That’s what my college choral director always told us to do with Mozart pieces, well, except for that Lacrimosa. And even that is a waltz. What he meant was that most people think of Mozart in very staid, conservative terms. It’s “classical” music, therefore, it must be serious and boooooorrrrrrinnnng. But actually, I’ve found Mozart to have written some pretty sexy pieces. One of the Te Deums by him ihas a long fugue with all of the parts taking turns and chasing one another building to a delicious crescendo. It is orgasmic.
So, you’re asking, where am I going with this? I dunno. I think what brought it to mind is that I’ve noticed a certain stridency and anger in the PUMAsphere lately and it’s a little disconcerting. For one thing, what has happened has happened and while it is perfectly reasonable to be angry about it, there comes a point in time when we have to move to the next phase. We have to turn that anger into action and that’s hard to do if you’re feeling like you can’t change anything, that you’re still pissed, and that you’re depressed. Is that the face that we want to show the rest of the blogosphere? I mean, here we are, sitting on top of 18 MILLION votes and we’re still angry?
PUMAs, I’m far from angry. I’m positively delighted to have my hand on the lever. I think it’s wonderful that one side wants to court us and the other is trying desperately to make us shut up and “get over it”. What we are doing now is assembling our orchestra, tuning up and will soon will be playing in unison. All we have to do is keep the coalition together in solidarity. And the best way to attract the forlorn and resigned is to “keep it light and dancing”.
Rico, may I have a glass of pinot grigio?
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Well, I am angry. But anger tastes good sometimes, like a nice nuclear vindaloo. It’s one hell of a power source, and it can be lovely to watch when it’s honed sharper than a scalpel and used well.
Thanks RD,
Your phrase, “Hand on the lever” gave me two simultaneous images. First, I thought of a lever in a voting booth. Then I thought of our Leverage.
And I’m happy with our power whichever you were thinking. Pushing our Leverage this summer and being willing to enforce it in the voting booth this Fall.
Is there any news in the Just Say No Deal group? I’ve been a bit out of touch this weekend.
Janis: Well, we wouldn’t still be here if there was nothing worth fighting for. And yes, anger is productive. But who wants to be around downers all day?
See where I’m going with this? It is time to revel in the power that has been thrust upon you.
No one can win without us.
Yes, thank you for the reminder to lighten up. I always enjoyed the nights we spent with Rico and Co.
I’d like a cosmo, please, Rico.
Thanks RD. I have enjoyed your postings so much today. I’ve been too busy to comment much, but have been checking in to read.
I think my anger has mostly turned to acceptance. I don’t mean acceptance of Obama being President or even definitely the nominee though. I accept the need to be patient and take things a step at a time. I do think, as Katie has said, that this will continue to be “a summer of revelations.” He is doing a very good job so far of destroying his own reputation. I am satisfied to wait and watch and do my part to chronicle the process.
I do get annoyed with the Obama supporters who insist on coming here to lecture us, but the fact that they do shows that we’re hitting some nerves.
Riverdaugher, right you are about Mozart. Despite being the epitomy of classical music, he is oh so modern. I think a perfect example of this is one of his DaPonte operas, Cosi Fan Tutti. All confluence readers who don’t know it should go to the library and take it out. If you can get a video tape of the Peter Sellars version (which depicts the opera in modern dress) it’s great!
Cosi really reminds me of this election. If you’ve seen the operal Riverdaughter, you know that it is unclear, even at the end of the opera how the couples pair up. Does Fernando end up with Fiordiligi or Dorabella.? Does Dorabella end up with Fernando or Guglielmo?
The ambiguity is the same as that facing us PUMAs. Some of us are Dorabella, some of us are Fiordiligi. Which of the two men will we end up with. Or will we, like Despina, look elsewhere for our men?
Personally, I;m thinking more and more of looking elsewhere.
A totally off topic question, but the answer could make me VERY happy:
Does anyone know where to buy a bag of “Soda Crystals” they’re used for cleaning. And I can only find them in the UK and shipping alone would be $32. Considering the crystals cost $4.00 that seems extreme.
But are they available in the USA at all?
Kbird: Is that the same as epsom salts or TSP?
Katiebird, I believe you might be able to locate them by going to the Arm and Hammer website
There is always something we can do. Moveon.org is organizing a petition to plea with Obama to change his stance on FISA.
It was with great pleasure I e-mailed them and said
your candidate won, get over it and get in line.
Karma is a bitch
We do need to be patient. Spinning in anger will not bode well. It is actually exhausting.
Careful now, reliquishing anger can result in complacency.
Anger provides a heightened sense of awareness.
Therefore, it is imperative, imo, to replace anger with resolve.
Otherwise, one places oneself at a distinct disadvantage.
RD, I don’t think they’re the same as epsoms salt (but I’ll look) and I don’t know what TSP is, I’ll check that too.
WigWag, I did check the Arm & Hammer site but they don’t package anything that sounds similar.
They’re used as an all purpose cleaner. And I was thinking that for one of my projects this summer, I’ll do some deep cleaning and painting.
The characters in the novel I just finished use Soda Crystals for the tough jobs and I thought I’d try them.
(off to do more research)
Riverdaughter, my anger will remain; but I can think clearly while angry — “angry” doesn’t mean only emotional or only depressed or only helpless. This anger brings steadfastness.
I do not accept what has gone down; I do not plan to move on. The Democratic Party leadership has engineered a fraudulent primary election, not a democratic election of one person, one vote. They have railroaded on us and behind our backs BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, THE FIRST UNQUALIFIED CANDIDATE OF A MAJOR NATIONAL PARTY AND ONE WHO IS AN ILLEGITIMATE “WINNER.” I will not move on.
I continue to support PUMA and Just Say No Deal, but if the situation remains as is and Obamarxist is going to be nominated at the Convention, I think we “refusers” should mount a mock convention of our own and show the country how real democracy works. We can call ourselves the Real Democratic Party.
We have the detailed information on voting that has been approved by the Secretary of each state. We can disallow caucuses where there was an election; leave in the other caucus votes; include all states, e.g., Florida and Michigan, and assign delegates appropriately — no assignments such that African American parts of a state receive more delegates than other areas. Proportional representation, not winner take all like the Republicans. And no superdelegates. Guess what — in a democratic election, I think Hillary wins. PUMAs and Just Say No dealers and other pro-democratic organizations can rewrite the Real DNC rules so that they are truly democratic well before either convention and then we have a model to go on Fox News with and to send everywhere. We do not have to accept what has happened in an authoritarian and fraudulent way.
I apologize, riverdaughter, because you have been valient for the cause of democracy from the very first. I am fully supportive of you and your blog. Onward!!!
Chumped Democrat,
I respect your anger, but I don’t think it’s helpful to use Obama’s middle name–riverdaughter has asked that we not do that. It’s also a little strange to suggests that Obama is a Marxist. He is really a conservative liberatarian on domestic issues and a Reagan/Bush Republican on foreign policy. That isn’t Marxist by any means.
That TSP looks very close! Thanks, riverdaughter — I’ll try that.
riverdaughter, I love your style, and I like and enjoy reading what you have to say. This weekend has been hard for me, because unlike you, I haven’t been able to hear the music. I’ve been depressed and wonder if we’re the only ones out there spinning our wheels …and when we say we’re 1 of 18 million, what does that really mean? Are we 18 million strong?
Too much noise in my head, need to step back and take another look.
Thanks for your perspective!!
Well BB and Katiebird, I posted my reasons for jumping on the bus and my reasons for jumping off. It was cathartic and heart wrenching, but I now feel energized and ready to, as RD says, let go of my anger, push my sleeves up and get to work.
katiebird – what are you painting. Inside or outside?
Just keep the wheels turning. Our goal is to have Hillary become the President of the United States.
Dee, Inside walls and hardwood floors first. Eventually an outside deck.
Also, scrubbing tiles…
I forgot to ask, What kind of cheese do we have?
TSP should work for interior cleaning. I don’t think you can buy it any longer at places like Home Depot, Home Quarters or Lowes – at least not where I live. You might need to go to an old style hardware store.
i have a box of it high on a shelf in my garage but it is at least 20 years old and probably one big lump by now. Good luck with your projects.
WigWag, Cosi Fan Tutti, I was thinking exactly the same thing. I love that opera. The music is incomparable and it says more about the relationship of men and women than any other work of art. It is the perfect metaphor for Obama v, Clinton. I identify with Dorabella (I’m the younger daughter) and like you, I don’t plan to end up with either man. In the election, like the opera, both men are clueless. They’re both dolts!
But, I’ll take your Cosi and raise you one. You know which operatic character Obama reminds me of? How about Don Giovanni? All his sweet talking led to the downfall of alot of nice girls. I’d be happy to see Obama end up in exactly the same place that Don Giovanni ended up.
Yeah, you want TSP – trisodium phosphate.
Thanks, Dee and myiq2xu — I’ll start poking around hardware stores to find it. We’ve got a particularly good one in KCK — the sort with corners that appear to have been left untouched for 30 years or more…
I’m gonna keep being pissed off, it suits my personality. I was never good at the “warm fuzzy” stuff.
It really irritates me when we get trolls like Miriam who claim both sides “played fast and loose’ or Mandos who thinks racism is a matter of perspective.
While I understand what you are trying to say, I must admit that anger is also motivating. My energy level dissipates when I get down but get me angry and I could clean katiebird’s walls and deck from here!.
Anger has a color. While depression may be grayish in tone, anger can be a mixture of red, orange, bright yellow. Holding onto anger can be self destructive but it can also get one to rise out of that chair and insist on a hearing. Anger propelled the civil rights and feminist movements to rise up and be heard.
Anger should never be muted but instead seek a release which translates into action. I see complacency as a rainbow, anger a force.
No one can win without us; but someone will win, and neither candidate deserves to win. So that’s what angers and depresses. On January 20, either Obama or McCain is going to be sworn in, with us or without us. And either of these two is only going to say as much as he thinks he has to, to get some of our votes. Now,. I am convinced that if Hillary ran as an Independent, she would get more popular votes than either Obama or McCain (I call it Hillary 37%, McCain 33%, Obama 29%, Others 1%); but she’s not going to do it, though she really should. So someone will limp to victory, and then do about what we already pretty well figure he will do, once in office. And four years will go by.
Not voting for either of the two will pretty well assure Obama winning, in this climate. Only a massive Hillary-supporter vote for McCain will possibly defeat Obama. So two of the three choices–no vote or Obama vote–get Obama elected. Since I won’t believe anything Obama will say from now until November, my only decision is which regime would be worse for our country, the Democratic Party, and any remaining hope I might have for turning this country’s fortunes around. The dispiriting realization that we are either going to end up with another Republican, or the most bogus, dishonest Democratic candidate I have ever seen, cannot be easily dispelled by the contents of an entire wine cellar.
myiq2xu,
I think that Catharine (the real me) is seriously pissed. But, katiebird (the virtual me) can’t be that mad. People would think I was crazy…..
Katiebird:
Aren’t all of us here a little crazy?
We “cant’ win, but we keep fighting anyway.
Pat — wow. Are you a professional writer? You nail the situation perfectly.
Ah, you are just saying that because you want me to clean those walls and deck!
myiq…
If this year has enlightened me to anything it’s that there are a lot more crazy people in this world than I dreamt. I don’t think my actual anger would surprise anyone around here. But, I try to keep its public manifestation to the occasional spitting match.
Then there’s evil katiebird who actually wants Obama to get the nomination just to prove how hideously unelectable he is. But there’s no room for that kind of talk either at home or here…..
Pat,
You write amazingly well. I hope you don’t mind, but I’ve been saving up some of your comments. I like to use them in a post sometime. I think you are brilliant!
Susan, I think Obama could easily be Don Giovanni. They’re both bastards. Riverdaughter mentioned Mozart in her post but let’s try Rossini f(Barber of Seville) for a minute. Obama sort of reminds me of a clueless Count Almaviva. You know, he pretends to be in charge but he is really dependent on Figaro and Rosina to get everything figured out.
This seems to encapsulate my feeling:
Of course it doesn’t go so well with pinot grigio.
Tequila or whiskey, even vodka. But not pinot grigio.
Pat, believe me while I’d LOVE to have your company, I’ve got plenty of rage to fuel these projects bound up in my own chubby little body. It’s one of the reasons I’m even daring to dream about getting it all done.
soda crystals is another term for sodium carbonate which is another term for baking soda
Linda,
Really? Like the Arm and Hammer baking soda? Because I have used that for cleaning for years.
So this is just a back of baking soda?
That duality resides in most of us. This is what causes the dilemma and why we come to this site. Our talking points and arguments essentially dance around our November decision.
We have been presented with two unworthy choices. We have suffered through 8 years of constant neglect and watched our government disappear. We have been cheated by our own brand. We have seen a valuable and capable candidate eviscerated by a candidate not worthy to touch her hem.
The anger and depression stems from the actual doubt facing us of what to do. How do we make it right? What can we do to change this? What will it take to us to arrive at what is best for us individually? That is why we come here. We are all facing those same questions.
Our duality is shared. There is nothing wrong with how we think. We have been put into a box and the lid is missing. How do we get out intact?
katiebird – I am originally from central Kansas. As you probably know we are mostly German in that part of Kansas and although I am 6th generation American I am still very much ethnically German.
What do we do when we are upset? We clean.
My house needed attention it was not getting during the first five months of the year but you should see it now.
All of my female ancestors would be so proud.
bb: You are so sweet but I am far from brilliant. It just rolls around in my mind sometimes and comes out however I feel. You have seen me snarky, meditative, sentimental, and angry. Depends on what hits me that particular moment.
If I were brilliant I would be in charge of the Hillary Clinton campaign and she would be composing her acceptance speech as we speak.
William,
I would LOVE it if Hillary could find it within her to shake off her Democratic Loyalty and run Independently. I agree about the percent split.
But, I wonder about your view of Obama’s electablility. Do you think he can win with “God Damn America” echoing through the country? And all the other bizarre negatives (his total lack of job experience)
How does he win with all that behind him? He lost a lot more than he won after the Wright tapes came out….
boston boomer, BO was born a marxist because his mother was one and probably her father. The parents moved to Washington State and went to the most radical Church of Christ and sent Stanley Ann to a marxist highschool. In Hawaii the parents friends were marxists; Frank Davis, the black marxist poet was BO’s mentor. He sought out radical marxists the rest of his life. His church, Reverend Wrights church, obeys the black marxist liberation theology. BO was on the cover of Trinity Magazine three times with Louis Farrakhan. Take a closer look. And then there is William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn, etc., etc. Take a closer look. BO is unusually fragmented and opportunistic. Marxist from his mother’s knee; Islamic funding and Chicago/Illinois Combine corruption from the git go with Rezko and Davis; and voting the corporation way so that the big bucks come in. In addition to being UNQUALIFIED and ILLEGITIMATE he is corrupt, grandiose, and a pathological liar.
I love Mozart.
Over at the Tennessee Guerilla Women written on, I think, Thursday, she said:
“Maybe the primary isn’t over after all. If you believe the rumors about a July surprise, it’s not.”
If you go to the website, the quote is from the one titled “Obama Reneges on Campaign Finance Pledge, Blogger Boyz Pounce on Hillary”
Anybody heard anything about a July surprise?
Dee, it doesn’t come quite that naturally to me. My dad’s mom was a cleaning lady — but that talent seems to have passed me by. I seem to take after my much more relaxed Açorean grandparents.
Personally I don’t go for the attempts to prove Obama is secretly a Muslim, a marxist, or gay.
I have plenty of reasons to oppose him without any of that (not that Muslim or gay are reasons to oppose him anyway)
I’ve been thinking along these lines as well, RC. It’s ultimately why I started blogging. I think we need to turn what has been up to this point a pretty emotional experience and develop it into a rational narrative. This is easy enough to do, as a lot of data points are already present. We just need to find ways to present them in a storyline. I’ve been harping on the authoritarian angle you wrote about today for a while now. That’s one vehicle for those data points. I think a lot of blogs like your place, Anglachel’s, my own site, and some others are really trying to attempt to do this, and it’s been gratifying to help build that wave.
RD, not RC, sorry, Slip of the index finger…
kb – had to look that one up. Thanks.
Learn somethin’ new every day.
WigWag, while I was watching Hillary concede, it put me in mind of the Mad Scene from Lucia de Lammermoor. The only difference is that it was me who wanted to commit suicide. But, as you can see, I’m still here. Politics may be bad, but there’s still so much good opera to listen to. That always cheers me up.
Riverdaughter: Good luck with that, and I really mean it sincerely. One of the attractive things about Clinton vs. Obama supporters was a certain lightness of spirit, motivated in part by the understanding that politics wasn’t life, and in part by the belief that our country isn’t in some kind of unique moment of crisis–it’s just had some crappy government, and deserves some good government. The angry catastrophism was for the other folks, and it was a good part of what made them weird and yucky. I have now and very reluctantly made common cause with those folks (I’ll spare you the reasons), and they haven’t changed (they’re just in a predictable new stage viz. their Messiah, that of radical disenchantment), so my only advice to people here is please, don’t be like them.
Oh, and Chumped: Stop picking on Marxism. We already have a party for that kind of philistinism.
Katiebird, I know it’s not something we want to think about, but I think that Obama is odds-on to win this election. The Democrats are still 15 points ahead in the generic match-ups. It’s only because of Obama’s many shortcomings that the polls are this relatively competitive at this point. But McCain and the Republicans have nothing to run on. Not the economy, not the war, nothing. All they have is Obama’s inadequacies, which are many. But usually, when one Party has at least some enthusiasm, and the other has none; the first Party wins.
As I see it, the only possible way Obama could lose (outside of a major scandal, which I keep hoping for), is if a sizeable number of Hillary supporters vote for McCain. Even with all the “bitter” comments, and Wright, and everything else; there are going to be enough credulous people who are going to cast a vote for hope and change, rather than for a 71-year-old man who represents a Party whose brand has been destroyed by Bush. The tragedy, of course, is that Hillary would have won in a landslide, and could have ushered in a new Democratic primacy for a couple of decades. By the time Obama is through with his tenure, the Democrats may actually be worse off than after Carter’s regime.
myiq2xu, I’m in complete agreement:
But, I do think that those issues enter into his unelectability. For one thing, I’m not going to defend him. At least, I’m not going to go out of my way to defend him. He’s got to fight that battle himself.
If I was at all tempted to weaken on the issue his remarks to the Congressional Black Congress (where he claimed that Hillary’s campaign was responsible for a lot of those lies) makes me say — throw anything you want at him, I couldn’t care less.
(I’m not going to worry about that until after the conventions)
Rich, Obama supporters – lightness of spirit? Are you sure about that?
William, I’m thinking if the Repubs are just waiting in the wings, waiting to attack or if they are just in disarray.
William,
I appreciate your POV, and I think at one point, this was a gimme election for whoever the Dem was, which is why Obama fought tooth and nail for it. But we have many months until the actual election, and the narrative can be changed. I think it’s entirely possible to build a real consensus around the fact that Democrats have been completely negligent in their duties since they gained the majority. Keep in mind that news services have adopted the lazy habit of picking up narratives from blogs, so we just need to keep writing and building readerships, get people listening and thinking, and get reporters continuing to not think and report what they read. It’s not going to be easy, but I think it’s worth the effort.
Dee, what?
WS: It was the *Clinton* supporters with the lightness of spirit. Obama supporters have been lugubrious sad-sacks, win or lose.
Rich, I am not being “like them”. I frankly think Obama lacks principles. Bt I am not for McCain. I simply have nogdog in this race. I don’t understand what people expect us to do. What’s not “like them”?
Susan, I’ll try one last example on you given to us by Shakespeare and Verde. Obama reminds me of Othello. It’s not that he’s a Moor (Riverdaughter doesn’t like us alluding to Obama’s possible Muslim background on her site). It’s that like Othello, Obama is a misogynist. And just like Othello ended up with his hands around the throat of Dedemona, I am afraid that Obama is going to end up with his hands around the throat of our country.
Like Shakespeare’s play. It’s a tragedy.
Rich,
It’s funny even the real life Obama supporters I know are sort of rude and spiky about it. My brother’s MIL told me (knowing that I’m supporting Hillary) that she supports Obama because she doesn’t see things “In Black and White”
What was that supposed to mean?
Katie, it likely means she doesn’t know why she supports Obama.
Just a FYI…I just got elected to the DNC today in NC! Just to be clear, I don’t take office until AFTER the convention, so … not necessarily helpful to our present situation. But don’t think I’m not bringing my own wind of “change” when I take office. I’m looking forward to walking into those backrooms now and seeing what the frak is going on. I’ll be taking y’all (metaphorically) with me.
By the by, as a “regular” delegate for this convention (I guess I put on my “super” cape in 2012), it’ll be us NCers with Kansans in a hotel. Any Jayhawks (or whatever the heck you are) out there, let me know.
WOOT!
Got this from Redstate (so sorry, fie on me), an attack ad in South Dakota that caught Obama saying “America is a Muslim nation.” Of course, its just a part of his speech that included all the faiths like America is a Christian nation, America is a Jewish nation etc. etc. but the Republicans cropped the other stuff out.
South Dakota attack ad video – warning from redstate
The Washington Post quotes Obama using the South Dakota ad as one of the reasons to abandon public financing:
“And we’ve already seen them — and there was an ad run in South Dakota . . . where it took a speech that I had made, extolling faith, and made it seem as if I had said that America was a Muslim nation.”
Things to Come or fringe Repub actions?
Great post on how Obama must have facilitated the FISA legislation:
http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=68#761
Wow, Congrats capt!
If Obama is Othello who is his Iago? Oh wait, Andrew Sullivan of course.
Salon’s latest piece on the PUMA Party — here’s a snippet:
Why Clinton voters say they won’t support Obama
The attack of the PUMAs, or a dozen reasons why Clinton voters are still too angry to come home.
By Rebecca Traister
…
“But why do you keep hearing all these stories about grumpy old ladies still hung up on Hillary Clinton, the ones who’re threatening to make a scene at the Democratic convention in Denver, or vote for John McCain in November?
To be fair, it’s not just women. There are plenty of Clinton supporters of every demographic description who are still ticked. But yes, it’s true that the Clinton base skewed female, and that women over 30 are the most vocal of the malcontents. Some of them are calling themselves “PUMAs” (as in “Party Unity My Ass”), an acronym that makes them sound, appropriately enough, like cougars in a very bad mood. Who are these women, and why are they such buzzkills?”
buzzkills? LOL. We are way more fun than the kool-aid drinkers.
Well, Chumped Democrat, we do not use Obama’s middle name here at the Confluence. So please don’t do it again, OK? I’ll leave it up to riverdaughter to decide about the Marxist accusations. It’s up to you, as long as you don’t mind ending up in moderation.
Just got home from a spectacular dinner, with lots of great wines. Can I still join in? I’ll behave, I promise.
Dear Rebecca:
We are the women that life passes through. We are the women who took a journey centuries ago and helped build this country.
We are the women who had no voice, no rights, no entitlements but who shaped their the men who eventually came to recognize the inequality of their existence.
We are the women who nurture, guide, teach, nurse, respond, and serve when called upon.
We are the women who ask that our children have the benefits of safe housing, nourishing food, available healthcare, and the opportunities to succeed.
We are women of all colors, roles, sexuality, ageism.
We are the women who believe in the rights of other women to choose their own destinies without government interference.
We are the women who often raise our children alone and make those necessary sacrifices without fanfare.
Rebecca, in asking who we are, you need only to look no further than yourself. We are you.
MABlue: Need you ask??
MABlue,
It’s good to see you. And you don’t have to “behave.” Just be yourself and that will be fine.
Lets look to the goal, the goal of seeing Hillary’s name on the first ballon in Denver
correction. Hillary’s name on the first ballot in Denver
This is an awful thing to say but I hope something untoward comes out about Obama between now and August. Nothing bad but some crooked land deal or something.
I despise myself for saying this but he is not going to be good for the country. We need Hillary.
Pat,
Who we are is truly beautiful — you are gifted.
Oh man, pardon my outrage, but I am just steaming mad about a crap comment in the Salon link posted earlier. http://letters.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/06/23/pumas/permalink/7a37152f1a5dbc5fcee22992ee9131f5.html
What pisses me off most is this:
“It’s too bad they don’t like being portrayed as racist because some of them were, and many more were just showcasing their privilege. The ultimate glass ceiling for women? Was I asleep in history during the time they just bent over backwards for black people, well black men?”
And I just keep thinking, well, you, you mofo, you were apparently sleeping when they went over, for instance, The Grimke Sister, who gave up their freaking family and homeland in order bend over for those blak folks, even black men. They broke the law by teaching them to read and risked their lives telling their story of life on a plantation. And this was all before 1830! Apparently that turd was also sleeping when they discussed that the white-led abolition movement was heavily populated with females, and that white women were on the forefront of that fight, even agreeing to support the cause of the fifteenth amendment, despite the fact that it purposefully excluded them, and gave black men more rights than white women. So there, you hypocritical, uninformed asshole. Grrrrr.
MABlue,
Should you wish to misbehave, come sit by me.
And I just realized how ironic it is that I posted that in this thread. Okay, I get it. I’m going to bed.
I received another online Zogby poll today. This poll can’t be that reliable because he always polls the same people but with that being said there was some yummy questions?
In ONE word describe:
1. John McCain:
2. Barack Obama:
3.Hillary Clinton:
4.The Bush presidency:
5.The Democratic Controlled Congress:
My responses
1. Strong
2. MANIPULATIVE
3. Determined
4. Failure
5. Pathetic
What would be your choices? Remember only one word.
Alice Roosevelt was pretty funny in her day. That quote is a masterpiece. I think she had it embroidered on a pillow.
“were” (not was) some yummy questions.”
his polls are rather interesting. he has all the classic questions and then tries to pigeonhole you on things like do you own an Apple IPhone or shop at Wal Mart or own a Passport. My answers will probably make his computer blow up.
McCain- Insincere
Obama- untrustworthy
Hillary- fighter
Bush- abomination
Dem CC – travesty
That’s right, Pat, in this play its Obama as Othello and Andrew Sullivan as Iago. The last time this play was put on, Andrew Sullivan was playing Iago to whom? That’s right, George W. Bush. John Kerry auditioned for the part, but if you remember, Andrew hated John Kerry, It seemed that Senator Kerry was against the war in Iraq that Andrew was working so diligently to sell at the time.
1. Moderate
2. Thug
3. Inspirational
4. Waste
5. Bought
Ben,
Thanks, that was kinda fun.
1. Determined
2. Craven
3. Goodness
4. Criminal
5. Flacid
nice…Pat…this is fun.
Folks…it was a real poll. For some reason “manipulative” was the first thing to come to my mind about Obama.
In tooling around to different sites I am amazed at the contortions the Obamabots are engaged in to explain away the old “transcender”.
I swear, they could have pictures of him driving the getaway car down the Pacific Coast Highway with OJ in the backseat and they would praise him for inviting us along on the scenic drive!
ben: But he is all the other adjectives too!
1- Phoney
2- Blank
3- Resolve
4- Disaster
5- Useless
this is fascinating
MA, I was going to say Useless for DCC but I thought they might be useful to someone just not the regular people.
McCain – disheveled
Obama – narcissistic
Clinton – courageous
Bush – crass
Dem Congress – duplicitous
Wow, these are good!
Great video of Hill today:
http://www.wnbc.com/news/16679232/detail.html?taf=ny
Is that a puma on the seal of the school she’s talking in?
McCain – Blech
Obama – Yuck
Clinton – Yay!
Bush – Phooey
Dem Congrss – Sheesh
A COMPILATION:
1- Phoney, strong, moderate, insincere, determined, disheveled
2- Blank, manipulative, craven, thug, untrustworthy, narcissistic
3- Resolve, goodness, inspirational, fighter, determined, courageous
4- Disaster, criminal, waste, abomination, crass, failure
5- Useless, flacid, bought, travesty, pathetic, duplicitous
oddly, congress seems to get most of our ire.
I got the Zogby poll myself. Tried to pick the most commonly used words I could..
1. Republican
2. Dishonest
3. Tough
4. Disaster
5. Ineffective
My favorite bit of Mozart is in Don Giovanni where he seduces the young bride – the back and forth them. Oh, fantastic!!!!
What’s striking me is the Hillary is free falling. It’s a beautiful thing to watch. My Christian friends say, “let go and let god” – it’s like that. She’s not morose or angry – we shouldn’t be either. She’s on her feet doing her job with her customary grace, intellect and presence. She’s somethin’. She’s really somethin’.
josgirl…very funny!
I just watched the video that masslib provided. How good it was to see Hillary again but wistful too in that she was criminally denied the nomination.
It will take years for this nation to heal. But she has truly inspired many, many young women to follow her lead.
Ben,
Perhaps Congress gets our ire because it is opportunity lost as opposed to Bush where there wasn’t any question he would be anything more than an abject failure.
All things considered, I’d rather be McCain than BZero by our barometer.
well put Prolix. and the betrayal of hillary and the rest of us doesnt help their cause.
Iago – DNC
Desdemona – Hillary
I too think Obama is going to have a hard time pulling this off. Considering that exit polling in some states showed up to 49% of her voters won’t vote for him, and I’ve read a quarter of the 18 million votes she got won’t vote for him, the numbers just don’t look good.
O’s problem is McCain. He’s considered a moderate, he’s likable, he’s considered a patriot (Obama’s biggest problem), he can be funny, his wife is likable (enough), the press likes him, he’s not Bush.
And Bush won twice.
I’m out of the prediction thing at this point. I will know on election night who won. I’m so enjoying not reading polls and not having my candidate vilified every day.
Jmac: I wish I had your confidence but I see him pulling this off unless some bombshell makes its way into the race. The Repubs are dissatisfied with their candidate and the war has lost its luster for them as well.
Obama may just pull it out; we won’t know until late October when the polls are more likely to be somewhat accurate. Either one will be a disaster but his intentions are murky since we have such a small paper trail to base any knowledge of how he will govern. The man has never held a full time job.
My favorite:
josgirl, on June 22nd, 2008 at 11:06 pm Said:
McCain – Blech
Obama – Yuck
Clinton – Yay!
Bush – Phooey
Dem Congrss – Sheesh
I Agree with you, Pat. I think he will pull it off. He’s adopted Bush’s playbook and so far it’s worked. And I don’t think the love affair he has going with the press is going to end. Maureen is in love (when Bush was running, I thought she loved him too – maybe she just saw a great book coming and she sees one with Obama also).
But it’s not going to be easy.
Lori, the scene in Don Giovanni that your talking about is where Giovanni seduces Zerlina, the beautiful fiance of Masetto. This is the scene where he sings “Là ci darem la mano” One of the most famous and beautiful arias in all of opera. I suggest you cruise over to You Tube and search on the Aria. There are many versions there and I know you will love it.
Senator Clinton is not really like Zerlina, (who is young and innocent) she is much more like Donna Anna (whose father is killed by Giovanni).
Giovanni is a scoundrel who seduces women only to disappoint them. Sound familiar? It sure reminds me of Obama. But in the end, Donna Anna (the Hillary-like character) gets her revenge. Giovanni ends up in hell.
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst…that’s how i see it at this point. McCain (again coming from someone who is on news black out) doesnt have those rabid supporters like bush had who will go on tv and say and do anything for him. obama has that. now everything is unexpected this year…and, remember, gore was supposed to win by all indicators…but…l’m waiting until election night.
Pat, I hope it’s not too sexist to say so, but
Lady MacBeth=Michelle Obama
There was lots of babble going on this morning in the chattering coffee klatches on the networks. One of the most ominous in the parade of horribles was that prior to November, Israel would attack the nuke site in Iran with Bush’s silent approval. Israel has just completed a training exercise of 900 miles, the same distance it is to the nuke site from their airfields.
The way the scenario unfolds is that we would come to Israel’s side and perhaps even enter the fray if push came to shove. The political fallout would favor McCain, but whoever is in the O Office come January it would not be pleasant.
Striking before Nov. does one thing for Israel, they don’t have to worry about who is elected — the deed will be done and our dye will be cast in the equation. If the situation does go south, the collective thinking was that McCain was the benefactor of any such action.
I think the Obamites demonize McCain so much because in truth he isn’t that bad (I’m still not voting for him)
He really is a moderate Republican who talks like a conservative to win the GOP nomination.
But the #1 Obamanation talking point is “McCain is evil”
The old #1 was “Hillary is evil” though, which should tell us something.
Prolix! We’ve pulled poor Riverdaughter from light and dancing to doom and gloom – O winning, Israel strikling!
LMAO you guys! Soda crystals! Zogby! Sully! Ya’ll are in fine form this evening!
Sorry, Jmac, I’ll go back in the corner and mumble to myself now.
I’m thinking that Hillary gets the nomination and wins the election and we all meet up at the inauguration in January.
Because nothing else makes sense.
The other option is that it’s all been a dream and we don’t actually know each other at all.
Riverdaughter, I can sort of see what you mean. The NObama crowd does take its duty quite seriously, maybe too seriously. Some have gone overboard. Some may say that I have gone overboard.
It’s a matter of personality, perhaps. What your choral director said was right: Mozart should dance. But there are any number of composers Iike better than Mozart.
Truth be told, I’m a Bruckner fan. Anton don’t dance.
I included myself in that Prolix – Obama and the Democratic party is one subject that I can’t seem to get any humor out of – except that wonderful video of Pumas (Monty Python’s old ladies attacking).
Oh, and the seal. The seal made me laugh.
Wig-wag, I love Don Giovanni – and yes, that’s the scene I’m talking about. Heavenly music. Since it sounds like you’re an opera fan, I’d like to give you a link to our promo piece for our documentary on Ann Baltz’ OperaWorks.
http://www.bradmays.com/owtrailerb.mov
Oh, don’t mind me Jmac, I’m in natural repose when I’m in the corner mumbling. Remarkably, it’s when I seem to make the most sense, of course, there’s no one else listening.
Bruckner better than Mozart. That is sacrilege! Bruckner’s work is polyphonous not melodious.
Clinton=Mozart
Obama=Bruckner
OT, but this is funny. I just wrote about Hill’s speech today, and I suggested perhaps the cat on the seal in front of the podium was a puma. Campskunk zoomed in on it, and it sure looks like one. How funny. Take a look. It’s in the comments:
http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=69
Thanks, Lori, I enjoyed the video.
Joseph, I LOVE your site — I check it constantly looking for new posts and comments.
I was just watching that orchestra video with my son, a violinist and committed PUMA. We were enjoying seeing their interaction with eachother-navigating such complexity with smiles and connected glances. What a great analogy, RD! That’s exactly how we should be. And I think, it’s how we are.
We have work to do, but I feel just fine.
Hi Sis, you know how stubborn I am–I am still attached to going to Hillary’s inauguration. Delusional-maybe, but these are wild times.
Don’t be mad-I’m back to thinking about voting for McCain. Obama’s actions this week are making me feel more and more confident that he is a Repug-plain and simple.
Jmac – I’m glad you like it. Ann’s work is amazing. And it was so fantastic to spend six weeks just listening to one aria after another all lday long. What a dream.
We’ll my husband is watching the director’s cut of Amadeus right now. I should go join him.
(waving) Hi Joanie! I’m sliding off to bed, but I had to say something!
Hi back, Cathy! nighty night.
I’m not mad — it’s just not something I have to think that much about since I don’t live in a swing state. I wonder what FH is thinking about doing?
Washington state tends to be comfortably blue, but this year? I really don’t know. I do know that it feels that I will truly be taking a stand with a vote for mcCain. It’s a long way off, but I would have to be prepared for feeling the weight of my actions. It’s just that honestly—McCain feels less scary. Am I crazy?
Our brother (FH) is hoping that Obama can be reasoned with. I shot him a note full of PUMA power. Not gonna happen.
Lightning will strike if this lifelong DEMO votes for a Republican prez. I am still in disbelief that it is even a consideration for me, much less a STRONG one.
Lori:
Yes, I am more of an opera fanatic than just a fan. Thanks so much for the link. The video is really impressive, Some of the young people in the film had really good voices for inexperienced singers. Are these folks singing professionally yet? Many of them sound like the could be. The emphasis on body awareness, yoga and dance seems really unique. I even think I might have seen a quick example of someone using a body awareness technique that I use called Feldenkrais (but I could be wrong about this).
When does the documentary come out.? I will look forward to seeing it. Any more information you can provide will be appreciated.
After my last comment, I went over to youtube myself to look for a video of Là ci darem la mano. There’s a really good one of Bryn Turfel and Cecilia Bartoli. Bryn Turfel is probably my favorite singer, I saw him in the Metropolitant Opera version of Le Nozze de Figaro. He was indescribably good.
Anwyay, thanks again for the video. It’s good that art can lift our spirits when politics is so depressing!
Thank You masslib !
The video was great !
I miss her soooooooooo much!
“NEITHER” of these guys can hold a candle to her !
Yet she’s the one who’s out??
I still can’t accept it!
Lou Dobbs sounded as “frustrated” as we are to-nite,
with the choices we have remaining.
All this energy talk ,she was “leading the charge” months ago!!
Washing soda is sold by Arm and Hammer, it’s called Soda Crystals in England.
Not sure if this’ll work but this site explains the difference between washing soda and baking soda:
http://www.diaperpin.com/clothdiapers/article_bakingsoda.asp
I’m with Joaniebone. I live in WA state and I can’t believe I’m thinking about voting for McCain. But I know I can’t put my name on an Obama administration, I just can’t. He scares me. Maybe it’s ‘better the devil you know than the one you don’t'?
“But the #1 Obamanation talking point is “McCain is evil”
The old #1 was “Hillary is evil” though, which should tell us something.”
Wasn’t there something posted on the BO official site about how ‘Hillary is no longer our enemy, McCain is our enemy now’?
Uh, this is a primary dudes. Opponent and enemy not really the same thing.
Plus I have come to think that your true enemies are things like, democratic principles, Democratic principles principles in general…
Seriously? You mean seriously stupid!
HAHAHA!
oh, watch, the squirm is just so beginning damn. hahahahahahahah!
it’s all those advertising and media dollars that are going to be banned!
RD & Co, in case you haven’t noticed, Salon.com, oh my darlings…if only she knew!
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/06/23/pumas/
it’s that LEVER, no? Violets Lever, and Uppitys piece! ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
you see, their actual jobs are on the line now, aren’t they?
Funny, it was those older sisters from the 60’s who taught us how, no?
hugs my darlings, confetti, chocolates galore, fabulous champagne all round and beer and cheetos where they belong!
xxoo!
Washing soda is sold by Arm and Hammer, it’s called Soda Crystals in England.
Not sure if this’ll work but this site explains the difference between washing soda and baking soda:
http://www.diaperpin.com/clothdiapers/article_bakingsoda.asp
Are we talking about Borax? Sold in the laundry aisle, looks a little like baking soda, also works to kill roaches?
Also really thinking about voting for McCain – and a lifelong yellow dog. Up till this year, anyway.
I live in the South, and as time goes on I find it’s bothering me more and more to have people assume I’m a racist for supporting Hillary. Mostly because I’m a lifetime member of the NAACP, have idolized MLK for years, etc.
I’m just so angry Obama has done this to our country. I will never. Ever. Forgive him. Just saw another news article to the effect he’s really planning on playing the abortion card to stop us voting for McCain.
When I was in my 20s that was my single issue, but it’s just not going to be enough this time, I don’t think.
think WHALERIDER!
“an attack ad in South Dakota that caught Obama saying “America is a Muslim nation.” Of course, its just a part of his speech that included all the faiths like America is a Christian nation, America is a Jewish nation etc. etc. but the Republicans cropped the other stuff out.”
This is despicable. I hate it when any party uses these slimey tactics… fear mongers, liars, taking things out of context. Will we ever see a fair fight between political opponents??
WigWag: Bruckner = Obama? Them’s fightin’ words. This being someone else’s site, I will not engage in the battle here. That said, everyone knows that Anton’s an acquired taste. More people these days seem to be making the acquisition. At any rate, he was, by all accounts, a genuinely kind and religious person, even though he was an ugly, socially inapt man who died a virgin. All very non-O. Bruckner = Bruckner, and nobody else.
masslib,
You’re right! It is a Puma! You’ll notice at the moment she’s resting. Pumas never pounce in anger… only survival. Gathering her strength.
The confluence is now my touchstone each morning and evening. I love the point of this post… “Keep it light and dancing”. My anger has long since hardened into steely resolve on the inside and a wry incredulousness on the outside…
I mean, can you believe some of these lovely tidbits we’re being thrown?!! And he’s still the presumptive nominee?!! It should be an interesting summer…
I’m a busy (w/ p/t jobs & own bus.) low income for the time being single mom so I’m patiently waiting to cast my vote for someone other than O in November. In the meantime I am doing whatever I can to help resist the travesty that has been unfolding before us regarding the DNC… I give what I can to retire Hillary’s debt, I write e-mails/faxes to supers, Dean, et. al. And given what I can so far to PUMA pac…
I am sure there are quiet ones like me galore and I know while I know I’d like to do more it’s just not the reality for me at the moment… But I’m paying attention and for those wonderful ones willing to aquistion the boat and get it steered in the right direction there are a lot of us willing to jump in and take a turn w/ an oar…
Keep up your guidance and suggestions… give us those calls to action and tell us where to show up to protest when the time is right and we’ll be there. And thank you for all your hard work and inspiration, it is appreciated!
RD, can we keep it light and dancing and still be a little bit pissed? Righteous anger can be a positive force so long as it doesn’t descend into self-righteous pissiness.
As Walt Kelly once had Pogo say:
“We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities.”
We can use those opportunities or we can simply be what we were called and be bitter. I’m maintaining my right to righteous anger and my right to do something about it. We need to aim that anger where it will have the results we seek.
18 million voices will be heard no matter how much they try to pretend that we have all been assimilated.
I am angry.
I am still angry at the 2000 theft.
I’ll be angry about both till the day I die.
And that won’t stop me from experience joy from other sources.
I still enjoy Mozart and will have my wine RED.
Turning anger into political action is what I done from day one.
It doesn’t make the anger go away, it just sublimates into something
useful. And yes, it does add some sense of empowerment
and maybe delight to it all.
But anger is the ever-chugging engine.
It stays.
here’s my response to the TRAISTER article on salon.com they wrote on PUMAS … the link is there and I wish you’d go disabuse the writer on why were NOT voting for Obama …
thank you
http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/my-top-ten-list-why-im-not-voting-for-obama/
( It’s basically my TOP 10 reasons I’m not voting for Obama in response to some nonsense listed about the PUMA movement on salon. Number 10 is a great link to a youtube called LIAR!)
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