He doesn’t need Ohio and Florida. No, he doesn’t need us.
He can do fine with some pretentious liberals. Pretentious liberals are all he needs.
And mountain west libertarians.
Yes, he can do without Appalachia. All he needs is Pretentious liberals and mountain west libertarians.
And some young college people.
But that’s it! He doesn’t need any ex-Clinton people or old people or gays. All he needs is Pretentious liberals and mountain west libertarians and some young college people.
And former moderate Republicans with money. That’s all he needs.
He doesn’t need working class people. All he needs is Pretentious Liberals, mountain west libertarians, some young college people and moderate Republicans with money.
And all of the African-Americans.
And he doesn’t need women. No, he can do fine without us. All he needs is Pretentious Liberals, mountain west libertarians, some young college people, moderate Republicans with money and African Americans.
And Evangelicals. But that’s all he needs! He doesn’t need anything else.
What do you think he is?! Some kind of jerk or something?!
Filed under: Barack Obama, General | Tagged: Plouffe writes off Ohio and Florida, Steve Martin, The Jerk
TheHill.com had an article about this:
http://hill6.thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-returns-to-michigan-with-an-eye-on-the-economy-electoral-votes-2008-06-16.html
My favorite part was concerning the Michigan primary: Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), one of the only Democratic candidates who didn’t remove her name from the Jan. 15 ballot, won the primary with 55 percent of the vote. Because there was still a full slate of Democratic candidates — former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), New Mexcio Gov. Bill Richardson and Sen. Joseph Biden (Del.), although they were not on the Michigan ballot — it is difficult to tell how many of those who voted for “uncommitted” did so as a protest vote in favor of Obama.
Gawd, Americans are so stoopid sometimes. It’s embarrassing for me to be around my foreign born colleagues. I’m always having to make excuses for the bizarre way we think.
He’s counting on women and other parts of the base to “come back”–and all too many will.
Unreal—they either:
1. believe this crap, or
2.don’t expect to win, meaning it was all about getting rid of Hillary
He doesn’t need any people at all.
Just checks. Or cash. Or credit card numbers.
Davidson-I think you are right. I’m already hearing from friends that we have to vote for him because of Roe v. Wade—to which I respond, the SC is alread 5-4. What’s stopping them now?
And Chicago thugs to muscle his way for him. Yeah. And billionaires to finance him and to buy his superdelegates. Yeah, That’s all he needs. He’s no jerk.
That was funny.
I had an epiphany yesterday night and now know who I will be voting for in November.
I think Obama’s problem is that many of us WON’T come around. For me every time I start thinking that I’m over reacting and that I was just SO committed to Hillary I’m not seeing straight he does or says something else to remind me of his weaknesses.
And while, yes — some people will “come back” to the nominee. A lot of people will be running away by the end of this election.
His utter lack of grace is not going to play well against John McCain.
And you can’t give him a resume that he just doesn’t have. Honestly — that’s the weirdest thing about this election. Finding out that the Presidency is an entry level position. I really didn’t know that.
Upstate, can you share it?
How do we know once he is elected who he might choose, or whether Roe vs. Wade means jack to him? Sorry, I don’t trust this guy AT ALL.
You forgot the realists.
Obama doesn’t need realists.
He just needs the “Hopeful” voters.
Truly heavy sigh.
Karolina: I realize that George Soros is the boogeyman of the Fox News viewer but to be honest, I’m not falling for that. George Soros has also given startup money to organizations we value, or did until the Dean machine and Obama started to feed them kool-aid.
George Soros is no Emmanuel Goldstein and I wish you and others would stop floating that meme. He can give his money to whomever he likes and he is subject to the same campaign finance laws as everyone else.
Good morning all!
We already have an arrogant idiot-in-chief in the White House, why we need another one?
No, kbird, it is a secret…but let’s say that Al’s endorsement did not convince me.
heh.
It’s arrogance, plain and simple. Obama has a Messiah complex and his followers are like brain-washed Jesus freaks, complete with “testifying” about their ephiphanies. It’s more like a religious movement than a political campaign; hence the self-righteousness and contempt for all us sinners who haven’t seen the light.
Either that, or perhaps they’re confused and think the general election is a caucus.
@KC: It’s exactly what’s happening. They absolutely believe women will come back to Obama–and most already have. It’s not just Roe, which I agree is a bullshit argument, but the reason why so many Democrats remain so at ease with the misogyny being leveled at HRC and her supporters is that our culture conditions women to accept abuse, second place, and many women engaged in bigotry themselves to punish Clinton for going against that culture (Last night, my friends and I went out to dinner and we heard young women referring to “Hilary C**ton”).
From just my own personal anecdotes, the men I know are more hellbent on punishing Obama than the women are. Some of the women are scared of just abstaining.
This opens the door for oh-so-many of us to shoot for the presidency, because now a fat resume, strong experience, and solid character are no longer necessary to be the US President. Um, oh— actually that glass ceiling was opened eight years ago.
I think the Dems are very upset at losing us, but they have to try several tactics here: convince the less committed Obama supporters that PUMA is the fringe of angry older women (the First Wives Club?), or that we have been duped by McCain (our friends told my partner we were being led by Republicans on this website–uhhuh), but that if we are serious Dems we’ll come back to the fold. We need you but we don’t. I think it is all about getting rid of Hillary–and Bill. For some reason, the party doesn’t want the only former Democratic president who held two full terms in office since 1945 to be important in the party. Now go figure.
1945. FDR is done. We still have to worship at the altar of Camelot for some reason, but that won’t last long. BO is pandering.
I watched a show about Eleanor Roosevelt last night. In 1940 she gave a speech pleading for party unity–it has always been a fragile coalition. And years later she was asked what the most important word was that she thought people hear, and she said, “Hope.” (I groaned a little, but then told myself she didn’t know Obama).
We have to let go of the Democratic Party. What that party stood for exists no longer. Our hope lies in forming something new, IMO, not in seeking power within the party. I don’t think we can get it back b/c it has been tumbling for a long time. Even if Al Gore endorses Obama–and every party liner will, I don’t really hold that against him–I think it’s a miracle they all didn’t come flooding out immediately, which says something–Al Gore must know the party he belonged to abandoned him. It left him in the dust in 2000. Instead of demanding a rebellion, they sent their boyz to the inauguration of a president named by the SCOTUS.
I am glad to be done with them. I want to build something new, not spend time patching a crumbling structure. Hillary was the last hope for the Dems. Now we have to hope in a different direction, away from Obama and the corrupt machine politics he and his lackeys want to install.
Here is a link to the two PUMA’s on Indie radio this morning. It includes only the Q and A session.
http://proletariat.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/puma_indieradio.mp3
stilife, I know where you are coming from but believe me, my non-O-related epiphany was the best I ever had (smoking a cigarette in bed).
‘…every time I start thinking that I’m over reacting and that I was just SO committed to Hillary I’m not seeing straight he does or says something else to ‘remind me of his weaknesses. katiebird
That describes me to a T. And then I come to the Confluence and visit at Larry Johnson, and I just want to cry I am so angry about the abuse and the deception byt eh party that is supposed to represent me and mine.
I just returned from Larry Johnson’s blog and the videore:naming Patti Solis Doyle whose brother is a Chicago alderman in Obama’s pocket.. the video all but suggested outright that she was a mole in the Clinton camp. I shook my head yesterday when I heard the news and then left the computer off the rest of the night. Now I turn it on and am sickened once again. I need to leave for work.
Oh, and Obama doesn’t need anyone . . . but the lobbyists bundling money for him.
SUCCESS! I got my Democracy Bond money back from the DNC. Assholes.
http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=11
Now I want to get my party back, but for that I’m afraid I’ll have to wait until November.
chimera: I can assure you that I am not a Republican. Never been one and have only voted for a Republican *once* for Sheriff.
Litigatormom, bostonboomer and dotcommodity were former kossacks and they definitely aren’t Republican. Kbird doesn’t strike me as a Republican and neither does Garychapelhill and Mawm. Ronkseattle is a long time proponent of the progressive blogosphere. Regencyg is just a baby and has definite anti GOP tendencies. We’re not Goopers.
They want us to stay home. I keep reading that, in their opinion, “it will be just too hard for them to vote for McCain.”
I’m voting for McCain.
They will suppress our vote in many ways, including demoralizing us. The have the audacity that they can shame us into staying home – yes, shame. We will be shamed 24/7 overtly and covertly.
By that I mean if we can’t vote for Obama, then voting for McCain is horrendous. It’s anti-choice. It’s pro-war. How can any normal woman vote for McCain? You are a bad woman/mother/daughter/wife if you vote for McCain.
Don’t fall for it. Voting for McCain is the path I’ve chosen
I have no problem with Soros giving his money wherever he wants to donate. The problem that I have with him is that the things that I have read about him, and have heard him say about himself in interviews, leaves aware that he never does anything without a personal agenda. And that personal agenda involves creating an environment from which he will be able to harvest much more $$$$$.
I think the campaign would also take scrap gold and silver. Old spoons, watches, crappy jewelry an old boyfriend gave you could be sent in to support THE ONE. Or maybe posthumous gifts like PBS.
Yes, Riverdaughter, but if you think George Soros has been a force for good in this election, you’re wrong. Mr. Soros has done some important charity work and I am sure all of us support the important work he did with his open societies mission in the former communist states of eastern Europe. But the flip side of this is that despite being Jewish himself, he has supported profoundly anti-Israel and some would say Anti-Semitic organizations. If you’ve read his books as I have, you would know that his discourse on foreign policy is obtuse. He’s just another rich guy who thinks his wealth gives him the right to pontificate about how we all should live. He’s not terrible, but he’s not great either.
“Kbird doesn’t strike me as a Republican” — (giggling at the thought)
I once voted for a former Nazi who was running as a Democrat for Senate. So I think I know a thing or two about voting the straight party ticket.
I’ve actually never voted for a Republican (or third party candidate) in my life.
With my history I think it is possible that Obama could have gotten my vote. Except that every time I think I can accept one aspect of his history, I remember another horrible weakness.
I just can’t make myself do it.
The Aura of His Being!
Obama the “lightworker!”
Proof of Cult-Thinking comes from Mark Morford:
“…Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.
“The unusual thing is, true Lightworkers almost never appear on such a brutal, spiritually demeaning stage as national politics. This is why Obama is so rare. And this why he is so often compared to Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr., to those leaders in our culture whose stirring vibrations still resonate throughout our short history….”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL
Arabella: “You are a bad woman/mother/daughter/wife if you vote for McCain.”
Are you a bad woman, my Talaxian friend? No, I do not think so….
I will not be voting for McCain but…can we still be friends?
kbird: “I just can’t make myself do it.”
Me neither…
What is a little ironic about the whole Roe vs. Wade argument is that a lot of people just do not understand the original ruling. It was not the abortion should be 100% legal everywhere 24/7 (even if it should be).
Some states have been rolling back Roe vs. Wade for a long time now with more and more restrictive legislation. I read the other day about pro-life pharmacies that will not even sell any contraception.
Roe vs. Wade is never going to be overturned in some huge sweeping SC ruling. Since the Reagan revolution it has been losing ground, inch by inch. The supreme court has also been staunchly pro-business, ultra free market the past couple of years. This is important as well and these are changes that are going to take decades to reverse. It is all a bit depressing.
leslie, I just find it so hard to believe that Solis Doyle was a mole for Clinton. She was a long time assistant for Hillary in the WH and ran her two senate campaigns. It just makes no sense. Also, I volunteered in PA in the Harrisburg office run by Maya Solis who is related to one of the other of the Solis’s and she seemed perfectly comfortable as being pro-Clinton. I didn’t detect any signs of disloyalty at all in her.
I think Solis Doyle just couldn’t make the transition from a state to a nation wide campaign and planned badly. All of the premises went out the window this primary season and she didn’t see it. The money was handled badly and they spent mega oodles in Iowa while starving states on Super Tuesday. Yes, there were definite underfundings in critical states on Feb 5. The Clinton campaign was biting its nails in NJ. No money for operations in some urban neighborhoods, no money for yard signs. Even the bumper sticker on my car is in Spanish. I couldn’t find one in English. And the campaign staff was calling from different parts of the state to the Trenton HQ asking for cash and there just wasn’t any. They were scared $%#!less because Obama was flooding the state with cash and all they could do was brace themselves and hope for a slim victory.
As it turned out, she won by 10 points here but it must have been nerve wracking all over the country.
THAT’S why she was demoted. She wasn’t a mole. She just failed to plan adequately. You can’t let that happen in a campaign this size.
If she took it badly and then left under less than friendly terms, it is indeed regrettable but perfectly understandable from Clinton’s side. That was her campaign warchest and it was gone as of Feb 5.
Thanks UpState. I always try to be a good Talaxian.
And of course you are my friend!
I, too, keep hearing that most women have come back to Obama, but this should be reflected in polling. As women constitute a large portion of the Democratic party, there should be significant upswings, and I’m not seeing this. Yesterfay’s Gallup poll showed Obama 2 points above McCain.
George Soros is not a United States citizen. Soros did a very disturbing interview with Steve Kroft on 60 minutes, talking about his experience as being a 14 year old “godson” to a SS member. Soros went with his godfather to Jewish homes confiscating their valuables before shipping them off to the death camps. Kroft asked Soros how that made him feel, and Soros said he felt nothing, it wasn’t his fault and he was just an observer. Soros does not have the United States best interest at heart by backing Obama, but he does have his best interest in making billions by backing Obama. Soros also wants to eliminate the State of Israel, and Obama has Zbig Bresinski giving him foreign policy advice on that front.
RD: “Even the bumper sticker on my car is in Spanish.”
and what is wrong with that? heh.
The Patti Solis Doyle thing stinks to high heaven.
I mean, the Vice-Presidency is a constitutional office– and Obama thinks he can tell the VP who his/her chief of staff will be?
Its also a signal that the VP job will simply go back to being a ‘nothing’ position — that the VP will not have his/her own ‘portfolio’, but will simply be a puppet who jumps when Obama says ‘jump’
My guess is that there are a lot of professional politicians in the Democratic Party who are experiencing buyers remorse right now — people who have built their own power bases, and see those bases being decimated/destroyed by the Obamanation.
Hopefully, Clinton is sitting back, waiting for the right moment — because right now it seems to me that team clinton is just giving lip service to the ‘party unity’ theme, and watching and waiting to see what developes….
River Daughter,
Maybe Kos is not the best way to defend yourself from being a Republican. I have always understood that as a college student he was involved with Republican politics.
But isn’t this the case with much of these net roots. In the 90’s they were Republicans, and now the are Obama’s base.
plukasiak, what you just said in a comment at Corrente is really important. Could you work it into a post for here and there?
Now that there are organizations like “Democrats for McCain” and “Just Say No Deal” it’s easier for Clintonisitas to be OK with not voting for Obama.
Democrats who won’t vote for Obama (because he’s not fit to be CIC) need to be shown other options.
Notice how Obamanauts insult us with “You are not a Democrat.” As if we’ll just shut up and meekly pull the lever for Obama out of shame.
Hilariously, I found this comment on an Obama blog “I’m starting to think the PUMA thing is not about Clinton.”
PUMA
plukasiak; “because right now it seems to me that team clinton is just giving lip service to the ‘party unity’ theme, and watching and waiting to see what developes….”
I do not know…after her latest email (picture book from the campaign)…I think she is going to start ramping up the whole unity theme/psychological warfare thingy.
DO NOT BELIEVE THE POLLS!
The pollsters can get the results they are looking for!
It is more of the Kool-Aide to tell us we are all coming together!
Fargettaboutit!
If a third of the women who voted for Hillary are not going to vote for Obama, he has problems. But it’s a long summer and the polls aren’t worth bothering with, IMO.
riverdaughter, guess where this “george soros is the devil” stuff is coming from:
http://www.larouchepac.com/
top stories:
Your Enemy, George Soros
Soros: The man without a conscience
Soros’ Happiest Years
“It is a sacrilegious thing to say, but these ten months were the happiest times of my life…”
ABC/WaPo poll said no bounce for Obama, O leads 48-42 just after being selected as the nominee:
“All these, again, return to an examination of why, given his advantages, Obama’s not doing better against McCain – a question on which groups such as swing voters, Clinton supporters, ideological preferences, young voters and concerns about Obama’s experience all play a role.”
Dems: 14% defection rate
Reps: 9% defection rate
24% of Clinton supporters go to McCain
Just 50% think O is experienced enough to run for President.
Said O’s problem with some Clinton supporters is less based on demographics but more on wanting strength and experience in a President rather than Change.
More people trust O on domestic affairs. More people trust McCain on terrorism and international affairs (by less on international affairs).
Independents split evenly.
Obama has all the advantages of a Dem year but there is reticence from the public. McCain’s job is to make independents uncomfortable with Obama, secure more of the Republican base, and court Clinton supporters.
Soros is baaad news.
The “defection” of Patti Solis Doyle smacks of a former best friend dating my ex husband. It is just another slap in the face to Hillary. Having Patti onboard is ironic since she supposedly caused damage to the Clinton campaign but is now joining the opposition that smeared Hillary.
Anyone who thinks Soros is a good guy, should start doing some research. I do believe he has been a really negative force on this party and certainly on MoveOn.
But I also believe that any one person who has such dispropotionate influence on the party because of their wealth is going to be bad for Democracy.
I am not sure what the way out is, because obviously there is the First amendment, and because of that great right which I totally defend, it is hard to get campaign finance reform with real teeth.
Soros and his kind get around campaign finance laws by donating to 527s and agreeing to fund other projects that a law maker is engaged in. I believe that is what happened with the John Edwards endorsement.
Campskunk, your comment is beneath you. Lyndon Larouche is repulsive. Those of us who don’t think George Soros is is an unabashedly positive force for good are not Larouche supporters. We just have a nuanced view of Soros and his work. Personally, I doubt that without the support of Soros, Obama could have been nominated.
You owe us an apology.
@campskunk: Don’t ever link to a site associated with LaRouche. There’s legitimate grounds of criticism of Soros but tying the basis of that criticism to LaRouche is inflammatory.
We all need to be careful with our comments because plenty of people lurk and take these comments as reflections of either HRC or criticism of Obama.
Good Actress:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=267744a9-8fcc-46b6-9eb2-a2850a8936de
Hillary will rise like a Phoenix!
In the Meantime:
It seems to me that hiring Solis Doyle as chief of staff for the VP candidate is a very clear signal that Obama is not going to ask Clinton to be his VP. Not that those of us here don’t already believe that Obama is too arrogant to ask her. But most Democrats still think she is the top candidate for the position. He might have been wiser to wait awhile before showing his hand, but he just couldn’t resist the big FU to Clinton.
Just remember: We all have the “Hillary factor” within us, the deep grit, tenacity, bulldogishness. Ignore the bad stuff.
I don’t think Doyle is going to change hearts and minds one way or the other. For most PUMA people, the nail in the coffin was the decision by the Rules Committee and the shabby way HRC was treated by her own party. Add the fact that Obama is unsuitable and unqualified for the POTUS and you have irreconcilable reasons for not voting for BO. His meager qualifications and shady Chicago history are not going to change by November.
I heard someone on the news say that the Dems were a party that couldn’t lose with a candidate that couldn’t win. And the Republicans are a party that can’t win with a candidate that can’t lose. It’s such a weird dynamic this year.
I’ve already made my mind up. I won’t stay home [Donna Brazile's suggestion] and I won’t vote or support Barack Obama. Al Gore did not change my mind. He simply disappointed me, again.
PUMApac.org
Oh my, did I need this today! So funny riverdaughter, thanks, and that’s all I need.
BB – Hillary doesn’t need to humble herself before the “Great ONE” – all further communication between them should be Hillary withdrawing her endorsement.
Democracy 1st
America 1st
President Hillary Rodham Clinton 1st
Henry Dubb,
I don’t need anyone to defend me from being a Republican. What on earth do you mean by that? RD just described where contributors to this site are coming from. Just because Markos is an ex Repub doesn’t mean that all the of people who have posted on his website are. I voted for George McGovern in 1972 and have been a Democrat ever since. In a couple of presidential elections, I did vote for a third party candidate, but I have never voted for a Republican
If Obamatrons want to believe that despite all that I’m a Republican or that I’m being influenced by Republicans, let them. I could not possibly care less what these people think about me. It will all come out in the wash in November anyway.
Some kind of JERK is right. I love your post. One of my favorite movies and you wrote this so well. Thanks!
We don’t need him either.
Truth be told: My father’s family tricked me into campaigning for Reagan in ‘84. I was 3. So, sadly, I do have a Republican history. I still blame my cute lil’ dimples for that epic landslide Reagan win!
He was selected not elected to be the nominee.
What do you think he is going to do next?
Here is how he got into the Senate in the first place.
Not elected but selected and paid for by who?
Ganster Town Thugs Probably !!!
Obama is being “sold” to us as another Reagan. Where Reagan did to come office with exec experience, the same cultish aura is surrounding Obama. No criticism, no skepticism, no questioning allowed. Reagan to me represented the same empty suit puppeteering we are witnessing once again.
Both are representative of the Corporate America we are presently living under. Each had his own corporate sponsors. “Morning in America” has been replaced by “hope and change” slogans that mean nothing. They are each creations of the media.
The new meme is “Obama only needs to win electoral votes.” In other words, the number of votes is not important, just where they are cast.
Maybe he’s planning a major relocation program for obamanauts. No, I’m not kidding. He wants to win the Chicago way.
@ Pat Johnson,
“Obama is being “sold” to us as another Reagan.”
This is the true nightmare. Not the dream of JFK, that was being fed to us by the marketing managers.
I wonder where this idea of breaking the Democratic party came from? Was it really Donna or a certain friend of her – starting with K, ending with “arl”?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/donna-ne-coke-andkarl/
P.S. Thanks for using the finniest scene ever as a template. For those who missed it – it’s from “The Jerk”
I am curious to discover the reason for such vitriolic hatred exhibited by members of her own party that has been evident throughout this campaign. What have they supposedly done to elicit such contempt?
I would expect as much from the GOP but coming from her own party? What is the underlying theme that have turned so many against both Clinton’s? It has to go further and deeper of purging the party of the 90’s that leads them practically en masse to support an empty suit.
The hatred and contempt is over the top.
Davidson,
I’m hoping a lot of the base will NOT come back. I don’t intend to. I had a long talk with my husband, Obama supporter, last night about my decision to vote down ticket this November. He was shocked…too bad. I don’t have a candidate in this race. He made the mistake of asking me why and I let him have the reader’s digest version with both barrels. Couldn’t get really down and dirty because my son was in the room.
When is comfort not very comforting? When, everyday, I become more and more comfortable (by leaps and bounds) with my decision to leave the Democratic party and back John McCain. Everything Obama does just pushes me further away.
I am disappointed that Al Gore endorsed Obama now..he could have waited until the ‘official’ coronation in Denver………not that I would think any better of him then either. Rejecting the popular vote winner should only work for Repugs. Shame on you Al. His endorsement doesn’t change my vote at all. Hillary or McCain!
Pat, I think they know that the Clintons don’t cowtow to the Dem elite. I think they wanted a patsy, and they feel they got it in Obama. They knew Clinton would be hard to beat, so they had to go nuclear and try to completely destroy her. When she didn’t just go “gently into that good night” like they hoped, they turned up the volume on the vitriol.
What they really hate is that Clinton unveiled what a nasty, anti-Democratic, empty suit Obama is. If she had gotten out early, they think they could have continued to sell him as “HopeyChangeGuy” through a pliant media.
They are really pissed now, because they can’t play UNITY, they have to play “get every AA to the poll” now. Oh and I didn’t forget getting dead people there too. Where is Carol?
..”all further communication between them should be Hillary withdrawing her endorsement”
I love that. And I’m still holding out for it. In the meantime, I am thoroughly enjoying looking my Democratic friends in the eye and telling them I am a patriot by not voting for Obama. I feel bullet- proof, so confident in doing the right thing.
This has been a nightmare. But as a person that has been dragged through flames before, I can feel the transformation on the other side. This primary has been THAT BAD, but my god, look at this movement now!
I made a homemade PUMA sticker for my car. I am so proud.
Thank you for reminding us Teresa: “Just remember: We all have the “Hillary factor” within us, the deep grit, tenacity, bulldogishness. Ignore the bad stuff.”
I have to remember that Hillary still has it too. I just can’t believe she has completely given up at this point. I wonder when we will hear from her again?
Joaniebone – You are a survivor and a fighter. Good for you. It’s going to be long, dragged out , messy battle. But people like you know that you have to tough it out. That’s the only choice.
PUMA!
Funny,but Barky always apperared somewhat NEEDY to me.
Have you seen the picture of Hillary on NY Magazine? She looks like a PUMA. I wish someone with video editing skills could morph her picture into a PUMA. She looks very cat like.
BB,
As you know, many HRC supporters received an email from her campaign yesterday thanking us and asking for money to support her campaign. Oddly, the message mentioned her “winning”. It was very surreal but I gave money just the same. I feel there may be more to this story.
Something tells me that Hillary will campaign for Obama just like she promised, but she’ll be somewhat less than convincing as an advocate.
Nothing anyone can point to as sabotage, but not her best efforts either.
Short mecahnical speeches where she says all the things she’s supposed to say.
Riverdaughter:
I have never posted here before, but been lurking for a while. I thoroughly enjoy your commentary.
I was a lifelong Dem until about 2 weeks ago when I ripped up my voters reg card and mailed it to Howard Dean, along with a copy of my new “unaffiliated” application.
I worked for most Dem presedential candidates since McGovern, and voted for all of them. But this year, it will be McCain.
I don’t recognize the Dem party anymore. Throwing away working class people? Pandering to evangelicals? Moving the DNC to Chicago?
But I don’t agree with one comment regarding Solis-Doyle. I don’t think it necessarily means Obama won’t ask Hillary to be his VP. It could mean the opposite. He will ask her knowing how uncomfortable and untenable it would be. She either turns it down and is labeled anti-party unity and is then blamed for his defeat. (which somehow she will be anyway) Or she accepts and spends 8 years attending state funerals in Africa. He effectively negates hers and Bill’s power structure.
I do not trust him.
As for Roe v. Wade. I was in many of those marches. But with the SC just giving Gitmo detainees legal rights, I’m pretty comfortable it will be just fine for four years. That decision alone should make that argument moot.
Morning, all.
BTW I actually do also still comment at dailykos where I am a member of the eco kossacks.
Years ago someone started this pre-publication notification site for environmental diaries outside of dailykos:
http://groups.google.com/group/dailykos-environmentalists
to ensure that we all got in together on time. That now serves to quarantine our diaries to a great extent from the rest of the dregs. There’s still good people reading those diaries. Although this morning I see one koolaid drinker
But now that there is less chance of getting decent eco policy passed, unless somehow at the convention the same idiots who carried Obama across the finishline come to their senses, and I do not see that happening, unless someone knows something I don’t……………..? ………which I still hope against hope for, so, I am starting to plan for 2012.
So I am moving in the direction of pushing for a better Senate majority to be ready for a real president to be able to get it done then. I think either way she should run again. And she needs a Senate majority to enact real Democratic policy.
Part of the problem is we really are divided between Brown States (oil, coal) and Green States that are clean energy developers like MA (MIT) CA, and beginning to be TX (Wind).
Even Democrats vote for dirty energy in the Brown States, because that’s where the funding comes from. Thats why Obama didn’t have to spend money to compete for votes in KY. He did not need voters. He just needed Superdelegate Byrd, so his pandering on coal was all he needed to do.
WOW ! YOU ALL ARE “SPOT-ON-TODAY!!
“chimera” I believe this is all to get rid of Bill thru Hillary! This is “pay-back” for loosing in 1994. “They should “look in the mirror(s)” to place the blame.
I thought it was just the republicans that did’nt “GET IT” as to why we love Bill Clinton. Now I see it’s his own party as well!
“K of NYC” George Soros is behind all of this!
Finally “ws” Obama can not “SPEECH” us into believing he has the experience to “LEAD THE FREE WORLD”; PERIOD!!
With me he had a “chance” to “EARN” my respect by
facing challenges “head-on” / he “BLEW IT”. Even with McCain he’s “acting” like the front-runner & avoiding “UN-SCRIPTED” moments.”SORRY-NO DEAL / I’M NOT BUYING”!!
Hillary gained respect “ACROSS THE BOARD”;by diving head 1st into seeking the nomination & life as a whole!!
I hope people start writing about this important comment (The Little LEFT Book) by j. Cifre on Savage Politics:
http://savagepolitics.com/
This is a long comment to read, but it has important information about what the power struggle within the Democratic party is about.
I personally believe that Obama and Company truly loathe Hillary Clinton for obvious reasons. She beat him in the popular vote. She is charismatic. She has the knowledge and experience he sorely lacks. Her supporters are loyal. She spelled out her positions while he did a “me too”. She will never be VP because she is far above him in qualifications. He needs to bask in his own light and sharing the stage, or even a campaign poster, does not go down well. Pragmatically he may need her, but he won’t use her.
I would be bowled over if the is VP. Don’t be surprised if chairs are flung during the convention. The party is split and spitting nails. All that proposed “unity” just ain’t gonna happen.
Thanks Arabella. We’re all fighters here-that’s why I feel so at home.
Silverlakemom, I agree-Obama seems needy to me too. Actually, he screams “personality disorder”. I really don’t throw this term around lightly, but I was married to a clinical narcissist, and Obama reminds me of him to the point of chills.
Last paragraph:
j cifre
We have to fight this hostile takeover by the Neolibs.
I am personally glad he won’t be calling on me and does not need me. I have a hard time relating to men that, “I am just not that into you,” and this saves me from having to tell the Change’ling, sorry, hon, but we just aren’t a match.
Elixer,
I didn’t know that. I just got the message with the link to pictures. Would you mind reproducing your e-mail here? I still haven’t looked at the photos. I don’t feel like crying yet.
Did everyone get the action alert from ClintonDems to show we are organized?
bb: I too have avoided the video. So sure it will make me cry again and I want to keep my anger level on high.
I talked to my mom on the phone last night. She is also a life-long Dem that has never voted Republican. I wouldn’t say she is a low-information voter. She reads articles and is net savy, but she is not as focused on it as we are. The last time I went to see her, about a month ago, I told her that I was going to vote McCain if the Democrats gave the nom to BO. She was very upset with me. Yesterday, she told me that she had decided to vote McCain. She said she had read more about Obama, and what she read, she didn’t like. She has a really bad feeling about him.
I think a lot of people are going to start to get the “really bad feeling”.
Also, she too brought up Roe V Wade. She used the expression red-herring and I thought about a commenter here who had said “Row is a red-herring”. I think it was prolix.
So I feel, if my mom is spontaneously coming up with some of the very things we have been discussing here, then I know many people around the country are too.
BB, I can’t bring myself to watch it.
Maybe they know how to rig the election? Wouldn’t be the first time! Though if you announce that you don’t need most people and are left with just a small group of supporters AND some how you pull of a win—-well, that might just raise a few flags!!! Then again—maybe not (we are living in crazy times!)
We are not alone. That is why I think Denver is going to be the unraveling of the Dem Party as we know it. I witnessed the Chicago Convention back in 1968 which was broadcast to the world. Not a pretty site.
And for those who did not, we lost that year too. The party was split and Nixon walked right in.
((What do you think he is?! Some kind of jerk or something?))
I think Obama is an immature, arrogant, egotist who believes the media hype. We have no idea where he will take the party – especially in terms of religion. It will be interesting to see if the wording in the platform changes and what direction it goes.
I voted for George Bush 41. He was a moderate. I liked Clinton because he took the party center left – exactly where most people stand. Who knows where O will take the party. I think he has hoodwinked a lot of liberals. I have no interest in the party moving center right.
And Gore coming out yesterday signals that their fundraising isn’t working. I got letters from Dean, Obama and an email from Gore yesterday. They are desperate.
We are supposed to fill Dean’s inbox with the following letter at the email address shown:
HowardDean@dnc.org
Howard Dean, Chairman
DNC
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington DC 20003
Dear Dr. Dean,
With all due respect, I write as a deeply devoted Democrat who can no longer support my own party’s leadership or vote for the party’s presidential nominee. I have written to you out of frustration and anger, and now would like an opportunity to explain the basis of that frustration and anger as briefly as I can.
When you became the chairman of the DNC, you called on the Democratic Party to engage in a 50-state strategy that entailed listening to the concerns of voters in all 50 states, representing the interests of voters in all 50 states, and making a real effort to win votes in all 50 states. Your call for a commitment to that goal was commendable.
And yet that is not what is happening. The Obama campaign and many of the Democratic Party’s leaders have rationalized positions that have blocked the realization of that very goal and its underlying principles.
During the nomination process, Senator Obama and his campaign did not support counting all the votes in Michigan and Florida, did not accept a compromise plan that would have allowed new primaries in those states, and completely ignored the voters in states like Kentucky and West Virginia.
At the same time, the DNC and other powerful committees of the party did not investigate evidence of fraud or alleged disenfranchisement of entire groups in states that used caucuses to choose their delegates, did not apportion Michigan’s delegates appropriately as called for by the party’s rules (indeed, the RBC took four delegates from one candidate and gave them to another), and did not protest the many instances of media bias against and belittling of Senator Hillary Clinton until after the part of the nomination process involving primaries and caucuses had been completed and after many automatic delegates endorsed Senator Obama based on the results of those primaries and caucuses.
Your call for a 50-states strategy was based on an important principle of the Democratic Party that would enable us to elect Democrats to positions of power at all levels of our government. My concern now stems from what has happened to the principles that form the basis of our processes for speaking to our leaders and, indeed, for choosing them.
In effect, the party’s nominee was selected and advanced by means of a series of inappropriate actions and inactions. As a result, many deeply devoted Democrats, who, like me, have proudly called ourselves Democrats over the years and who have supported Democratic candidates with our votes and donations, are greatly distressed by a process that has amounted to abandoning our party’s principles of full democratic participation and fair reflection.
I regret to inform you that I will protest the 2008 presidential election and that I will not support our party in the future unless its leaders return to our core principles by means of which our party can once again legitimately represent us.
Sincerely,
Clinton Democrat
http://clintondems.com
In coalition with http://www.justsaynodeal.com
It’s not just “moderate” Republicans with money. Apparently you can be a batshit crazy far right Conservative with connections to the Swift Boaters and still Obama will take your money! And the guy who was taken down by the swift boaters will STILL love you.
Why do Democrats self-hate?
After reading J. Cifre’s comment on Savage Politics, I realize that the Obamasphere are a bunch of chumps. They are being used. How kos et al. used to laugh at Bush voters being “fooled” and “voting against their own interests.”
Guess what? You are being fooled now. Look at the corporate interests supporting Obama.
We are being sold the 2008 edition of the Edsel.
This is great! Hubby and I joke about that scene all the time. Well-played.
Is it just me, or does this New Plutocratic Coalition of the Obama for America Party very closely resemble the old coalition we always have in losing elections?
A bunch of young kids who may or may not show up. (Yes, Virginia, we registered a lot of new voters in 2004.)
Wealthy liberals.
AA’s.
Don’t these folks usually vote Democratic? John Kerry got 93% of the AA vote, if I recall. There just ain’t much more to squeeze out of that rock.
And don’t believe the hype on women. We are NOT “coming to” Obama. It’s all just psy-ops to make us think we should “take one for the team.”
PUMA!
HELP WANTED:
I know a Clinton activist who is in talks with a NY Times reporter who is doing a piece on sexism in the campaign. Of course, clueless as they are, she needs examples, because she “doesn’t see it.” And no, it’s not Helen Keller. I have seen very clear listings of examples on this and other sites, but do not remember who/where. Searches have not helped, so if anyone has a list and/or can direct me, I’ll pass it on.
Thanks!
BO will always think Senator Clinton is looking over his shoulder and judging his antics. That should keep him jumpy.
Who is noticing BO’s new politics sure has a lot of old-style politicians–Kennedy, Carter, Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Daschle, Reid, Durbin, Pelosi?.
Sent my HowDea email
Carol
Thank you for posting that video. WE CHOOSE FREEDOM!
“Looks like the first wife standing outside of probate court.” (Mike Barnicle). That was sexist.
I don’t believe that the GOP or the neocons would ever lose on purpose just to spite McCain.
There are lots of reasons they would rather have McCain, like the SC and controlling the AG’s office (investigations)
But if they are going to lose anyway, they want a weak Dem in the WH.
That way 2 years from now they can try to regain Congress, and 4 years from now they can shoot for the WH again.
Don’t forget that Carter was elected on the heels of Watergate and he only lasted one term.
I admire Carter for what he’s done since he left office, but he wasn’t up to the job.
This comment on No Quarter made my day:
fif, interesting that NYtimes is doing a piece on something that they don’t see. I guess I know where their bias is going.
What is wrong with these journalists?
Since I’m not a woman, this may be off in left field, but could it be that some women journalists want to negate the concerns of sexism in America to ingratiate themselves to their males counterparts? Could all this be examples of women going along to get along? I mean, how do you think a female journalist is going to fare pitching a story about sexism to the likes of Matthews and Olbermann at MSNBC?
fif: Try Shakesville.
Melissa Mc has a list of over 100 separate sexist incidents/comments.
“I am disappointed that Al Gore endorsed Obama now..he could have waited until the ‘official’ coronation in Denver”
Al “Hollywood” Gore is a whore. Sorry, but he is. Gore is the poster boy for “counting every vote” and he’s endorsing someone who used the very same tactics that ended his own bid for the presidency. I’ve lost any respect I ever had for him.
myiq2xu – I agree that the Republicans don’t want to lose. But Cifre’s comment framed the Obama takeover in an interesting way.
I like the point he made that the Neocons were bad for the Repulican part and bad for the country. The Neolibs (Obama as hood ornament) would be bad for the Democratic Party and bad for the country.
They hate the Clintons because they are not total sell-outs and do believe in investing in the little people. The wealthy plutocrats like Pelosi and Kennedy view them as white trash who have no right to claim political power. They scorn them for their working class coalition and their working class roots. They act like the Clintons have polluted the political purity of the party. Like they have brought the trailer park to washington. Don’t forget, poor and working class whites are still free game to look down on. Political correctness hasn’t extended itself to include poor whites in appalachia!!! Those Limo Liberals need some one to scorn and turn their noses up at. AA’s and latinos are off the table!!! Whats left, poor whites and women!!!
myiq2xu, on June 17th, 2008 at 10:49 am Said:
fif: Try Shakesville.
Thanks!
Arabella: I think KOS’ interests are corporate interests. However, I think KOS’ minions have been fooled. It’s pretty funny to watch.
If Obama wins (and I think he will), it’s going to be fun to go over and watch the minions whine that he wasn’t what he said he’d be….when in fact, we all could see what he’d be, but they couldn’t.
I sent my em this morning, they also want emails again to the SD’s. Are we beating a dead horse?
If Obama had wanted Solis Doyle on board he could have named her to any number of different positions. That would have been slap enough. That he named her Chief of Staff to VP is a childish piece of nastiness. NOW he needs to have a named C of S to a VP that doesn’t exist? What might some future VP think of having his highest staff person preselected, and not by him/her? Someone with almost no national experience? This is not a signal. This is a tantrum. Party unity my big fat deadender ass.
The bigger question is: whatever happened to the NYT? This used to be the paper of record. They held back pertinent information about the war to appease the GOP during the 2004 election and again in 2006. They hire Bill Kristol. Their columnists are gossips, i.e., Collins, Dowd.
It seems as if they have become another wing of the GOP these days. The news is being filtered and we are just catching on. For any woman to question sexism being a major issue in this campaign is a lie. No matter where you stand politically it has been rampant with few speaking up against it.
I would rather be a “dead ender” than an appeasing hypocrite.
Could someone with admin privleges clean up a comment on the Monday Puma Power thread. It is at the end. A very offensive one. The trolls like to come and leave their mess on older threads, and then link to them on other blogs I think.
RD – Thank you for the Patti Solis Doyle background.
Henry Dubb – for the radio show link. Just Say No Deal was able to get their POV out and take it a little deeper on the air. Good.
WS – quoting ABC/WaPo: “Said O’s problem with some Clinton s
supporters is less based on demographics but more on wanting strength and experience in a President rather than Change.”
I don’t understand this whole phenomenon — Strength and experience look like Change to me. sigh
Pat Johnson:
Whatever it was, it happened in the 1990’s. I canceled my subscription in 1994 after the Republics came into power. There was a different Clinton smear on the NYT front page for six years, and no debunking was allowed.
Pretentious liberals, yes, thank you RD. I was looking for an apt phrase to describe the couple I sat next to flying into kool-aide country (SF) last night. I have concluded this much — to support Clinton, you had to be cerebral — logic, facts, and good deduction; or you had the right instincts like middle of America who rejected Obama in OH, WV, and other such swing states and opened up to her; or opening up to her by being broad minded about looking past her being just another Clinton — we don’t want to penalize/reward her for her marriage — looking at her as a true individual. The SF couple I met were so superficial — they repeated all the talking points which told me that they kept up with it but there was no originality — nothing seemed to be based on their own principles and convictions. He was an academic too. So education is not all it is cracked up to be in some instances.
Print media, like the Times, is struggling to survive since cable news and now the internet have taken over. Desperate to compete, they are racing to grab headlines and sensational storylines without traditional vetting and analysis. Some predict that major newspapers will be non-existent in 10 years. Sad to see. I am boycotting the Times now too. Dowd, Rich and Herbert are all critically ill with CDS.
The question for us now is whether it is more important to vote a democratic president (Obama) or to make sure he never gets to the whitehouse. If it is to keep Obama and his kind of democrat from permanently taking over the cemocratic party, then the answer is obvious: Vote for the one who can defeat him and that is only McCain. Staying at home, writing in Hillary or voting for a third party candidate will not do it.
I’ve seen several threads at other sites recently that all have the same theme:
They want to know what we want, what arguments would convince us to vote for The Precious. Or they talk about holding out for leverage.
I don’t speak for anyone but me, but if y’all want to do that, then go ahead.
I’m tired of fighting. But I’m not voting for Obama either.
No deals, no promises, no VP picks, no nothing.
NObama.
Pat—am sure there are ‘behind the scenes’ stuff we will never know (boy, I wish I did). But, what stands out for me (re: CDS by the insiders) is that Bill Clinton actually helped raise the middle class in this country, maybe not as much as possible-but, definitely more than the repubs ever did. And I think that he and Hillary are truly interested in lifting all boats. I once had a poly sci. prof tell me that no middle class=no democracy. Maybe not totally true but if you look at banana republics and the econ. disparities, there is some justification for that statement.
Guess I’m saying that–the ‘village’ can’t control the Clintons and maybe fears them. God forbid we have a nominee who actually tries to implement policies that help ordinary people. I hate this ‘elite’ stuff–it so smacks of a class society, unleveling the playing field.
riverdaughter, on June 17th, 2008 at 8:11 am Said:
….” George Soros has also given startup money to organizations we value, or did until the Dean machine and Obama started to feed them kool-aid.”….
IMO the start up money was given to the organizations in order to disrepute the kool-aide. Dean can’t make make anyone drink so deeply . Only an organizations life blood money gets people as kool-aid pickled as they have become. Again, just IMO
fif:There was a heartbreaking video montage of horrifying talking head commentary against Hillary. As a collection, it was so abusive that it was like watching a torture video. Did I get the link here or at Talkleft? Can’t remember. Does anyone?
Here was a proposal I sent to the DNC and many SDs several weeks back
A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO ARRIVE AT UNITY – fundamental fairness
1. Acknowledge that NEITHER CANDIDATE earned sufficient pledged delegates to win the nomination
2. The DNC to cease and desist their strong arm tactics on SDs
3. The DNC to confront insider groups who continue to use strong arm tactics on the SDs
4. The DNC and all Democratic leadership to immediately confront the misogyny allowed to run rampant in the MSM and left unconfronted by Democratic leadership
5. SEAT all FL delegates with their votes intact
6. Seat 1/2 of MI delegates THE WAY THEY VOTED…not giving away HRC delegates to Obama nor giving him UNCOMMITTEDs that he did not earn
7. Allow Hillary to make her case to the SDs at the convention
8. Allow Hillary to unsuspend her campaign and to run AGAINST John McCain much as Obama is doing
9. PLEASE FORM A TRULY NON-PARTISAN committee to review the 1000’s of allegations of intimidation and voter fraud at the Democratic caucuses to report to the convention
10. DNC to not hand over this party organization to the control of ANY candidate, it is unprecedented and it moves this organization from being an instrument of the people to a cult of personality
………………..
I believe we make a mistake in JUST attacking the Precious… even though our ire is well deserved. Better to make an argument for a return to fundamental fairness
kc:
I knew the wingers and the media hated the Clintons. That’s old news.
But it wasn’t until this year that I realized that the Democratic elites hated them too.
They never supported them, but they never tried to destroy them either, not until now.
found this at the Daily KOS today
highlighted by ABC:
One of the challenges for Obama in terms of likely voters is the fact that his support relies heavily on young adults, whose turnout on Election Day is far less reliable than their elders’.
Obama, more broadly, also faces significant unease with his resume, with just half of Americans, 50 percent, saying he’s experienced enough to serve as president. Forty-six percent think that’s not so, a large number to lose on the basic question of qualifications.
Also, in the two most reliable swing voter groups in presidential elections, Obama and McCain run evenly among independents, and McCain leads by 14 points among white Catholics. (In a shift, McCain’s doing better this month than last among women, particularly married white women, while Obama’s doing better among men.)Obama has work to do in his base, as well:
Among Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton for president, about one in four, 24 percent, prefer McCain over Obama, and 13 percent pick someone else or say they wouldn’t vote.
Those are essentially unchanged from an ABC/Post poll last month, before Clinton suspended her campaign and offered Obama a fulsome endorsement.
Linda:
The Dem establishment will go down in flames before they let Hillary be the nominee.
The fix is in. They diebolded the nomination.
I followed a link from a post yesterday where there was much hand-wringing about PUMA. The site was a former HRC supporter who is now obama…
I found his/her reasoning interesting, he/she has “swallowed his/her pride” and decided to support obama. Speaking for me only, any candidate that requires me to “swallow my pride” to support them sure as hell won’t get my support. There are only a few situations where dinner will consist of my *pride* and voting isn’t one of them!
I’m glad he doesn’t need us
but frankly, if anyone will be chowing on pride, it better be the candidate that wants my vote!
felizarte
“Vote for the one who can defeat him and that is only McCain. Staying at home, writing in Hillary or voting for a third party candidate will not do it.”
would you agree that having to vote for McCain, in order to defeat Obama, will be in the states that actually might be in play for him. Some of us live in very red states, others in very blue. There are probably only a dozen where a vote for McCain would have any real impact.
myiq – I completely agree with you on that assessment, I am SURE they won’t let Hillary be the nom.
Funny thing, I think Hillary can handle the Middle East, the economy, healthcare, jobs, etc… but I’m not sure if anyone could fix the fractured mess in the DNC and party support right now.
“As has been the case so far, the Michigan Republican Party was ready and waiting to pounce on Obama, complete with a Web video that highlights the Democrat’s decision to withdraw his name from the state’s Democratic primary ballot and his subsequent pledge not to campaign in the state during the primaries.”
I thought this section of the article was interesting. It is my understanding from the Clinton campaign that the reason BO took his name off the ballot in Michigan was not for the purpose of “playing by the rule” but he needed to “score points” with Iowa. He knew that he’d get trounced in MIchigan and he couldn’t afford that kind of loss early on. How sweetly he was rewarded for doing do, huh.
What happened to the NYT?
First, their subscription rate in NY City is way, way down.
Second, Murdoch’s News Corp. owns NY Post and we all know its bent and its the competitor over which the NYT loses sleep.
In essence, they are making a business decision to try and increase their circulation by trying to peel off readers of NY Post and their other competitors. Also, they made an editorial decision to try to assuage the “liberal” meme that has always plagued them.
Their circulation anemia is what has driven most of their changes IMO.
Personally I don’t have a problem with differing views, but what irks me is guilt driven over-compensation. Too many times as we have seen, if one Viagra is good, two would be better for those who see it as their mission to help history’s pendulum swing a little faster.
KendallJ, on June 17th, 2008 at 10:54 am Said:
Well said. That’s the heart of the matter. The elite want the working people to have nada. The Clintons insist
wp matter. In the elite’s opinion, only trailer trash would notice the struggles of the average people. All this time since ‘92 .the elite pretended they just hated the Clintons . But because of Hill’s amazing run, the elite’s fangs came out for us all and the truth of how
the egg heads hate the working class was revealed .
That can’t be fixed …there is nothing they can do to draw the curtain back .
jjmtacoma:
Don’t believe those conversion stories.
They were a regular blog feature back in January and February until Jmaes Wolcott wrote a post on them.
They are always someone you don’t know who, after careful thought and consideration, decided to support Obama.
They are astroturf stories generated by Axelrove’s trolls
You forgot HISPANICS. He doesn’t need hispanics. Hispanics are the fastest growing voting bloc and will overtake AAs in few years.
Remember when Michele Obama made a cutting comment that went something like: You can’t expect to clean the WH when you can’t clean your own house”? It was supposedly a slam against Hillary. But the same now can be said about the DNC. That place is full of vipers, snakes, two faced hypocrites. Someone needs to put in a call to Tom Delay who used to run a company that did just that. Our own house, the DNC, needs a thorough house cleaning. Michele was prescient even though her remarks were aimed at Hillary.
Wait — don’t forgot all the people who DON’T vote. You know, the ones who WOULD HAVE voted for him if they had voted. He needs them, too.
“myiq2xu, on June 17th, 2008 at 11:31 am Said:
jjmtacoma:
Don’t believe those conversion stories…..”
Agree. They often have the same concern troll feeling to them.
The Congressional Dems (not all of them but definitely the leadership) has been complicit in Bush’s crimes.
Even now they keep trying to give FISA away.
All those new Dem Congresscritters won in spite of the the party leaders, not because of them.
So they gain the majority, and they do nothing.
NOTHING.
And they are the ones pushing Obama. Does that give you a hint about the future if Obama wins?
Yeah Jules, maybe they can estimate the votes of people who might have voted in the GE too!
Annetoo:
Why would total strangers drop into a blog and do a long post like that?
It’s never a regular commenter.
Annetoo, on June 17th, 2008 at 11:29 am Said:
KendallJ, on June 17th, 2008 at 10:54 am Said:
Well said. That’s the heart of the matter. The elite want the working people to have nada. The Clintons insist
wp matter. In the elite’s opinion, only trailer trash would notice the struggles of the average people. All this time since ‘92 .the elite pretended they just hated the Clintons . But because of Hill’s amazing run, the elite’s fangs came out for us all and the truth of how
the egg heads hate the working class was revealed .
That can’t be fixed …there is nothing they can do to draw the curtain back
Annetwo, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Obama has the backing of all these congressional leaders who he apparently says in his campaign would be the targets of his “change” message. How so?
What has changed (besides the names) since 2006?
We’re still in Iraq, no impeachment, Bush’s nominees get approved, no vetos overrides, no significant legislation passed.
They keep saying Obama is better than McCain.
I don’t see a difference.
“I’ve got to say that ef you, we don’t need you” is quite a campaign strategy. I don’t believe I’ve seen that one before, at least in a Presidential Election.
I found the following at Reclusive Leftist in the Archimede’s Lever post and I really think that it’s the money quote this election cycle for the PUMA’s.
“If you want to pull the party–the major party that is closest to the way you’re thinking–to what you’re thinking, YOU MUST, YOU MUST show them that you’re capable of not voting for them. If you don’t show them you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn’t listen, or have to listen, to anything on the left while I was working in the Democratic Party, because the left had nowhere to go.” (Caps represent O’Donnell’s emphasis, where he raised his voice.)
http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh12262007.html
H/T to C D Ward post #28.
“There was a heartbreaking video montage of horrifying talking head commentary against Hillary. As a collection, it was so abusive that it was like watching a torture video. ”
Joaniebone,
Do you mean the “Mad as Hell/Bitch” video? When I first saw it I was horrified too. Fortunately the ending is great! I love this video!
You can find it here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM
myiq2xu -
That is exactly where I am. I knew that Bill and Hillary were the ultimate outsiders, but I really thought that their accomplishments would have to be acknowledged by the Dem elites.
Suddenly they realized that they could back a man who, with their collusion, could dislodge the Clintons from the Democratic Party. This is why they love Obama so much.
They don’t care about winning the Presidency – I’m sure that if we were flies on the wall, we’d hear Pelosi and Dean discussing Obama’s electoral weaknesses with much more honesty than they do in public.
All they care about is kicking the Clintons, and their declasse caring about working Americans and the Constitution, to the curb.
Will Obama be able to do that? Only time – and PUMA – will tell…but my money’s on Bill and Hill.
Rise, Hillary, Rise!
lisadawn82:
That means actually not voting Dem in November.
Not making threats and then caving in. Do that and they’ll never respect us.
I also wanted to say that I too have the same feelings described by Katiebird. I don’t think people understand that so many supporters of HC are really pained by this (far beyond the issue of HC not “winning” the primary )– I think many of us would love to be able to support our nominee. But — to state the obvious– there is a huge principle at stake here and a huge question mark to boot. But every time I try to talk myself through this –I end up disgusted again. A friend of mine just shared this same feeling with me yesterday.
One thing I have promised myself is that I will no longer, never again, ever, explain or defend my position or view on this to a BO supporter. THEY DON’T LISTEN. They pretend to listen and then tell you that you are wrong. I had one woman friend do this to me and then she blamed much of this Bill Clinton being a racist –one of the most absurd charges– I was so disgusted I told her that I couldn’t discuss this subject with her …ever.
She also said stupid things too — “Hillary didn’t lose because she’s a woman.” Well, how freaking condescending can you be! I hold four degrees I think I can analyze a situation as being more complex than that. These sorts of comments are as superficial and one-dimensional as their candidate.
How thoughtless they are — always having to jab a comment in about the Clintons. If they were SMART they’d say something like: “I hear you. I understand. I think HC would make a great president. May I tell you what I like about BO.”
It’s a might big bus …
and we’re under it …
that’s a mighty big bus …
yes, we’re under it …
Whoa, the mighty big bus …
and we’re under it ….
oh, lord, we’re under it …. (with apologies to the old spiritual … nah, not really)
Obama will be the nominee even if he is indicted in the Rezko case and his approval rating is lower than Dick Cheney’s.
They would rather lose with Obama than win with Hillary.
DNC: Diebold National Committee … that’s apt
I will NOT vote for Obama. point.blank.period. I’ve expressesd why I must vote my conscience before & will not bore anyone with my reasoning again — lets just say, imo, somethings are more important then whether you are a Republican or a Democrat — somethings are about whether you are an American — to me being an American means: condemning sexism (not profiting from it) & counting every vote (not stealing them). Al Gore embarrassed himself last night with his “elections matter” bs — what up, Al? Elections matter but primaries don’t? Sell it to the idiots who don’t remember 2000. Also, the new meme seems to be that there was NO sexism against Hillary and that I (and others like me) must be hysterical low-hanging fruit women who are imagining it. Well, la de da. My hysterical butt is voting for McCain.
Pat, just read your “Obama is the 2008 edition of the Edsel.” Dang, that is clever.
I remember when the Edsel came out, and that is an astute observation on your part.
#myiq2xu, on June 17th, 2008 at 11:45 am Said:
lisadawn82:
That means actually not voting Dem in November.
Not making threats and then caving in. Do that and they’ll never respect us.
Exactly. I’m going to do my part in pulling the lever. I’m not voting for BO. Who I am voting for is something still under consideration. I’ll have to see what the lay of the land is in November before I know what I’ll be doing.
myiq and annetoo: I have seen the concern trolls. This was a previously pro-Hillary blog – kind of like mydd sort of thing.
What I meant to point out (using that reference) was the VERY IDEA that voting for the democrat this year requires us to swallow our pride.
That just seems crazy – *we* aren’t going to get anything we want AND the nominee doesn’t HAVE to try to win us, *we* just need to swallow our pride and turn the other cheek for some more abuse.
He doesn’t need us, so we should just crawl back and vote for him so he won’t have to do anything for us anyway?
“PAT” I still can’t forgive MO for that nasty swip @ Hillary (this is Dem : Dem) & for the MSM applauding
it!
“2″ repeated points:
He can’t “SPEECH” us into believing he has enough experience. “We” are the ones that “did’nt drink the kool-aide”!
“He’s had his Dukakis / Dean moment”, in early March
when Rev.Wright surfaced. All here that campaigned for Hillary know the different “TONE” people had towards him after that!
The “ONLY” ones that “DON”T WANT TO REALIZE IT” are the power-hungry Democratic insiders!
“THERE’S NO MORE ROOM UNDER THE BUS”!!
on a lighter note – .. LoL ..
“Obama is a “Post Turtle”
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75
year old texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while
working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our PresidentThe old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know,hes a ‘post turtle’.’
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was. The old rancher said,
‘When you’re driving down a country road and you
come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’
The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s
face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he
didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up
there, and you just wonder what kind of a dang fool
put him up there to begin with.’”
Just read today’s Daily Howler. Bob Somerby again nails it for how the media operates, particularly NBC and MSNBC. The reference to “We Irish” is something that we Irish know all too well from our own 50’s Catholic School educations. Obedience. Never question. Those in charge are always right. The pope is infallible.
This indoctrination follows us for life. And the men that he pinpoints are in full regalia. A group study of sexism, ideology, theocracy, nationalism. It explains how some still live by these rules.
When you think with a politican’s brain, Pelosi is doing what her brain stem tells her. Win or lose she is coming out ahead. She believes that BZero will help build a larger House majority, therefore, if he wins she can call a larger part of the agenda. If he loses, she is still the titular head of the Dems and third in line for the Presidency. All the while, she is rid of Hillary and relegates her to 67th in Senate seniority.
Coward Dean’s acts are far more nefarious IMO. He is purging the unwashed and unenlightened from the party. He’s an ambulatory water purifier. The Clintons represent impurity in the staunch liberal ideals of the Stevenson wing of the party. Pres. Bill’s record of compromise and middle of the road is an anathema and Dean is dead set to put them in the filter.
Reid is in the canoe, but only picks up a paddle every now and then.
What is really crazy is that the ATM they’ve created through Moveon (more aptly Moveover) is bankrolling the oldest form of patriarch politics while espousing “change.”
what does this mean?
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Obama’s failure to get a “post-Clinton bump” is getting some coverage. Real Clear Politics has included a post from Politico on the lack of unity, (”Unity still out of reach” — sorry, I don’t know how to linke to the article itself), but the best part are the comments, which forcefully articulate why the DNC’s anticipated “unity” will not occur this time around. I know I sometimes wonder if Pumas are just a small dissident group — these comments indicate to me that this is likely to be a huge ground swell against Obama and the DNC’s candidate selection-not-election process.
I love that Obama is a mile deep in shit and all MSNBC can talk about is whether or not Mrs. McCain stole a freaking cookie recipe!
fif – youtube has multiple videos of all the crap that has been said. What, does this reporter live in a vacumn?
How do you institute “change” with the same old group still sitting in their familiar seats? You can harp away at “lobbyists” but it is the congressional representative who must agree to these offerings. No one is holding a gun to their heads:just waiving tickets to the nearest sports box or buying plane tickets for exotic vacations seems to be enough seduction for some.
Change won’t happen until the entire tier of “professional” politician is driven from office and replaced with reps who are there merely to serve their country, their constituents, their consciences. It won’t come because we “hope” it will happen.
“Change” under Pelosi and Reid has been a mirage. Hope and change under Obama, who must certainly be beholden to these people, is just another walk in the Mojave.
I cannot believe the extreme bias in the media (MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN etc.).
When Hillary slipped up about an experience 10 years ago in Bosnia it made every major news telecast over and over.
When BHO tells one of the biggest lies I have ever heard a Politician commit to the people celebrating the Historic Selma Bridge march. Where he says “I have a claim on this Historic Days because it was the fact that this march occurred that inspired my parents to marry and therefore little BHO was born, this don;t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma and this day”
This whopper of a lie was never even mentioned in one mainstream news report / show except Fox News.
Terry – even better. Remember he said his uncle liberated Auschwitz and then spent 6 months in the attic when he returned home because of depression? It was the Soviet Union. Also, in his book, he said his uncle never saw real combat, came home and went to Berkeley!
Did you hear Chris and Ko screaming about that?
NOT!
Obama enjoys a free ride on the Unity Pony! Any questions or criticisms are banned. Put on your blinders, suspend your disbelief, just get onboard. Just a reminder that you may end up under the bus for acts of resistance.
Pat Johnson:
I just read today’s installment of the Daily Howler.
I have to say, who are these guys at MessNBC eulogizing? The Pope or Jesus H. Christ himself? Wow!
Aren’t these guys using a sad event to propagate the greatness of the catholic faith?
this breaks its down .. sickening – is Elizabeth really going to straighten this out ?
Obama’s Inflated Health “Savings”
June 16, 2008
He claims that a shift to electronic medical records will help save families up to $2,500 a year in his first term. Independent experts say that’s wishful thinking.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_inflated_health_savings.html
That bus keeps running over us – hey you told us we’re older – show a little respect – it takes us longer to get up, dust ourselves off and continue our movement against your election – but as long as one little finger still works – I, for one, am voting McCain.
Yes, for the first time in my life I’m voting Republican – and I’m actually telling everyone why I’m doing so. I even went so far as the order a McCain visor in powder blue to match my Hillary visor so they can sit side by side in the back window of my car so there’s no question why I’m voting for McCain.
And thanks to all you wonderful people – I know I’m not alone or crazy – our country is too important not to fight for it’s future!
bostonboomer,
Ouch, I certainly did not mean it in the spirit you took it.
I certainly was not trying to defend your ‘republicanism” or lack there of. What I did find humorous, in the defense of “non Republicanism” via Kos, was in the 90’s he, Huffington and other branches of the netroots were firmly in the anti-Clinton Republican camp.
That’s all, nothing else. Sorry to have ruined your morning.
He doesn’t even know what a Mountain West liberal looks like. He didn’t meet any while he was here; mostly just college students who haven’t grown into their political identity yet, and some old hippie left overs. When it was announced what cities in Montana he was going to visit, I rolled my eyes thinking he’d picked the most welcoming, disguisingly liberal parts of Montana to visit, while HRC went to other places in addition. Places you might not expect a Democrat/liberal to be welcome.
Mountain West liberals my ass. Unless he means California transplants, in which case that’s a whole other ball of wax out this way.
Oh my God, that’s it! Here I’ve been, scratching my head trying to figure out what the hell is going on; why the vituperative gloating on the part of BO supporters, why the inexplicable silence of Howard and Co., why the complete vilification of the only 2-term elected Democratic President in 80 years, why the Hillary-bashing. Dear heaven-my party leaders don’t like me!! The NERVE of this working-class single mother to think that the party she’s voted for, volunteered for, and sent my few paltry extra dollars to, really gives a damn about me. Isn’t it funny? I’ve never thought of myself as “trailer trash”, working-class average in any way, and most CERTAINLY have not raised my daughter to think of herself that way, either. Wow-after the last half-year, my naivete has given way to the stunning realization that my fellow elitist pseudo- Democrats want nothing more than to purge me and consign me to the BACK OF THE BUS. Well, boys and girls, the back of the bus it will be for this woman. But I promise you, that’s where movements are REALLY started-in the back of the bus. Anyone care to join me?
To follow up on why the elites hate the working class, I’d venture to say that they are threatened by them.
Elites feel guilty about slavery because they have greatly benefited by it. But they won’t rap their heads around classim because it is too threatening. So they are the first ones to view poverty through a racial lense, without looking at it in its entirety. Although race is a contributing factor, it is not the whole picture by a long shot!! The truth is that gender and wealth of others are even bigger factors. It is the limo libs who benefitted from slavery the most, but they have also benefitted from classism in all of its forms.
The thing I hate about them is that they will bend over backwards to address racism, but not sexism or classism. My theory is that empowering a minority group is much less threatening to their position of wealth and power, than addressing the economic issues that would empower the masses.
Its the difference between charity and empowerment.
With charity you can feel good about yourself and still maintain your station without a threat. Empowerment means that you have to share power, and by definition, give up power in order to give others some. Its safer to give charity to an oppressed minority, rather than to empower the oppressed majority.
I believe that this is one reason why women are so marginalized, even more than AAs as we have seen this primary cycle. We are the oppressed majority and pose a much bigger threat to traditional power structures than do smaller minority groups. That’s why misogyny still remains on the table!!!!!
Threatened is right. There is power and strength in those of us that have had to fight and earn all that we’ve had. Entitlement is NOT our M.O.
Get out of the way, NEOLIBS. We’re a force to be reckoned with. You’re about to see how strong we are.
[...] Tuesday: He doesn’t need us (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) He doesn’t need Ohio and Florida. No, he doesn’t need us… And he doesn’t need women. No, he can do fine without us. All he needs is Pretentious Liberals, mountain west libertarians, some young college people, moderate Republicans with money and African Americans. And Evangelicals. But that’s all he needs! He doesn’t need anything else. [...]
All I know is…he’s gonna have to get a (much much much) bigger bus!!
Isn’t this an incredibly sharp analogy?
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year-old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.
The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘post turtle’.’
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.
The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’ The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of an idiot put him up there.
KendallJ & joaniebone….
BULLZZZZEYE!!!!
LOL an eighteen wheeler meybe
Irlandese –
What’s at the back of almost every bus you’ve ever seen? A big old door.
I can’t see voting for McCain, (philosophically speaking,) and even as a protest vote, it’ll get lost in the right-wing noise. Now, writing in HRC? That sends a message. Even a good solid bump up in the Green Party vote would be noticeable.
Alas, I’m not sure even that works. The party elite has gone to the corporate trough and will vote corporate interests until they’re rich and, well, we’re not.
The Greens have ties (however tenuous) to a lefty political tradition across the pond. I think that may be where I, personally, am heading. Hey, look at the up-side – I can vote for an AA and a woman and someone with legislative experience.
Irlandese –
What’s at the back of almost every bus you’ve ever seen? A big old door.
I can’t see voting for McCain, (philosophically speaking,) and even as a protest vote, it’ll get lost in the right-wing noise. Now, writing in HRC? That sends a message. Even a good solid bump up in the Green Party vote would be noticeable.
Alas, I’m not sure even that works. The party elite has gone to the corporate trough and will vote corporate interests until they’re rich and, well, we’re not.
The Greens have ties (however tenuous) to a lefty political tradition across the pond. I think that may be where I, personally, am heading. Hey, look at the up-side – I can vote for an AA and a woman and someone with legislative experience.
Basically the elites hate the working class because they don’t want to pay for anything. That’s it. The misogyny fangs come out so easily because there are women in the elite group and they want to keep them in their place . Racism doesn’t enter into it for them because for the most part economics keep that group at bay nicely as they take the high road .( Not many AA found in their neighborhoods and haunts .) They want AA and twp vining with each other to keep both sides busy as the elite watch from the sky box. IMO
riverdaughter,
I just had time to peek at your response to my early comment.
It must have sounded like I thought Patti Solis Doyle was a mole in Hillary’s camp. I am not certain about anything anymore. I was glad to hear of your experience in the PA campaign. and that you would not give much credence to a suggestion that PSD was anything other than in a situation she was not as well prepared to handle. (that and the other factors leading to the situation leading to the parting of the ways for PSD and HRC).
That said, I am still sad and angry about what has transpired, and that the hits (against Hillary) just keep coming.
fif, there was an article and accompaying YouTube video on HuffPo of all places.
Ignore the comments, though, they’re vile.
On second thought, might be more fuel for the fire.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/powerful-video-of-ugly-se_b_102310.html
leslie, I agree that Patti Solis Doyle was likely not a mole.
Axlerod/Plouffe ran HRC’s senate campaign according to their website, so it seems the connection goes back aways.
http://www.akpmedia.com/
This is weird.
I know when I checked the Axlerod/Plouffe website before it said they worked on HRC’s Senate campaign.
Now, their partial client list says Clinton for president.
On another page it says DSCC.
I wonder.
josgirl,
I saw on teevee last night that Axelrod had worked on Bill Clinton’s presidential campaign.
Okay, if they go back that far, what gives?
Doesn’t that seem just a little strange?
LeeW-yes, the big emergency exit at the back of the bus does NOT mean a vote for McCain from this woman. I’m talking something far more radical than a cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face vote for the other party. Writing in Hillary will do it for me, unless she/we choose to all go to a third party. Personally, I am done with the DNC and look forward to having them choke on their own vomitus this November, not to mention Howard and Co. attempting to explain all the BS surrounding the move to Chicago. Select/not elect was the last straw for me. Apparently, misogyny was only a symptom of a much bigger problem.
josgirl,
Axelrod is a very close ally of Mayor Daley who is a very big supporter of BO. And Axelrod’s alliance with Daley is longer lasting, closer, and stronger than his connection with Bill Clinton. (at least that’s how I read it)
write-in votes, are a waste of a vote. check your state regulations. in some states, the vote will go to the democratic candidate.
Leslie, I don’t doubt that for a minute.
I just wonder about all the “coincidences” and what knowledge A/P might have had that they used against HRC.
Sure, politics makes strange bedfellows and all that, but still…
birdgal-hmm, was not aware of that. Either way, I’m really on the fence about what to do come GE time. I’ve said before that I’m done with the DNC, but have LITERALLY gone to re-register as an unaffiliated, but I can’t do it. It’s as if the last gasps of my former Democratic Party is begging me not to forsake it. Is the answer a new third party? Writing in Hillary? For some, a vote for McCain is their answer. I just can’t go that route. I abstained in ‘88 because I couldn’t stomach Dukakis. Feeling even WORSE in ‘08.
Irlandese: Check with your state. Each state has different guidelines, and some require the candidate to have filed paperwork, which Hillary does not seem to be doing. Don’t waste your vote.
birdgal: will check/will NOT waste vote. Thanks.
[...] From an old movie, The Jerk. [...]
I have no problem voting for McCain. I have never voted republican before. My 90 year old grandmother is going to vote for McCain, and she has never voted republican in her life. My mother went republican after Carter, and we can all finally talk politics without fighting.
I just want to thank you all for providing these blogs and puma. I am not a politically active person, but I was repulsed by what happened to Hillary. My mother was sickened by it. My grandmother was enraged by what she saw.
None of us let politics run our lives, but we thought the world had evolved to the point where women were treated with respect when they deserved it. Many women I have talked to are disgusted by what the DNC and media did to Hillary. We are not fooled by Obama, and the outrage is growing everyday.
When Obama picks a VP who isn’t Hillary, you will see more support move to McCain. The MSM is already becoming aware that the women aren’t just women, and they aren’t going to be changing their minds.
What a disappointing post. In the actual article, its clear Obama’s *camp* is talking about alternative strategies to win the white house. And well they should be. They are not talking about ignoring anyone. The only person who used that language this election was Hillary Clinton, and she apologized and moved on.
Obama and Clinton have very similar policies and similar experience as elected officials. John McCain is a man who stands against the principles and positions the Democratic contenders both hold in common.
The 2008 election is either going to send us further into Bush/Cheney and now McCain’s authoritarian nightmare, or grant us much needed breathing room. We need to pull together and vote ourselves a step closer to a reasonable, compassionate world.
Sure, Obama has written off Ohio:
Raleigh, N.C. – Barack Obama kicks off the general election with a 50-39 lead over John
McCain in Ohio, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling.
It’s a significant change from PPP’s most recent previous Ohio survey, conducted in
March, which found Obama trailing McCain 49-41 during the heart of the Jeremiah
Wright controversy.
Obama leads by equal margins among men and women, and has a four point lead with
white voters while also holding a dominant 75-21 advantage with African Americans.
[...] but hardly indicative of a mass movement (for a further taste of this belief look here). Indeed Dickerson… … checked in with Irma recently. I’d [...]
One of the reasons given to Hillary for withdrawing was that Obama was drawing in the youth vote.
This was considered important because partisanship rarely changes.
If a person votes for a certain party in their first three major elections (during the youth vote years), 66 percent will always identify with that party and 56 percent will never cross party lines.
This is how the argument goes: “The Millennial generation – today’s young voters – are the largest generation in American history. Bigger even than the Baby Boomers. As they age into the electorate, they will be the bedrock of a future progressive majority – in Congress, in state houses, and in the White House. ”
However there is actually no reason for my generation (the McGovern babyboomers) not to re-examine their loyalties, in the light of a presumptive imprinting, or “knee-jerk reaction”, based on the first 3 elections they suffered through.
Women should start to ask themselves if their Party has been loyal to them, instead of being told that they should hold undying loyalty to their party.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/passingthrough/
also on Howard Dean’s youth vote:
http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/oops-didnt-realize-i-was-so-late-deans-dfa/#comment-664
You know what really annoys me -for the first time I spent money on a campaign. And now I find it was RIGGED. I’m sure Hillary feels even sorer….
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