Monday: PUMA Power

The Party Unity My Ass un-Party (PUMA) was born yesterday. We already have many new members. But, some of you may ask, what does it mean? How can we make a difference? Before I get to that, I’d like to refer you to one of Anglachel’s latest posts, The Idea of Obama. I think that what Anglachel is describing is a kind of “puppy love” or an infatuation. The situation we have here is precisely the reason why superdelegates were created in the first place. There is a unacknowledged immaturity about the Obama faction that many parents among us will recognize. Here’s the money quote:

The deep problem of Obama’s campaign is that he and his supporters do not want to face the political reality of their own conflicting desires. They both want to sweep to victory in November and they want to purge the party of anything connected to the Clintons, which includes all of the voting contituencies represented by that amazing and talented duo. The failure of the Unity Pony stems directly from that fantasy of majority status without majority support and the political work and compromises that go with cultivating that support. Thus, their model for unity is unanimity through elimination, purging the ranks of the unclean and unbelievers.

They will not acknowledge that Hilalry is a legitimate political actor and reduce her to an inhuman monster and enemy. They will not acknowledge that her supporters have sound, rational reasons for our support, and reduce us to mindless fools and spoils of war. They shift blame for their own choices and actions onto us and expect that we will cater to their whims.

Like adolescents, they insist on making their own decisions and yet expect us to get them out of a jam later. They hate us because of who we are and yet they need us in order for them to get what they want. And the superdelegates are the too permissive parents who are giving in to them because they can’t handle the screaming and guilt trips that will follow if they don’t.

This is where we come in, PUMAs. We will fill the role that the superdelegates have abrogated. It is our job to say “no”. We do not want to lose in 2008. We do not want another four years of Republican rule. We want 4 years of intelligence, competence and courage in a time of what will surely be a very critical time in our nation’s history. Terrorism is still out there. There are two wars going on. Our military is stretched so thinly that our national security is compromised. We have an energy crisis and many families are hurting. Our financial institutions got themselves over their heads. And there is a serious environmental catastrophe at hand in global warming.

Now is not the time to put a love object in office, a weakling who will be entirely dependent on his power elite enablers. Or worse, he may be a dissembler who has barely disguised his contempt for the voters.

There will be a lot of calls for “Unity!”. But let us acknowledge what this really is. “Unity” is a weapon that the party is going to use against us. It is the emotional blackmail of the teenager. “If you don’t let me have my way, it will be all YOUR fault if something bad happens!” “If you don’t get in line, it will be YOUR fault if we lose.”

Don’t give in to this. This is where a parent’s mettle is tested. When the stakes are not high, like staying up too late on a school night, we can afford to let them live with the consequences of their actions. When the situation is critical, we have to be firm. We have to give them choices. We have to tell them that we will not be willing participants in their destructive behavior. We have to tell them that the consequences of their behavior will fall on *their* heads. We have to take away the car keys. Not ground them. Just not aid them in doing what they want. We have to exert our authority.

That goes for superdelegates as well who are failing in their responsibilities. We will hold them accountable as well. If they allow these children to run the house, they will have to live with the consequences, not us.

Barack Obama is a ruthless campaigner who has brought out the worst in the political system but no matter how far he has come, he is a failure. He has failed to live up to core Democratic principles, He has failed to respect the voters. He has failed to disguise his contempt for average, hard working American men and women. And because he has failed in so many ways to appeal to the electorate at large, he will fail the ultimate contest. He will be a failed presidential candidate. We do not wish to be associated with failure while there is still time and an opportunity to avoid it.

We will not be blackmailed into party unity in order to indulge irresponsible people in their fantasies. Our votes belong to us and we will do with them what we feel is best for us, the party and the country.

The action plan for PUMAs is:

1.) Dissociate yourself from the party. Tell them you will not be a party to its self destructive behavior.

2.) Reflect on your values. Read the credo at the top of this site and create at better one. Keep the language general and inclusive. Concentrate on universal truths and beliefs. Avoid wordsmithing.

3.) Stick together. We are powerful as a unit if we do not fall victim to the psychological warfare that is about to be directed at us. Turn off the media. Avoid conversations with trolls. Stand firm and do not yield.

4.) Remember that there is a better alternative. Hillary Clinton is the strongest candidate for the party and the nation. She has a lot of support out there. The nation will rally around her if we let them know we are not giving in. We must not let her concede one inch. Stand firm. Send her your good thoughts. Send her money. Do not give up.

5.) Spread the word.

740 Responses

  1. Okay, PUMA ready, set….hold on….can we please make calls to voters in Montana and South Dakota today and tomorrow. Tuesday night…GO!!!!!!!

  2. Father Pfelger: “America is the Greatest Sin Against God”

    Oh … My … God

  3. WS: ? Where?

  4. 4) I sent Hillary $100 last night.

    I have to work on (5) – Spreading the Word. To Friends, Family and Super Delegates.

  5. kbird: shame on me! ;)

  6. Upstate: Here I think.

  7. Does anyone know if there is anyway to find out how much I’ve contributed? I’m sure I’m no where near maxed out. But, I’m curious about how much it’s added up to.

  8. Thanks kbird! I alos found it at TMarsh soon after I asked. ummmmhhhhh….denounce, reject, denounce, reject. disappointed, change…..hope…..

  9. I need to throw this out there. The pink puma is kinda looking like the PInk Panther, Jacques Clouseau like. White Pumas are really rare….. special

  10. On Saturday, Democracy died. On Sunday, the PUMA un-party was born. I signed up. After many years as a Democrat, I am now officially an Independent. I used to think Democrats were better than Republicans. No longer.

    Republicans may steal votes from Democrats, but Democrats not only steal votes and delegates from other Democrats–they assign votes to individuals who weren’t even on the ballot. A small group of people, calling themselves Democrats, and even Americans, have decided how people would have voted and should have voted.

    That’s why I won’t have any problem voting for McCain if Hillary is not on the ballot, assuming that someone even cares anymore about counting my vote.

  11. Mention of the PUMAs is getting recognition on other sites as well.

  12. PUMAs unite!

    I will not be a member of the New Plutocratic Party a la Chris Bowers. Creative Class, My Ass!!!

    Also – have you all heard the snide remarks the Obama blogboyz are making about how PR doesn’t vote in the GE? Do they even realize that Puerto Ricans, like, live in the States, like?

    Hello, I live in Manhattan. The Puerto Rican Day Parade is the biggest “ethnic” parade we have. The St. Patty’s Day Parade doesn’t even come close.

  13. Just saw this Susan B. Anthony quote referred to on Talk Left.

    I don’t think it’s just women, either, but it’s a good reason to join PUMA. :-)

  14. Excellent. I love the Plan. We cannot afford the luxury of a negative thought.

    GO PUMA

  15. Oh, for the love god,

    P arty
    U nity
    M y
    A ss.

    I say that everytime I dare to watch the news. Rigged elections really are a waste of my time.

  16. Its assured that the GOP will splice Wright and Pfelger’s America comments together (should he be the nominee) and then say that he belonged to the church for 20 years. I wonder what the tagline will be, maybe something like “Who is the Real Barack Obama?” or “Can you Trust Obama to be President?”

    Go PUMA’s!

  17. Sign me up for the PUMA Party!

  18. With that attitude you are going to ruin Obama’s chances, you…you…”evilest” inconsequential voters.

  19. I have one set of PUMA shoes already. I ordered another pair from Zappos and a Lacoste pair. Are you sure we can’t be the Alligators??? Then we would have shirts, too. :)

  20. I’m in, just sent her money, will make calls tonight and am presently checking to see if an affiliation is even on SC’s registration card.

  21. You forgot the most important step:

    *Vote for McCain.

    The Democratic Party needs to hear, loud and clear, that, as they are so famously fond of reminding us, “you must follow the rules” or bad things will happen. They broke the rules. They rigged an election. They conspired in vote theft and election fraud. They broke the rules, and the only thing they understand is losing (they ought to, they have had enough practice). The party needs to feel a crushing blow of defeat before it wises up. So be it. Vote for McCain and ensure the irrelevancy of these fools forever.

    THis is the thing they forget. If HRC loses the nom or even the GE, she can always come back. Any time she likes. If BO loses, he is done in politics forever. The shiny new toy will be broken and it can’t be fixed, and the children will run off to their corners and cry and clutch their bankies while we get on with the work of rebuilding our country.

    Vote McCain or BO wins, and that is not a good result for anybody.

  22. I have just had the pleasure of letting the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee exactly how I felt.

    About a week ago I received a letter from DSCC regarding the upcoming campaigns and of course it was asking for money. I sent it back with a note that I was an unhappy Hillary supporter and would not be contributing. About 15 minutes ago a representative from the DSCC called but I never gave the woman a chance to speak. As soon as she identified herself as being from the DSCC I told her “Absolutely not. I am a disaffected Hillary voter and if Barack Obama gets the nomination I will be leaving the party. Please don’t call again.” And then I hung up.

    I think all parts of the DNC need to hear this anger. I will probably vote Democratid downticket, depending on the race (I’m in Pennsylvania and there is no senatorial contest this year but my representative, Allyson Schwartz, is a solid Hillary partisan) but we need to keep the Democratic Party constantly aware of our anger.

    I did not curse, I did not rage but my tone of voice and attitude made it quite clear how I felt. And boy, did it feel good!

  23. No, I will not vote for McCain. Cannot do it… will not do it.

  24. Voting for (gulp) McCain is a given. It will pain me, it nauseates me now to think my party has left me no recourse, but I will do it.

  25. Go PUMA – sign me up. I agree about the pink panther. Can we make it another color?

  26. If not Hillary, McCain. A colleague/friend in my office just said to me if it isn’t Hillary…it’s McCain. Frankly, folks Obama isn’t cool anymore. HillaCains are the cool ones now. My friend also said she had a neighbor she didn’t like but has a whole lot more respect for them now that they’ve kept their Hillary sign in their yard all this time.

  27. I wonder what the GOP’s attacks on Obama (if he is the nominee) will do to downticket races? I know Southern and red state Western Democrats will probably run to the hills and do what Childers did. The GOP’s attacks are going to be vicious and its going to rub off on downticket Dems.

  28. Per Riverdaughter: Friends don’t let Friends vote Republican.

    And I agree. I’m a Democrate (even if Howard Dean doesn’t agree) I’ve NEVER voted for a Republican and no phony Democrat is going to force me into it.

    I’ll find another solution.

  29. White… too controversial. Black, taken…. Pink…no. Orange… too Cheeto Place. Yellow…too cowardly. Blue, a posibility.

    I lean Green… so… what do others think.

  30. katiebird: The poopy Huffington Post has this:

    http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/

  31. ben, I agree. As he becomes more controversial and more like a regular politician, the coolness factor wears off and only the true believers are left. That will affect young people too. Be afraid DNC, be very afraid.

  32. Another reason (if we needed one) to vote for McCain:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0_JROQDeyk

    Even if he’s saying all of this for purely political gains, i.e., to get our votes, he’s AT LEAST TRYING!!!

    I’m a Proud PUMA!

  33. lyn5 — good heavens! They publish my home address on this thing.

  34. Thing is…I don’t think it would be good for the country to have a President with no former full-time job experience. That’s a big problem for me.

    I am so pissed at BTD. He keeps inisisting Obama has the pop vote lead by trying to read voter intent. What bs. In a democracy, you count votes, not the votes you wish you had.

  35. Be afraid, Kbird, be very afraid… heh.

    They do not even show me, WTF? I want my money back!

  36. I don’t know if I can vote for McCain. I agree with RD and KB on that one. Actually I’m not yet willing to accept that Obama and McCain will be the choices. I still can’t give up on Hillary.

    After hearing her speech yesterday, I have to believe that she still has hopes of convincing the SDs. I don’t think Hillary is delusional, as the media tries to paint her. To me, she seems like a completely down to earth, concrete thinker. When it’s over, she will accept it gracefully. This woman is an adult. She has demonstrated her maturity thoughout this campaign. I trust her.

    I think Hillary has fought this hard because she really believes this country is in mortal danger. She knows we need strong leadership to turn back the fascism that has crept in during the Bush administration. She doesn’t think Obama will deal with these urgent problems, and neither do I.

  37. re: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/

    I just checked it out. Not only do they have my home address, they have a damn map that shows exactly where I live!

    It didn’t show up at first just clicking on my city. I had to type in my last name.

  38. katiebird: I agree. I wish the home address wasn’t published.

    UpstateNY: I think $200 is the magic number to be exposed!

  39. RD: I’m sorry, but I can’t go along for this ride. Best of luck to you all.

  40. Upstate-I believe they show only larger contributions. My donations don’t show up either, but I only send like $20 a week. Broke ass single mom paying for kids school, it is all I can afford, but I do it religiously and when I have extra, it goes to her.

  41. BB: If Hill’s not leading the ticket, would you consider voting for a “third party” alternative? That’s definitely one of my choices, should BO be coronated as the Dems “chosen one”. I’m certainly not leaving it blank — my voice must be heard, loud and clear.

  42. I don’t want to vote McCain, so who is our other choice and if we don’t vote McCain, will that increase BO’s chances?

  43. How about “Just Stay Home”

    Put Democrats at all levels on notice: We’re not voting if the ticket is lead by Obama.

    That puts the (elected) Super Delegates on notice: If they want to win, put Hillary at the top.

  44. Kim, there’s always alternatives listed on the ballot – Green, Independent, Natural Law, Libertarian. Though if you live in one of those “swing” states, your vote(s) may prove very crucial in the ultimate outcome. But, for now, I’m wishing Hillary all the best in her efforts to make this DNC (Dang Nutty Cuckoos) see sense.

  45. Green for the color is great.

    PUMA is my new word. Great also.

    Now, Obama must be stopped. Of course Hillary is superior to the other two-she is the one to vote for. If she’s not on the ballot, I am voting to stop Obama. I believe he is totally unqualified. I’m voting for McCain and downticket Dems.

    Hillary is the best for the country, and if we can’t get her now, then in four years.

  46. It is difficult to get into No Quarter this morning. The traffic over there must be very heavy owing to the supposed big announcement at 9am as promised. I did manage to break through and Larry last published at 7:43am with a piece pertaining to the video, saying it is STUNNING and is supposed to have Michele sitting at a conference table with Louis Farrakhan. His judgment is that this is very incindiary.

    Not sure how this is going to play. He made the announcement over the weekend but all he has is somebody else’s version (5 people who have reportedly seen the tape) but he himself has not. If this is nothing more than a tease it may very well backfire as he is not backing up earlier claims, simply relying on second or third hand information. The 9am deadline has come and gone and as I said, his last post is timed at 7:43am. Nothing since. However, the traffic over there is pretty heavy.

  47. Pat, I think that post was the one he meant. I wonder if anyone will ask the former Republican candidates for more details. Or the Obamas themselves if the incident happened.

    But, I’m guessing it’ll be blown off until the video (if it exists) appears….

  48. Hillary will be the nominee and we can all vote for her, so I’m not worrying too much about it.

    However! If she is not, then I will vote for McCain, encourage others to do so, and give his campaign money.

    I don’t want this revolt to be a quiet one. I want us to make noise. Vocally supporting McCain is noise, and it will be noticed.

    I still consider myself a Democrat. The frat-boy elites are trying to hijack the party and then crash it into the ground. Our job is to save the party and bring it back to its good, inclusive, strong values. Check out RD’s growing “Credo” post in the masthead. That’s what the Puma Democrats are here to do. To stop the hijackers and get the Democratic Party back.

  49. Edwardian: I am aware of that, just don’t know who else is running. Barr is on Libertarian and didn’t Nader announce again for Green? Is there a site that shows all candidates?

    Oh I am in SC, which is usually a red state.

  50. I’ve posted on PUMA over at my place. Great, great idea!

    I will never vote McCain, personally, but I believe everyone should vote his/her conscience.

    I will either stay home or vote downticket only if HRC is not the nominee.

    My husband is leaning towards voting McCain, he is so disgusted. And he’s a 55-year-old hippie.

  51. Puma color? I like BostonBoomer’s idea from last night — Gold for Victory and Red for Fighting.

    A gold, reclining puma against a red background — with her eyes open and her tail curled up, ready to pounce at any moment. She just looks like she’s relaxing.

  52. Rich, best of luck to you too!.

  53. Cool, gold and red, not bad at all…

  54. katiebird: He cannot go around making statements with nothing to back it up if he wishes to maintain his credibility. His post from over the weekend indicated that he had some big news at 9am, however, it looks like the only thing he posted on this topic was at 7:43am. Admittedly I am curious but skeptical at the same time.

  55. “This is where a parent’s mettle is tested.”. That is exactly right. Hillary is a parent and she knows that as well.

    If you believe wrote “I will remember in November!”

  56. I would suggest that the puma’s head turn to face the viewer, and that the eyes be a contrasting, penetrating color. Red? Green? Blue on black?

    Let our true progressive hearts and steely determination shine through the guise we have taken.

  57. Count me in…I’m a new “Unaffiliated”…just mailed in my voter registration card.

  58. staying home is a horrible option and we should not encourage people not to vote. Staying home is a cop out. If you don’t vote, you don’t have any right to complain. Vote natural party, just don’t stay home!

  59. Pat, I get what you’re saying. But, what if he’s trying to force the issue. IF those tapes exist (I’d be more skeptical if we hadn’t seen a fair number of shocking videos this year) THEN I’d rather see them this summer rather than fall.

    Come fall, I’m not interested at all — My vote against Obama doesn’t have anything to do with his Church or any rants by his wife.

    BUT if such a tape could affect his already pathetic level of electability enough that it could sway (otherwise inept) Super Delegates to Hillary — THEN I’m all in favor of seeing it this summer.

    SO If Larry’s willing to put his reputation on the line while trying to force the tape into the open — I’m OK with that.

    I would have thought Obama’s total lack of Qualifications, Hillary’s impressive wins in Swing States, Consistent strength in the polls as illustrated by the Hominid Views, Her Depth of knowledge, Commitment to Public Service, Her Grace under Pressure, Rising Reputation and relationship to the only elected two-term Democratic President since Roosevelt would have been more than enough to clinch the deal.

    Since that doesn’t seem true — hell, let’s sling some dirt. It’s summer and I’m ready to play.

  60. Ben, I’ve always voted. I’m just trying to find an argument — even an illustrative argument to take to the Super Delegates. The rumor is that money is making the difference. What is the value of that money if they can’t get the votes.

    ALSO? I’m fully expecting to vote for the Democratic Nominee: that Hillary will win the nomination.

  61. As to whether you will vote for Mccain, or write in Hillary, or vote a protest candidate, or stay home?

    For most, it’s not time yet to make that decision. The difference, however, is between a symbolic vote that will likely not be heard and a consequential vote that will have visible effect.

    I have not presented the strategic case for a McCain vote, and will not unless and until Obama is confirmed as the nominee … but I have such a case. It will carry some weight, I assure you, and it’s not the product of “vindictiveness”, “self-indulgent … surly revenge”. It will be principled, it won’t be “incomprehensible” except to those who have foresworn comprehension, and it won’t be tactical pre-positioning for the opportunity to say “I told you so”. (That, after all, is Meteor Blades’ habit, not mine.)

    When the time comes, the argument comes. For now, just know this: if the Democratic Party nominates Obama, i will support McCain.

  62. I got into NoQuarter and there are people (Obama supporters) now saying that she did not say “whitey”, but rather, Why’d he. . . and was referring to questions she was asking regarding Bush’s policies, as in Why’d he invade Iran.

    But wouldn’t we all agree it is odd that people are already justifying and saying that is not what she said, if there isn’t a tape?

  63. Amen, Ronk.

  64. I would rather vote a gridlocked McCain, than a no consequence candidate.

  65. “Come fall, I’m not interested at all — My vote against Obama doesn’t have anything to do with his Church or any rants by his wife.”

    So true, KatieB.

    Becoming a game of “Your Guy Is So Unqualified, I Wouldn’t Want him For Hall Monitor” – starring G W Bush (R) and Barack Obama (D).

  66. There probably is credence to the existence of the tape, just showing her sitting side by side with Farrakhan would raise eyebrows in itself. But they better be very cautious with how and what they attribute to her wording since we saw what was done to Mickey Kaplan when they tried to insert something into what he did not say. It garners sympathy.

    I am not sure what Larry’s intent is, whether to force whoever is holding such a tape to come forward now or to try to buy time for Hillary in suggesting its existence. Either way, we need to be fully convinced that a) it exists, b) it is as inflammatory as the suggestion indicates. Otherwise it could be helpful to Obama rather than hindrance.

  67. I am going to have to disagree with the rants and his church. At first, that did not bother me, but as this continues, I worry that if there is a Farakhan connection, will his presidency hurt Israel?

  68. amen amen Ronk.

    I look forward to your argument, actually no I dont. But I’m sure it’s a good one!
    ;-)

    I’m not thinking about it too much now because I believe Hillary will be the nominee.

    Kim, that is odd. havent been able to load noquarter.
    Geez! “Why’d he?” Holy smokes! The OFB really are republicans in pigs’ clothing, following Roger Stone’s playbook (deny everything, admit nothing, launch counterattack).

  69. “I am going to have to disagree with the rants and his church. At first, that did not bother me, but as this continues, I worry that if there is a Farakhan connection, will his presidency hurt Israel?”

    But I think Katie’s point is that, at this point, that wouldn’t make a difference in her choice. Because he’s already demonstrated to be a wholly divisive, inept, cowardice pol, all by himself. Any such tapes being unveiled in the fall won’t change that truth for most of us. Simply reaffirm what we already knew.

  70. You know, if you are serious about this thing, you can’t use a corporate logo.

    Besides, you definitely don’t want to be associated with this infamous Puma ad…

    http://adsoftheworld.com/media/online/puma_viral_red

  71. I’m with you, ronkseattle. I will vote for McCain if Obama is given the nomination. My state does not allow write-ins, but even if that were the case, I would not do it. Someone had posted previously that in some states the write-in automatically goes to the party candidate. So, I guess what I am saying is be very wary of that option until you know your state’s rules. Regardless, I want to make very sure that Obama and his entourage don’t set foot in the White House. He and his known backers scare the crap out of me; I probably would be terrified if I knew who else was behind him.

  72. Pat, with his story, there are grounds for directed questions:

    To the Obamas: Did Michelle ever appear on a panel with Louis Farrakhan? Have either of them ever seen a tape of the event. Do they know anyone who has?

    To the News Directors of the Various Networks and Media Outlets: Do you (or anyone on your staff) have such a tape in your possession? Have you (or anyone on your staff) ever seen such a tape.

    Like I say — this video stuff doesn’t affect me or anyone I know. But, if there’s dirt to expose, I want it exposed this summer.

    ALSO, One aspect of it does interest me. I was very disappointed in reports that Obama walked away from the Kentucky race blaming an ugly email campaign.

    If he and his managers can’t devise a way to run against slanderous allegations, he’s going to have a terrible time this fall. Because that stuff isn’t going to stop and it affects all of us.

    So I think he still needs some help in dealing with negativity.

  73. In a previous No Quarter posting on the tape, another Obama troll said he’s seen the tape and it was just Michelle calmly talking to someone and quoting an angry AA who said “whitey” and she said it wasn’t helpful. Obama trolls are just BSing?

    Let’s see the tape this summer (if it exists).

  74. Ditto Ben, Count me in Murphy, Ronk

  75. Yeah, according to some link this is the supposed transcript:

    “Once again, the white man keeps us down, what’s up with Whitey, Why’d he attack Iraq, Why’d he let Katrina happen, Why’d he leave millions of children behind. This is the legacy the white man gives us”

    Rumores, rumores, quien sabe? I will wait and see if it is even true.

  76. Ronkseattle – me too.

  77. I do have a problem with what is coming out of that church with regard to its political philosophy. And the fact that he sat there for 20 years apparently “unexposed” to their agenda if you wish to believe his lies.

    That church and those who are affiliated are deep thinking anarchists. Who he chooses to surround himself with is important to know. The “liberation theology” they support may influence his handling of mideast and South American countries as the underlying commitment to this theology is overthrow and undermining governments. That priest is a prime example when he issues statements saying that America is evil. We need to know this information because undoubtedly it has to have taken shape somewhere in Obama’s psyche since he sat there for 20 years and did not appear to be offended when it was preached. He counted these people as “friends”.

    What he carries into the WH is very important since we do not have much else by way of admin or legislative experience on which to judge him. If I have indulged in drinking Coke for the last 20 years it is a pretty safe assumption to conclude I like the taste.

  78. What’s wrong with the Pink Panther. I think we all need to keep our sense of humor. Let us not give in to bitterness…frustration, unhappiness maybe, but let’s not be bitter.

  79. RD, I know this is an un-party, but do you think we should start a PAC? I met some women in DC this weekend who started one to finance the count every vote campaign, and it has been quite successful.

    Roger Stone started the whole PAC’s with “unusual” names thing back in February. Maybe we should fight fire with fire?

  80. I’m all for a PAC. PUMA PAC, sounds good

  81. Katiebird and Pat,

    I don’t buy this video nonsense. Larry Johnson has lost a lot of credibility with me. I’m uncomfortable with a lot of his remarks about race. I don’t need a video to know that Obama is linked with Farrakhan. After all, Obama went to the million man march. I’d like to know if Obama was involved in the planning and leadership of the march too. But I don’t really even have a problem with it if he was. I do think it would make him unelectable from the point of view of most Americans.

    The problem I have with Obama is that I think he has already sold out all his liberal values, if he ever had any. As far as I can tell, the few policy proposals he has made in his book and in the campaign are quite conservative. Before the kool-ade really kicked in, a lot of Obama supporters as DK argued that Obama was just pretending to be conservative and that when I got into office he would suddenly become progressive. I wasn’t willing to take a chance like that. I expect the people I vote for to say up front what they plan to do.

    If it takes dirty tricks to bring Obama down, fine. Politics is a dirty business. But I’d rather help the voters understand that Obama is just a phony con man. I don’t care for Michelle, but it’s not really about her. Obama has some really troubling links in Chicago politics. Rezko, Pfleger, Farrakhan, Obama, and Wright are all closely linked–that’s clear. Obama funneled government money to Rezko and Pfleger. I don’t know if Farrakhan and Wright got any. But Obama is really dirty, there’s no doubt about that. We don’t need video smears. All we need is for the facts to be known.

  82. I sent this e-mail to All-Hands at work today. I don’t know. I might be looking for a job really soon. This place is Obama central.

    To all lovers of Democracy:

    I’m sorry to have to write this, and I hope that by speaking out,
    exercising my First Amendment rights, I will not be fired from my
    position here, but I believe the death knell of the Democratic Party was
    sounded Saturday evening.
    I have been a life-long Democrat, and I have voted in every election
    since 1988. I always believed the Democratic party stood for voter
    rights, so Saturday, I traveled to DC to protest the Rules and By-Laws
    committee that was to decide whether or not the Democratic party was
    going to count the votes in FL and MI.
    We were there to insist on 100% representation. Nothing less than 100%
    representation flies in the face of everything the Democratic party has
    stood for, at least since the Voting Rights Act, and especially since
    the fiasco of 2000. How can you say 2.3 million average people get
    their vote cut in half because of the decision of a few? We fought
    against poll taxes. We fought against poll tests. We fought against
    voter roll purges. Now, many so-called Democrats argue that it is
    perfectly appropriate to punish millions of voters for something they
    had no control over.
    In Florida, the Republican controlled legislature attached the primary
    date move to a bill that included requirements for paper trails of
    voting, something we have been demanding since 2000. The Democrats had
    no choice but to vote for the bill. To add insult to injury, the
    Republican legislature named the bill “537″. 537 is the number of votes
    Gore lost to Bush in FL in 2000. It was a big joke played on the
    Democrats by the Republicans. The DNC fell into the trap.
    In Michigan, both Edwards and Obama took their name off the ballot.
    Obama also filed a petition, so that no Obama write-in votes would
    count. He didn’t want one vote that said Obama. There was no rule that
    required the candidates to do this. In fact, taking your name off the
    ballot is an incredibly Anti-Democratic thing to do. It is the reason
    one is barred from doing so in Florida. Taking your name off the ballot
    is an old trick to delegitimize an election.

    This Saturday, many arguments were made in favor of not counting the
    votes. I urge everyone to read through the transcript, and I challenge
    anyone to defend the arguments the Obama campaign made. In contrast,
    the statements made by Harold Ickes and Tina Flounoy, in my opinion,
    will go down in the history books.

    The final decision of the committee was to seat all the FL delegates
    with %50 of a vote. For MI, Obama was given all the Uncommitted
    delegates, which included all the votes for Edwards as well as the
    others who had taken their name off the ballot. However, the real slap
    in the face of Democracy was that Obama was handed 4 delegates from
    Clinton’s votes. So, the one that played Anti-Democratic tricks was
    rewarded with votes that were not cast for him, as well as votes that
    were cast for his opponent.

    I am speaking to you about this, because you are all learned people, and
    I know many of you are Democrats. I believe are Democracy is under
    assault right now. Our elections would not pass the tests we ourselves
    require of developing nations who are starting down the path of
    Democracy. We cannot allow a few people to scuttle the voice of
    millions of voters.

    I urge everyone to study what happened on Saturday. I think it was a
    seismic event that will have repercussions for many years to come, one
    being the death of the Democrats. One of the pillars of the party has
    been voter rights. The DNC just knocked down that pillar, and I believe
    the roof is about to cave in.

    Work is not the appropriate place to have a conversation about this, but
    I would like to, so I’ll be down in the Europa building courtyard by the
    fountain at 5:00PM today, Monday June 2nd, if anyone wants to discuss this.

    Thank you for giving me your time and reading this e-mail.

  83. I think there are too many rumblings out there, for there not to be some basis in fact for this tape. All the repub pacs have to do is run a loop of MO saying, “whitey, whitey, whitey”. Hell, lets be honest, they do not care if it is true.

  84. I think Dean, Brazile, and Obama colluded in electoral fraud when they granted waivers to some States but not FL and MI, where Hillary won big, and when Obama took his name off the MI ballot.
    That should be the placard at the convention.

  85. BB, I agree one hundred percent, but I would rather the swiftboating happen now, when Hillary can step in, rather than October and we are stuck with him on the ballot.

    However, I will repeat this, Israel is our only true allie in the ME and we cannot send a message that we are electing someone, who is connected to Farrakhan.

  86. Savage politics have a very good article up regarding the importance of the PR win.

  87. Let Your Voices Be Heard Loud And Clear On Corbett 3 p.m. est

    http://wilknetwork.com/No-Means-No/2293180

    Posted: Monday, 02 June 2008 11:12AM

    No Means No

    Steve Corbett Reporting
    corbett@wilknewsradio.com

    Monday, June 02, 2008

    When the rain came outside a Washington D.C. hotel Saturday afternoon, they did not run and hide their heads.

    Unlike the refrain in the Beatles’ song, they did not rather they were dead.

    When the rain came, they stood their ground and, looking very much alive and well, shouted “Count every vote” and “This is what a feminist looks like.”

    The protestors, mostly women, knew that when it rains it shines – but only if you refuse to let a stretch of bad weather drive you deep into the shelter of a party that would rather exclude you anyway.

    This party is the Democratic Party and Saturday’s meeting of its pompous rules and bylaws committee did more to dampen support for the mainstream party than any Republican ever could.

    The party elite told the protestors, by and large Democrats, that they would decide what is best for them.

    The protestors explained that they were not slaves and would decide their lives for themselves. By that they meant that they would also decide the party’s future. By that they meant they just might quit.

    “I didn’t quit my party,” one young woman later explained. “My party quit me.”

    Without them, many analysts believe the Democrats cannot win the White House in November. Without them, Democrats will rally around a flawed candidate who will further divide the party into the haves and the have-nots. Without them, the party will go down in females, rather than in flames.

    Men have aligned themselves with the protest as well.

    I, too, stood in the rain.

    Joining in the common cause, I, too, threw my voice at the universe.

    “This is what a feminist looks like,” I howled.

    Nobody questioned my support for equality. No one doubted my resolve to stand in support of Hillary Clinton, the strongest candidate among all those who campaigned – including Barack Obama, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and the rest – to win the nomination to represent Democrats against the Republican war machine.

    Now only two remain – Hillary the white woman and Barack the black man.

    The protestors believe now more than ever that the deck has been stacked all along in Barack’s favor. A combination of white liberal guilt, money, power, deceit and sleazy Chicago politics helped Barack buy his way into the process.

    The party bosses must know that their man will likely lose.

    So why support him to the end?

    That remains the most troubling unanswered question.

    What is known, though, is that many Hillary supporters, mostly women who have been loyal to the party all their lives, feel abandoned. Abused by a disloyal party whose leadership is made up mostly of men, they have finally had enough.

    The separation is about to commence.

    And the divorce will be messy.

    But when the split is complete, their freedom of choice, the liberation of walking out, will renew their strength in themselves.

    Even if Barack becomes the nominee – and I’m not convinced that will happen – these protestors will know forever that they have power they never before experienced. The power to say no constitutes freedom in the face of a society that expects you to say yes.

    No means no – even in the political arena.

    Time has almost run out for party bosses. But they still can change – even the women among them who continue to do the bidding of men who promise them everything but never deliver.

    Men ands women superdelegates can still admit that Hillary is the best person for the job as she fights on until the national party convention in August in Denver.

    Once there, the bosses can award her the nomination. If they do, the Democrats are closer to equality than ever. If they don’t, the great gender divide gets wider.

    Standing in the rain outside the hotel on Saturday, a critic couldn’t help but sense the power of believing in a principle.

    Truth is as principled as it gets.

    And the truth sometimes hurts.

  88. BB, I pretty much agree with you. Except that I never had any feelings about Larry Johnson’s credibility — I don’t know anything about him at all.

    I’m secure that my support for Hillary rests on her accomplishments as a Public Servant and campaigner. And I’m secure in my feelings that Obama is unelectable based on his total lack of qualifications (the word “experience” doesn’t begin to describe his problems) as well as his lack of commitment to liberal issues I think critical (health care for everyone & social security)

    But I’m finding that I kind of enjoy the Obama Show and Larry Johnson’s site is a front row seat for that.

    It’s my guilty pleasure and I’ll keep quiet about it from now on….

  89. Paul_L at corrente-wire brought up the idea of some sort of lawsuit or legal action against the DNC and RBC for its violation of its own rules. It didnt get much enthusiastic response, but I like the idea of the idea.

    Maybe something for a PUMA PAC to do? Charge the DNC with electoral fraud? Maybe not even in a court but in a youtube video or ad?

  90. Did Steve Corbett pen the slogan for Pumas?

    No means No!

  91. Seriously people, voting for McCain is NOT the answer. Particularly if you are a feminist or believe in equal right for women and other minorities. Vote Green. Cynthia McKinney is a WAY better alternative than McCain. Sheesh…I shouldn’t have to be telling people that.

  92. Farraakhan, Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Pfleger, Axelrod of the Daley machine, and the fine gentlemen ambassadors for Obama on the internet–don’t judge a candidate by the company he keeps! Everything has changed! The Democratic Party under Nancy Pelosi has thrown most of the voters under the bus!

    How did Obama “deserve” the Most Liberal Voting record in the Senate? (That designation is the kiss of death, however, it didn’t help Kerry except among a small sliver of the voting pie.)

    After one year Bama was bored and has let the citizens of Illinois (and lobbyists) fund his campaign time. (BTW, Hillary won a Grammy for her reading of “It Takes a Village” so Bama’s not the only “rock star.”)

    Investigative reporter Evelyn Pringle says that a fifth grader with access to the internet could find out all of this stuff about Obama.

    Pringle’s Follow the Money: Final Chapter – Curtain Time for Obama is the best of the series for summarizing how Obama, especially as Chairman of the Illinois Senate Health and Human Services Committee, abetted Rezko’s influence peddling schemes.

    The Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act had to be passed–and this is where Obama, Rezko’s #2 man, played a role.

    BTW, Rezko was counting on Gov. Blag. becoming President and that Patrick Fitzgerald–the Elliot Ness going after the pervasive Chicago/State of Illinois corruption– was going to be “replaced.”

    Tony Rezko is a private citizen. Therefore, the evidence presented in the trial focused on his influence over officials in getting members appointed to the Boards. Prosecutors did not discuss how the legislation got passed that enabled the Planning Board to be set up in a way that allowed for the appointment of members to rig the votes to begin with.

    That part of the scheme will likely be detailed in future indictments, probably starting with Blagojevich. Blagojevich signed the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act with an effective date of June 27, 2003. However, before he could sign the act, a bill had to be passed by the Illinois House and Senate.
    As discussed fully in Curtain Time Part II, Obama was the inside guy in the senate who pushed through the legislation that resulted in the Act.

    Obama was appointed chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. The minute the bill was introduced, it was referred to his committee for review. The sponsors of the bill also served on this committee with Obama. Within a month, Chairman Obama sent word to the full senate that the legislation should be passed.

    On May 31, 2003, Senate Bill 1332 passed and specified that the “Board shall be appointed by the Governor, with the advice and consent of the Senate.” The legislation reduced the number of members from 15 to 9, paving the way for the appointment of a five-bloc majority to rig the votes.
    The corrupt members appointed included three doctors who contributed to Obama. Michel Malek gave Obama $10,000 on June 30, 2003 and donated $25,000 to Blagojevich on July 25, 2003. Malek also gave Obama another $500 in September 2003.

    –the complete article can be read at –

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S00325.htm

  93. P.S. Are those Puerto Ricans also racists hillbillies?

  94. BB, I agree with pretty much everything you say. I watched the Wright fiasco unwind from a distance. Some of the TUCC remarks really offended me, but I cant be a hypocrite — most things that happen in churches/mosques/synagogues offend me. Radical religious associations have an impact on politics. I wont argue or even fight that. A more secular, inclusive, and compassionate society will be more easily built if political leaders are forced to stay away from radical, fundamentalist religious institutions of any/all denominations. Romney, Huckabee, Obama — they actually have a lot in common, and BO should share their fate, NOW, before it is too late and we’re stuck with him in November.

  95. kbird: “It’s my guilty pleasure and I’ll keep quiet about it from now on….”

    Nah….we all have guilty pleasures. I do not know much about Larry either (He sounds quite conservative, as far as I am concerned) I find the comments section quite annoying for the most part, but every now and then, it is interesting to visit.

    Probably, IF it even exists, “the tape” so-called-scandal will amount to nothing….I just do not know where Larry and his commenters get all their info sometimes.

  96. From what I can determine out of what is known in that tape is this: She is supposed to have been in discussion along with Farrakhan regarding the Bush administration in handling the war and Katrina. She is reported to have said either: “whitey” or “why’d he?”. Not having seen the tape or the context of the remarks it is difficult to assume either one. But apparently there is a tape since people are chiming in about the actual description of her wording.

    As a result of this “bombshell” they are over there ripping each other apart depending on which side you are on. It seems ridiculous to be arguing something that most of us have not witnessed. But I am with katiebird, it is amusing to sit back and watch. Credibility on the blogs his being debated as if there was much out there to begin with.

  97. The more this whole tape thing drags on the less I worry about it. I was really expecting some resolution by 9:30 this morning but only received a more strongly stated allegation.

    The more I think about it; the less I want to think about it. Maybe the tape is a strategy to encourage Clinton to keep fighting (in the hopes that the tape is real). Maybe the tape is faked and when it is shown to be faked BO will receive a bump from it (and future immunity from such attacks). Maybe the Republicans are holding on to it for an October surprise. Maybe the rumor is being circulated to cut the legs out from under BO. Maybe the tape is real and in the hands of some entrepreneur who just wants to cash in big. Maybe…

    The longer this tape “exists” but remains inaccessible; the more people are going to perceive the tape as “just politics” or as just some sick product of an American tendency to assassinate the character of their political rivals (or their wives). Obviously, any tape of Michelle Obama saying stuff in the vein of the recent comments is probably going to hurt BO. The longer BS speculation keeps up the less it is going to hurt.

    Some of the stuff that Pfleger and Rev. Wright have said that gets looped endlessly on TV is already “extreme.” People that want to believe Trinity Church is the moral equivalent of some hate group, already believe it. I am not sure whether this idea is approaching a saturation point or whether the camel’s back is one straw away from breaking.

  98. Darth — dont try to nader Obama into office. If the idiot bosses put up a loser, I’m not taking any chances. It’s McCain all the way.

    And dont condescend to us — we know what our feminist/progressive/equal rights values are.

    And women are NOT a minority. majority, majority, majority.

    Sheesh!

  99. Addendum….voting for Cheney’s energy bill written by lobbyists behind closed doors is not progressive! (Of course, being Obama, he pretends he didn’t vote for it on the campaign trail–it is not as if this country has any real reporters who have a platform that can expose him to a wide audience.

    Concurrent to starting a new party, we have to transform the Fourth Estate. It is impossible to have a real political party of the people when the television media is controlled by a half-a-dozen corporations. Whatever candidate best serves their corporate interests is the chosen one.

  100. Katiebird,

    We don’t have to be quiet about it. No Quarter is on the blogroll after all. I enjoy the purple prose over there too. I just think Larry should have revealed what he had heard without all the big build-up. To me he has credibility as a former DC insider and I admired his support of Valerie Wilson. He did a lot to get her case discussed in the corporate media.

  101. Murphy, if you vote for McCain then I hope you plan on taking responsibility for the things he does while in office. He is NOT a viable alternative. You may know your feminist/progressive values, but if you vote for McCain then you certainly aren’t voting with those values in mine.

    That said, I’m outta here. I’m literally down to about 2 blogs any more that I can even stand to read. Can’t stand the sexism of the vast majority of the blogosphere and the people saying they’ll vote for McCain are driving me out of the rest of it. *sigh*

  102. Upstate,

    I don’t read the comments over there either, but I like to read the posts. I used to read Susan Hu at DK and Booman. I think she is a good researcher. She sometimes goes over the top, but she doesn’t post falsehoods, as far as I can tell. I sometimes click on the recent comments on the front page if they look interesting. I can’t read the comments at Taylor Marsh either. By the time I get to either of those places, there are already hundreds of comments, and I just don’t have time to read through them.

  103. I’m in WA. I think any vote against obama will have to be for McCain here, I think alternative Green Party vote or other write-ins are good for red states or deep blue states, but I think WA can swing if the opposition goes to McCain.

    I look forward to RonK’s assessment – if obama is on the ballot.

  104. Go, Pumapower. I hope it is okay to cross post this whole article, RD. You should see this morning’s paper. Also, you can learn more about the race-based target marketing in a cool little post here:

    http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=470

    These are four bloggers with a ton to say. Each of their voices is unique, and are they ever angry. Whew.

    The Party is split. Hillary could heal that. Hold that thought. They will never convince any of her supporters over to the other side, too much damage has been done.

  105. Darth, people are saying a lot of things these days. Hillary is not out of the race yet, is she?

  106. Darth,

    Are you familiar with the electoral college system? I certainly hope so.

    I live in Massachusetts. My vote will only be important if there is close race here. I’ll decide my vote when the time comes. But if Obama is a clear winner in my state, my vote for someone else won’t influence the race at all. The same would be true if Obama were losing my state by a lot. People who live in very red states aren’t going to affect the resutls either. The only states that really matter are the swing states–like OH, FL, MI, PA, NJ–states that Hillary won big in the primaries. That is why I still think there is a chance she will win the nomination in the end.

    It’s way too early to be lecturing people about their votes right now. Anything can happen between now and August and anything can happen between August and November.

  107. I like that I can now read the comments and now go craaaaazzzzy. I would rather vent positively here, than waste that anger somewhere else.

  108. Ditto Ben, Murphy, Ronk, Denise, Briana. Let’s face it, the Obama-Jugen and the Uber-Republican DNC have taken over the Democratic Party. The only way to restore democracy to the Democratic Party is to teach them that bullying will not be rewarded and for them to learn that to win we need to be a party of inclusion.

  109. Wait, I meant NOT go craaaazzzzy.

  110. Sign me up! I am ready to vote McCain, if need be. But he has to court me first. Why on earth would I be loyal to a party that told me I had sand in my vagina and was a racist for asking what the guy’s qualifications were exactly?

    GO PUMAS!

  111. Larry Johnson broke a cardinal rule of journalism — if you can’t deliver, then don’t promise.

    Yeah, he’s pretty purple over there. As angry as I am, sometimes I need myself a little red meat!

  112. Hope is not a plan, DV.

  113. The Democrats have been taken over by the Pseudo-Democratic Huffington-Kossian-Aravosian wing of the “New Democratic Party”.

    The ACTUAL Democrats need to take it back. Can’t do that if Obama wins. They will be all powerful.

    Yeah, I’m a McCain voter, nuclear option here. The guy lived in a box for 5 years. Who deserves the job more, the guy who lived in a box? or the guy whose never had a full-time job.

  114. Larry didn’t promise the tape, just news of it. I think he told us what he knew. He knows quite a lot but knowing and not showing does help him.

    I’m indifferent to it. I’m doing what I can to get the Nom for HRC. She needs to do damn well tomorrow.

    Help us out if you can guys. Call and write!

  115. Kim: heh, we understood.

    BB: I agree. I used to read TMarsh in the old days. Now, more often than not, I do not. The comment section gets impossible to read (plus some comments make me very uncomfortable). TL is very interesting for the most part. So far, Riverdaughter is a good balance for me.

  116. UpstateNY, I read TalkLeft, but not anything that has the word Unity in the title. I stopped reading those a month ago or more. To me it’s just a softer version of WWTSBQ.

  117. Can we agree to never use the word unity in our postings? I get dizzy when it appears.

  118. Roger Stone did say he thinks a network has the tape. Has there been instances when Stone was rumor-mongering on national TV?

    And how could Obama trolls from the internet have seen the tape (and remembered the words) if its supposedly under lock and key (or heavily guarded) among the Republcian inner circle and/or a TV network?

  119. FYI, for those expecting to SEE the tape, GET REAL. Read Larry Johnson’s description of what is ON the tape. That is the story.

    Who do they think they are?

    Oh excuse me for thinking that the tape was the story. You are right, I really would rather hang on your every word instead of seeing something that, you know, anybody outside of blogs cares about. I was so distraught all weekend; I just sat around wringing my hands wondering if it was true.

    Thank god salvation came at 7:43 AM. Larry knows five people who have seen it? Who even needs a tape when some guy on the internet says he knows some people who have said that they have seen something? Nobody of course, the real story is the story! Best story ever!

  120. Teresa, I agree with you. McCain’s bio will win him the Presidency if Obama is the nominee. Any fault in his policy or his past can be forgiven (by average people) by pointing to his heroic time as a POW.

  121. I’m still hoping for Hillary but I just don’t think that the powers that be in the Democratic Party will allow her to win. It’s as much about “purging” the Clintons and the Clinton Democrats as it is about Obama. I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

    I have never voted for a Republican in my life. And it is could make a difference here in Wisconsin. But to do otherwise is to say that what the Democratic Party has done is fine with me. And it’s not.

    If it’s all right to vote for Blue Dog Democrats, those that stab their own party in the back and side with Republicans time after time, then I can vote for a Republican.

    PUMAs for An Honest Democracy

  122. WS,

    Roger Stone is rotten, dirty right wing thug. He is the one who started that anti-Hillary organization with the initials C%$T. I do not think he would have said what he did on Fox News without some information to back it up, but you never know. It is also possible that he is spreading this around in order create more chaos in the Democratic nomination process.

  123. kbird: The Unity talk does not bother me. BTD is quite an interesting blogista. He is lately trying to push a unity ticket (well, not lately, really). I honestly do not know if it is even viable/desirable.

    I was always quite open where I come from politically in this blog. If Hillary is not the nominee I will not vote D, this year (my first) and instead will move farther left (I am quite comfortable doing that and in retrospect should have probably done it in 2004).

    Anyway, for me is easy to say this. If Hillary does not make it (we’ll see), I can always vote for her as my senator (that is if the DNC will allow the evilest of vile people to remain in the ballot).

    You can be assured that come November I will vote but not for O (I still have my diginity :) I know I will be held responsible for all kinds of horrible things by the O’s supportes :deaths in the Middle East, Conservative Supreme Court, Global Warming…you name it)… then again, maybe O will win and bring lots of possitive change without my help. Maybe it is a generational thing and I am just to myopic to see the future.

    Sorry for poor sp.

  124. Guys, try and find any newsmedia accurately reporting this simple fact about the MI decision on Saturday:

    “The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. ”

    Go forth, and see if anybody got this right. Bring back your quotes.

  125. WS,

    I’m fine with the story just being the story. That can do a lot of damage in itself, since so many seem to believe the plausibility of such a tape.

    Roger Stone is a freak show. He will say ANYTHING, absolutely anything. He is a low-down dirty rat. Liar, exaggerator, pervert, blowhard, and without a conscience. that being said, I dont think he’s a hypocrite.

    But he would definitely lie about a network having the tape. Didnt he say he “thinks” a network has the tape? easy kind of lie to get out of.

    He has no reputation to defend or protect so I dont trust anything he might say.

    I kinda admire the guy in an inexplicable way that probably reflects badly on my morals.

    Check out the profile of him in the latest New Yorker.
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/02/080602fa_fact_toobin

  126. what you said BostonBoomer!

  127. Okay, I have to do this, I have seen it, I have googled it, no answer, just wtf is WWTSBQ?

    Kenosha, voted Republican once in 32 years and it was for a Judge who was hard on DV abusers and I still only registered as an independent, but that was worth it, she threw the bums in jail and I think this will be worth it.

    I did it the first time to stop women from being abused and damn if it doesn’t almost feel the same now. We have been abused, ignored, maligned and disenfranchised.

  128. The PUMAs are prowling and growling!

    I agree with everything Riverdaughter said. Fuck Unity and Fuck anybody who tries to blackmail me into voting for Obama in the GE.

    Party Unity My Ass!!!

    The last straw was the MI ruling. The DNC/RBC are a sham. Vote stealing and vote changing is not what this party represented and if that’s what’s going to be the new “Democrats”, I’m gonna let them play themselves in the GE because when they lose , I’ll be dancing on their graves and spitting on them.

    As we speak, I’m 1/2 a person, 1/2 a vote here in FL, but they will get a full 100% head-on PUMA from me as a result.

    NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING will make me vote for Obama or support any RBC member and/or Superdelegates that supported this soulless, bland, chameleon-like Chicago empty suit run by con artists and thugs.

    Voting for a cheater is not Party Unity. It’s cooperating in the hijack of democracy.

    ANd BTW, Roe v Wade ain’t going anywhere. If Bush couldn’t get rid of it, McCain sure as hell won’t.

    PUMAs UNITE!!

  129. Hi guys – Please check out Jeralyn’s latest at TalkLeft.

    It’s the map AND the math.

    Absolutely amazing.

  130. Saturday, May 31, 2008 – “The Day The Music Died”. Sign me up . Power to the PUMA.

  131. WS: Yes. In my case I was previously in the undervote for president category. However, I feel that undervoting or 3rd party voting is a “half vote” against Obama rather than a full vote against him.

    After the travesty last weekend, the whole notion of “half-votes” sticks in my craw. I’m now a full-blown McCain voter.

  132. WWTSBQ = Why Won’t That Stupid Bitch Quit

  133. Oh that is ugly, no wonder I couldn’t figure it out.

  134. Remember when sane, fair and rational people were trying to set up a re-vote in Florida and Michigan. The Obama camp came out saying that since Michigan and Florida were under sanction by the Justice Department’s Voting Rights Division, a new election could not be allowed unless the Justice Department said the new primaries were ok. Of course, there was not enough time for that. So how is it that the RBC has the authority to come up with an allocation plan w/o the ok of the Justice Department. Somehow, voting by prepaid return ballots was illegal, but throwing the votes of real people out and making up a result out of whole cloth is ok?? I want my democracy back! PUMA

  135. Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses.
    From Jeralyn at talkleft

    If that statistic does not tell the story what will? SDs, it is still not too late. People have spoken. Don’t let Brazile, Dean, Pelosi, and the media choose the weakest candidate.

    Upon reflection I was thinking 69/59 was bad enough and then I heard that the Obama contingent on the committee was ready to vote for 50/50 and had to be dissuaded. Who the hell are these people?

  136. Kim,

    WWTSBQ = Why doesn’t the stupid bi&%ch quit.

    To learn more, read older posts by Lambert and Vastleft at Corrente.

  137. katiebird, on June 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 am Said:

    BB, I pretty much agree with you. Except that I never had any feelings about Larry Johnson’s credibility — I don’t know anything about him at all.

    I have been following noquarter for a while and they tell it like it is and they have put their blogging career on the line and have not played it safe like some of the other pro-Clinton bloggers (who go on to profess they will still vote for Obama after knowing and writing everything they did about him — I don’t understand that at all). To the contrary, Larry and Susan have picked their side for good reason and are sticking with it. Larry speaks to how he became a Clinton supporter and seems sincere in that and I am willing to trust him more than those others who want to play it safe. Being a Washington insider, I think he is well connected especially among republicans.

  138. Jeralyn’s argument on primary v. caucus is very strong stuff and the SD’s need to understand it.

    I am so grateful to riverdaughter for her strength in battling the Obama crap. He has NOT won anything, and he CAN’T unless he actually gets the SD votes he currently has lightweight promises of when the convention votes. To go to the convention as the true Presumptive Nominee, all 2118 delegates MUST BE PLEDGED delegates. Obama does not have this number, and he cannot get this number.

    I refuse to drink the Obama koolaid. People, that is what they are serving when they try to get Clinton supporters to think about a unity ticket with her as VP, and to resign ourselves to the “fact” she’s lost.

    She has NOT lost. I will continue sending the energy of my thoughts to a Hillary Clinton Presidential nomination, followed by a GE win for her in November.

  139. Not voting for BO IS a vote for MacD so I shall write in Hillary Clinton on my ballot if she is not the Primary winner so my vote will be noticed.

    Remember how the Dem rulz gave BO votes in MI in part because of non counted WRITE IN’s?

  140. Taylor Marsh has given up on Hillary (again.) This great news. Taylor has a habit of giving up five minutes to early. Every time Taylor has pronounced Hillary dead, Hillary turns a big corner.

    I have to remember I’m a PUMA now. No more Taylor (which way is the wind blowing today?) Marsh for me.

    GO PUMA!

  141. Here is how I feel. I am permanently in Clinton’s corner and I feel she is the most qualified of the three candidates we have now. If she is forcibly let go because of stupid fools in the Dem party, I want to focus on defeating the least qualified candidate, Obama who was also responsible for Clinton’s ouster — his qualifications aside, I am truly scared of all the people supporting him and would never want to give power to such people. Once he loses on NOv 4, I want Clinton to come roaring back on Nov 5. My loyalty lies with the best and most deserving of the candidate and not the party.

    PUMA, you bet!

  142. Gee, I know it’s ARG but check this out:

    Montana
    Democrats May 31-June 1

    Clinton 44%
    Obama 48%
    Undecided 8%

    South Dakota
    Democrats May 31-June 1

    Clinton 60%
    Obama 34%
    Undecided 6%

    It’s men in the mountain west to Obama’s rescue again. What’s up with that?

  143. Melanie — I’m planning to call tonight.

    Thanks for sharing this info — I was afraid it would be like calling Oregon all over again. This make it look good.

    Unless the numbers for South Dakota are switched?

  144. Arabella Trefoil, on June 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 pm Said:
    I have to remember I’m a PUMA now. No more Taylor (which way is the wind blowing today?) Marsh for me.
    ——–

    I agree. My theory about TM is that she wants to play it safe.. She has lost me too!

  145. Wait a minute (unspeakable thought)

    What if Hillary one either — or both — of those states?

    Hasn’t everyone assumed these would be Obama’s?

    Damn those voters! Don’t they know the fix is in?

    Can the DNC call another Rules meeting. There might be more adjustments necessary.

  146. Ryan: “Thank god salvation came at 7:43 AM. Larry knows five people who have seen it? Who even needs a tape when some guy on the internet says he knows some people who have said that they have seen something? Nobody of course, the real story is the story! Best story ever!”

    The story just crushed the credibility of LJ, and the video. If they ever do try to surface a tape, it will be considered “doctored” just like the one of Carville. It will get no mileage, and No Quarter has some damage control to do just to get their credibility back.

    Bad move, and not helpful to Clinton.

  147. I agree, I don’t think the tape matters, whether it exists or not. Obama is already DOA in the general, between his lack of experience, lack of any real base, lack of any real substance, McCain’s appeal, Ayres, Wright, Rezko, etc. I personally could not care less about the whatever Michelle said. The only way such a tape could possibly be useful would be to finally wake up superdelegates to the fact as much as the media has protected Obama from all of these scandals, they’re coming back in the fall with a vengeance if he’s the nominee. However, once again, they should have enough common sense to figure that out anyway.

    I can’t stand McCain, and I’d rather vote for McKinney, but since in a McCain Obama matchup one of them is going to be elected, I’d have to give serious consideration to the most direct way to stop Obama. It’s not going to matter anyway, it’s not like a McCain-Obama matchup would be close.

  148. pm317: Many of the Clinton sites are now going soft and drinking the koolaid. Playing out the scenarios of a “unity” ticket with Hillary as VP is nothing more than changing the mindset and giving up.

    Solid Hillary supporters know this isn’t over, and that she can still win. Staying in that mindset is critical to helping her reach that success.

    TM, and TL are both getting too soft. I’ve jumped ship on both of them so the “unity” song doesn’t play in my head.

  149. When you consider the margin of error and the undecideds, Montana is well within range for a Hillary win.

    Would Obama still make a victory speech that night if he loses both states.

    The New York Times characterizes Obama as Wheezing into the Convention — if he loses everything after Oregon, he’s on life support.

  150. Now is the time ladies and gentlemen to make one last appeal to voters and to the superDs. Many will be deciding tomorrow. HRC and co. are hustling and we’ve got to help.

    I just talked to HRC HQ in Virginia and they’re working their hearts out. Everyone will be with Hillary tomorrow. Hundreds of people who have worked with her and supported her.

    It’s time to change minds and let it be known that we came to win it–and it was WON!

  151. Time for a PUMA Pep Talk.

    It ain’t over until the lady in the pants suit says it’s over.

    We cannot afford the luxury of a negative thought.

    Time is on our side – yes it is!

    (If edwardian is still around, we’ll sing it for you.)

    GO PUMA!

  152. He’ll win Montana. I’ve learned with these polls it’s all about who will never vote for a given candidate in a primary. Hill’s wouldn’t vote for is higher than Obama’s in MT(men in these states, like Oregon are going 2-1 for BO). In SD, his number of won’t vote is much higher than Clinton’s, over double. That usually tells the story.

  153. murphy: “Maybe something for a PUMA PAC to do? Charge the DNC with electoral fraud? Maybe not even in a court but in a youtube video or ad?”

    It would be great if PUMA’s could get an ad made that shows a huge crowd of people to represent just how big the deflection will be from the democratic party should Obama steal this nomination.

  154. Melanie: I’m not sure what you mean?? Are you thinking both MT and SD will go obama?

  155. BREAKING NEWS:

    OT, but Bo Diddley has died. A moment of silence, please, for one of the greats of rock ‘n roll.

    Thank you.

  156. rojo7449, on June 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm Said:

    —————
    Anglachel had a superb essay on legitimacy and not unity. I am never for unity if there is no legitimacy. He is an illegitimate nominee (IF he becomes that), especially after the RBC and MI vote. As I said in my previous post my loyalty is to the best qualified and deserving candidate and not the party.

  157. Oh, Bostonboomer, I’m so sorry.

  158. Melanie — I believe MT is on its way to becoming an OR — latte liberals are making their way there. I understand it’s a gorgeous state. Second, from a distance, I get the idea that the politicians (Schweitzer, Tester) try to project a ‘rugged’ image — I think that tells the story.

    If she wins SD, well, then wow. Daschle has the entire party machinery out in force for BO. I read that Herseth-Sandlin, along with a ‘women for BO’ group are canvassing and pitching his ’son of a single momma’ story. What a wonderful end to the primaries if she takes SD. Many articles mention that the Clintons have strong support on the reservations, but I don’t know what their numerical strength is. We’ll find out tomorrow night.

  159. jjmtacoma, no, not at all. I am saying his wouldn’t vote for is very high in SD, which typically means he won’t win there. Her’s is higher than his in MT, which usually means she won’t win there. That is what I am saying.

    The bots on myDD are saying he polled so poorly because his fans were all at his rallies over the weekend.

  160. This blog will expire if it is not expanded (I am 100% Hillary but want the Hillary blogs to stay around since we have lost so much of the blogosphere conversation). So, I’d like to start a conversation about where to go from here.

    Could we begin with those things we want most to change?

    For example: the corruption of the Democratic Party, media bias, blogosphere bias, the economy (we after all have a particular point of view), misogyny, women’s rights as civil rights, electing women to office, etc.

    Also, expand the stable of posters.

    I’m not interested in eliminating our pro-Hillary stance but expanding the conversation a bit. I’m a constant lurker but rarely comment, so I make this suggestion humbly.

  161. Oh, gotcha! Thanks for clearing it up for me. I stay away from MSM so this is my primary info source anymore – plus comments are getting so big/long I don’t have time to crawl around as much.

  162. Wow. You people are stunningly sore losers. How about growing up just a wee little bit?

    I admire Hillary – and I’d love to see a future for her in the party. But you people are killing that.

  163. kenschell,

    We’re not sore losers — we’re determined winners. The voters have been voting overwhelmingly for Hillary since March.

    If the DNC is determined to lose, they can do it without us. We’ve all held our noses to vote for plenty of losers.

    Why should we do it this year. When we could be voting for the most impressive candidate we’ve ever had?

    Oh, Donna B doesn’t like her. hmm.

  164. I admire Hillary….you people….wow, wow, wow

  165. KateNC: TL has 2 (well, 3) posters.

  166. Wow. You people are stunningly sore losers. How about growing up just a wee little bit?

    Alright, but what kind of winner does this make you?

  167. kenschell,

    This isn’t a game. As much as the Media wants to make it into a sporting event.

  168. Kenschell: Ahhh, you’re worried about Hillary’s future. That is so sweet. But we’re killing it by thinking that Democracy is more important than Obama? LOL! You are an Alice in Wonderlander, I’m sure.

  169. “Wow. You people are stunningly sore losers. How about growing up just a wee little bit?

    I admire Hillary – and I’d love to see a future for her in the party. But you people are killing that.”

    Well let’s see. Break that down into Part 1 and Part 2. You got Part 2 right as per the new “sweetie” talking points for the day. But you need to work on Part 1.

  170. Just got this:

    Also needed…a half dozen people at Montana Craig’s list to flag Obama posts.
    http://montana.craigslist.org/pol/

    Here’s the deal. Craig’s list sways the vote. Let’s stay on it.

    Also, rule is, any post with the word “flag” gets flagged and don’t forget to scroll to the bottom and look for the gray box that says “send note”..click it. Not all of them have it.
    Please check SD Craig’s list occasionally. It seems to be under control

    The trolls are cutting and pasting the Politico and Huff post and Kos phony articles into political section of Craig’s list..Thanks for you help..people do listen to Craig’s list because it’s grass roots info.
    Thanks

  171. Thanks for spam-ifying the troll!

  172. I hope we can find someone suitable to coalesce around if Clinton is forced to concede and support Obama. I will support her to the end, however, I will not vote for McClain, or Obama. No way, no how. I have four grandchildren whom I love too dearly to do that foul thing. When he started hugging Bush and kissing his ring, I lost any measure of respect I ever felt for him. Surely another answer waits to be discovered which will allow us to honor the candidate who has so inspired us. I cannot imagine that voting for McCain will make her happy. If everyone became a solid rational voice that everyone could feel pride in supporting — I don’t know, maybe draft Gore, vote green party, something that makes sense of who we are — we won’t just go out in a cloud of dust. It has been mentioned that there are probably a lot of voters suffering from “buyers remorse” that could also be encompassed in our new thrust for real democracy. I will keep reading this site, because I want so much for someone to find the right answers that we can carry forward proudly and with vigor.

    Another thing, we have to do away with the caucuses in every state. It is just a way for the bullies to intimidate others. I was sitting next to a very nice, professional looking AA couple, when two AA men, also appropriately dressed, stood in front of us. I glanced up to see if they were going to ask me about something, because they were holding papers. They, however, were not checking anything on the papers; they were staring at the lone two AA people sitting on the HRC side. I glanced at the couple, then back at the men, who stared at me and then moved on. I said, “Oh, my goodness” to the couple; they said, “Oh, we are used to it. We get that all the time, but we just think Hillary is better for the economy and that is what we need right now..” I just commented that they made a tough decision that took some courage and left it at that. No, caucuses are not very democratic.

    Just one more thing, they have to take Clare McCaskel off of tv. I almost threw my coke can at the screen before I could stop myself. She infuriates me.

  173. kenschell

    Are you campaigning for John McCain? I’m collecting up reasons to vote for him. You just gave me another.

  174. Samantha,

    I guess it doesn’t help them any that their candidate appears to don more W-like characteristics everyday. Yikes! So is it really any wonder that they’d seek to pervert more “qualified” terrain?

  175. PUMA POWER!

    Don’t ya just love it when oppo trolls or blogcloggers worry about us bitsy little “sore losers”? Init just too sweet for words? (gagging)

    The way the freepers, aka first cousins to Obamatrolls, worried about Al Gore and John Kerry being “sore losers” just for wanting all the votes counted.

    IMNSHO anyone that doesn’t fight for every vote is a loser. Everyone that gives up, gives in, and concedes when there is any chance at all is a loser. A candidate that doesn’t fight for every vote that people cast for them is not worthy of those that voted for them. Let the mediamorons, the blogcloggers, the Obamatrolls, the freepers and all other lower forms of life rant about “sore losers” like 12 year olds.

    Anyone that fights on and never gives up may ultimately lose, but they are never losers. And blogcloggers that troll websites insulting voters who they may ultimately need to help their candidate and who are in the same party, or were in the same party, are more than losers, they are fools.

  176. kenschell:

    Your candidate is an ILLEGITIMATE one. He did not win his votes. He was appointed them. Jush like Bush.

    I spit and PUMA you and you candidate. You and your candidate do not believe in democracy. I am a FL voter and I am not 1/2 a person. “Uncommited” should have gone as just that and voted at the convention. THAT is democracy.

  177. Another thing Kenschell: we are not sore losers.

    We are PUMAs and we will fight till hell freezes over and still fight on the ice. (h/t to Pat Buchanan, GOD I never thought I’d see myself agreeing with him ever.)

    We believe in one person, one vote.

    We believe that Hillary will walk away if she lost fair & square, but the fighting hasn’t been fair. The RBC Obama appeasers proved that.

    We believe that caucus numbers and primary numbers should not be mixed becasue they are not measured the same way.

    We believe that our party is not listening to the popular vote – the most sacred and valid metric of our democracy. Remember Al Gore? Yeah, he won the popular vote too. And what the DNC/RBC is doing is no different than the Supreme Court.

    And we believe that we are tired of being bossed around by party leaders and the media who cavort to inexperienced, elite, power-hungry Chicago dirty politics because he’s a man.

    We did not desert the Democratic party, they deserted us, the rank-and-file Democrats who year after year vote for the guy they say to vote for. NO MORE.

    So leave before this PUMA does some neck snapping.

  178. AWESOME PUMA POWER!
    me too………new register!
    thanks for the solidarity!

  179. psychological warfare that is about to be directed at us

    Somehow, I don’t believe that’s an issue, if it were the racial grievance card Obama played or constant victim hood drama blame name calling all together now, would have kicked us into the Obama column by now …. add Obama is not qualified to be President of the United States and add that the Democratic Party, against the will of their won base faked the Primary results to aid Obama. Main reason it will never happen is I will not accept and will work against electing another Party puppet like George Bush. Now what any SD’s in my voting path needs to understand is that I view Obama’s lack of ability, radical ties and divisive behavior as a threat to good governance therefore my country and their vote for him will be considered in that light and against my will and interest.

  180. Hear, hear. Sign me up.

    I will not yield to the bullies.

  181. Hey Jona, I believe we have decided to vote for the next president – that’s all. Blame away if you feel better.

  182. UFA, I’ll be glad to show you how to join:

    Ahem… whenever you hear or see an Obamabot say “We need party unity” scream it or type it:

    P arty
    U nity
    M y
    A ss!!

    And then you are a member of the PUMA un-Party.

    Go ahead, try it.

  183. Lambert, I always read your posts, thank you for the caucus rundown. They are extremely un-Democratic and the popular vote should not be even tainted with this awfuly biased and corrupted means of delegate snatching.

  184. “If McCain wins it will be your fault,”

    it will be all your fault.. you horrible horrible person.

  185. Jona, the “Democratic: party abandoned its principles.

    We did not.

    One person, one vote.

    If your name is next to the vote cast, it belongs to the candidate.

    Al Gore would have been finishing his term had Democracy not been corrupted, and Obama and his cabal have corrupted Democracy.

    We shall not stand for it anymore.

    Obama is no progressive. His stance on green issues is a farce, voting for the Cheney Energy bill. He is not for Universal Healthcare, his education plan is copying the CEO run charter schools. And on & on.

    Don’t tell me that I’m not a democrat – you and your Chicago thuggery political gasbag is not a Democrat and never will be.

    PUMA!

  186. Don’t forget two headed babies

  187. Even Republicans are willing to settle with whatever candidate they are given by the process. Why do you Clinton supports haveto be such extremists? It makes no sense and really reflects poorly on you.

  188. Ah, well, that’s your opinion. I disagree that it reflects poorly on us to stick to our values.

  189. Jona, I will never vote for anyone who supports stealing votes, and that is exactly what Obama’s supporters on the RBC have done. I’ll vote Green Party if Hillary is not on the ballot. Oh, and by the way–PUMA!!

  190. #
    Jona, on June 2nd, 2008 at 5:25 pm Said:

    Even Republicans are willing to settle with whatever candidate they are given by the process. Why do you Clinton supports haveto be such extremists? It makes no sense and really reflects poorly on you.

    ROTFLMAO…if not being a mindless sheep makes me an extremist so be it.

    You’re probably one of those “democrats” that voted for Bush Jr. so he could “finish what he started” and because “well we haven’t been attacked since 2001 so he must be doing a good job”.

    This is why this country is in the state it is…the complacent bleeting masses that accept worthless leadership, cause, “everybody else is doing it”

    Three cheers for followers!

    Hip hip, go away!

    Hip hip, country is in disarray!

    Hip hip, what a shame!

  191. Oh yeah…I’m want a party of this P.U.M.A thing sounds fun!

  192. KENSCHELL, SWEETIE, no one has lost, so there is no sore loser award to give out just yet.

    You must not be in one of the multiple demographics that Obama and the DNC have tossed to the side, insulted, lied to, treated like abused children, and refuses to tell what it is he’s going to do for/to this country if we were to just brush away all they’ve done without them acknowledging it, apologizing for it, and doing something to prove they won’t do it again. Otherwise, you would know this is not about Hillary Clinton.

    She is the most qualified candidate. We support her and we know the only way to repair the party, and the country is with someone as capable and responsible as she is in the Whitehouse.

    OK, hon?

  193. WOW…I just found this site, thanks to NO QUARTER.

    It’s wonderful to read commentary from people who feel the very same way I do.

    I will NOT give up on Clinton. I will also not vote for that empty suit, Obama.

    And I WILL send the Senator some more money. But the DNC won’t get a frigging DIME from this Proud PUMA.

    Let them ask the Obamapunks for their beer, pizza and pot money. That crap will get old pretty quick with that bunch, I’ll bet.

  194. Jona, on June 2nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm Said:
    SM, that is rediculous. Obama and his “cabal” (I’m assuming you mean his campaign?) did not “corrupt Democracy” by any rational measure (at least anything I’ve seen so far does not fit the bill as rational).

    So you don’t think Obama, anyone associated with his campaign, or any of his supporters are progressive? At all? Really?

    If that is what you and others really see as the truth I have to ask myself how you can fool yourself so much? And even if there was an ounce of truth in what you say (and I’m not denying that Obama’s platform is not as progressive as Clinton’s) there is still a pretty large gap between Obama’s platform and the Republican’s.

    Let’s face it, if McCain wins we are certainly going to have at least four more years of war, growing economic inequality, environmental degredation and general rightwing policies. ANd why? Because Obama’s platform doesn’t seem as progressive as Clinton’s? I’m sorry, but that sounds worse than foolish to me.

    Jona, 8 years of Bush makes a girl grow some thick skin. So 4 of McCain will hurt, but it won’t kill me or other PUMAs.

    See, we are informed longtime Democratic voters, activists, supporters, etc. We are very active in the political process and have probaly lived long enough to know the past so we don’t repeat it in the future.

    I, like other PUMAs, have had it. Democracy was RAPED by your cadidate and his former Republican/Green party/Libertarian supporters.

    Don’t bother. Please. We know Obama & where he stands on everything. That’s why we chose Hillary. She’s more progrssive and covers all the bases. Universal Healthcare, Education, Foreign Relations, Security, Diplomacy, Domestic Reform, Green Energy (Solar/Wind/Geothermal – NO Nuclear!), on and on.

    So don’t bully us. We are battered and bruised by people like you and your candidate, those that believe that if you aren’t with them, you are against them.

    Guess what? You are right. We are not going to take it anymore. Bring on McCain. We’ll write Hillary’s anem in, we’ll vote for a third party candidate.

    Because we will not particiapte in the rape of democracy any longer. And THAT’s being a TRUE Democrat.

    I’m a PUMA Democrat and I approve this message.

  195. Congratulations riverdaughter, it looks like PUMA power is going to be a big success. And that’ s good for Senator Clinton, that’s good for us, and dammit, it’s good for the country. This is a country built by rugged individualists not a bunch of robots.

    PUMA POWER!

  196. I’d like a tie-dye puma. or a puma in a pantsuit.

    and shouldn’t our logo include…lipstick on a puma?

  197. Changed my party affiliation today from a democrat of 30 years to unaffiliated and I feel so clean. I no longer have to defend the indefensible actions of the RBC and the DNC.
    Puma party for Hillary !!!!!!!

  198. [...] this. Which is why many of us are highly skeptical, to say the least, of calls to unity (hence, the PUMA un-party ), especially when they’re followed by threats (Roe v. Wade!!!) or insults if we don’t [...]

  199. I am PUMA!!!

    No to the O!!!

  200. PUMA.

    Indeed. ‘Bout time.

    The DNC crossed the line on Saturday for me. They obviously don’t give flyin’ F about who votes for whom. So I’m sure they won’t mind when I vote for McCain.

    Never thought I’d say that. But I never thought the Dems would be the party to endorse voter fraud.

  201. With y’all’s permission, I’ll put your logo, slogans, etc on ‘gear’ at cafepress tonight.

    http://www.cafepress.com/hillaryormccain

    It will be nice to have some stuff with color images. So far all I’ve been able to make is black and white.

  202. [...] strongest supporters have even found a cute name for her new “non party” PUMA. PUMA stands for Party Unity My Ass. It has been interesting watching some of Hillary’s [...]

  203. [...] Posts The PUMA un-Party is bornMonday: PUMA Power Quitting? She’s WINNING — Why would she quit?Ready to Rumble?Rocky Mountain High: What happens in [...]

  204. I think the PUMA should be purple. Or blue…or silver.

    I like the pink but agree the Panther’s got that color, so the PUMA should be another.

    Green’s a great color but makes absolutely no sense.

    Purple is royal (royally pissed off? heh) and purple is the color that crosses and combines red/blue party designations.

    The purple could be bright, or it could be a more muted slate shade.

    Anyway, I was kind of surprised purple was left off the list upthread!

    I’m feeling the PUMA!

  205. Count me in! I wasn’t going to vote for McCain, yet since this has become so ugly and that the thought of the Democratic Party Pandering to white guilt and thoughtless latte bubble blowers, I must not think that by not voting, I actually voted for Obama. I am voting for McCain to make a strong statement to the Democratic Party. – You are not the boss of me! You serve the people. Why should we be afraid of our government, it should be afraid of our vote and voting for McCain and hopefully overwhelmingly will let them know exactly who is the boss of who.

  206. I received an email from my local Dems. It is below my answer.

    Dear (name omitted to protect their privacy),

    I find your call to unite the democratic base after the Obama campaign and Obama himself arrogantly and disdainfully trashed Hilllary Clinton, not to mention the Obama surrogates who twisted every opportunity and facts to suit the needs of Obama disingenuous.

    His complacency in the entire matter and even his refusal to acknowledge the hate mongers of his church as detrimental to the democratic party is shameful. Now, when we the Hillary supporters are disenfranchised by the put downs from Obama himself and his supporters it is a haughty disregard to ask those very people that are not being respected to join ranks with those who ridiculed and trashed the only candidate with substance that will be able to challenge McCain. Of course now that he knows he can’t win without not just the “latte” Democrats but the working class and the Latino vote, he has been pedaling his snake oil to these groups without success.

    It is up to Obama to heal the grievous affront his arrogant presumption and division has created. If he can in the light of all the unfortunate gaffs and lies he has come out with and unite voters, and not as the “pundits” and media have mentioned that Hillary Clinton is the divisive force here, then he needs to do just that. On the contrary it is his arrogance and complacency when it would have benefited the party for him to step forward and denounce the lies against her by his very people he cravenly remained silent.

    Party Unity My Ass (Puma)!

    Michelle L
    P.S.

    A copy of this answer has been sent to the DNC.

    —– Original Message —-
    From: (names deleted to protect their privacy.)
    To:
    Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 2:27:30 PM
    Subject: Most Important Thing about Convention

    Dear Delegate or Alternate,

    As we make our way to Austin for the State Democratic Convention, let’s
    remember our top priority – to win the November elections.

    Right now, we are in the process of selecting who will lead our
    Democratic Family to victory in the fall. The head of the family
    changes from time to time, but the family stays together.

  207. WHOOEEE! Count me in as a PUMA. I was a regular poster on TalkLeft. As TL will tilt towards Obama now, I needed a new home. Hopefully the PUMAS will march in Denver. We should all get Puma shirts and march in solidarity for Hillary Clinton.

    F**k Barack Obama and his friend Donnie McClurkin. Any well-informed, self-respecting homo would NEVER vote for that tool.

    Nobama loses two votes with me: Latino and gay.

    Great website. Look for me t to be here a LOT!

    VIVA HILLARY! MI HERMANA POR VIDA!

  208. Anybody up for a million-woman-march on Denver? The gals over at Hire Heels are fomenting one. I’d love to raise some hell in a PUMA shirt with my sister pumas.

  209. [...] action plan for PUMAs is: 1.) Dissociate yourself from the party. Tell them you will not be a party to its [...]

  210. PUMA,
    If you are an actual, organized party, I’m interested in joining, as I’m part of the “old coalition” of the Democratic party, though the “newer coalition keeps asking me for money & support.. The poisonous actions of the DNC killed any loyalty I had to the Democratic Party. It’s been taken over by a coalition of leaders determined to get Obama elected regardless of what most voters want, and they don’t care how they get it done.
    It’s time for a genuine third party that can nominate a candidate like Hillary who represents the true principles of Democracy and stands up for the middle & little folks. If you’re that party, I’d like to join.

  211. Patrick,

    Just hang out here at the confluence for further instructions. We are discussing the Rezko verdict on the latest post. Join us!

  212. I am so mad at the DNC and it members. I will vote for Nobama even if Hillary is the VP. I will be voting for McCain because the DNC has disrespected my and others values. I don’t trust him with our national security. Nobama is NOT a new politician. Read about how he won his IL sentate seat. He played old Chicago politics. Nobama does not have my values. If Hillary or McCain belonged to an anti-black church for 20+ years they would have be kicked out of Wash . Look what happened to Trent Lott for a comment. Nobama will not get my vote. The DNC has gone too far. I’m an Indy now. McCain will only run 1 term. He will get my vote this Nov. Hillary “2012″!! Don’t let the Dems scare you with Roe vs Wade. We’ve had 3 republican presidents in recent history and Roe vs Wade is still alive & well.

  213. Cool. I’m there.

  214. Although i have great disdain for an Obama Administration, m
    ygreatest disdain is for the DNC. Under Dr. Dean and Donna Brazile, they have systematically, and with purpose, dismantled the party that i have been a member of for the 20 some odd years i have been of voting age.

    To me, it is less important to worry about an Obama President than it is to worry where the DEM party plans to take itself. My responsibility, as i see it, is to fight against the type of disenfranchisement the DNC is promoting.

    http://tinyurl.com/6jlylx
    http://tinyurl.com/5putya

    My goal, as i see it, is to fight against the
    disenfranchisement the DNC is supporting. PUMA sounds good to me.

  215. My big screen TV is in the shop for repair and I am watching a small television. Last night I landed on one of the cable news channels and saw they had worked up a bio on BO like they did for Bill and Hill in the past. But the strange thing about this one was the title of the program, I know I got it right because I kept reading it in disbelief.

    It said, “THE MAKING OF A COM MAN”. I think it was MSNBC. I could not watch anything about Obama even with that title. Decided they screwed up their graphics. Unless it’s destroy BO time.

  216. OldYellowDog
    Brought this video to TM today..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkCNwqVw58c

    The fun begins………

  217. Rezko news by way of UK

    look out

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7564270

  218. I will not vote democrat in November if Hillary is not the nominee. When this all started I felt that I would. Who knew way back then that I’d see a team leader of O’s campaign threaten rape of a blogger right on Hillary’s OWN SITE and then when I reported it to B.O.’S campaign nothing was done. Two months later the team leader was still there. The media was in full swing woman hating mode, the DNC sat silent, and so did B.O> who was benefiting from it. Then came the bros before hos shirt, and all the rest.

    I was in D.C. for the rally. I sat as the party played fast and loose with democracy. I saw how caucus states were pre loaded with more delegates and how B.O. won mostly those states with rampant bullying and cheating.

    I watched tapes of Hillary delegates being harassed. I’ve not heard one peep from the DNC. And all the while rampant bullying went on all across the net. This has been the most disgusting “election process” I’ve ever seen.

    When Hillary won big, her supporters were portrayed as slack jawed cretins…again the party concurred with this and drove salt in every wound.

    They are no longer the democratic party I joined up to. They don’t stand for my beliefs anymore and they sure as hell did not speak up for me. Used my voice for causes and then refused to use their voice while abuse after abuse was hurled at women.

    This “party” can easily go on without me. My vote will be against them if they continue to support the man who has less qualifications, cheated in caucus states, disrespected me, screwed Alice Palmer to get where he is, and now is trying to do the same to Hillary Clinton, who never acknowledged that this was every bit as historical for me as anyone else, and on and on. What about this doesn’t the party understand.

    She has more votes. Democrats used to give a damn about counting votes. Apparently this “new” version doesn’t care about that and that I will NEVER support. Besides why should I vote for them in the G.E. when I’m not so sure my vote even matters to this bunch of manipulators.

    PUMA party sounds good to me. I would be disgraced to “unify” with what I saw go on here. I want NO PART Of it. NONE!

  219. I cannot support the extreme Left Wing of the democratic party. There was a choice between a Moderate Democratic and a leftist snob.

    Men for Hillary…!

  220. [...] our efforts will not be difficult. PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) is already on the job. More efforts on and off line will emerge. It is not difficult with modern [...]

  221. Where is the web site for PUMA? Lots of interest among folks but no place to sign up??

  222. John Kerry has a primary challenger Ed’OReilly. This coming Saturday, there will be a convention in Lowell, MA. If this challenger gets 15%, he will be on the ballot to challenge John Kerry in Sept. John Kerry is strongarming local politicians to prevent this from happening. Let’s lend a hand to Ed’ Oreilly!

    http://www.edoreilly.com/

    BTW, O’Reilly is a surpringly good progressive guy. He is a lawyer, very articulate. I did watch a interview with him on Boston TV station a while ago.

  223. http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0608/Duprey_defies_captions.html

    There’s the people you’ll be voting for if you vote for McCain! Still interested in a spite vote? Why?

  224. We are tired of the obamabots…be gone.

    McCain for 08 Experience counts, even Black folks want it.

  225. Hillary has a lot more class and brains than the group over here supposedly working for her.

    http://tinyurl.com/5e6naa

  226. Thats ok pffffft we contacted the animal and she said it was ok. And we wont be losers if McCain wins! Go back to LaLa Land with your new messiah and leave the people with brain cells alone.

  227. Just a reality check for those Hillary supporters who plan to vote McCain. Copy/pasted from McCain’s website:

    Overturning Roe v. Wade

    John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

    Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

  228. Bob: You are late to this party. Roe has always been a Republican game. They aren’t going to get rid of it.
    But if they do, then young women will have to fight for it all over again. They had a choice. They could have chosen the woman. They have to live with the consequences. It is not our obligation to indulge them in their irresponsible behavior to vote for a man who doesn’t want to represent the base.

  229. If, God forbid, my daughter needs an abortion, I’m not going to see her go to some back street coat hanger merchant of death. That’s why, whatever I might think about him or his friends, I will, ultimately, reluctantly, support Barack Obama, because President John McCain will move to end safe, legal, abortion over large swathes of this country.

  230. The solution is to WRITE IN HILLARY. She won’t win that way but at least the Repugs won’t get our votes.

  231. Dear Angry Friends,

    I want to share with you MLK’s words on the day before he was assassinated

    “Now, what does all of this mean in this great period of history? It means that we’ve got to stay together. We’ve got to stay together and maintain unity. You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the slaves fighting among themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh’s court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that’s the beginning of getting out of slavery. Now let us maintain unity.” Martin Luther King, “I’ve Been to the Mountaintop,” April 3rd, 1968.

    1968-2008 Forty Years
    http://msa4.wordpress.com/

  232. pffffft I don’t want to get into a flame war with an Obama Bully but I want you to know that I would be compromising my values if I voted for Obama. I’m an American first and believe Obama would be a disaster for this county. I’ll choose McCain this fall over Obama not because I like all his ideas but because I trust him more not to harm the country. Then in four years maybe the Democrats will come to their senses let Democrats, actually elect the parties nominee in a democratic fashion. By the way I’m a male not female so come up with a more appropriate hate word to describe me and many of the commentators on this blog.

  233. Mitchell — perhaps you should share those words with the side that started the civil war within the progressive coalition, that took over the party through a scorched-earth campaign of character assassination, and that openly proclaims its prejudices against the major groups that make up the coalition.

    You and your friends can just run along now, and play “unity” all by yourselves.

  234. I have been reading many blogs on Hillary Clinton… I have to admit that at the beginning I was not her supporter, but the more I learned about her the more I realized she was the most qualified candidate and the only electable one. She spoke truth, she laid down ways of getting things done… she had a platform.

    Some of my favorite comments from other blogs are listed below and I want to pass these gems on to the rest of you:

    “If the Press had been more responsible and exposed Obama earlier he would NEVER have won as many states as he did. The media suppressed the information for months and let voters be decieved. They attacked Hillary and puffed up Obama trying to run this election. Voters deserved to be informed of Obama’s associations with Anti American, racist, white hating, criminals and terrorists. It goes to the man’s judgement of who he chooses to be in the company with.”

    AND

    “When did the “Democratic” Party lose its way? When did it become okay to remove a citizen’s vote? Who cares who is complaining about it and for what purpose. We should all, as Americans, be outraged by such conduct by the DNC.

    Also, Hillary didn’t complain yesterday, she’s been talking about the situation since January, since the voting began. Did she change her mind from last year? Perhaps, but so what? Do you think the voters in FL and MI care that she changed her mind? Don’t you think they just wnat to have their voice heard?
    I can’t wait to see Obama go down in flames in November. The Audacity of Arrogance will get him in the end, as it will with all his supporters, and I’m going to enjoy every moment of it, after the way my candidate and her supporters have been treated during this whole campaign.

    By the way, before you begin calling me racist, uneducated, stupid, delusional, etc. I am a biracial member of the Green Party and I have an advanced degree. Now what?”

    AND

    “Obama totally misses the point that with the closest race in presidential history, no one should have their vote left out. It would be different if this was 1980 and Senator Kennedy was behind by 700 delegates and all the contests were over. But this is the closest IN HISTORY. Obama can never hope to have those Clinton people back if the votes are not counted. It will feel like along with shoving Hillary out and disrespecting her every moment that she ran (like women aren’t used to that in life!), that she was cheated by at least winning the popular vote in order to make her campaign’s case to superdelegates. No matter how pretty Mr. Obama is and how beautifully he speaks, there isn’t a speech in the world that will make coming together possible if the votes are not counted and if Hillary Clinton isn’t the VP. Thanks for letting me comment.”

    AND LAST OF ALL

    “Women have been messed over for many years by the Democrat Party and it appears that millions of “US” will be returning the favor, should this primary season continue on its current path. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best choice to be our party’s nominee for President. As a life-long Democrat, age 55, I think the way my party has hosed Hillary and their most loyal and largest voting block; women intolerable. I am confident the Democrat Party will pay a severe price for this blatant assault on women in November. Cry all you want about this being “sour grapes” but little good will result from your on-going efforts to rally Hillary’s staunch supporters around your chosen candidate instead of the people’s choice. Now, the Democrat Party leaders want women to get their pre- selected from the start, elite, wimp, Barack Obama elected in November. It will be cold day in hell before I comply and I also hope Hillary walks away from this Party. Most of the women, and many men as well, with whom I have contact are finished with the Democrat Party, now and forever. Also, many of “US” are starting a grassroots movement to insure these kind of sorry tactics employed by my now soon to be former party, never happen again. This clear favoring of Obama, making him the nominee because the party doesn’t want a woman, especially a Clinton woman, is more that I can tolerate. Of all the gall, the Democrat Party now expects “US” girls, including Hillary, to turn over our undying support to Obama. Sorry guys, this is not going to happen. Obama has no shot of winning in November without Hillary’s help and all of us, her supporters. Not on your life or in your wildest dreams is this going to happen. “

  235. It makes no sense to vote for Obama if you believe in Dem Party principles. You think the friend of Wright, Rezko, Pfleger, and Ayers and other who he “doesn’t agree with” will choose Supreme Court justices who believe in the right of privacy. You want the man who voted ‘present’ on NARAL matters to protect your rights? If he makes a bad choice, the Dem Senate will rubber stamp it.

    Better to protect your rights by having McCain look for confirmable judges.

    I, for one, will never trust Obama with my vote.

  236. One thing we will have to face, all the anger in the world will not change the new voters, black support or educated white men and women. The numbers are not there. All we can do is vote or not vote. This will only alienate are members and tarnish everything Hillary has worked for. It will also make it harder for her in congress in the future. The young people and many other groups are not with us. We must acknowledge this.

  237. [...] I give you the new political force in the Democrat Party, PUMA – Party Unity My Ass! The Party Unity My Ass un-Party (PUMA) was born yesterday. We already have many new members. But, [...]

  238. Is it true as I think I heard on CNN???…. NObama was in golf clothes and going golfing while Hillary (who very much sounded presidential) was conceeding???

  239. Face the facts Michelle…. You were dupped by the media and Obama… You are so young… but there are many young people who were not and were Hillary supporters, black and white,young and old, men and women, educated and blue collar workers who were not… apparently the Rev. Wright way of doing things dupped you… Obama took 20 years of lessons from the man!!!

  240. A question was just posed (on the Hillary board) at to the overall purpose of PUMA.

    Wanting to share it with you and open it up for discussion, this is my take:

    I would contend that PUMA — for at least June through November — exists primarly to prevent Barack Obama from winning the White House in 2008.

    After November — given a McCain victory — I would contend that PUMA would strive to reform and rebuild the Democratic Party to be the party that America had *thought* it was voting into power in 2006.

    Or — given an Obama victory — I would contend that PUMA would strive to become a 3rd Party that would draw in Centrists, Moderates, Independents, Conservative Democrats, and Liberal Republicans… with Election Reform at the top of its platform.

  241. Obama has no integrity or principles. He threw his grandmother under the bus, he threw Wright under the bus, he threw Pflegger under the bus, and he threw Rezko under the bus. The democratic party and Hillary Clinton made a big mistake supporting him.

  242. puma pac = people united mean action

    puma party = party unity my ass

    :) same goals

    pumas have united in this coalition:

    http://www.justsaynodeal.com

  243. DEMOCRATS VOTE DEMOCRATIC!

  244. To anybody who heard or read the news article in the (London?) Times that Bob Dylan came out with a “ringing endorsement” of Barack Obama, let it be known that he apparently did NOTHING OF THE SORT. he gave an interview intended to discuss his drawings and other artwork, and at the end the interviewer asked him one question on his view of the US political campaign. If you read the interview, or even the quote, closely, all he really did was mention Obama’s name!

    http://www.nme.com/news/bob-dylan/37146

    Dylan has never in 40 years endorsed a candidate or expressed a preference in an election. The only one I’m aware of is the one in his recent book where he says his favorite politician was Barry Goldwater!
    Although it’s quite possible he’d do it now for the first time (he’s done the unexpected many times before), there is only one source for this story, an edited transcript of an interview devoted to something else. So far there’s no independent evidence for this interview.

    And, if one believes he wasn’t sincere or was joking in his remark about Goldwater, then why believe he’d be sincere in a remark about Obama?

    If you want to read a real endorsement of Obama by a singer, compare Dylan’s with the one by Joan Baez last February:

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/04/6833/

    the differences should be palpable.

  245. Interesting site. So should John McCain win over a democrat. IDK, I was planning on voting for him when Hillary dropped out but that’ll all depend on the vp picks.

  246. I know if I prayed enough, the Lord would come to my aid and share my viewpoints.. In fact, it is funny but in an email to the DNC, I used the same words.. ‘Party Unity My Ass !’…. Maybe I formed this movement.. !
    Anyhow, Thanks for doing this.. With you all the way..
    When we all educate the public about the organization, ‘truly’ running Obama’s campaign, Even 50 per cent of his supporters will not vote for him..
    David Axelrod’s parents worked for a ‘major’ Communist backed magazine..! Obama had a ‘mentor’ named ‘Frank Davis’ in Hawaii…who was as Communist as they come..!!! When you add in.. that crazy anti American pastor, and the Catholic Priest who loves Satan more than God….we begin to see the ‘empty suit’ is truly filled with ‘darkness’…

    We all know Hillary is ‘just going along’…holding her delegates,, and we are ‘all’ ‘ready to strike’ for her at the convention…Smart women… and should be our next President…
    Obama, his campaign, and people like Axelrod around him.. are a FRAUD… Tell them I said so…

  247. [...] seems Hillary’s supporters are really taking this seriously: Monday: PUMA Power The Confluence Can you say “Soar losers?” __________________ Enemies Among Us- My [...]

  248. I will not allow the Democratic party to pursuade me to vote for Obama. They think the American people are a bunch of dumb asses whose vote really does not matter. I guess the vote part is true and if Obama is elected the dumb asses part is true too. We need to stand up for ourselves and get the word out to not let the media and democratic party make a bunch of fools out of us. Write in Hilary’s name or vote for John McCain. Staying home will not help. I have voted for a Democratic candiate for 18 years and this will be the first election where I am so ticked off at how my nominee was treated that I WILL cross lines. The Democratic party needs to open their eyes. Stop splitting our votes and listen to what we want as a whole. Al Gore got screwed and now Hilary. When will we put a stop to this insanity.

  249. Dear PUMAs,

    Please do not vote for McCain. Also, for the record, the Clintons have a history of blaming other people/groups for their mistakes (they are hardly teenagers and neither am I!).

    I respect your right to your views, but not McCain-please. I really think he will have too much trouble moving away from Bush policies-very dangerous waters.

    Vote in protest for Nader-but don’t overdo it. I suspect many Republican/Independents will vote for Ron Paul or the Libertarian candidate-Oh, what a year!

  250. they remove any democrat statements ive madfe post and they have eliminated them this board is a hoax
    [mike g: This is not a hoax. This is a refuge from abuse at other forums. You are not welcome here, Into the spam filter you go. -- RonK]

  251. Jonathan,

    You’ll find that the definition of a majority is more than half, rule of thumb being half plus one is a majority. Hillary Clinton got half plus 300,000 or so. That means that the majority of voters did not choose Obama, they chose Hillary.

  252. Jeff, you are right. We all should have rallied around Clinton like there was no tomorrow … but we did what we did. Now it is time to do something else based upon what we did not do before. Better to do it now than fail to learn from our past mistakes, eh? We just gotta do what we can in every possible way.

  253. I won’t vote for McCain, AND I won’t be voting for Obama. I’m voting for Hillary. If the party wants my vote, they better run Hillary.

    The anti-Clinton wing of the Democratic Party did it. They were incredibly sharp and shrewd about it. People said Hillary never saw Obama coming. Perhaps it was us who did not see the DNC coming. I’m not against Obama–he’s probably a nice fellow, but he’s a tool of the anti-Clinton wing of the party (the same wing that keeps giving us candidates that lose GEs). The DNC failed to consider the depth of loyalty from Hillary’s base. That’s where we come in!

    First things first: Go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com and make a donation. Do it from her site, not his. We’ll get her out of debt ourselves.

    Second thing: let’s get organized. We have until August.

  254. I think there’s always a vocal few who reflect badly on an entire group, but I think you’d be surprised by the breadth and depth of support for Hillary you find among many of us in the Obama campaign.

    For myself and so many of my women friends, I think we’ve felt deep respect for the contribution that Hillary’s made behalf of all women, and to the party, yet support Obama as well. I think the candidate himself is on the same page with us there.

    Anyway, I see where your coming from – Everyone has to go through their own personal “vetting process” for any candidate, but I just wanted to bring up that point.

  255. Melissa — If you had all that “deep respect”, you would’ve parted company with Obama a long time ago (like I did).

    Do you have any idea what kind of impression it makes to run a scorched-earth campaign for 10 months, where no tactic no matter how low down dirty off the table, and then show up looking for “dialogue”?

    My priorities re Obama are the same as my priorities re George W Bush. Keep him out of power if possible, do damage control after the fact if necessary.

    Obama could start — like George C Wallace did in his later days, or like Lee Atwater reportedly did on his deathbed — by confessing and repenting some of the things he’s done out of political ambition.

    Fat chance.

  256. So we need to stay organized. I’m in Seattle (crazy BHO poser territory, major hipster fratbag galore).One thing I’m confused about with regard to Michigan is why he got ANY votes as his name was not on the ballot. How exactly did that work. This is a valid point which was never discussed at RBC meeting. this is such a freaking inside job it’s crazy. I’m a 45 year old married woman living in Seattle and I’m pissed. I have been a Democract since I was 10 years old and listened to my parents argue about McGovern and Nixon(Dad nixon Mom MCGovern) and it was then I decided I was a Democrat. I feel like I’m going through an identity crisis. Anyone else feeling that way? Dude Where’s My Party? This is a great site and a great movement, let’s keep it up! I remember when Moveon was in it’s infancy(well it’s still infantile) and was “censureandmoveon” let’s stay focussed and give these thugs a run for their money. Viva Democracy!

  257. When you finally know you have had enough and you will never go back and nothing they can say and do will Change your mind. That is now. I have had ENOUGH.

  258. PJ, all your points have been argued and counter-argued here.

    We will NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. We will not support a CHEATER and A VOTE STEALER.

    We will not support Howard Dean’s DNC den of theivery.

    Go back to the O-borg and report that mission to recruit has failed.

  259. Media, if Dubya, Bush father, Reagan, and Ford didn’t overturn Roe v Wade, it ain’t gonna happen now.

    You take care of your reproductive organs, and I’ll take care of mine.

    GO AWAY TROLL!

  260. JK, your candidate had CNN ads running here in FL (i’m an FL voter).

    GO AWAY. We will not vote for him. Ever.

  261. I assume that this post will be deleted too, so I guess it’s just a message for SM or whoever reads/deletes these things. I’m hardly a hardcore obama supporter, I had no bias before the primary, and I feel that either he or Hillary would be an excellent candidate. Yes, I did vote for Obama, but I am still a little concerned that he may turn out to be a fraud. Honestly, I’d rather have Edwards but that hasn’t been a reality for a long time. If Obama wins and turns out to be a fraud, then I have only myself to blame. Anyway, I’m not really trying to convince you, I’ve read all these posts and doubt that anyone could convince you. Besides, who’s to say you aren’t right here? We’ll fine out (maybe). The bottom line for me is that while I find McCain a lot more tolerable than some republicans, I was going to vote for the democratic nominee if it was Hillary or Obama. I just don’t see any political reality for getting Hillary on the ticket, so I will be voting for Obama in the fall. Sorry.

  262. The brain washing stops here! P.U.M.A. United for a fair and honest representation of everyone in The United States Of America!

  263. wow way to delete comments you fucking cowards.

  264. PJ, & Kelly, so why are you here?

    You made your decision, we have made ours.

    Leave us alone.

  265. Good riddance to bad rubbish… Please please please go Republican, the Republican party needs more people like you. Though i’m betting if you pulled something similar within the Republican ranks they would probably just laugh at you.

  266. Why would intelligent, sensible women even consider voting for McCain? Do you care about health care issues? Do you care about a women’s right to make her own decisions? Are you against compulsory pregnancy? Do you want to vote for a man who respects women, especially strong opinionated women?
    http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/john-mccains-first-wife.html

    Then vote for your own best interest – vote for Obama.

    I hope to see a women president in my lifetime, but Hillary was way too old school politics for my taste. Learn more about Obama, and then join me in strengthening our party, the Democratic party.

  267. I’m glad to see so many over on our side. Barack Bin Laden has no place in the white house or even running for president. All he will do is let terrorists and communists take over and destroy our christian land. Once again thank Jesus Christ our lord and savior god that we will win with McCain!

  268. so… who wants more no child left behind? Who wants more conservative supreme court justices? who wants to decrease ALL funding for reproductive health and family planning clinics? who wnts abstinence only education? who wants for more years of Iraq? Who wants four more years of a miserable economy? who wants five dollar a gallon gas? what about continued tax breaks to unregulated giant corporations that can continue to get ecoli in our spinach, poison in dog food, lead in children’s thomas the tank engine toys.

    Im sorry. If you vote for McCaine, you get everything you deserve. We did already with Bush, and then with Bush again.

  269. I’m sorry that Hillary lost, but I will be even more sorry that we will lose America with four more years of McBush

  270. To all the Obama astroturfers who just showed up – what the hell are you doing here? You are convincing no one. Obama ran a scorched earth campaign for months. The lines have been crossed – we’re done with him.

    However, a friendly piece of advice – if you ever encounter some folks whose minds are not already made up, you should find a better way to communicate with them. It sounds to me like you’re only basking in your own self-righteousness.

  271. SM,

    I just wanted to respond because I felt my intentions were misinterpreted in the first post. Don’t worry, you won’t see me around here again.

  272. PJ, good.

    We will not be assimilate into the O-borg.

    A lot of us don’t know whether we’ll stay home, vote McCain or Green party.

    But what we do know is what millions of people saw on live TV.

    The DNC & RBC fixed the election so that Hillary never had a chance. Votes and voices were halved and silenced, and given to candidate that did not win them in the first place.

    We will NOT vote for Obama, not now, nor in November.

  273. I will not vote for Obama not even if Hillary is on the ticket. I think Obama is a fraud. I think Oprah just wants to see a black man in the WhiteHouse at any cost. I think Hillary was our only chance to make this country great again.

  274. Great great great! I am so happpy to see that loyal real democrats are standing up for what we believe in rather than being steamrolled by bias media and washingtons boys club politics. At this point my vote is not for Hillary or democrats even, its AGAINST Obama. Do I think MCcain is the best candidate? No, but I know what im getting and know he has real experience and character atleast. I am so outragd by what the DNC and high ranking dems have done that I am going to re register as anything but democrat. McCain 08, Clinton 2012!

  275. I love it – speak against your goddess and get deleted. You don’t want any dialog here, just your own self-absorbed whining to one another without perspective.

    Have at it!

  276. I guarantee come November–when you’ve all blown off a little steam at sites like this–the DNC and Obama supporters like myself will have talked you back to the true fold. And in any case– GREAT MEN LIKE SEN. OBAMA ONLY COME AROUND ONCE IN A GENERATION AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOW YOU TO DESTROY OUR DREAM!

  277. [...] stands for Party Unity My Ass.  Its quite catchy, and the logo works well.  Its just that the sentiment underneath it all is [...]

  278. Bri Koca & Jeff.

    Obama destroyed our dream, it was called DEMOCRACY.

  279. I will be checking back regularly to see if this evolves into an organized effort. As an independent I was never particularly concerned about party unity but I understand that may be an issue for long time members of the democratic party.

    From what I read over on the site, “Hillary is 44″ there seems to be some confusion over what states you can write in Hillary’s name without the vote counting for Obama and what states you can’t vote for Democrats downticket if you vote for McCain.

    Providing accurate information on these issues would seem to be a good start.

    I would love to see a T-shirt which reads “McCain 2008 and beneath that “Clinton 2012″ with any profits either going to McCain or, if possible, a fund earmarked for Clinton in 2012.

    I realize 4 or 5 months is a long time but I can’t imagine the outrage will have diminished all that much by the time the General Election rolls around. I feel like the DNC new “Old Boy Network” (i.e.: Kennedy, Kerry, Patrick, et al) sold me out. Do they really think the irrational fear of a few McCain judicial nominations which would surely be vetoed by the overwhelmingly Democratic Congress will scare me into voting for Obama?

    ~CSK

  280. the fact is that Hillary lost the nomination within the defined process of the democratic primary.
    By the way, stop raising the issue of Michigan. How can you evevn pretend it was an fair election when their was only one name on the ballot? do you you live in the soviet union or a banana republic?
    the mere fact that she was the only one to keep her name on that ballot and then present that argument it should be counted shows her lack of ethics.

  281. Thomas, Kucinich and Gravel we also on the MI ballot together with Hillary.

    Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Biden took their names OFF to game the system.

    Obama stole votes & delegates that did not belong to him.

    Obama is an illegitimate candidate.

  282. Thomas D:

    There was more than one name on the ballot, and the reason Obama wasn’t on it was he took his name off.

    He therefore has no right to any of the votes.

    BTW – I guess you would agree that Obama’s first election “victory” was illegimate since he was the only person on the ballot, after challenging the others so he could run unopposed.

  283. I live in Las Vegas, Nv, which is a traditionally red state. Our caucus went for Hillary but only two of our superdelegates endorsed her. They are both strong democratic women. One is running for reelection to the house of representatives and the other is running for a first term. We plan to work for and support their campaigns. Our third congressional member is Harry Reid who endorsed Obama.. He is not up for reelection until 2010 so we are already looking for a strong candidate to challenge him at that time. Then, we will work very hard to elect McCain as our President.. If we can win enough seats in the House and Senate to have a strong majority, I don’t see a problem. McCain has a record of working across party lines and he is a moderate rather than a far right hard liner. With the proper checks and balances in place and a willingness to work together by both the Congress and the President, this could be the most prodictive administration in history. I think we could find a way out of Irag, have universal healthcare, bring jobs back from other countries and regain our standing in the world. I plan on working for and supporting my two democratic Representatives and also working for and supporting Senator McCain. So do a number of my friends. We feel a strong democratic congress with a Republican administraion is the best we can hope for t this time.

  284. CSK – in most states you onlu get a ballot based on your party affiliation in the primary electon. In the general election in November, you get a complete ballot with all the candidates, both Republicans and Democrats and non partisan offices. You vote for whoever you choose. So, you could vote for McCain at the top ot the ticket and vote for democrats downticket. Write ins are trickier and each state has their own rules about that.

  285. America will NEVER elect a negroid or a woman to be the President of this great country. All of you darkies and bra burners need to do the smart thing and vote for McCain – A Real American Hero. PUMA is doing the smart thing by voting McCain. Thanks PUMA and God Bless America!!!!!!!!!

  286. Congratulations, James. You have managed to be megaoffensive to all concerned in one sentence. You are not a credit to the South.

  287. two words – shut up !!!!!! advice for all of you go ride a bike or plant flowers mow your lawn go for a walk and let it be really life is not this complicated ya all give me a bad head ache –WILL oh and obama gona wipe the talbe with mcsame with or with out you !!!!!

  288. If you really want to see obamamania at its peak, as well as lack of respect for Hillary Clinton, you might want to visit a website owned by MSNBC called Newsvine.

    http://www.newsvine.com

  289. While I am not a Hillary fan she is certainly better than Obama and McCain (running on his own) many of us in Virginia have been begging her to either run as an independent (the polls show her beating McCain by 8 points and McCain beating Obama by four) or running with McCain. Obama and his nutty band of followers are dangerous; get out of Iraqi and give the oil reserves to Iran, Hamas and Al-Qaeda so next time it will not be a plane but an atomic weapon. (We should never have gone into Iraqi but now we not afford to leave it).

  290. I’m voting republican!

  291. The MSM is clearly mortified that we Hillary supporters would vote for a republican. The answer is simple. Reagan Dems, are now McCain Dems. Mr.Obama has made it very clear, with his statements on white-working-class peoples, he is out-of-touch. Add the membership to an anti-white church, and the choice becomes clear. I have worked for minority rights, forever…..I cannot vote for anyone who is that off-base, when it comes to human unity. Coming together can never work, unless all peoples are treated equally, with respect, and humility. He is not there. I love him, I wish him the best, but I cannot vote for him. Hopefully, he will learn to embrace all peoples, without bias.
    Good Luck, To All.

  292. how sad this all is. Is making the american people suffer another 4 years of McCain/Bush worth it? Is another american GI being killed in a McCain never ending war worth it? how much suffering are you all willing to inflict on us all for your political “satisfaction?”

  293. James is an Obama supporter trying to make voting for McCain seem like voting with the KKK. And this is just one of the tricks B.O. ers will use from the “vote for Obama or you’re a racist” category. We’ve got to keep on our toes if we’re going to hang tough for the next five months. PUMAS!

  294. Rh, McCain is not Bush. Conservatives hate McCain because of his liberal views, at worst he’s a moderate. Rh is another Troll trying to break our ranks with the ridiculous Obama mantra that McCain is Bush 3. But we don’t even have to vote for Mc, as long as we don’t vote with for an ObamaNation.

  295. To chatblu :
    I am a credit to the South as well as my race my friend.The majority of white Southerners, as well as many members of PUMA, share my views. The time for being politically correct is over. We need to speak our minds before we end up with a president who does not represent OUR VIEWS, OUR RACE, and most importantly OUR COUNTRY!!!!! Stop being cowards and speak your mind!!!!! PUMA members are doing the right thing by voting for John McCain.
    Thanks PUMA and God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!

  296. Jeff, you avoid my questions. What will be your moral justification for the parents whose child dies from the never ending war? For the poor and unemployed faced with Mccain’s “economic policy?” for the loss of our civil liberties if mccain gets to appoint supreme court judges? These are real questions – deal with them honestly!

  297. William, what exactly is the difference between “white working class peoples” and the black working class? why is this distinction (”white”) important to you?

  298. You are not wanted here rh troll. go find some BO site.
    This one’s for Pumas to rally around our cause, you’re wasting your time, check out your own honesty, lier.

  299. jeff, apparently you can’t dialog but only hurl insults? Interesting you can’t address the issues – just name call…. is that the new party you want?

  300. Makes sense for you to vote for McCain – after all, you wouldn’t want to protect a civil liberty like reproductive freedom. Last time I looked, HILLARY is supporting OBAMA – at least she has the sense to know our liberties are important – you obviously don’t – and pulled down my previous post – as I knew you would – even though I supported Hillary – you guys are like NAZI’s – censor all that doesn’t support your narrow, meglomaniacal view – let’s see – I bet this one lasts maybe 15 minutes before you once again try to erase the voice of dissent – just like a fascist. I’m glad the Hillary I support isn’t associated with your HATE page.

  301. So what you are saying is that because YOU didn’t get your way, you are willing to deny all future generations of women their reproductive health and freedoms by voting in McCain who will have the opportunity to pick two ANTI -pro-choice supreme court justices. WTG you whining sniveling ego-centricists. I’m glad I (who joined NOW in 1972) taught my daughter (now 30 years old) that meaning of TRUE feminism. I am nauseated by your grade-school mentality. McCain is welcome tp you and I hope you and your daughters enjoy the results – but you won’t have to suffer the results because fortunately, there are far more persons concerned about regaining the White House than about not getting their way. I notice Hillary is supporting Obama ( and I supported Hillary) – so I guess you never really were true Hillary supporters – just cry-babies – and thanks Connie for demonstrationg hw stupid and narcissistic YOU are – I’m sure you losers are too chicken to post this – it makes sense!!

  302. Am I crazy or did I see a pro-puma post on here from someone in John McCain’s campaign? That is big news. I was going to link to it for a cnn piece and for some reason it’s down. Why would the site take that down? It’s not offensive is it?

  303. This PUMA group is run by idiots, for idiots. All women should ponder what will happen if McCain gets elected: yes that’s right, abortion rights will be out the window. The fact is, there were not many policy differences between Obama and Clinton, but miles of differences between both of them and McCain. Obama’s platform is strong, and he’s an excellent candidate. Listen, I was for Kerry in ‘04, but I soon accepted he lost and moved on. Clinton lost, accept it and move on. Be adults about this!

  304. Adama, we’ve had 5 Republican presidents since Roe v. Wade was instituted and NOT ONE was able to take it away. McCain will not do so either.

    Obama on the other hand is courting the evangelicals who want to do away with it. Obama is a political shapeshifter who’ll do anything to please his $$$ supporters. I fear Obama would do away with Roe v Wade as he has no respect for women anyways.

    GO AWAY – we will NOT vote for a VOTE STEALER and a CHEATER.

  305. I received an e-mail invitation to a reelection campaign kickoff for the state senator who represents my district today. I sent the following response.

    Ms. Pierce,

    Please thank Senator Horsford for the invitation to attend his reelection kickoff. But I will not be able to attend.

    After acting as precinct chairperson at the caucus and a delegate for Hillary Clinton at the county and state conventions, I reached the conclusion that the democratic party I knew and supported has almost completely self destructed. That conclusion was reinforced by the Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31st. When a political party tells voters that the delegates, not the voters, are the determining voice in selecting a nominee for the most important office in this country, the system has failed the people who support it. When the DNC, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and others like them pressure superdelegates to endorse a candidate when less than half the states have voted, and two states are deprived of their voices and votes, the candidate cannot be legitimate. When superdelegates like State Senator Horsford endorse Barack Obama when his district and state selected Hillary Clinton as their choice, it is even more obvious that the will of the people is not important.

    So, like many of my family members, friends and neighbors, I took the opportunity last week to go to the county election office and change my party affiliation. I feel very sure that the Republicans will not only welcome my support but will listen to my voice and count my vote. Under normal circumstances, I would wish Senator Horsford good luck in his bid for reelection. However, these are not normal times for my country. I sincerely hope that he and the other superdelegates that arrogantly ignored the voters in their districts and states find themselves in the fight of their lives in their attempts to hold onto their seats. My wish for this country now is that the only true American and patriot who is running for the presidency wins in November. God bless and help Senator John McCain.

    Thank you,

  306. You poor kool-aid drinkers who think Obama will be an advocate for women should check the facts. BO is supposed to be a man who supports a woman’s right to choose. But as a state senator, BO voted ‘present’ on seven abortion bills where he could have made a difference and the choice was clear. Instead, he chose politcal cover over taking a stand. He’s all for Obama, not for women or anyone else.

  307. I’m a 62 yr old 2nd generation Irish-American woman married 27 yrs to a Puerto Rican with relatives of every hue so Obama’s slightly tan skin color doesn’t faze me. I saw President Kennedy in LA when I was a teenager and shook his hand in the Cow Palace in San Francisco months later. My whole family have always been Democrats (it’s a large one, Irish Catholics, you know,)( though I’ve been in recovery since I was in college) My whole family has decided to vote for McCain because that is an actual vote AGAINST Obama, whereas not voting or writing-in Hillary in states where it’s allowed is a vote not counted. We have a Democatic Congress and can survive 4 yrs of McCain; can we survive any time with Obama? Is everyone familiar with “know your enemy”? Read “dreams from my father” and you’ll realize that Obama’s agenda just possibly may be division (of the races) not unity. Imagine Michelle as First Lady telling the world that it’s problems are the fault of mean white Americans who she hates too. By the way, have you noticed the grammar and spelling from the Obama supporters? If that sounds mean, remember Obama’s camp is saying that he has most of the young/college-educated people as supporters. Where are they ? Dean and the DNC decided that we Floridians who had to vote when the polls were open are only half-people. I get to cast a whole vote for McCain in November. Dean actually e-mailed me last week asking for money and I replied that I had sent a small amount to Hillary but no longer considered myself a Democrat since he (Dean) didn’t consider me a whole citizen!

  308. lejean, didn’t you take the hint? get lost….

  309. I thought I was alone
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  310. Felix keep your rants to yourself. please leave and don’t come back.. we don’t want what you’re selling. bye.

  311. Arpad, so if Obama is soooooo liberal:

    Why is Obama opposed to Universal Healthcare? Why is he siding with Republicans on this issue?

    Where’s are Green Energy policy that doesn’t involve Obama’s main $$ donor – Execelon Nuclear Power? Why did Obama signed the Cheney Energy Bill – which means MORE OIL EXPLOITATION?

    Why is Obama pushing for privatization of Social Security JUST LIKE THE REPUBLICANS?

    Why is Obama pushing for charter schools and not reiforce and fund PUBLIC EDUCATION, one of the truest liberal democratic tenets?

    Why did Obama lavishly praise Reagan, the creator of the Neo-conservative movement and one fo the WORST PRESIDENTS in history?

    Because OBAMA is a closet Republican, just like you and his followers.

    Go back to the O-borg, you arguement is WEAK and tired. Mission to recruit has FAILED.

  312. lquemado, how dare you tell me to “let it go”. I will exercise my right to vote my conscience. If you don’t like it too bad for you. now run along, you’re propaganda is unwanted here. same for you arpad…bye bye sweeties..

  313. quemado how appropriate…..just like obama…toast see ya!

  314. AAE,
    Then why won’t you fight with us, to nominate the people’s choice in this election, the winner of the popular vote, HIllary Clinton. FIght for Democracy!

    You are so cynical. Snap out of it. We are making a difference.

  315. Sorry AAE, read your piece too fast.

  316. Mitch,
    Before you go off and assume why we won’t vote for Obama. Why don’t you read some of the posts on this sight, and then head over to http://JustSayNoDeal.com

    Your assertion that it is because we are simply upset that Clinton is not the nominee, then you do not understand where we are coming from.

    First read. Then come and have a discussion.

  317. arpad,

    Obama supporters say they want a discussion, but then they immediately start the insults. I will tell you what I told Mitch. Go and educate yourself about the Democratic opposition to Obama. You guys spent the entire primary banning us from blogs, driving us out with insult and intimidation. Now that there is something here you are interested in, why don’t you read a little bit about it first, and then we can discuss.

    :)

  318. I am sorry I banned no one from Blogs. I don’t have a blog

  319. I have read them and then and you make no sense. What is your point exactly. That would prefer to have John McBush who wants to open up all offshore sanctuaries to drilling, extend the war in Iraq indefinitely, extend tax cuts to the rich, continue thety grossly failed Bush Economics, overturn Roe v Wade. McBush voted with Bush 95% of the time. If that is what you stand for then become a Republican, Otherwise join Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy in seeing this election ius about saving our planet, saving our soldiers lives, and siaving our livelihoods and being a president to all states not just blue states and support Barack Obama.

  320. Medinacit@hotmail.com

    We are all brothers and sisters united under this party. Yes what happened is unfair but we need to all get together. Please folks I have no ill will towards any of you. But this country, this environment cannot afford more of republicans. The president has dug us into a hole for 8 years we need a democrat to help us get out. He is way closer to Hillary then Mccain as far as stances and honor. He damn sure is not perfect but noone is(besides my wife). I may not like something but I will gladly take the lesser evil. Contact me lets talk, I will not judge you or be mean we are all on the same side of wanting better for our country.

  321. Barack Obama may be a nominee-presumptive but he might have made one glaring mistake. Its a legal and a constitutional issue. His circumstances have never actually been addressed directly in a court or in the congress. There are a mess of laws on the books. He even has a birth certificate since he was born in the US. He can produce even a passport but his mother didn’t actually establish residency as required by immigration law at the time. So it isn’t a matter whether or not he is a citizen. The question is “Is he a Natural born citizen.” The answer isn’t legally clear. However if he is elected -that is voted president it will impact our immigration laws like an earthquake.

    Immigration law has been modified numerous times but ultimately it didn’t actually seem apply to Baracks specific circumstances. Various issues have also been addressed by the courts with regards to the aspect of his dual heritage -one US citizen, one non us citizen. Law that applies to Barack is currently understood that applies to his birth and his his mother could not have physically and as a result legally established residency. He isn’t a Natural Born Citizen.

    Anyone who is concerned about a canddiate who is legally unfit for the office of president should call their secretary of state and ask them if they are aware of the wide ranging ramifications. It means that Barack may have unknowingly committed fraud when he filed for the primaries and elections stating he was a natural born citizen. They reluctantly produced a birth certificate.

    Be advised election law is in essence designed to protect those runinng from office from the capricious actions of official state authorities. This means that they may say that they are a neutral party to the activities and do no due diligence with regareds to candidates credentials. They usually permit the party to police their candidates. Ironically you have to produce more idenitfication to vote than to run for office.

  322. Roger Veritas: Your comments contradict your last name – there is little truth in them. Barack’s mother is an American citizen – John McCain’s mother is an American citizen. John McCain was NOT born in the United States; therefore, by your reasoning, McCain is NOT a “natural born” citizen either. So – according to your reaoning – neither candidate is eligible to run. So whom would you suggest be the presumptive nominees for the parties? Of course, Obama is a citizen, just as McCain is a citizen. You sound as though you are a PARALEGAL on steroids – didn’t quite pass the bar exam?

  323. Roger

    You have got too much time on your hands, man. Get a dog.

  324. CaliVoter: I sooo agree with you regarding education. It’s really a shame that many readers can no longer identify the writer’s intent and main idea. For example, you thought this post was ridiculous when the really ridiculous and snarky post is on the front page right now regarding the Senate Ladies Auxiliary. It is pathetic, actually. Shocking in the extreme. So, I will put you in holding while you work on this skill.

  325. So how come that fraud Will Bower didn’t donate to the Clinton campaign?

  326. [...] a Washington Blade article reporting that one of the organizers of the grassroots anti-Obama group Party Unity, My Ass is a gay [...]

  327. So sad that people have decided to cast their votes simply based on being sore losers. You’re willing to continue with the failed policies of a Republican president because of this? Let me ask this: How would you vote if Hillary Clinton was declared the vice-presidential candidate?

  328. Kevin:

    Blah blah blah

    Educate yourself before you come back.

  329. From a comment by Auntie Meme at corrente:

    Conventional wisdom that says PUMAs are just disappointed old broads who are sad that one of their own didn’t get selected. They’re not ready to get down to the nuts and bolts of governing, nor do they really have the stamina for it. It’s a battle of pie-in-the-sky vs. practicalities.

    At a deeper level, the profound rift comes from the clash between Democrats who have paid their dues through long-term political activism and those who are new to the process. I’m not speaking of the candidates, per se, but of their supporters. Clinton supporters are not owed the candidacy. They are, however, owed a voice that resonates through the policies of the nominee and his organization. The Obama campaign deserves an 18-million voice yowl of protest. Unless their campaign makes substantial changes of tone and substance and strives toward truly hearing and acting on the concerns of those 18 million, the PUMA protest will take the form of not only not supporting Prince Charming, but of actively working against him.

    To sum up:
    a) We’re harshing their mellow and that bums them out.
    b) We can outline our case for Clinton until we’re blue in the face, but we can’t make them hear us.PUMAS are perceived as bitter little ol ladies.The meme is propagated far and wide by both “progressive” bloggers and the SCMSM. And we know that women over 40 at some point become invisible. Proven fact—I can no longer see myself in the mirror.
    c) Worse yet, we can’t make them care.

    http://www.correntewire.com/petulant_pumas#new

    I think that encapsulates the story of many PUMAs.

  330. well fortunately for us we don’t care what you think ken in cleveland. we think you are a nasty troll with too much time on his hands, so there! Now go away. blah, blah, blah….why not hit the streets some more, it’ll do more good than come crying here….loser.

  331. No, Ken. If McCain wins, the Obamabots will get what they deserve. We are already screwed. Be very afraid when you have backed a puma into a corner.

  332. A couple of errors I noticed. Puerto Rico, while a territory of the US, is in fact, not allowed to vote in the General Election, or any federal elections for that matter. Secondly, there’s the claim of experience, or lackthereof.

    Article Two of the Constitution states the principle qualifications to be eligible for election as President:

    be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
    be at least thirty-five years old;
    have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

    I hope this clears things up.

    And yes, I’m voting for Obama, but, I respect what you guys are doing. I don’t agree, but I do respect.

    I’m not going to try to change your mind, you are adults and can figure things out yourselves. I just ask that you think long and hard about your choice, whatever it is. We as a country are in desperate need of a new world view. I agree that things didn’t seem proper during the primary, but understand that there really are only two candidates here. The Independent Party (including PUMA) will one day have equal billing amongst the Reps and Dems, but today is not that day. Unfortunately, any vote against Obama is not a vote for anyone except John McCain. Some of you may say “fine, so be it,” but I think some of you can understand the gravity of that statement.

    So, even after that long-winded diatribe, I’m not trying to change your mind. Just think hard about this, because your vote IS just as important as any other.

    Thank you for reading this, and good luck with whatever decision you make.

  333. Justin–you’re right. Things didn’t seem proper during the primary because they WEREN’T proper. Understand also that we are not willing to wait for the “one day in the future” fantasy. We are for getting in there and making that 3rd party a fact in the here and now. My non-BO vote will not be for McCain; but for myself and MILLIONS of other apparently ‘throw-away’ voters who have been thrown under the bus by the fascist tactics of the DNC. THAT’S what I understand.

  334. Justin:

    I understand the gravity of the decision. I’ve been a Democrat for over 20 years, and I have consistently voted a straight party ticket all those years.

    I will not vote for Barack Obama. He is not only unqualified, his campaign tactic of playing the race card against Hillary (and Bill) disqualifies him from holding office.

  335. Irlandese-

    Of what “fascist” tactics are you speaking ? Can you expound on what wasn’t proper? Please differentiate specific actions of Obama campaign from improper comments on Fox News that were specifically designed to cause a rift in the Democratic Party.

  336. [...] PUMA Power: Now is not the time to put a love object in office, a weakling who will be entirely dependent on his power elite enablers. Or worse, he may be a dissembler who has barely disguised his contempt for the voters. [...]

  337. P.U.M.A = STUPIDITY get real people, seriously

  338. Earlier, Clinton took aim at Sen. John McCain’s candidacy.

    “McCain is simply offering fours years more [of the Bush administration]. … John McCain and President Bush are like two sides of the same coin, and it doesn’t amount to a whole lot of change,” she said. “If you think we need a new course … vote for Barack Obama and get the change we need and deserve.” Watch Clinton bash McCain »

  339. Blah blah blahbity blah!

  340. “But, in fact, she is not the presumptive nominee, so a man of character, and an inspirational candidate with THE SAME ideological stances and platform as Hillary popped up into the national spotlight….therefore i support Barack Obama.”

    Why don’t you support that “man of character” instead?

    He sounds like a much better choice than Obama.

  341. Gee Jim, I’m a 48 year old grandfather and an attorney.

    So kindly suck my dick

  342. I’m not gay either, but you can still blow me.

  343. Yeah James, we’re so clever we infiltrated the Democratic party 20-30 years ago just for that purpose.

  344. Sorry to disappoint you Jim, but I’m a flaming heterosexual.

    You’re gonna have to stay in the closet by yourself.

  345. I just heard about PUMA, and checked out the site. I completely agree with the comments regarding backroom deals giving votes where votes weren’t cast. I can not support Obama for 3 primary reasons. We are in a critical point in this nation and I do not know what Obama’s actual policies are, his ability to achieve them nor am I satisfied with his answers to Jeremiah Wright, and Black Liberation Theology, and his denial of his muslim family in Kenya. This man is an empty suit who stimulates more questions than solutions.
    In Hillary, we had a known quantity, who has been thoroughly vetted and experienced to protect America’s interests, and promote America’s democracy. Ironically, she was sidelined by an undemocratic, back room process, that is antithetical to democracy.
    This is no time to engage in an unknown quantity, nor ratify an unfair process, my vote is going to Mccain; despite differences with him on some issues, I want Mccain to answer that 3 A.M. call. Keep up the GREAT work by giving us disenfranchised Democrats a place to talk and a knowledge that we are not alone.
    The “unity” rally today was not convincing at all. Obama vindicated all of us when he said “..i know how hurt hillary is….”. Does he also know how “hurt” we are by his devisive, dirty politics? Does he know how “hurt” we are that is was HIS cronies that disenfranchised us? Does he know how condescending that line was to us? Does he know he really hurt hillary by just having to include that? Hillary grimaced when he said that, and so did I. I think that will “hurt” him in November.

  346. Osay:

    I believe you are wrong. Please tell your troll friends that we don’t appreciate you trying to fill up old threads with this crap.

    We don’t go to your house and crap on the rug.

  347. I still can not believe that there are some people in this country that think a Military DRAFT is still in effect from the 1960’s……Grow a brain people and for God’s sake GET AN EDUCATION!!!! THERE IS NO DRAFT!! So thinking that your kids will be in every war from now until the year 3000…..it isn’t going to happen. Unlike other countries……our military is voluntary!!!!!!!!

    God Bless Hilary

  348. I am so fed up with the way the Clintons have been treated that I’ll do anything. Obama acts like Bill should lick his Boots. I sure hope he does not. Hillery has done more than she should. He wants to waltz into town as the MAN IN BLACK and be the center of attention. I’m not sure that he is even a democrat. To him, it’s all about him. He has no respect for past party heros. he just wants everyone to crown HIM king.

    Not me. Tell me how i can help

  349. “Unity” is a propaganda tool the establishment uses to dupe us into supporting someone we don’t believe in. Nader is Running. The Libertarians are also out there.
    Go third party. Yeah, they’re not going to win, but going third party sends a message to the party duopoly like “hey were not voting for these goons you keep spoonfeeding us”.

  350. OK…I really like Obama and I love Hillary and Bill too. I have been following both campaigns closely.

    From what I can see, Barack has the utmost respect and admiration for both Hillary and Bill. I don’t get what you people talk about. I have seen all the back and forth, and the smears for both sides in the media.

    I don’t pay attention to smears. It’s pretty easy to see what is substantive and what is not. Barack Obama’s pastor is not relevant. Neither is any silly mistake Hillary makes in recollecting her trip to eastern Europe.

    What are you people talking about?? Please grow up. You people are acting like children.

    Vote Obama/Clinton 2008!

  351. James:

    We ARE grown-up.

    We took a good long look at Barack Obama, thought about it very carefully, and decided no fucking way.

    How can you claim to love Bill and Hillary and not be outraged at the things the Obama campaign accused them of?

    We pay attention to smears. The smears perpetrated by Barack Obama on the greatest Democratic President since FDR. The smears perpetrated on Hillary, who would be an even greater President than Bill.

    You say we should grow up? We say you should wise up.

  352. PUMA is a front for the Republican Party.

    What a bunch of hacks. Everyone knows that Barack Obama is not responsible for press coverage of Hillary Clinton. And no one made Bill Clinton race bait during the campaign.

    The bottom line is that Obama won fair and square.

    The last thing Rush Limbaugh and Fix News and the Halliburton Crowd and the rest of the race haters want is for a person duly elected by the American people to win the presidency.

    They’ve stolen elections before, and they will try to steal this one.

    And you PUMA people are willing to help them, in spite of the fact that they are against a woman’s right to choose.

    That is counter-intuitive, which lets me know that the Republican party is paying PUMA.

    You stupid Republican party hacks.

  353. Good morning myiq2xu. Have you found any takers yet? Maybe you ID should be myds1/2u. Sort of interesting how the posts you don’t like get taken off. HMMMMMM. Now why would that be.

  354. I voted for Hillary twice for Senate and volunteered for Bill Clinton before I could vote…. I would have voted for Hillary if she was the candidate but now I will gladly vote for Obama. Their positions on the issues are largely the same in comparison to McCain. I’m not quite sure what PUMA wants other than attention.

  355. I worked on the Hillary Clinton campaign. And, I quickly learned after many phone calls to woman, in my discussions long with them how naive, weak and clueless many of us are. Guess what ladies? We are not a species of unity. The results of this election revealed this truth to me, woman are not united.
    My college age son, who supported Hillary, called me and said, “mom, what is you’re problem?” He was referring to woman. Why aren’t woman united?!

    Why is it that Obama was able to gain over 95% of the African American vote (support), yet only 45% of females backed HIllary? She is the the only woman in history thus far, who is qualfied in every way to bring “woman power” to the helm of this country and to the world? I was mortified to hear how many woman would not support her. I was snubbed at the polls and given dirtly looks from woman approaching the voting booths. Shame on you!

    For all of the woman who took a back seat to a man, who make 30% less in salary than a male performing the same job, or a divorcee who can’t force her able husband to spend time with their children, instead of his new girlfried, well let me tell you something, WOMAN MUST UNITE! Hillary fought to strengthen our position in this world. For all of you who voted for Obama, you are clueless as to what having Hillary on the ticket meant to every woman, and every young girl in this world! SHAME ON YOU!

    I didn’t support Hillary because she was a female! I supported her because she is the most qualified candidate not only now, but in American history!

  356. Christine,
    delusional. Your last statement contradicts exactly what you said in so many words above. The truth shall set you free. So McCain is in touch with women? Come on.

  357. Are you people seriously willing to back the GOP just to prove a point ? That sounds like a bratty kid who breaks a toy because the batteries no longer work.

    I just saw one of your respresentatives on GMA. To be honest, she just look ill informed. She was not well spoken and couldn’t give any rational answers to why she is choosing the stance she did. Sad to say, she made your cause look stupid.

    While both candidiates have done things that I was damned embarrassed about, I would not throw out the baby with the bath water. As an indy voter, I usually vote dem across the board. It’s usually the lesser of two evils. I have felt for a long time, however, that the democratic party takes certain voter blocks for granted (minorities, women, the elderly) and often feel that I’d like to show them! Now is not the time, however, to take a chance simply because of spite.

    I don’t know what America you guys are living in but the economic status of the US has gone to hell in a hand basket under GOP rule. (Remember, they started out with a budget surplus and look at us now! ) Are you willing to drive us deeper into the pits of hell simply because you’re pissed ? If you are you’re either stubborn as hell, a GOP mole, or just the dumbest jackass on God’s green earth! If McCain wins, God help us all!

  358. This whole thing is ridiculous. As a woman, I understand that a lot of you feel robbed, but when you take your feeling out in such a hateful and selfish way, it is extremely detrimental not only to the Democratic party, but to the country. If you support Hillary, you should also support her views to put the country before our own self-serving desires.

    Barack Obama is a great candidate and deserves this nomination. He fought hard for it and will make an excellent leader. Both nominees made history, both nominees would have been head over feet better than McCain, and both nominees represent the best interest of women.

    If you alienate Barack Obama, you are leaving the Supreme Court up to the Republicans who are notoriously awful when it comes to women’s rights.

    All I ask is to take a second look at Obama. He is a loving family man, with a strong wife, and two adorable little girls. So what if he is newer to politics than most. He is intelligent, surrounds himself with an amazing team of politicians, and cares about THE SAME ISSUES as HILLARY!!!

  359. Joan -

    I didn’t say anything positive about McCain, nor did I say I support him in any way.
    Kelly, how do you know Obama will make an excellent leader? What has the man done, someone please tell me what accomplishments Obama has? Voting against the war is commendable, but that is just about the only positive thing he has done. Philadelphia mayor, Michael Nutter (also an African American) stated, He has no right to be running for the office of President, he has no proven track record! Didn’t anyone see what Obama did prior to obtaining his senate seat victory? He set out to destroy his other opponents and get them off of the ticket. And he obtained the 150,000 signatures (which on occasion he went door to door to get) to get them off of the ballot. It was ruthless, they both are Hillary supporters. He’s no angel. I just don’t like him, he reminds me of a smooth used car salesman, with a good line!

    We are all entitled to our opinions, that is what makes American great!
    C

  360. Regards,
    Jimmy Hicks
    PUYA (Put it uo your ______)

  361. Pardon the mispelled word, I was a bit emotional.

    Jimmy Hicks
    PUYA (Put it up your____)

  362. the woman on the news could not answer a simple fucking question in a direct answer. which further shows that you assholes are just upset that a white woman happened to lose to a black men,your to caught up in you emotions like the typical self centered bitches that you are. that’s why you cunts should never be allowed to run this country. your to busy thinking with your emotions,instead of being logical. grow the fuck up you son-of-a-bitches. obama for pres!!!!!!!!! now how you like them apples bitches.

  363. Brian you really should talk to someone about your anger issue, low level of intellect and hate for the female gender. You have no class.

  364. Brian:

    You obviously have issues with women. I’m guessing it’s not vaginaphobia, but latent homosexuality.

    Let us know where you live, and I’m sure we can put you in touch with some sensitive guys who can help you become comfortable with your true sexuality.

    OTOH, if it is vaginaphobia, you need to get over your irrational fears. I don’t care what you may have heard, they don’t really have teeth.

  365. I am a black foot amrican indian and do not like that they used the race card against her. White poeple tried to make us exstinked and stated that a only good indian was a dead one, but you dont here us cring about it useing our race to guilt the white people of america to vote for us. She is the most pro race person ive seen for all race black, poor or blue she was there first and if any thing the demicats didnt want a woman, if it had been a black woman they would have done the same. It is time to stop this kind of thinking and vote for the best whom is cliton! I do belive Obama’s goals lie with giving our money to other coutreys and saleing us all out. That is why i belive the powers that be wanted him, i think they want him in on the oil money. Think who is backing his campaine he turned down our money what sadi coutrey is giving him. His and who in the party will get rich with him if you want hillary for president write her in! It would be the first time in history that has happened it is time the press is stoped from there brain washing! Think for yourself and stand up for your vote history has been made by poeple who were willing to do this if there is any one like this left in usa help us be great again we need you!

  366. Rick:

    We’re really sorry that none of the girls in your high school were willing to lower their standards low enough to relieve you of your virginity.

    But maybe it will happen before you reach 30, so don’t give up hope!

  367. No offense but you guys are crazy. Obama may not be the best democratic choice but he is a democrat. Don’t be fools and vote for McCain.

  368. CD Cannon – SURE… what a Democrat Obama turned out to be. Misogyny, Vote Stealing, Slum-Lord supporting, Regan-worshipping, ya, whadda guy!

  369. It was Hillary’s to lose and she completely screwed it up all on her own. No one stole anything except your brains. Our dream is stronger than all a you crybabies.
    Hope Hope Hope
    Change Change Change!
    Yes, We Can!

  370. I think we should start a write-in campaign and all of us should put Hilary’s name on the ballots in November rather than vote for either “man”. If enough of us do it, we could just get our heroin in after all, couldn’t we?

  371. Blacks have been helping elect democratic presidents for years, now that we have a black presumptive democratic nominee, you won’t vote for him. hmmmmm, its a free country vote for who you want. 2012 is coming and trust me, me and a lot of people who look like me, WE WON’T FORGET.

  372. Facing the end of any relationship is easy some, and difficult for others. The downside of 21st century politics of involvement seems to generate behaviors that parallel those of a spurned lover. The daily e-mails, the “you made this happen” reinforcement, “we will change the world” pledges of empowerment are gone. In the emotional wake remains the faithful, dutiful partner, still reeling from the breakup. The screaming woman at Clinton/Omaba Unity rally, the disgrunteled members of the anti-Barack justsaynodeal.com making accusations of sexism and unfairness are evidence of promises unfulfilled. They’ll all be damned if they don’t get what they invested in emotionally!

    In the vacuum of leadership we’ve experienced for the past 7+ years, American voters seem to place a high premium on their loyalty. The one vote makes a difference mantra has been distorted into a limp substitute for self-esteem building. Yet, we must return to the businesslike process of electing competent officials who can actually accomplish real goals. Only then will this country be back on the right track to fulfill the real American dream. It’s not about not getting your way, it’s about an important change this country desperately needs. Compromise.

  373. I completely agree with Rob in a more simplistic way. I am smiling as I read these blogs. You can easily identify hateful suckers from respectful logisticians. Face it, the Dems and the GOP are both more divided than ever and for very good reasons. You PUMA’s give me great hope by acknowledging, even to the shrieks and cries of emotional egoist who can’t accept the reality of thinkers seeking honest up-front answers, who don’t swallow talking points of party leaders who would throw their own (like Leiberman and Hilary) under the bus, as the media cheers them on.

  374. Those of you who are thinking of voting for McCain over Obama are making an enormous mistake. I don’t like Obama either, but voting for McCain will just plunge us deeper into misery and despair. The failed Bush policies will continue to be enforced, bringing this country closer and closer to third -world status. For goodness sakes, write in “Mickey Mouse” on the ballot if you refuse to vote for Obama, but do not vote for McCain! Who wants 100 more years of a pointless war, off shore oil drilling that will wreck further havoc on the environment, and ongoing neglect for the middle class while the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
    As an avid Hillary Clinton supporter myself, the aspect that upset me the most during this campaign was the media’s failure to give Clinton the credit she deserved for the extraordinary campaign she ran. What she has done and continues to do for this country as a public servant cannot begin to compare to the mirage of a resume Obama attempts to flaunt. The typical arrogant, sexist, pigheaded men of the world feel threatened by a woman who knows the ins and outs of politics the way Hillary does. A man who presents himself as a strong, assertive, and fearless leader is admired yet a woman who portrays herself in the same way is seen as pushy, bitchy and “castrating”. This country will never progress if certain people continue to think this way. The closed minded citizens of this country will maintain their grasp on the reigns of power while those who have learned to see beyond the issues of gender, race, and religion will remain under the control of the ignorant.

  375. Kel4Hill,
    I am not in a position to say I support McCain at this time, but if I do vote for him, I promise you that it will NOT be because of any those personal and wonderful issues you brought up. I also must say that it is offensive to those of us who are of any gender, race, or religion to be accused of wanting to control anyone. By the way, let’s not leave out political party as a personal issue either. I am frankly looking for a leader who is honest enough to say what s(he) wants for the good of the people, get elected, and go for it. (Can you think of someone like that?) That’s my ideal candidate (Sorry!). One that I trust will do what they say, and not do what they promise not to do. That is courage epitomized, and I want that! Whoever can convince me that he will do what he says if elected, will get my vote, even if it’s not what I want to hear. Don’t insult me as close-minded, if I don’t vote for someone who criticizes, flip-flops, or can’t come up with constructive ideas of his own. (Can you think of someone like that?)

  376. this is scary. i care too much for women’s issues to punish woman by voting for mccain.

  377. Really, Walker? Pray tell. Maybe it might help stop punishing female fetuses or help a few Moslem women along the way if you did. (Not saying I’m pro-life or anti-feminist.) BTW, there are plenty of left wing Republicans who don’t like McCain either, but they choose not to make it an ISSUE, respecting the choices of all women with personal issues. Try focusing on the truly helpless and abused in a world without hope. Believe me, it ain’t registered female Democrats facing a John McCain, but it could be a Taliban wife hoping for a strong American military. Sorry for the sermon. Your choice on the ballot does not scare me if your heart is sure you’re right. I think I’ve said enough here. Be well and be strong PUMA’s! Unity is nice, but so is independence.

  378. I would like to say that I’am a Republican and I will vote that way, But !! I do have to admit that the DNC really did put the big SCREW to the Democratic voters.

  379. ” This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.”

    - Hillary Clinton

  380. “I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.”

    - Hillary Clinton

  381. [...] PUMAs are Democrats who supported Clinton but oppose Obama’s candidacy and wish to see him defeated. I have no idea how many true PUMAs there are. Certainly Republicans may be distorting or manipulating the online PUMA presence for their own ends. But I suspect there are a fair number, and I don’t think writing them off as nuts or cranks is very productive or helpful. If you want to learn more from a PUMA go here. It’s a blog I generally like a lot, even though I disagree with the PUMA approach, as I noted in comments here and here. And I profoundly disagree with some of the things written there about Obama. But I also feel like Dr. Socks and many of her commenters make a lot of legitimate points when she discusses the incredible sexism of so many of the Supposedly Liberal Doods running or supporting the Democratic Party. So go over and read Reclusive Leftist if you are interested. Below is a short excerpt from this post: Most of us are lifelong Democrats, seasoned veterans of the political game. We know exactly what we’re doing. We’re making a high-stakes strategic bid to salvage the Democratic Party — or, failing that, to build a new coalition that will take up the mantle that the DNC seems determined to shed. [...]

  382. Hey, Walker, Why do you care about any woman who’d try to kill an unborn child? If they die in a back ally abortion they more than deserve it. Why would you sacrifice 10,000 babies a year to protect such scum? Your values are terribly warped. Switch your PC/femenist auto-pilot off; and switch your brain back on.

  383. Jeff, why not join us up on the active threads? Lots more conversation to be had there.

  384. Why not come up and join us on the active thread?

  385. now, now, john, we don’t link to that trashy orange stained rag here.

  386. AS A HILLARY SUPPORTER, HERES WHY I FEEL I CAN VOTE FOR MCCAIN. NO DOUBT THE SENATE AND CONGRESS WILL GO TO A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY AND MCCAIN WONT BE ABLE TO DO MUCH DAMAGE. IF OBAMA WINS..THEY WILL GIVE THEIR BOY KING EVERYTHING HE ASKS FOR. TOO DANGEROUS. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COUNTRY IF THERE WAS SOME BALANCE BETWEEN BOTH PARTIES.THEREFORE I HAVE NO COMPUNCTION ABOUT VOTING FOR MCCAIN. BESIDES..ITS ONLY FOR 4 YEARS.

  387. Can someone please explain why, if you do not want another 4 years of Republican control, you would vote for McCain?

    Someone pointed out that he wouldn’t be able to do much damage if the Dems maintain control of the house and senate. I should point you to the Bill Clinton years where we had a Republican controlled house and senate and we had 8 pretty damn good years in this country. Jump to W’s first months in office with the same Republican house and congress and things went downhill fast. Currently we do have a small majority yet Bush’s policies are still running strong. Do you honestly think that will change if McCain gets the nod?

  388. There’s still time to leave this guy (Obama) at the alter. He has shown even his core supporters (the party activists) what he really thinks of them. He has shown himself to be a duplicitous liar. Because the delegate count is so close, it wouldn’t take a very large shift to throw the nomination to Clinton or someone else. At the very least, as a matter of principle, a floor vote should be called.

  389. First visit to your blog.

    While I certainly don’t agree with much of anything that you are saying, I certainly believe that you have the right to sound off as much as you like. (which you would be less likely to do under a McCain administration, by the way)

    Cheers,

    Gunfighter

  390. Gunfighter, are you suggesting that McCain would somehow curtail our first ammendment rights?? that’s a mighty big charge, can you explain further. In fact I have more evidence that Obama suppresses free speech than McCaiin. See my video here:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=SPMfjlzEidk

  391. Wow, this is really great! Glad to see that there are other crazy people around. It’s not too late to get Hillary elected! Some choice we have now: King Kong versus Methusaleh.

  392. I’m a life-long Democrat, but the whole disenfranchise-Florida business made me furious beyond belief. The Obama people did everything they could to sabotage a revote or even a caucus in FL and MI.

    So I can’t get excited about Obama. And who knows what he even is about. He refused to debate Hillary, now he refuses to debate McCain.

    But after ignoring us in Florida for so long, he is now saturating the state with BS TV commercials. Every 5 minutes on TV you get “Hi, I’m Barack Obama. I have a white mama. I worked my way thru Harvard. I dedicated my life to helping white steel workers (sounds like another lie). Blah, blah, blah”.

    But because there is no debate, you can’t tell whether or not its true. He’s the world’s biggest hypocrite. He says he wants discussion of issues, then he refuses to debate anybody and just feeds us endless commercials. What BS.

  393. I’ll probably hold my nose and vote for Obama. But can’t say for sure. It depends big time on who the VP candidates are, on both sides.

    McCain also has a lot of explaining to do. What is HE going to do about gas prices and inflation and offshoring? There are very serious problems in existence that are more important than personalities.

    But I feel that I don’t even KNOW Obama. The press should have CRUCIFIED him for not debating Hillary. They should be CRUCIFYING him now for not debating McCain.

    Here’s my plan: Make it a LAW that the Presidential candidates MUST DEBATE every week. Furthermore, I would like to see them debate in a very simple way: Lock them both in a room for 3 hours and see if they mate.

    It would soon be clear who the winner was. Under those circumstances, you can’t hide behind TV ads.

    Wouldn’t that be great? Face-to-face, unmoderated debates. Just the two of them in the room. No audience. We would find out soon enough what they were made of and what they believe.

    Gotta hand it to McCain. He did that for 5 1/2 years in Vietnam so he has the advantage. Let’s see what Obama is made of.

  394. Gary,

    Yes. Probably every bit as much as George W. Bush has done.

    If you haven’t noticed it, you haven’t been paying attention.

  395. She herself has told her supporters to do everything possible to Democrat in the White House – even if it means voting for her formal rival.

    Is it assumed she is not sincere, or that it doesn’t matter what she thinks?

    Should we not do what she has asked?

    The thought of “four more years” is simply unthinkable.

  396. The mess in FL and MI was a very bad thing, but let’s put the blame where it belongs: on the decision makers in those states who made the poor choice to break the rules and invalidate their own elections.

    A different ruling in those states would not have changed the outcome of the primary race. The election was not that close.

    I cannot contemplate a McCain presidency. The more I see of him, the more I know he sold more than his soul in 2004. Any of the seven Democratic primary candidates would have been better than McCain.

    I cannot bear to vote for McCain and give the neocons four more years to devastate America.

    I do not see how any person of conscience can vote for the neocons. I feel it’s normal for me to feel bitter, but taking down my country is not the right response.

    So if PUMA has any ideas – other than voting for McCain which I cannot do – I want to hear them.

  397. JW, in FL, I know that the decision was made by a Repub-controlled lege. In MI, it was Obama’s operatives who stopped the revote.

    Why not join us up on the active threads? Lots of discussion going on up there about what to do next.

    (BTW, McCain != a neocon.)

  398. McCain would not be a “safe” president just because he would have a Democratic congress.

    McCain would exercise that “executive privilege” the Bush administration seized. He would nominate fascists to the courts and every post. He would veto the Democrats at every opportunity. One or two Supreme Court justices may retire in the next 4 years.

    McCain would be the one conducting our country’s diplomacy and foreign policy.

    A McCain presidency would be the very worst outcome for our country.

    I am a sore loser, but there is no way I will give power to the neocons out of spite.

    I don’t know whether I will vote this time, or write in a candidate. I will wait to see who Obama’s running mate is.

  399. Janis,

    Did you see the video of the Democrats in FL voting to break the primary election rules? They were smirking and laughing about it.

    I think they should have thrown the leaders out of the party in MI and FL, for breaking the rules and thereby disenfranchising their own voters. The penalty was clearly stated, and they broke the rules anyway – and for no good reason.

    I’m disappointed in the outcome, but blaming the wrong people doesn’t help. Even Hillary pledged to uphold the rules and disqualify FL and MI for breaking the rules, before those primaries were held. I was disappointed in her flip flop on that point.

  400. no threats please michael.

  401. At the risk of appearing fussy, the problem has less to do with overindulging parenting issues–which seems to be the point of the piece–than with the simple fact that a nation taken, to the chagrin of anyone educated beyond a GED, by American Idol, has flocked, squirmed, or somehow exuded itself into the Obama “glam.”
    I’m not suggesting Obama supporters are assholes totally oblivious to his hypocrises and mediatizability as an Everyman Superstar. I’m stating it outright: Obama supporters are assholes, and unfortunately for us all, the only way of dealing with them is to elect McCain this round–and we can safely assume Obama would do no better and probably worse–and hope some sense seeps in after four years and THEN, finally, we can have Hillary back again along with the wisdom and decorum fitting the office.

  402. I’m hispanic, and I strongly believe Obama will have a huge support from most of the minorities citizens and with no doubts he will be the first minority to get in the White House as a president of United State. I predict California, Texas, Florida and New York would be the keys for his victory to Mr. Obama in November 2008.

  403. JW said

    “The mess in FL and MI was a very bad thing, but let’s put the blame where it belongs: on the decision makers in those states who made the poor choice to break the rules and invalidate their own elections. ”

    What is really disheartening is the lack of knowledge or respect for democracy by obamaphiles. The Democratic Party does not oversee elections in this country, the various states do. The election in Fl was a VALID election, certified by the state election board. It was a poor choice for the DNC to try to circumvent democracy by disenfranchising the more than 2 million people who voted in Florida. They should be ashamed, and you, JW, should inform yourself more thoroughly

  404. michelle, we honor the kos strike here. no posting, you are no longer welcome

  405. michelle you are not welcome

  406. michelle, let me explain so that even a moron like you can understand. Does free speech mean I can come into your house and lecture you at will???? didn’t think so, now beat it

  407. This IS private property

  408. that was pretty lame of wordpress to give us the ability to violate your 1st amendment rights. why not sue them?

  409. michelle, you shouldn’t have told me this pisses you off…just makes it that much more fun for me :)

  410. seriously, michelle you violated the rules of this website. We honor the strike of Dailykos and you went ahead and violated that and so you’re banned. goodbye

  411. michell, what you are doing is called spamming and in many places is illegal. I don’t want to contact your ISP provider in oakland, but I will

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  413. why yes I am james…you dumbass.

  414. I can not and will not vote for McCain. His policies and positions on issues are totally opposite of what I believe in. McCain is anti women and voted that way. McCain supports Bush 100%. McCain make crude jokes about women being raped. No I can not ever vote for a man like John McCain.

  415. Anyone out there who still wants to vote for BHO shoutd look up….
    -obama WTF Black Liberation Theology
    It is an eye opening site for anyone that loves God and America. A vote for BHO is against American values.

  416. duuuuhhhh… can one ‘write in’ a vote?? won’t vote for mccain and can’t vote for bho…what’s a ‘PUMA’ to do…i’m 69 and have never missed a vote…[sigh] but i might… this time.
    i want our ‘HILLARY”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  417. I am saying this again and again and again, I have been surfing the comment sections of CNN and MSNBC, and I fail to see hardly any PUMA comments.. Its one thing to talk to each other and that is good, but you are not going to make many converts if we keep talking to ourselves. Obama has been all over the news with photo’s, comments, etc. In some he looks like a school boy who is on a class trip, but people have to know that this is a tax payer funded political junket.

  418. jessie, I don’t know about your, when I post at cnn or msnbc, I NEVER get posted, no matter how innocuos it is.

  419. ….if your effort does not pay off and you refuse to back Obama, then you’re purpose of not having 4 more years of a Republican government will have failed. I am now and always have been a registered Independent, and in November I am 100% supporting Obama, because the alternative is more of what we’ve had. Both candidates put up an amazing fight, but now the party has to survive or the country will continue down this horribly destructive path.

  420. This “un-party” is only further proof that the problem goes well beyond politicians; the problem starts with the voters.

    Those who would rather vote for McCain don’t deserve a vote at all. It only shows your complete lack of competence, objectivity, and ability to put together a coherent and rational thought.

    All these people crying about Obama being responsible for uniting the Democratic party bring a saying to mind: “You can bring a horse to water, but you can’t make ‘em drink.” You have to be willing to listen first.

    My advice to PUMAs: If you won’t vote for Obama, don’t vote for McCain. Don’t vote at all. That may send the strongest message to those who are listening. Voting for McCain would only end up hurting you and the rest of the country and world.

    My thoughts of PUMAs: Get over yourselves, take some Xanax, and just chill. There’s a difference between ignorance and passion.

  421. Gavin, once again an Obama supporter shows his utter lack of disdain for our constitution and our democracy. Just like your saviour, Obama, you like to win by supressing votes. In case you didn’t know, there is no qualifier to our right to vote. We all get to do it, no matter what you think of our intelligence or patriotism. You are a disgusting facist who would have only one party and dictate how everyone is to vote. You will understand, then, when I tell you to take your advice to not vote and shove it up your ass. Oh, and for good measure, go FUCK yourself, mkay sweetie?

  422. “I am 100% supporting Obama, because the alternative is more of what we’ve had”

    I disagree completely. Obama would be another CEO president, exactly more of what we’ve had. This is exactly the kind of crap I’ve gotten sick of hearing. I’m a liberal independent and have never voted for a Republican for president but I’m afraid that will be changing this November.

    “Both candidates put up an amazing fight, but now the party has to survive” is another load of dung. For one thing the fight was rigged from the beginning and for another “party politics” are the biggest part of what has gotten us in to the mess we are in.

    I live in Michigan and the Democratic party decided that the people of Guam should have more say in our political process than me and my neighbors. If my state votes for McCain and that is what helps put him over the top, just think of it as a raised middle finger pointing in Howard Dean’s direction.

  423. Trollies, give it up.

  424. Gavin, why don’t you grow a pair and drop your troll turds in the thread where people are actually discussing the topic at hand.

  425. are you people serious? i hear all this bitching and whining about michigan and florida, and you know why they were penalized? because they broke apart from the DNP, simple as that. and voting for mccain instead of barack???? wow, thats pretty much all i can say about that, grow up idiots, hillary ran a great campaign, lost to a superior opponent, even she admits defeat and supports barack, what more do you need??? i did not realize a nation of hillary supporters could be such whiny losers, and you instead will vote for war-mongering john mccain??? once again, i have lost faith in human kind, reading some of the absolutely pathetic posts above, a vote for mccain is a vote for war with iran, which will kill more of our youth, of course, middle-aged housewives don’t need to worry about that, they’ll never go overseas, but pick up your local paper and see about another dead soldier, and know that a vote for mccain will contribute to another dead…congratulations

  426. Um Matt, what branch of the military do you serve in again???? that’s what I thought you fucking hypocrite. And as for these “middle aged women”, many of their sons and daughters DO fight in our military and put their asses on the line for whining babies like you everyday. How dare you lecture them on how to vote. you should be ashamed of yourself talking about dead soldiers and the mothers of those soldiers. what have you done for your country lately??

  427. Gary:

    If you talk to the troll, the troll wins

  428. [...] democrats, election, politics, president, Republicans, US Election, voting |   There are Democrats who will not vote for Obama and Republicans who will not vote for [...]

  429. bob, thanks for the legal advice you stupid hack. now put the pacifier back in your mouth and back away from the keyboard.

  430. Matt C. as the mother of a military soldier-GO FUCK YOURSELF

  431. Right on, PUMA.

    100% behind you. I will NEVER vote BO … not in a million years ..

    Either Hillary or MCCAIN for me.

    Obama is a total opportunist …. Obama has done nothing to deserve to be the President of this great nation. Obama reminds me of a first level manager in a company who wants to be its CEO the next year.

    Obama is all talk and no action …
    Obama is hype … no substance ..
    Where is the beef, BO?

    The world wants to see a weak American President who knows nothing but talks big …
    So the world welcomes him … The weaker the U.S. President, the stronger the rest of the world.

    So when the world welcomes BO, it is saying alot.

    I am a 200% Hillary supporter and will always be.

    Go back to Illinois, BO …

  432. If you dont want BO, you HAVE to vote for MCCAIN.

    iF you do not vote for MCCAIN, you are voting for BO.

    MCCain is a liberal Republican …. Better MCCain than BO ..

    With MCCain , you at least know for sure where his heart is … You know he will protect the United States Of America …
    Our flag will fly high … We can work on the other differences with him .. At least, MCCAIN is a true American ..

    BO feasted at the feet of a Rev. Wright for 20 years… You are what you are the last 20 years … BO is trying to shed his past … but dont be con.

  433. Keep up the good work PUMAs!!!!

  434. In Michigan, we can write in our choice for President and I plan to do just that.

    Mad Old Lady from Michigan

  435. I love this site!!! Rock on PUMAs!!! Obama is an arrogant ass!!

  436. I was supporting Obama, but I’ve realized what a tool he is. GO PUMA!!!

  437. I am a hillaryloyalist and I did what she asked for to support Obama and I jumped on his ship. Once I started to do research on him and starting to ask more and more questions about him. Once I heard a supporter wrote a song for Obama and I read the news aricle on this, I will not stand for a hip pop supporter calls Hillary a bitch in his song and john McCain needs to be in a wheelchair. This draws the line for me and I have JUMPED off Obama’s ship. I will remember those lyrics from hip pop singer now.. I thought I past this onto everyone to read.
    http://www.news24.com/News24/World/US_Elections_2008/0,,2-10-2339_2369551,00.html

  438. PUMA is :
    ON ITS WAY TO DENVER!!!!

    Go PUMA !!!

  439. Tim why do you post on the previous day’s thread? Why don’t you come to the thread that is active? Because you are a whiny little shit who knows damn good and well that if you came to the active thread, we would sh