Did you get the message, Barry? We have principles, issues, causes. We are not yielding one inch. You may have gotten to nomination with the help of your frat boys and your Villagers and your libertarians and your theoretical-liberals-as-long-as-we-don’t-have-to-live-in-the-same-neighborhood-*sniff* fauxgressives and ignorant young college students who don’t remember the nineties. But you aren’t going to win it unless you get down on your knees and convince *US* that you are willing to adopt her causes as your own.
She just told you that you will have to work hard for a change. She just told you to be inclusive. She just told you to accept responsibility.
Can you do it? The beginnings do not look auspicious. You are starting off in the hole and will need to dig your way out of it. It is going to be a long hard climb. You have a lot of apologies to make, fences to mend, voters to respect. You might want to go to Kentucky, Barry. Roll up your sleeves and see how the other half lives. You know, the poor white people who are struggling and have faced intimidation at the hands of wealthy and connected exploiters of natural resources and the lives of those who are dependent on them for jobs. You need to prostrate yourself before those worthy people and ask them to forgive you.
No time like the present, Barry. Better learn to hustle. You only have five months and time’s a-wastin’. We will be watching you. We will not let up our demands. And if you can’t close the deal with *US* by then, then you have no one to blame but yourself for losing the White House. Hillary Clinton kept her promise to us and you. It’s all on YOUR shoulders now. Now, better stop acting like an arrogant, entitled, disrespectful anointed one and start acting like a dedicated public servant.
We are PUMA’s, hear us roar.
Filed under: Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: Challenge to Barack Obama.
There is nothing this bum, affirmative action candidate can do to get my vote. He stole the nomination, like everything else in his miserable life he didn’t earn it, he was handed it by virtue of the fact that he is black. No one can prove otherwise.
Riverdaughter: Can we get a diary where we can consolidate our opinions on WHY THE PARTY is divided?
When Obama loses because he and Donna Brazille alienated millions of voters, I want the scapegoats to be THEM and not Hillary. I don’t want them to destroy our girl.
Maybe if the press sees picks up our diary, it might change the narrative to what OBAMA has to do, rather than what Hillary has to do. Hillary should have to do VERY LITTLE.
Anyway, just a request.
Well said RD…except that there is NOTHING BO can do to this voter to convince her to vote for him.
I will stay strong – all the way through the next four years if I have to.
Like Bush, Obama will NEVER appear on our TV sets until this long nightmare is ended.
Teresa,
What did you have in mind?
IMO- no matter what he says at this point going forward, is just words. I do not trust him and will not believe anything he says to woo us to him…
I just left Talkleft. Jeralyn made a very nice post about assimilating to the borg. It is ridiculous to think we should all just be a bunch of authoritarian followers after what Hillary and by conversion — we –went through.
You can’t forgive EVERYTHING.
Why is it up to Hillary to unite the party?
Can’t she just go home and nurse her wounds?
When is Obama going to work for anything?
A million woman March on Denver? What do you think?
http://hireheels.com/blog/2008/06/03/angry-white-woman-part-deux/
Teresa…Jeralyn just kind of told us to get lost, didn’t she?
Sha: It’s a challenge to Barry. I didn’t say he could achieve it. In fact, all evidence says to me that he can’t. He will not be able to close the deal. She is off the stage now, literally and figuratively. He’s got to do the heavy lifting. If the DNC wanted her to make it happen in November, then they should have picked her to lead us, not him.
Now it is his turn to face the music. She isn’t going to run interference for him anymore. She did what she had to do, what was required of him. She’s paid her debt to the party.
I have watched Obama enough. Five months will not change it.
I just see the air, in the O-balloon..No substance in hot air.
Don’t you think you should take Laura’s comment off? Pretty embarassing.
It doesn’t have to be a long diary. Just a post asking us the question, “why is the party divided?” and a request for deep thoughts on the subject, a culmination of our group minds..
I know we talk around the subject, and sometimes directly to the subject, but such a diary would put the FOCUS directly and unambiguously on the subject.
Maybe we could send this to Howard Dean, along with the promise that if they blame Hillary if Obama loses, they’re going to have a whole lot of folks to answer to.
I agree with everyone here. There’s NOTHING he-who-shall-not-be-named can say or do that will win my vote in November. He can’t close the deal with me, the deal’s off the table permanently. If by some miracle he makes it to the White House, it will be without my vote.
Shain: We don’t have to get lost as long as we pretend to enjoy battered wife syndrome.
Rumor has it that Obama might waltz out of Texas with 57% of the delegates to her 43%. I hope this is not true. She won Texas by 100,000 votes and if this is true I will not vote for ANY democratic in Texas – not down ticket, not any ticket.
Shainzona,
Just read Jeryln, yes she just told us to get lost!!! So, I just deleted TL from my blogs…
All the chattering men on the tv have missed a major point – she repeatedly threw it down on universal health care.
Obama is not for universal health care. I guess the fools don’t know that or understand what Hillary has just done.
http://blog.pumapac.org/
Go to this sight join and donate to the PUMA Pac. Let the DNC know that we are serious.
marjoleine: We don’t approve of racism but Laura is right that Obama has benefitted from a kind of affirmative action in the gender sense of the word. Perhaps Laura might have phrased it differently but I think she has a point. The DNC put its thumbs on the scale for Obama. He isn’t ready to do this and if he weren’t a man and if there weren’t a streak of “we must teach the country values” in the Democratic party, he wouldn’t be where he is. The RBC demonstrated that very clearly.
Ditto. My vote is also ‘off the table’. In fact, for the very first time, I may not be voting for President. I may choose ‘none of the above’.
I’m black, and I don’t have a problem with Laura’s comment. It’s the truth.
I’m surprise we are encouraging him to try and win us back when clearly he can’t.
If Obama were a woman, he would have never made it past the Biden phase of the election.
I peeked in at the orange place. Rec’d diaries pleading for Alegere and other Clinton bloggers to “COME HOME”. Kudos left and right for Hill, and my personal favorite “Rassmussen says UNITY NOW ACHIEVED!!!!”
Unbelievable.
Good grief!
I just got an email from Howard Dean asking for money. I’m running out of insults.
I have never understood why it has always been said that Obama is such a great orator and speaker. Hillary is so much better, because she always speaks from her heart and soul and belief in her convictions. Compared to this, Obama’s passion seems manufactured and shallow, because I don’t believe he believes even half of what he says. Keeping up with this month after month, day after day, not necessarily believing in what you say can be exhausting. That is why, as time went on Obama began to tire and Hillary became stronger.
Obama has never been put to the test before, and I think he is lacking. Time will tell and I don’t think it will be kind. September and October will be particularly ugly.
Count me out…NO OBAMA for me.
I am a long time Dem but McCain is the lesser of two evils and will get my vote.. He will only serve four years and will have a Dem House and Dem Senate. Obama will do more damage for many years.
Why do our elections always end up the lesser of two evils? How sad
If the ball’s in Obama’s court, he’s not starting off on the right foot:
An Unnecessary Controversy Over Add-Ons
by: David Mauro
Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 00:09 PM CDT
It has been a long tradition to make the preisdent of the AFL-CIO an add-on delegate. Texas has three add-on delegates and the Obama campaign has made it clear they intend to take all three of them, even though in other states they are typically apportioned by the primary results.
Becky Moeller, the Texas AFL-CIO president who, is at risk of not receiving an add-on spot because she personally supported Hillary Clinton in the primary.
Of course, regardless of who its president voted for, the AFL-CIO is a vital part of a winning Democratic coalition. It would be a shame if the Obama campaign refused to honor our friends in labor and make Moeller an add-on delegate.
So not only is the Obama campaign taking more than the standard share of add-on delegates but it is, at this moment, refusing to give the largest labor union a voice in the Texas delegation.
How can you claim to be ready to unite and then refuse to make the president of the AFL-CIO (who will play a huge role in an Obama victory this fall) an add-on delegate?
To the Obama campaign: forget the divisiveness of the last five months and do what’s right. Becky Moeller may not have supported Barack Obama in this primary, but she has been supporting Democrats and providing leadership in the labor movement for years.
As the president of the AFL-CIO and the voice of thousands of working Texans, she deserves to be named an add-on delegate. If the Obama campaign wishes to alienate the AFL-CIO and delay party unity, it will risk hurting our chances for victory in November.
Dee: I have asked over and over and over again on all sorts of blogs a question that has never been answered…so I think I know the answer”
“If Senator Clinton manages to get truly UHC legislation passed with a ‘President Obama’ sign it?”
I betcha he’d sign “present”.
PUMA Arizona: .what’s your name reference?
I’m a member of PUMA in Arizona, too.
Laura could have worded it differently, but I agree with what she said. Pretty much what Gerry Ferraro said and look at what happened to her. There is nothing wrong with pointing out someone with a thin resume and the backing of the party elders and media got the advantage and benefit. I’m one of those people that believe there is too much political correctness around.
Quite frankly, one of the reasons that Obama can’t bring me back is that I can’t stand listening to him. When he’s on the news, I immediately hit the mute button. If it’s more than a minute, I change the channel. If every news channel has him on, I change to the Simpsons or Animal Planet or a baseball game. Quite frankly, I no longer care what he says or does. His voice is like fingernails on a blackboard. The last 5 months have told me exactly who he is. Nothing he ever again says will change that. I despise him.
Laura, I don’t need to ‘go there’ to not support Obama. The sexism is enough to discredit him in my mind.
Well I think Hillary is right. This election is too important. Voting for McCain or staying home only punishes my kiddos – can’t do it. Thank you for your blog riverdaughter, goodbye.
I like him less than I like Bush. Bush’s damage has been done. Obama’s just getting started.
The question isn’t if Obama can keep his supporters. The question is if Obama can expand beyond his own McGovernite base. If Obama can’t expand, I expect his supporters to become enraged (more than usual).
Obama and his supporters in Congress are never going to get my vote. Ever. I will applaud loudly and with gusto when the US Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald files charges of corruption against Obama and when he goes down in flames in November. If a Youtube video of the fabled Michelle Obama “Whitey” rant ever gets released, I will email the link to everyone I know.
Katrina, rewarding Obama’s sexism by voting for him won’t do much for your kiddos either. They’ll be worse off, not better off, especially if any of those kiddos are girls!
Adios, Katrina!
Senator Obama constantly changes positions to pander for votes–e.g., his recent waffling on Jerusalem. He says whatever his audience or donors want to hear, and then walks away from that position a day later. For these reasons, I would not necessarily count on any promises made.
Obama’s primary campaign was heavily dependent on race-baiting and misogyny. There’s absolutely no reason to find any newly-voiced “commitment” to equal rights for women credible.
The last day of the DNC nominating convention is the 45th anniversary of MLK’s “I have a dream” speech. Does anybody really believe that the DNC fix for Obama hasn’t been in for many months? They will stop at nothing to nominate him, and they don’t care if they lose the general. Symbolism, haka, and kabuki theater politics is what the Democratic Party now stands for.
And that’s why I’m no longer a Democrat.
CognitiveDissonance– Ditto- I can’t stand him – I LOATHE him.
I never drank the kool-aid. I don’t find him handsome, charming, or any of the other adjectives thrown around about him. I actually find him downright ugly with his dumbo ears and weird shape face. As for his oratory – He can read a telepromter pretty well.
Re: Laura’s comment – she is right on ! It so angers me to be considered racist because the truth is stated. He HAS benefited from his race. We are not racist just because we consider him unqualified and incompetent, not to mention the dirty, sexist tactics he used and benefited from. Hillary had and continues to have the support of many AA who were behind her for what she stood for, not the color of her skin.
Hi everyone! I’m new. First, thanks for maintaining my sanity over the last couple of months that I’ve been lurking. Second, this is my first time commenting anywhere so please help me if I need it.
My 23 yr old nephew is a cop and a member of the GA National Guard. He spent the last two years working his way up to deputy and finally graduated from the police academy(got his own cop car now!)Even tho he’s single, he found a little house to buy and we gathered up all he would need to furnish it. The night before the closing he got a call from his commanding officer from the Nat Guard. Seems his unit is mobilizing in October to train and be ready to ship out to Iraq in February. Through all the goings on over the last couple of months he’s always been on my mind.I called him Thursday to hear his thoughts on Obama vs. McCain. He said “What happened to Hillary?” I told him about the RBC meeting and how they changed their own rules to SELECT our candidate for us. I said “So, I’m torn. I don’t know who I’m going to …” He cut me off in mid-sentence and said “I will NEVER vote for Barack Obama!”
I’m no longer torn. Now I know exactly what I have to do if Hillary is not our nominee. A 23 yr old nephew set this 47 yr old aunt free. By the way, he bought that little house and it’s adorable. Just like him. Take that-college boyz!
A song for the DNC:
Stayed in bed all morning just to pass the time
There’s something wrong here, there can be no denying
One of us is changing
Or maybe we just stopped trying
And it’s too late, baby, now it’s too late
Though we really did try to make it
Something inside has died
And I can’t hide and I just can’t fake it
It used to be so easy living here with you
You were light and breezy and I knew just what to do
Now you look so unhappy and you are a fool
And it’s too late, baby, now it’s too late
Though we really did try to make it
Something inside has died
And I can’t hide and I just can’t fake it
There’ll be good times again for me and you
But we just can’t stay together, don’t you feel it, too
Still I’m glad for what we had and how I once loved you
But it’s too late, baby, now it’s too late
Though we really did try to make it
Something inside has died and I can’t hide
And I just can’t fake it
Riverdaughter, what a leader you are! Your writing is so inspiring. I stand with you and the other PUMS without regret. I don’t believe that our actions will elect McCain. the plain truth isa that Obama is an unelectable democrat. If we all got behind him now (like we’ve been tricked into doing for the losers they’ve picked before), we would still have president McCain. i am sparing my dignity this time. It’s statement time.
I love the idea of a million women march in Denver. I want to be big loud and visible.
PUMA AND PROUD!
PUMA and proud and will NEVER vote Obama- no matter who endorses him or how pretty his speeches are.
I am an AA Generation-X female and I wept when I listened to Madame Clinton’s speech today. She was MAGNIFICENT!!!!!! She is some kinda woman. Whew! To be able to come out on stage and show such Grace after such a grueling campaign AND when so many have been against her is just awe inspiring.
(((waves))) to GAgal: So very glad you could join us.
Wishing your nephew a safe and productive journey, along with his unit and the entire Armed Forces.
Btw – congrats to him, on becoming a new home owner.
A YouTube of my Carole King song and YES, she’s a Hillary supporter:
Hillary cannot unite the party that has disowned her. Hillary is remarkable and I will supporter her in any path she decides, but the DNC made its choice and I’ve been told it does not need to rely on my vote. I can live with that. I’m an independent voter as of 6/4 when I mailed my new voter registration card. It’s not so much about Barry, but about the DNC. I don’t want to support the DNC or its candidates because they have a “D” attached to their names. From now on, each candidate will have to work for my vote, and the way I see it, I lean more towards the Green than any other party.
Teresa,
I adore Carole King (Goffen-King). She wrote most of the top 40 hits I loved as a kid and then she made terrific music of her own. I’m so glad to hear she supports Hillary.
BB: I know. I love her too
Here’s another anti-DNC anthem from another Hillary supporter, Carly Simon. A parapharase-quote from Carly, “should I call you Mrs. President or Madame President”. Someday we’ll call her one or the other of those things.
And now an anthem for Hillary (from me, and probaby many of us):
Thank you, edwardian.
The song I’ve been humming all week is The Doobie Brothers’ Takin’ it to the Streets. The one on YT (from 1979) has James Taylor (listen to him “sing” Thank ya John), Carly Simon in jumpsuit w/ tambourine, Jackson Browne “Let’s go!” and others. Sorry I’m not computer savvy enough to provide the link. It’ priceless. I was 19 in 1979. If I had been at that concert, I’d of thought I’d died and gone to heaven!
marjoleine, what I said was the truth even if it isn’t politically correct. Even if it offends the fragile sensibilities of weaklings like you. We know he didn’t earn this nomination. IT WAS STOLEN. This is the problem with our side, you are more interested in being miss congeniality. I will continue to tell it like it is.
Well charles, just because the world doesn’t recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital doesn’t make it right. After all, the arab world controls the oil that most of the world depends on. Don’t think for one minute that anything other than nations self-enlightened interest in currying favor with the Arab world motivates their rejecting Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Jerusalem IS Israel’s capital. It shall remain Israel’s undivided capital.
Of course I knew Obama was full of it when he made that declaration to AIPAC.
Yes the election is important Katrina, and this nation is too important to leave in the hands of a lightweight like obama. McCain all the way!
She said what she had to say but there is no way I will ever vote for Obama. He did not win. She is the people’s candidate by the people and for the people. It’s pay back time and it feels good.
Add me to the column of ardent dislikers of Obama.
I don’t care for his appearance, his voice, his mannerisms, his uh uh um speech pattern, his smug demeanor, but mostly I do not care for the ridiculous gap between his speech and his actions.
He is the dirtiest and most hypocritical politician…it’s just astounding that he has fooled anyone.
It’s one thing to have a mild opinion of a candidate–a person with a neither here nor there attitude can be swayed, but when one’s feelings, beliefs, and very core sense of a candidate equal despising him…
Then there is no looking back.
I could not, and will not vote for Obama.
Work hard? Not even work does Barry know how to do. While HRC was giving her speech he –who had order a new set of golf clubs on Tuesday — was seen leaving with them to go play.
You know, presidents play golf (not basketball) … He continues the
image campaign brought to you by Axelrat & the DNC.
I am a strong supporter of Hillary. I made calls for her, donated, and blogged. I am still sad and shocked with what happened to her- how she was treated by the DNC, MSM, and so called “neutral Democrat pundits”.
I am super sad today.
I will not support the Jr. Senator from Illinois. I remember hearing him speak at the 2004 Dem Convention and thought he had promise. When he started getting attention in this primary, I researched his voting record or lack thereof, etc. going back to his time in Illinois politics. I wanted to like him, But I didn’t like what I found. Also did not like the way he ran his campaign- like a cult- or like selling a product. The O Supporters remind me of moonies- sorry but that’s what it seems like. Not healthy. Something not right with giving your support away and not really knowing your candidate’s political history.
So, right now my plan is to write her name in.
I feel hope returning, and I am looking forward to going to Denver in the million women’s march! I want to fight for her! I am not going to vote for Obama EVER. As much as I couldn’t stand Bush, Obama would be even worse, if that’s possible. Knowing the way he picks friends and “spiritual advisors” should make anyone hesitant. And having the “party elders,” –most of whom have proven their bad judgment by supporting him–does not make me more comfortable.
Hillary to Denver=Victorious November
This is I comment I posted earlier today at TL:
“Upstream a bit someone asked the question (5.00 / 4) (#210)
by FemB4dem on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 02:08:14 PM EST
what would I do if Hillary came to my house and asked me personally to support Obama? It’s basically what she did in her speech today, which I listened to with tears in my eyes. I now know the answer: I would hug her, and thank her, but firmly say “no.” Here’s why: the misogyny that has so stunned us all, that Jeralyn and BTD have blogged so eloquently about, did not come out of no where. It was waiting, buried not very deeply, in the hearts and minds of the Tweetys, Olbermanns, Caffertys, etc., of the media, in the hearts and mind of the vicious Obama supporters, and, IMO, in the heart and mind of a certain green, rookie one-term Senator who felt it perfectly appropriate to challenge his senior, more qualified female colleague for a job everyone with half a brain cell knows should be hers. Does anyone really think that if Al Gore had thrown his hat in the ring Obama would have too, even if (perhaps especially if) Hillary had not run? Unless you can answer that question fairly in your heart that, yes, he would have run in any event, I submit that you cannot (at least women cannot) stay honest and true to yourself and support him. It is truly that simple for me.
Moreover, what makes us think this misogyny in the media and our party will go away if we do nothing, sit back and say, “sure sweetie, we’ll vote for you.” That overt sexism and deeply held misogyny will simply recede back into the recesses of Olbermann’s rotten heart, waiting to surface in 2012 in its most vicious of forms against Hillary, should she run again. But it will also wait, again to surface against any woman who dares to step out of her place. It won’t need to be so vicious against this hypothetical woman, whoever she may be, instead it will be a more gentle form along these lines: “well, if Hillary was rejected by the American people, what makes you think you will be acceptable as CIC (or whatever)?” No woman will ever again (at least not in my lifetime) have the unique set of talents, experience and fortitude that allowed Hillary to get this close. The women to follow won’t be savaged — they won’t need to be — they’ll be scoffed at.
Women, if we are going to make a stand to save our democratic party, it must be now. We must reject the candidate the DNC foisted upon us, and do it with the same vigor and determination Hillary has shown. If we do not, if we just return to that metaphorical coffee pot and ask Obama: “sugar or cream?,” we will have lost our voice for generations, just as our foremothers did in 1872 when they did not insist, loudly and firmly: “yes, absolutely, the right to vote for black men, but the right to vote for us too.”
Susan B. Anthony said it well when she asked “how can any woman support a party that does not support her self?” Indeed. Those words resonate today just as strongly. We must fix our party now by rejecting it’s current guise or we will be stuck at the back of that ever more crowded bottom of the bus for generations to come.
I have truly enjoyed lurking here for many months, and commenting these past few days. Thanks you Jeralyn for a marvelous site, and thank you, too, BTD, for being the sole comprehensible Obama supporter I have heard. I will stay and participate as this turns into a democratic party blog unless asked to leave, which then I will do with what I can only hope will approach even a fraction of the grace my Hillary showed today.
See you at the Confluence (River daughter’s site) and at PUMA PAC. This fight is so far beyond Hillary and Barack now;
for our daughters and nieces, for their daughters and nieces, we cannot let it die. Thank you for listening.”
On to Denver!!!
There is simply NOTHING, RD, that NObama can do to get my vote! NOTHING! No amount of begging!
PUMA
Reason,
We aren’t here to answer your questions. Try elsewhere.
Its too late DNC, Dean, Nancy and Donna. Really, I saw this coming late Jan. The reason why we had the chorus of “Clinton should quit” was because there was a real possibility that she would end the Dem primary with more votes than “Messiah”.
So, the frat boys had over-rule the will the Dem. voters etc.. thinking that we will all “get over it” NOt. I am middle to conservative dem. and would in no way vote for “Messiah Obama”.
If want unity, they should remove the face of anti-Clinton. Dean, Donna and Nancy need to RESIGN.
Hi RD & Co. I came across something I want you all to read, from Corrente (that lambert!) they are really cool over there and funny as hell too– but this one is by Iphie
http://correntewire.com/scenes_from_hillarys_rally_this_evening
RD — some puma things are sacred, some should be told, no? They spin from the blogs to make their next ads. He is lost without the feminist vote and he knows it— I saw a google thing on the PUMAS and it was a desperate attempt to scream for help against pumadanger. Damn straight. You have never seen the punk rock nation kiddos—we know exactly who we are…
Rd–I’m going to be wrapping posts like yesterday and today into my thoughts at times, okay?
As a therapist there are a few dangerous things afoot in the collective psyche at the mo. I’ll talk about them in my letters to McCain— our little fireside chats….
I thought you all would find this interesting–apparently the party split before in Teddy Rooseveldts time. You are going to be very suprised at who was behind it…Progressive Feminists! from the early 1900’s—– I am so serious—look at this!
http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm
Teddy is his fav president. I do believe his was an environmentalist and Green–I’ll be finding out for all of you, and I plan to speak about abortion because of somebody’s stance—RD you have never seen the inhumanity of what the far left wants. Infanticide? Oh my god. In the seventies, if you missed a period and were a week late or two–an abortion was done. Most of our birth control relied on rubbers (yeah right) or diaphrams or finally the sponge, or the old pull out method (yeah right)—-on his stance on abortion alone I wouldn’t support him, RD. It’s sick. Also, I think the Supreme Court Justices are about to shift? Hillary should be a part of that, asap, and return the Roe v Wade to how it started once upon a time. My god. I AM going to talk about all these things RD and it is your courage over here as a PUMA that is helping me focus down.
McCain (before becoming a Baptist) was pro-choice–I think he was in 2000? But I will research it. He needs to understand what Feminism meant once. It was to wear “pants” and to be able to get birth control. I never took the Pill, didn’t want to. That morning after Pill would be the best solution. They have that now. I am going to talk about these things for a younger generation that needs knowledge. Only women have this knowledge, don’t we? In my stories I often made them morality tales? RD. What has happened to the world while we weren’t looking? The Pumas need a rebirth, NOW.
xxoo!
me & fello pumafem,
ps: rent the movie “sisterhood of the traveling pants”
that’s who we are…I was the girl who went to Greece, in that movie. My best friend was the blonde one.
signing off as my grown up punk rock self.
Sonya said: “Good grief!
I just got an email from Howard Dean asking for money. I’m running out of insults.”
Funny!
I just received the same. Responded that I want to be removed from their mailing list, explained the reasons I am no longer a registered Democrat after 40 years, included my thoughts about him, the DNC, Donna Brazille, et al.
Then I told him to go iron his shirt, sweetie.
Saw this in the comments on a post at Taylor Marsh (yeah, I go there to see how bad it has gotten )…still a few of the old gang there but not many.
Anyway, this guy posed this reply. He had worked in one of the NC offices for Hillary:
If anyone thinks the Clinton Nation is going to buy in and roll over I would suggest going to Hillaryclinton.com and read the blog.
We will not be bought. We will not be sold. We will not be bargained with. We will not be wooed.
And guess what? Senator Clinton knows it.
We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
Let’s explore this possibility of a Hillary Clinton run as an
independent candidate this year. It may not be as outlandish as first
thought by most. Look at the electoral map. She would have a very good
chance of winning or at the least being extremely competitive in NY,
CA, MA, NJ, FL, PA, WV (and if she took General Clark as a running
mate) AR. That is 172 electoral votes that she could legitimately pick
up. That is more than 1/3 of all total electoral votes and 64% of the
total needed to win the presidency. In this scenario she would insure
that neither McCain or Obama win the presidency. More than likely she
would be the electoral vote leader and Congress would have to settle
the presidency. If she was the electoral leader and not chosen, that
would be the end of the two-party stranglehold on power. If she was
chosen, it would still be a huge nail in the two-party coffin.
The more we consider this, the more we are in favor of her making an
independent run!
Hillary Clinton is our candidate and she can win without the
Democratic Party. Can the Democratic Party win without her? Help make
a statement to the DNC
Petition Hillary to run as an Independent for President. Let’s show
Hillary that we support her all the way!
5 Million Signatures by August 15th
Presidential campaigns aren’t just about the candidate. Independent candidates have no institutional support, so need a source of cash. If Hillary were wealthy along the lines of a Michael Bloomberg, or if she had such a person willing to bankroll her, I’d say go for it. Otherwise, and her funding deficit to Obama shows clearly it is otherwise, she would have no chance. Sad, but there it is.
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[...] Well, Senator Obama, the ball is in your court now (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) Did you get the message, Barry? We have principles, issues, causes. We are not yielding one inch. You may have gotten to nomination with the help of your frat boys and your Villagers and your libertarians and your theoretical-liberals-as-long-as-we-don’t-have-to-live-in-the-same-neighborhood-*sniff* fauxgressives and ignorant young college students who don’t remember the nineties. But you aren’t going to win it unless you get down on your knees and convince *US* that you are willing to adopt her causes as your own. She just told you that you will have to work hard for a change. She just told you to be inclusive. She just told you to accept responsibility. Can you do it? [...]