for me.
madamab, it could be worse. All my inlaws are Reps…
There have always been members of the black community who did not support Obama from the start. Some of them posting on this blog and others you can find on pocpuma.com
Check them out.
I’m just so glad to see the polls drop for Obama and that Ohio is still a tight race.
Looks like Pelosi is going to abandon us for this month.
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Obama seeing Hillary in McCain ads…
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/ 200…ry4312955.shtml
“At a time when we’ve got bigger challenges than any time in our history and you’re running ads with Hillary and er – with Britney and ah Paris in it. I mean come on. The American people deserve better.”
Hillary Clinton and Alicia Keys – Superwoman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R…h? v=RgLAn5a_Kcc
TM makes me nuts. She claims that her post isn’t inaccurate even though Hill’s spokesperson said no decisions had been made. That just disingenuous.
Hillary Clinton and Alicia Keys – Superwoman
UpstateNY – I feel your pain! However, at least you’re USED to arguing with them about politics!
All right, hubby’s home. Later, Conflucians – have a lovely, lie-free evening!
Ok, I know no one likes this idea, but I think Hillary wants the Veep spot:
http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=436
20 Questions Before Serving the Oborg continues:
13. When faced with a pressing issue related to domestic policy, which of the following Executive Branch actions would you characterize as the MOST appropriate:
a. create a slogan
b. create a symbol
c. create a seal
d. create a slush fund
e. create a song
f. ask the press not to tell
UpstateNY, most of my extended family is Rep also. I was going to have a shirt made that said “token liberal every family needs one” to wear to the family reunion this year but had a schedule conflict and couldn’t go. Wanted to go and campaign for Hill.
Upstate and Madamab, I think we have a family here and unlike some families it is one of respect that welcomes honesty.
Jmac, you’re welcome … we need to thank SimoFish for taping this … she must have GREAT karma to capture that on the day before the obama camp starts a misinformation campaign …
gary’s analysis here is really important on that …
I think masslib and I will have to agree to disagree. Hillary as VP sets a bad precedent and it doesn’t do anything for the country. She knows which way the political winds blow; she knows this guy is a loser without her—but that he’s a loser with her too. I do believe he’s already asked her, but that she has turned him down. I believe if he asked her publicly, because his numbers really began to tank, she’d take it for the “good of the party.” I also believe that her political career and chance at the presidency dies if he wins. I think she’s weighing that option carefully and deciding which is for the greater good.
regency, si.
OK, folks, please tell me what you think of this:
Hillary does not want her name in nomination, even though we do. This is because she is smarter than we are. Consider:
1) She puts her name in nomination. This does two problematic things: a) legitimizes what has been a false process and a false party primary from the beginning, rather than exposing its true falsity; b) exposes her to a (rigged) floor loss on national television, allowing all to say, See, she’s not The One, she lost fair and square. Result: Obama, legitimized, is elected, and ruins Democratic brand. End of her presidential career.
2) She withholds her name from nomination. This accomplishes two things: a) leaves her only convention appearance a Day Two Speech on the 19th Amendment, which exposes the sexism that has been inherent in the party and the primary season from the beginning, while clearly reducing her and her followers to feminized helpmeets and nothing more, naturally enraging us; b) Obama wins the nomination in an environment of blatant exclusion and unfairness, cannot solidify the Party, and goes on to lose the GE. Result: Hillary 2012.
Folks, I have never seen Hillary as a holy Messiah. I see her as one damn smart woman. Is this what’s going on? Should I drop the intense anger I expressed yesterday at her relgation to Day Two and removal from nomination? And see her strategy for what it is? A bid for galvanization?
“relegation”
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=22055
Simofish put three videos out here of that event yesterday.
Magdalena, my brain is too unreliable when it comes to predictions and my crystal ball doesn’t work all that well when it comes to politics, but I think we are heading for 1b
Magdalena,
I think Hillary will put her name in nomination only if it is going to be a success, I think. That is the SDs and the party elders beg her to do it. She would not risk doing it without the support of the party for the reasons you mention. They have screwed it up so much now that even if she gets the nomination, things won’t be kosher. I would rather she be unhurt politically now so she can come back in 2012 and win. But of course, we need not be stopped about clamoring for a roll call vote, her name in the nomination and so on, so that the DNC’s shenanigans are exposed. Only she can’t jump on our bandwagon enthusiastically and cause a stir — I think that would hurt her.
pm317..thanks for that link…Mike said everything I have said, but never put in writing.
pm, I really do not see H coming back in 2012, plus, O is going to win twenty terms in a row.
It makes me sad to have written my previous post. What a fxcking mess! I do hope for a magical solution that will make her the nominee and that she goes on to win.
lillianjane, on August 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm
You should blame BO for the majority thinking it is a good idea. he refuses to have debates with McCain. If he did, he would debate this issue with him and maybe convince some people. This is what happens when you choose a coward for a candidate. Other people have to always fight his battles for him.
I think it’s up to US to make sure that having her name in is a success. It’s really important that we talk to the superdelegates and the pledged delegates; make sure we get that petition signed, so that she knows she has support.
I may be alone in this but I feel that it is crucial that Hillary’s name be entered into the nomination. I cannot emphasize enough how much that means to history–women’s history especially.
Briana, do not scare me like that….VP? Is this the end of the Confluence as we know it…noooooooooo…..Let’s wait and see.
pm: “What a fxcking mess!”
I like the way you write fxcking….can I use it?
I thought it was pretty widely agreed that it wouldn’t be Hillary. Anyway, I can’t worry about t even if it is. I’m still not voting the ticket.
I have two concerns at this point: Making it to college and seeing Hillary at the Convention. That’s it. Everything after is secondary.
o.k. Upstate .. I will try … forgive me .. it’s just that for so long , as you and all others here .. we wanted so much for Hillary to be at the top of the ticket ..
I haven’t given up completely , but to be honest – I all most have .. and , well .. I think you know the rest.. blah..blah..seeing her as veep ..well, chit ! – it just hurts .
Sorry, I don’t know if someone else put on this link, but here is another idea as to why this freaking “news flash” hit the Huff-poo and beyond. Great post, Gary, btw.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2475829/US-election-Senator-Barack-Obama-faces-backlash-in-American-media.html
PS. If you look at this, check out the “Active grannies take over from soccer moms as key US voters” story for extra credit!
That’s my quandary, regency, and why I was so angry yesterday: as I woman I want to see her nominated. But I can see how playing things a different way could ultimately result in a better result for women in politics: anger equals action, and women need to wake up, big time.
UpstateNY, be my guest (I am not such a puritan but this looks like respectable blogsite).
I have a sinking feeling in my stomach as I read your post (and my own) — Yea, I don’t know what will 2012 bring but to think Hillary missed the boat altogether makes me profoundly sad (and angry).
Briana, it is not in my power to forgive…who am I Obama?
I think it’s highly suspect that just when Hillary admits that she’d be interested in entering her name for the nomination, suddenly everyone thinks she wants VP. Where the hell did that come from?
No, I’m not calling anyone a troll, but come on. We can’t be distracted by that stuff. We always knew that was a possibility and it still is. So is getting her as our nominee. Stop disillusioning yourselves with what if.
Please.
UpstateNY .. LoL ..
Karolina NYC – thank YOU
“Frank Luntz, a leading Republican pollster, said: “Americans demand politicians earn their office and Obama in recent weeks seems to communicate that he deserves the position, and that doesn’t go down too well.”
Ron Nessen, formerly press secretary to President Gerald Ford, said the risk for Obama was that with more than three months to go before the election he needed good press now more than ever.”
Magdalena-#1 is what I said this morning so I agree. The DNC is NOT going to let her win the nomination NO MATTER WHAT. I don’t want to let them use a show vote to fool the country into thinking she lost fair and square. And #2 is right on! That ladies night is a load. How patronizing! I think her strategy is to live to fight another day. She is not going to be VP because she’s not going to tie her political future to that empty suit. Personally, I am done agitating for her role at the convention and am moving on to the party punishment phase.
regency: very astute question
pm, I do not feel that way (missed the boat….).
I would have loved to see my senator as the next president…however, since it is not likely at this point, I will always consider what she (and we) did as a historic achievement to be proud of.
The Civil war in the D party saddens me, though.
regencyg, I agree, absolutely no VP.
upstate, I am not satisfied with what happened this round — she had to be the nominee and it was stolen. But right now like Joan says, I am in punishment mode and the party deserves to lose for what they did.
Gary,
Wonderful post!
I want to float a general idea that may be refined by the group:
What about encouraging a general economic strike for a week that would involve not buying anything, including gasoline? [read on please].. Buying enough before the start of the week would cause no hardship, but give a message to the government what exactly can be accomplished by voters who decide to organize. In other words, what can be accomplished in the shops, stores and gas stations, can be accomplished in the General Election.
Nobody is listening. What will it take?
Thanks, Joan. I WANT her to live to fight for another day. I want to contribute to Hillary 2012. And I want to make it easier for the women who come after her or along with her. Will demeaning women at the convention help us or hurt us–and gals, we very well could be demeaned–is my issue. There’s something awfully reinforcing about seeing women in secondary positions, and Obama likes to use imagery to get his way. Day Two could reinforce to America: that’s all women are, is women–producing the exact opposite of the effect a feminist such as myself could hope for. A lost Hillary nomination could have the same effect. Or will the sheer power of having her name nominated help women? It doesn’t seem clear-cut to me.
I do agree wirh pm317 that she’s smart enough that she’ll only do whatever she does if she knows it will help, and be a success. But is it possible to know?
Magdalena, on August 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
If Hillary withholds her name from the nomination it sends a different signal to other people and that is she never lived up to her word of fighting for her supporters – the invincible people. If she is not willing to go the distance now then how can one be sure that in 2012 the same thing won’t happen. Nancy and the rest of the DNC mafia don’t want Hillary in the Democratic party and there is no garantee that 2012 will be different. I rather have her face BO and fight for the nomination than her saying no because she doesn’t want to hurt BO or the DNC mafia. Having a roll call will actually help more people learn about how the Democratic process works.
I want Hillary to fight so that when BO wins and then looses the GE or becomes a lousy president she can say she did all she could. Knowing that Hillary knows all about BO’s associations and everything we know about BO and still just lets him take this nomination without one last fight, sends a different message. I know the odds are small but Hillary needs to do this. For future women in politics and her supporters and for Democracy. She also needs to do this for herself. Fighting this in Denver tells me that Hillary is choosing the people. Not fighting it tells me that Hillary values the party more than the people. I really want Hillary to allow her name be put in for the nomination. When BO fails she would have done all she could to stop him.
I will make the suggestion to TheDenverGroup, Heidi Li.
gary and mawm – you are hereby requested to watch both Monk and Psych tonight.
regencyg,
I totally agree with you on everything you have said in your last few comments! It is vital that Hillary’s name be officially put in nomination at the convention. I don’t care how many votes she gets, and I’ll bet she’ll get quite a few. Plus, a lot can happen in three weeks. But she has to be nominated. If she isn’t, I’ll never be a Democrat again for the rest of my life.
I don’t believe for one minute that Hillary will chose not to be nominated and I don’t believe she wants VP. I believe Obama asked her when they met at Diane Feinstein’s house in DC. That was the scuttlebut then, and it makes sense to me. Hillary was seen laughing on her way out of the house too. Neither Hillary nor Bill believes that Obama can win the presidency. Why should Hillary tie herself to a losing ticket?
I just wanna say this: Right now is the true test of a PUMA. This is when people decide if they really do just say no deal, or if they’re thinking maybe so in the long run. Just like always, the press and the pols are playing us. We have to decide if we’re going to go along with it, or if we’re going to fight back.
It’s like we said long ago, it’s about more than Hillary. It’s about America and what’s best for her. What do you think?
We have these guys are their heels now. Obama’s little house of cards is going to come tumbling down soon. I can’t wait for the next article about Obama, Soros and Acorn. This behavior is hideous. It is unimaginable the depth of the corruption in our government. Power to the people!
Excellent points, DownListen. I’m listening.
Who knew the Democratic Convention would become an epistemological battle, on top of everything else?
(wink)
Well, here’s a thought.
If HRC puts her name in nomination and basically co-signs the process, what happens if the Dems go down in flames this year?
Is there something to be said for making your pitch, as she has done with her campaign, then standing back and letting the chips fall where they may?
I thought her comment that a lot of what happens from this point on was not up to her was very telling.
“I do agree wirh pm317 that she’s smart enough that she’ll only do whatever she does if she knows it will help, and be a success. But is it possible to know?”
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If Obama becomes a really bad choice in the next few weeks, then the SDs could force the Dean, Pelosi machine to abandon Obama and approach Clinton. There has to be a counter force within the party to unseat Obama based on his own follies so they can all point back to him — he has to shoot himself in the foot and he is doing some of that now but is it enough? Don’t know.
regencyg, on August 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm Said:
I think it’s highly suspect that just when Hillary admits that she’d be interested in entering her name for the nomination, suddenly everyone thinks she wants VP. Where the hell did that come from?
No, I’m not calling anyone a troll, but come on. We can’t be distracted by that stuff. We always knew that was a possibility and it still is. So is getting her as our nominee. Stop disillusioning yourselves with what if.
Please.
Christ, I hope to hell you are not calling me a troll! She also says it’s “not going to happen” when someone suggests she may get nomintaed that way. I posted the video of Hillary talking about the VP slot, and to me, it is abundantly clear she was making the case for herself. Of course, as I say, that is MY TAKE! I think it’s what SHE WANTS! I am allowed an opinion. Take a look at the video yourself and tell me what you think she is saying.
The GOP’s don’t have to do anything.
If they do not have a FAIR/HONEST/OPEN roll call for this nomination and believe me, PUMA will know
THE GOP’S will win on default. They’ll just sit back,
and watch the DEM’S destroy their party and their base.
They’ll look great, compared to our party.
And I Believe, this was their intention, Right from DAY ONE—obviously, with FLA and MI
josgirl, I think Hill could still say, hey, I did my best, ya’ll should’ve put me forward instead, what can I say?
As long as she’s not VP, that is.
STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!
I am getting depressed just reading these comments!
Why are we discussing 2012? We found out that Hillary WILL have her name put in nomination, remember?
Let start thinking about every last gawdangged issue and detail that we need to attend to, in order to push the roll call election to be bullet proof and DNC-mafia-proof!
How about “No, WE will, you a**holes!” as an idea.
I’m totally in agreement with regencyg. We just need to keep pressing the SDs, ignore the MSM and the trolls, don’t read negative comments, etc.
I’m only looking as far ahead as the convention.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
Ghandi
guys , parse words carefully. Hillary does not put her name forward for nomination. Her delegates do. All she needs to do is sign the petition. My guess is that the liklihood of her signing it would depend on how confident she is of winning. The fact that she hasn’t released her delegates and she has completely ruled out a nomination indicates that the delegate count would be a close one. It must be driving Obama’s crew crazy. That’s why they are trying do hard to spin this and bolt the door. The poll numbers are not looking good and the longer he’s out there, the less likeable Obama is. They are trying to make us pause. We must do the opposite and take it ip to 11.
The idiots running the DNC have painted themselves into an ugly corner…both in regards to Obama and Hillary. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Howard Dean and his ilk grossly misjudged Hillary and Bill’s popularity and the level of respect they have EARNED among democrats old enough to have voted for Bill.
Obama can never, no matter the VP pick, never ever unify the party. He is not the best, most qualified candidate, and too many of us aren’t forgetting that obvious fact. And it won’t just go away.
If they keep Hillary’s name out of the nomination, they lose by looking like they are gaming the system. The stench of illegitimacy will hang on Obama’s nomination til November.
And the GOP will have a field day with it.
If they present a sham roll call, pretty much the same scenario.
A real roll call has a great potential for embarrassment as well.
This is what you get when you try to play king maker, Howard Dean. A big fat mess. Your one-term, accomplishment-lite candidate did not get where he is on his own and we all know it. Obama’s numbers are terrible considering where they should be.
American’s don’t embrace pompousity. Obama has shown himself to be an ass. The GOP hasn’t even touched him yet.
Masslib, that’s why I said I wasn’t calling anyone a troll because I knew it would be taken that way. See, what I’m saying.
And please don’t pull the you’re allowed to have an opinion thing. Of course you are. That’s what I said we will have to agree to disagree. I was making an observation because you aren’t the first one to say what you said today.
Take me at face value. I don’t have other motives.
Carol you’re right about offshore drilling, naturally.
Texans and Louisianians know this and apparently so does Obama:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_el_pr/obama_60
Our energy policy must be one that moves us to alternate sources of fuel but must recognize we can’t get there overnight.
We are going to have to use fossil fuels for awhile. Personally, I checked out T. Boone Pickens’ plan and it looks pretty good.
Well, look there is no harm in suggesting Hill wants or would accept VP. Indeed, it makes Obama look even worse if he doesn’t pick her. But I ask you to watch the video and tell me who she is inferring there. To me, it looks like herself. I just don’t want Obama picking Sebelius and then people saying oh well Hillary turned him down when I do not believe that is true. I do think he is too weak to pick her, but I see this as a net plus for Hillary. She, IMO, is clealry saying she would serve. Now if he doesn’t pick her and loses, it ain’t her fault.
Carol, did you see the present I left you and Pat in my video?
Okay, seems to me we’ve done the “for the sake of argument” thing.
What if anything has really changed?
As far as I can see, not much.
And what has changed has been brought about by continued, legitimate opposition to the “selected” nominee.
So, the best course of action is, stay the course.
Or as Riverdaughter says, go Spinal Tap on ‘em and kick it up to 11.
RD:
“… hasn’t released her delegates and she has completely ruled out a nomination indicates …”
??? Did I miss something while I was gone today?
For the record: I want Hillary’s name in nomination. That is my preference. I was simply suggesting that if she knows something I don’t know, I’m with her. She is smarter than I am.
Karo: Looks like a typo.
Oh this is hilarious. According to Yahoo news, BO has changed his position on off-shore drilling. Too funny.
Masslib: Can we declare him a Republican now or should we wait until the November ballots come out?
Thanks Reg. Yikes ! I was hoping so….
Or you could read her comments another way. Okay, she’s saying it isn’t up to her. But it isn’t up to Obama or the DNC, either.
It is up to _us._ We can force the party to draft her as the candidate. Yes, we can.
Then she can choose whether to accept or decline the offer. But our fight is to make sure the offer is made—either through a draft or a true nomination process.
Why are you giving up already? It isn’t over yet. So take a deep breath and keep fighting. Make two phone calls to your local SDs. Send money. Stand up for yourself and your country.
She fights. So should we.
josgirl, as usual, I’m with you. Take it to eleven.
sophieL, can you put the link to your video again? I was at work earlier with no sound, but now I can listen…
masslib: I do not see her saying she would like VP. I hear her say that her campaign and Obama’s are working out the details on how the process will happen at the convention. They are negotiating processes and procedures, not VP slots. My guess is that she already has enough delegates for a nomiNation. She wants the primaries to count and fir all delegates to get their say. She thinks she will not eventually be nominated but things may be her different in 3 weeks.
I think she is a party loyalist and she has carefully thought this through and *logically* this is the only way Obama becomes a legitimate nominee. The only way to make this omlette is to break some eggs.
Masslib-Swell! He just can’t pander fast enough these days. Glas he has such great judgment and principles.
SophieL – I looked but didn’t see my man.
karolina: my laptop is in the garage getting a new logic board (explains a lot, right?). So I am typing on my iPhone while Brook hogs the G5.
What I meant to say was she hasn’t released her delegates and hasn’t ruled out a nomination.
Everyone relax. She is thinking the same way that we do. The only way a Dem has a prayer of winning the WH is if all of the voters are honored at the convention.
fuzzy is home madamab great play but the nest act should be of Rove calling McCain to tell him how he manipulated both Dean and Brazile….and now he is ready to work on nancy!
fuzzybeargville
Gary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q22gueeya2g
And Carol (and Pat, and probably numerous others here) the “present” is at about 1:35.
regencyg, on August 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pm Said:
Masslib: Can we declare him a Republican now or should we wait until the November ballots come out?
Now.
RD, I think you are talking about the other video. I posted this video at alegre’s.
Would someone change the side info to Over $15k for Hillary in July?
Also, we collected $806.40 last night.
Thanks.
Punishment, Retribution, Reform 2008
RD, I agree that she is a party loyalist, still, but I believe that she is absolutely a patriot before a Democrat. I am sure, of course, that she is aware of the crookedness of the current party leaders, but she is staying because she knows that she is needed by the people, as they will be the biggest losers if EITHER Obama or a Republican are voted in, this time around.
Carol, Mawm still hasn’t seen the Monnk from last week. He’s tried 3 times but always falls asleep. They’re like sleeping pills for him…he would never make it throught Psych
SophieL – that is a fabulous video. I particularly like the Elvis. But, you gotta love my man Eddy.
I think we are about to see the biggest comeback in history! after the Denver Convention….where of course it will be apparent that Obama’s star is fading collapsing into a quantum singularity (these words should avoid moderation) it is Hillary’s Star that will Shine so bright!
From Labor Day till November 4th….all we will hear on TV is the Theme to Rocky…and of course the PUMA theme song and Hillary’s smiling triumphant face….and of the $ 100 million in anti Obama adds the rebugs have already prepaired?
Well they will be shelved and and allowed to rot as Rove and company scramble to make a case against the candidate they thought they elliminated! Rove will break his hip trying to pivot toward this new target…and will be layed up until December….all his plans crumbling!
Now the real happy ending We Get HILLARY to share with the nation!
fuzzybeargville
masslib, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:04 pm Said:
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I saw the VP video and she is talking about it in the most general of terms how the VP candidate is picked and based on what rationale. I don’t see anything there that says she wants it.
Carol, I left him on extra seconds just for you and Pat. It broke the rhythm, but hey, for you guys, anything.
GCH: Get the Psych dvds. He’d be too busy laughing to sleep. I just bought season 2 on dvd. Split my sides.
Historians on the board, pl. educate me. What happens if a nominee is forced to withdraw after the convention for whatever reason?
I am a 56 year old woman, hardly an adolescent. I see Barack Obama for what he is, an incredibly talented, competent, brilliant, ethical human being who loves his country and wants to serve it well. He has the right combination of attributes and yes experience to be a great president. I and none of my friends see him as the great messiah but he is a herioc personality type, a personality type we need in the country right now. Again McCain is using fear and silliness to breed distrust. Bush did the same thing and what did we end up with. These are serious times and we need someone who has a brilliant, flexible mind, can work well with other and can listen well to the experts to solve the many problems our country faces. We do not need a hot head.
pm317, as a general rule, the VP would step up to the plate.
I can’t remember who is against offshore drilling, but it HAS to be part of our mix. This whole energy switch is not going to happen for probably another two decades. What offshore drilling does (if the government keeps a tight hold on oversight) is allow us to make the transition with little economic pain.
All of these new energy technologies are really expensive and will need time to come down. While we’re waiting for those prices to drop we will still need oil. I don’t think offshore drilling perpetuates our dependence on oil. As stated earlier, it allows us to make a full transition easier.
Well, pm, I disagree. She does the Gore comparison…”people said he couldn’t pick Gore, no rapport, he had already run for the nomination, etc.” then she says the most important part is can that person help you win? Check. Who is best prepared to be pres should something happen to you? Double check. That’s the way I see it. Again, I see it as a net positive for Hill. Now if he doesn’t pick and then goes on to lose, no one will be able to say it’s her fault. Indeed considering how Gergen, Matthews et al, are tripping over themselves saying he must pick her, it will be, he should have asked Hillary. Now of course I still want to see Hill take the nomination, and there is always an outside chance provided there is a free and fair nominating process. But I see this as a check mate to Senator Obama.
This sentence from that Chicago Sun article is interesting…
“Many in the crowd began chanting, “Yes, we can,” the Obama campaign mantra to counter the criticism.”
is it just me, or shouldn’t there be a comma between mantra and to? without it, it seems to suggest that the “Yes, we can!” is specifically used to counter criticism. I wonder if they did that on purpose.
Mary, upon what do you base your impressions?
I find it hard to believe we’re looking at the same candidate.
BTW, I’m 54 and not naive myself.
the only problem, Mary, is that you just described Hillary Clinton, not Barack Obama.
This is just a quick wave before I go back up to read the post (which looks VERY interesting, Gary)
My afternoon was totally hijacked. And I’ve been gone since noon.
(waving) I’ll be back as soon as I’m done reading!
CNN poll out McCain only trailing by 3, tied at Gallup and RAS, Ohio is now tied and if you factor in how all three have overestimated Obama’s lead in the past the Dem is losing by 10 would be a good estimate. LOL dosen’t look like that leak of Gov Kaine was the flick Dems were looking for my sister a nutty Dem loyalist is not pleased she really believed Hillary would be on Obama ticket not good if even she is now unhappy …
Oh and Speaker Pelosi should be reeling from those Bus tracks on her back side this time Obama says he is open to the Bush plan on off shore drilling……AMAZING but hey Nancy you reap what you shovel
salt??? Obama says he’s open to offshore drilling now???
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regencyg, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm Said:
pm317, as a general rule, the VP would step up to the plate.
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Not sure about this. The party could still appoint somebody to the top of the ticket, I think.
I’m on news boycott but I happen to flip past hardball and stopped for a moment to watch Brownstein and Mitchell shilling for The Precious. Mitchell: “McCain’s ad patently false.” Brownstein: “McCain’s disdain for Obama is unseemly.” Brownstein: “I happen to be in the camp that thinks the Spears ad had racial overtones.” Brownie was just shocked by the lack of respect McCain has for Obama. Well, duh! Who says he has to respect The Precious. Bush didn’t get where he was respecting Gore and Kerry and we sure didn’t hear about that.
There are no consitiutional provisions for a nominee to be replaced if he or she is forced or choosed to withdraw after his party’s nomination. There are also no provisions if a candidate dies prior to election day after he or she is nominated.
We must remember we are not voting for a person but for ellectors to the ellectorial college…we would still vote for the candidates electors and they would/could in theory vote for anyone if the candidate they pledged to were not able to fulfill their duty as president because he was deemed inelligible withdrew or became living challenged prior to the date that the ellectors gather in washington to vote for president.
I believe this is correct-Mawm gary RD?
fuzzybeargville
Mary: I think you’re lost.
Mary, are you missing some lambs?
garychapelhill, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm Said:
salt??? Obama says he’s open to offshore drilling now???
Gary, it’s a headline on Yahoo news.
Funny, how “Mary” showed up just when the resonance on this thread turned up.
Been reading along for a while “Mary”?
Okay – this is just freaky!
I googled my son because his company just recently finished some music videos for TRL. Low and behold there was a link to Huffington Post. His name, address, and dollar amount of contributions from a celebrity was posted with the exact address and yahoo type map to the house. I ask you, what the fuck?
meileen; you just made me horse laugh at work.
People like Mary must live on a different planet. But I guess they are entitled to their opinion — people who voted for Bush thought a lot of good things too about him. See where that left us. People like Mary are easily pleased — what is the word I am looking for? gullible, may be?
Obama, heroic personality type? See this genius Flineo’s video and tell me what you think? And see if you are ready to vote for another Bush?
SophieL. I saw the video you put together earlier today and I loved it! Especially for including My Ed. We ALL know where he belongs, right here in MA.
I do not believe the VP nominee would be allowed to automatically step in if the candidate was to become unable “to fullfill the office” he/she was seeking. As I said the founding foathers were brilliant but they did not cover all the bases.
Also the constitution does not nor was it sdesigned to serve a multi-party system. If fact just the opposite is true the constitution was designed to operate in an enviroment where political partys did not exsist. The founding fathers were hopeful we could avoid two things foriegn entanglements and political partys.
Remember after John Adams there was only one party in the country the Democrat-Republican this was called or often miss-named the era of good feeling.
fuzzybeargville
How long did it take for Obama to backtrack on the oil drilling position? Anyone?
Hillary as VP and name in nomination:
Hillary knows a whole lot more than we do about what the DNC is trying to pull at the convention and with the VP pick (the details, anyway) because of the negotiations. I trust her to do the best for the real Democratic Party (not Dean’s fake one) and her own future (which is the same as advancing our interests).
I really think we can both push for her name in nomination at the convention, her as the candidate in 2008 AND talk about 2012 at the same time. Any good strategy has multiple layers and several backup plans. We can’t know how each step will play out.
For all I know, Hillary already knows they won’t pick her for VP and there’s no way she gets her name in nomination, and all that holding on to her delegates means is leverage to get something else she wants — input on the platform, or money toward her debt or toward building up other pols that support her — it could be a lot of thing. In that case, our push to get her name in nomination would be futile from a literal standpoint (we wouldn’t get it) but our push is STILL leverage for her.
And you know what, if all I am or all we are is leverage, I’m totally cool with that. I’m still hoping for 2008, but if it’s not to be, then 2012. If 2012 isn’t to be, then I’m leverage for her title as Lionness of the Senate.
But until I hear her say to us or her pledged delegates STOP! Do not petition for my nomination, the only thing we can do is keep pushing.
Obama’s campaign message: I was for it before I was against it. I have been saying that right along.
masslib, you’re kidding me?? going to check now.
pm317: Wow!! powerful
Gary, here you go:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html
do my comments answer your questions pm 317?
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Gary, evidently O has changed his position on offshore to match the polls. His suggestion earlier that we check the air in our tires and have a tune-up must have been insufficient. LOL
Valhalla, I’m with you.
didn’t he just have an ad out on that issue??? talk about blowing in the wind….and what are those dumbasses who signed that letter to the Nation gonna do now????? WHAT A BUNCH OF FOOLS
Thanks Pat!
Hey ya’ll, I think I’m gonna vote for Obama now!
Cuz see, like the drilling thing shows, he changes his mind so much that, if I just wait long enough, he’s bound to come around to one of my positions.
And then I just need to be sure not to blink and miss it!
The Nation which is run by Katrina Vanden Heuvel (billionaire heiress)? She is so in touch.
Magdalena, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pm Said:
Hey ya’ll, I think I’m gonna vote for Obama now!
Cuz see, like the drilling thing shows, he changes his mind so much that, if I just wait long enough, he’s bound to come around to one of my positions.
Hysterical!
Could someone address my issue that Huffington Post is providing maps to our house if we donated?
fuzzy’s typing skills are very poor tonight our little utilities resourses are stretched to the limit with all these students wanting to be turned on at the same time and on the same day -gues what happened something gave and it wasnt me…
Alot of students who waited till the last minute to have their electric ,water and gas turned on are going to be hot in the dark and unable to take a shower this weekend because there just ain’t enough people in our companuy to turn on 25,000 students in 1 day…they waited to long!
there is a lesson in this I think is the DNC listening?
fuzzybeargville
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SophieL, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm Said:
pm317: Wow!! powerful
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If you have not seen Flineo’s videos, I highly recommend it. I am a big fan. Just do a search on Youtube for Flineo. He is not doing anymore (I don’t think he is a PUMA).
.. lol .. McCain pulls even in Montana … yahoo..
Carol-Huffpo has had that donation look-up thing for a long time. There are no real privacy rights anymore. All our info is available to anyone.
carol, that happens to me too….i guess all of that data is public info…who donated to who.
hey masslib, and I’m just gonna keep my fingers crossed that the day he appoints a Supreme Court Justice is one of his “Democrat” days! Oh-oh, just hope it’s not a Friday!
carol sorry but our contributions are public records with the FEC…but get this all the obama superdelegates addresses are in the same boat and all the congresspersons and state supporters too…
Evil bear sniker and PUMA growl!
fuzzybeargville
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Carol, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm Said:
Could someone address my issue that Huffington Post is providing maps to our house if we donated?
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I agree. This is scary! Just having my info come up on opensecrets is bad enough.
Sorry I’m late to the party – I just posted my personal NON SATIRE ON A BUDGET response to Lanny Davis about this same thing – LET THE PROCESS PLAY OUT!!!
Love the Hillary video Gary! Thank you!
ben, didn’t you see the letter they published begging Obama to come back to the left? it was signed by like thousands of people, including “progressive bloggers” like jane hamsher and glenn greenwald….they really are quite stupid
carol, you’re lucky. I got a calll on my cell phone yesterday from the obot campaign. they wanted me to volunteer AGAIN!!!!! AS IF!!!!! He said we know you’ve volunteered w/us beforee blah blah…I about busted a vein in my neck. I do not know how they got my #.
comeone should copy all the Obama financial supporters addresses so we can know where to go when when he loses in Denver or November!
Fuzzybeargville
I think Hillary knows that we will not be satisfied with nothing less than he nomination and win as our democratic nominee…
Its good drama for the troops to see how split the party is and it may make more of her supporters less likely to support Obama in November!
fuzzybear (PHD reverse Psycology)
The Nation Goes Under The Bus! Only the Partridge Family (Pelosi, Dean, Danny Bonaduce) are left inside lip-syncing the campaign theme song, “You Thought We Loved You!”
sorry should read:
I think Hillary knows that we will not be satisfied with nothing less than her nomination and win as our democratic nominee…
Fuzzybeargville
Mary? Never mind.
Are we going to witness an apotheosis at the convention?
Gary what did you tell them about volenteering for Obama?
fuzzybeargville
Okay we and Partridge family stopped and picked up the brady bunch and the lip-synched the alternate campaign song…”when its time to change”!
fuzzybeargville
I berated him about where he got my number and then told hiim that I would NEVER volunteer for him, and that I would do everything I possibly could to make sure that he never gets elected…
I was bored one day and looked up celebrity donations by zipcode in the LA area. Michael Douglas gave to all the Dems who were running in January including Kucinich. I thought that was cool.
I can’t believe they have a map showing exactly where the house is. That is just plain spooky!
My apologies if you are still here, Puma SF.
Mary wrote: I see Barack Obama for what he is, an incredibly talented, competent, brilliant, ethical human being who loves his country and wants to serve it well. He has the right combination of attributes and yes experience to be a great president.
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Let’s see you back that up with some evidence, Mary.
List his relevant experience, demonstrate his ethics, competence and brilliance, please. Otherwise STFU.
I’m in a mood today too, madamab!
Magdalena, was there a point on your list today to name an issue on which O held a single position–not flip flopped–or held opposing views simultaneously.
does being “king of the world” mean you are all things to all people with all views.
Pat … WTF??? I googled myself and I got the map link from HuffPo, too.
Ooops … sorry I meant Carol.
It made me break out in a cold sweat to see a map to my house, though.
I just watched the “heckler” video linked from bboomer at 4:34. What struck me was the disrespect from the crowd. This guy was trying to ask a perfectly legitimate question “What have you done for the black community?” One lady stepped over in front of him, then a man in front of him jerked the banner out of his hand. Does the crowd not want to know the answer? Are they embarrassed for O because they know the answer is “nothing”? This guy had the guts to ask what should have been asked long ago and was treated like crap for it.
This video is so disappointing, I am so sad. I do not want the pretend convention that Hillary is describing. What a joke! Gee lets all go and put her in nomination and have a vote we all agree she will lose and that magically we’ll all be unified behind Obama. Geez, its seems to me even Hillary doesn’t get it.
None of these women there raised this issue. How dumb. I will not vote for Obama. zip. There goes PUMA
Phala I lost my Dad in 92, and I’m here for Hill because of him. He was FDR and Liberal thru and thru, and would NEVER have put up with that RBC sh*t.
It’s funny I think of him every day now.
Carol-Huff Post is so totally disgusting. Maps to people’s door online is utterly utterly CR*P. One BIG reason NOT to vote BO and his National Security Force.
britgirls – Laurie: I can’t believe they post the address with a map.
I’m confused a little now about PUMA. I thought PUMA was about nobama. That was why I jumped on the PUMA bandwagon as soon as I saw/heard about it.
Now there seems to be an effort to get us to vote for the phony little poseur so long as he allows Senator Clinton to take a subservient roll. i.e. VP.
Now maybe we’ve all forgotten what an empty spot VP is because the current mediocre resident of the Oval Office turned a goodly share of his power over to his puppet-master aka VP Dick Cheney.
I see no indication that Senator Clinton as Obama’s VP would have ANY power. Nada, zip, zilch. Her place would be to agree with whatever the “One” said. That’s what VP’s do. Whatever they think or say in private the stay in line and follow the party line. I cannot understand why anyone would want to see Hillary Clinton in that role.
If she wants it; then she’s not the woman I thought she was and is just another party animal. I would lose mucho respect for her if that’s what she wants. PUMA means party unity my ass, so far as I understand. Obama/Clinton means party unity.
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