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“But she PROMISED!”

I watched the video of Hillary’s speech in Florida from MSNBC and it is all coming back to me why I decided to only watch C-Span. At the very end of it, Contessa Brewer comes on and says something to the effect: “But what makes her think she can get the votes from Florida and Michigan when she *promised* not to campaign there?” You can see part of the speech and Contessa’s query here
(Sorry, it won’t embed)

The worst part of this is that so many people will not try to follow the logic or assume there is logic. There is not. Contessa’s whine about the candidates’ promise reminds me of some manipulative kid trying to get something over on their parents in a moment of weakness. “But you prommissed I could go to the sleepover. You prommissed!” It is so tempting to just give in to make the kid shut up.

But what is Contessa saying here? F^&( if I know. What does a promise to not campaign in the states have to do with championing the rights of the voters of those two states to have their votes counted? It was hardly the voters’ fault for getting caught in the middle of some political power play. And only a stupid politician would seriously believe you could exclude these two states from the final tally and expect to win them back in the general election. (Whoops! Sorry about that Donna) Only a person without scruples would deliberately take his name off the Michigan ballot in order to invalidate the votes for his opponent (and stupid too, like Donna).

But the fact that they proommmmmiissed not to campaign in these two states has nothing to do with the fact that the primaries were conducted fair and square and all they need now is a nod from the Rules and Bylaws committee. So, they didn’t campaign. (Ok, well *Clinton* didn’t campaign. Obama bought $1.4 Million dollars worth of cable ads) So what? It’s a complete non-sequitor with respect to honoring the votes.

No, Contessa, you can’t have your way this time. Somebody’s got to act like a grown up.

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  1. I say we go all the way to the convention. Good point about Barack deliberating taking his name off the ballot to invalidate the results. I think it’s clear: unless the delegations are seated she fights at the convention. As for the popular vote count, that’s such a hard one to figure out. Obama is showing no leadership. He is proving he is a coward. “Running out the clock” is not the act of a true, vibrant, courageous leader.

  2. At the very end of it, Contessa Brewer comes on and says something to the effect: “But what makes her think she can get the votes from Florida and Michigan when she *promised* not to campaign there?”

    What a whiner. The only thing worse than a whiner is a cheater and a bully which is why I’m voting for Hillary.

  3. I just got back home and watched the entire speech (with the puke inducing comment by Comtessa Brewer) @ Talkleft.

    I’m sooo pump up that I’m doing a couple of push-ups.

    Rico, a Zombie Coktail please.

    Conflucians, that is some team captain we’ve got in HRC.

  4. I wanted to be a journalist but I scored too high on the intelligence test.

  5. miq2xu, i love you. in a totally platonic, non-icky way, natch!

  6. Can anyone explain why Contessa(Ohhh, what a cool name) needed to talk over the beginning of Senator Clinton’s speech and then had to interrupt the speech? Was their breaking “American Idol” news, or something?

  7. Are the lights off at the Mighty Corrente Building for anyone else? Are do the hamsters not like me?

  8. They just can’t resist the dig – it reminds me of spats in jr. high. I still can’t see what Hillary *did* to deserve the constant digs.

    I mean, really, what would the fools talk about – Astrology? Oh, wait…

  9. Aeryl, we were talking about it on another thread — the lights do seem to be out in the Mighty Corrente building.

    (sniff)

  10. But Clinton didn’t even campaign in MI or FL so what the hell is Brewer yappin’ about?

    It’s like my Obama-supporting coworkers telling me, “But Clinton said that neither state would count! She agreed!” I don’t give a damn what she said: this is about disenfranchisement. The voters should not be punished–ever.

  11. Well, that’s just great. Lambert is probably out on the streets of Philadelphia, shaking his tambourine and telling fortunes for money.

  12. Contessa is a dope.

    Say, if BO is all about his “victory” last night – where are all the superD’s today?

    hmmm?

    you’d think there’d be a flood!

  13. Hillary raised $22 million in april. BO raised 31 mil, but he spent $36mil. Somebody should figure out how much he paid per vote in WV and KY. Kudos to all us small donors to Hillary!

  14. The lights are back on at the Mighty Corrente building.

    Send ‘em some spare love.

  15. I’m reposting this comment I made from the last post because I think its important, and I always forget to bring it up.

    This is something I heard from a few Florida legislators that were with Hillary for the Maya Angelou event in NC. Most of us here know that the Republican legislature are the ones responsible for moving up Florida’s primary. But did you know that they numbered the bill “537″? 537 is the number of votes by which Gore lost to Bush in 2000.
    Can you believe that? The Republicans are laughing at Howard Dean, Donna Brazile and the like. They set the trap, and the DNC fell for it.

  16. spent 36 million in states he lost in a landslide. the guy’s a sure loser.

  17. Mawm, that’s unbelieveable. I didn’t know that. Why are our Democratic “leaders” so clueless?

    And can someone tell me why anyone would name their child Contessa?

  18. Obots like to quote the interview Hillary did in New Hamster back in Nov-Dec where she said something about Michigan’s vote not counting.

    But they cut her quote short because she also said that she expected the Democratic party would find a solution that didn’t disenfranchise two states. (i.e. revotes)

  19. “And can someone tell me why anyone would name their child Contessa?”

    Cuz she was an ugly baby? To make up for the lack of personality? Because she was “special?”

  20. Has anyone else received the 2008 Presidential Campaign Survey from the DNC? Apparently they have no sense of irony. Their absolute cluelessness is mind boggling.

    Here is question #9,

    “Thinking about our Party’s plan for the 2008 campaigns, which of the following strategies do you think is the key to electing more Democrats in November?”

    1- investing in grassroots efforts….
    2- Devoting more resources to radio and TV…..
    3-Ensuring a fair election process that every vote counts!!!!!!!
    4- all of the above

    Question 12
    “How concerned are you that Republican voter suppression schemes will disenfranchise Democrats and impact the outcome of the presidential race?”
    1- very
    2- somewhat
    3- not at all

    I kid you not. This a an official correspondence from the DNC to a known Democratic Party supporter. Their absolute cluelessness is mind boggling.

  21. More money gossip, Obama only has $8 million set aside for the GE, and Hillary has $90 million. Whoaaa! Hillary is better prepared to beat McCain in more ways than one.

  22. I got a solicitation from Obama in the mail today. Got one from NARAL yesterday. Got one from the Dems, too.

    RETURN TO SENDER.

  23. @BB: Are you sure about that number? I thought she had about $25 M left for the general.

  24. Corrente is back up

  25. Augie: did they follow question #12 with this…

    Question 13
    “How concerned are you that Democratic voter suppression schemes will disenfranchise Democrats and impact the outcome of the presidential race?”
    1 – very
    2 – almost certainly
    3 – without a doubt

  26. Davidson,

    No, I’m not sure. I read it on a comment at Talk Left. I guess I shouldn’t have passed it on. I did say it was gossip…

  27. Who are the crazy people giving 22 mil. to a candidate who lost already?

  28. If you get a Postage Paid return envelope from Obama, Dean, or NARAL, be sure and send them $1… in pennies.

  29. myiq2xu,
    “But they cut her quote short because she also said that she expected the Democratic party would find a solution that didn’t disenfranchise two states. (i.e. revotes)”

    Do you know the link to that full quote? I’ve been looking for it and can’t find it. Is it only on audio tap or has anyone transcribed it?

  30. I think Hillary elected at the beginning to split donations between the primary and general. That means she’s short on funds now but has money built up for later, if she is the nominee.

    It has to do with FEC rulz.

  31. Katiebird: I found it once but I don’t know where it is now. It was a transcript of the radio station interview.

  32. In my opinion Obama violated the no campaigning rules in Florida by flooding the state with television advertising. Therefore he is entitled to exactly NO DELEGATES from Florida.

  33. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90696947

    I heard this while driving home tonight. It was on “All Things Considered” and you can click the Contact Us button and make a comment.

    The “reporter” either doesn’t know or care to understand that Florida Democrats were forced to move their primaries forward by the Republican legislature. Those who removed their names from the Michigan ballots weren’t ones projected to be winners. Not having these states in the ring made it appear that Barack Obama who gamed the caucuses in the small Republican states had the momentum.

    As for Barack Obama being such a splendid candidate, it was more the media’s adoratiaon of him that catapulted him to the foreground. His weak resume and connections to Rezko, Wright, Ayers, and others in the Chicago political machine were well known but contained. It will be left to the Republicans to educate the voting public.

  34. Our Book Club met tonight and as I predicted, I passed the hat for Hillary! We came up with $53.14 in donations! It may not be huge on the scale of things but every little bit helps. All 11 of us are huge Hillary fans and the conversation worked itself around to the general. Nobody likes Obama. First time ever in this group that there has been a solid concensus on anything!

  35. Sexist NBC has a poll. I

    Subject: please vote if you get a chance at this poll—Clinton needs votes

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24740619/from/ET/

  36. I’m a FL voter and I am SOOOOOOO HAPPY she is bringing to the convention.

    She is fighting for everybody’s vote, her vote, Obama’s Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich, or those who voted in protest.

    IT’S OUR AMERICAN RIGHT. This is what people die for in some parts of the world, and people died here to fight for the right to vote.

    Now 2+ million people are being denied that right.

    This is not what the Democratic party stands for. If it fought for 537 votes, it can certainly fight for 2+million!

    And if they don’t – then I’m going to do what Riverdaughter did. Sign up as an “unaffiliated.”

    Last time I checked, EVERY VOTE COUNTS – and if the DNC is going to stop counting votes, why did they hold a primary in the first place? Why didn’t they just do the anointing themselves without the 57 (minus 2) states hoopla??

    Rise Hillary, Rise!!!

  37. I used to really enjoy NPR reporting. This primary has really made me wonder how ‘informed’ I have really been.

  38. jjmtacoma,

    No it wasn’t but it should have been. Question 15 is “If you could offer one piece of advice to our nominee, what would it be?”

    I’m gonna write, ” I will support the nominee, who ever she may be.”

  39. myiq2u,
    I had it too or saw it but, didn’t realize how rare it would prove to be.

    Oh, well….

  40. How do you say troll in Russian?

  41. katiebird: Curious, isn’t it? You’d think it would be fairly easy to find.

  42. Onward! We will fight in Boca Raton. We will fight in Pensacola. We will fight in Missoula. We will fight in San Juan. We will fight in Rapid City. AND WE WILL FIGHT IN DENVER.

    I heard “This is our Country” while I was working out tonight. Just love that song now. “From the East coast to the West coast….”

  43. Does anyone here know if the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting will be televised?

    We have to see the people who are fighting to suppress 2.3 mio Dems who performed their citizen duties. We want to hear them make that case.

    I want to see Donna Brazile and whomever else say “The Rulz are The Rulz”

  44. Re: jjmtacoma @ 9:23

    NPR has been pretty much a loss since 2003, when Kevin Tomlinson took over CPB vowing to purge its networks of “liberal bias.” You know, that pesky reality thing.

    Re: Hillary. The bitch will do anything to win! Including beat Bambi! FOR SHAME!

  45. Shhhh, RD! You’re getting your crazy Earth logic all over their sweet, sweet delusion.

    Has anyone else received the 2008 Presidential Campaign Survey from the DNC?

    Yep! I mentioned it here last night. I have to get it filled out tonight so I can send it in tomorrow.

  46. That’s what I thought

  47. I was listening to All Things Considered on the train this evening. The trouble with that was I then started responding (in some not so very “ladylike” words) to Meeechelle Norris about the FL early primary. I was sooo annoyed. But I realized not a moment too soon that I neede to be quiet and reply via email when I got home.
    This is getting me into public trouble now. First at work, now on the train. I need to stop listening to NPR. (again)

  48. Does anyone know a Hillary delegate to the convention? Are these delegates strong like she is? Can they stand their ground and not back down?

  49. Mawm,

    Flew in from Miami Beach BOAC
    Didn’t get to bed last night
    Oh, the way the paper bag was on my knee
    Man, I had a dreadful flight
    I’m back in the USSR
    You don’t know how lucky you are, boy
    Back in the USSR, yeah

  50. That sentence from Contessa Whatever, does not even make sense? Where do they find these people? Do they have a high school diploma at least?

  51. Isn’t the lovely Contessa one of Rupert Murdoch’s “finds” for his FAUX NEWS? Did she move to CNN around the same time Megyn Kelly or whatever her name is waltzed her way into the FAUX hearts and minds?

  52. Hasn’t the USSR been dissolved?

    Maybe someone should ask BO that if he ever gets to debate John McCain.

  53. ben

    captfsup (or something like that) told us last night that he/she? got selected to be a delegate for her from NC

  54. Ann On – I think I missed the memo.

  55. Until the last dog dies.

  56. And Hillary picked up a super delegate from my home state of Ohio today. Although, I think this whole superdelegate thing is over-rated.

  57. pm317, on May 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm Said:
    That sentence from Contessa Whatever, does not even make sense? Where do they find these people? Do they have a high school diploma at least?

    I think they are so used to saying whatever they want, and no one ever calls them on it.
    We have allowed the media to introduce the most vile narratives into our lives, and we have consumed it day after day.
    I think many people, definitely Clinton supporters, are waking up to the fact that the media is EVIL, and any Democrat that sucks on that tit is drinking more than Kool-AID. They’re drinking the poison that kills our politics.

  58. if Hillary takes this to the convention we may really need to think about having a Confluence presence in Denver. a very large presence, just to let her know we’ve got her back. how cool would that be?

  59. The awakening to the evil of the MSM ought to have come before Clinton (the First) was ever nominated. Rent “the Hunting of the President”. MSM has been compromised since Reagan – at least.

  60. myiq2xu, katiebird,
    Here is the snippet of the audio interview Hillary Clinton did. It’s a recording.

    Always thought that this issue is important, so, i bookmarked the web page. :)

  61. Charles,

    A commenter on Talk Left linked to your blog today.

  62. Mawm, on May 21st, 2008 at 9:52 pm Said:

    So many people have disappointed me this election season and I don’t think I’ll ever give my trust and ears to any of these people any more — Rehm and EJ were probably the hardest to bear — I really thought they knew something. Krugman saved the day sometimes. With Contessa like people, they are just going for a pleasing face and fluency — just have to keep it coming whether it makes sense or not. Are they reading off the teleprompters, I don’t know.

    With that speech video, she cut Clinton off to say whatever stupid thing she said — Clinton was actually making an interesting point there, almost poetic if you look at the transcript — like your vote is your prayer, an expression of your dreams… I thought that was pretty neat.

  63. felvenall,

    xxoo THANK you!!

    I’m going to listen right now!

  64. Oh, and bookmark it myself…..

  65. Those who defend the indefensible sound arrogant and without moral compass. A friend who is a teacher assistant, told a sh*t disturber that was behaving stupid. Now he has to go before the board and the father of the kid for review. My friend told me all these words, words, that he would use to defend himself. My advice: don’t do that. Admit your mistake, be humble, and end it with a big “I’m sorry”. I say the same to the DNC leadership, stop defending the decision to strip MI and FL voters their voice. Whatever measure you need to castigate the delegates of those states, it should not include the voters because it’s the right thing to do. I written to Gov. Dean at least three times asking him to stop punishing the voters who took their time to vote. They did nothing wrong. All those who feel the DNC leadership is wrong, should drop a single courteous email:

    http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/chairman

    I also told him that I will not consider BO the legitimate Democratic nominee if the DNC ignores MI and FL votes in the nomination process. It’s not about what those in the media say; it’s how we respond about the disenfranchisement of our brothers and sisters who voted to make their voices heard.

  66. AND DAVID COOK WINS!!!! The American people haven’t lost their way completely.

  67. I remember seeing Brewer on MSNBC sometime after Super Tuesday, where she actually said that Clinton was really no more than a Dem version of Huckabee (in other words, fighting a losing battle) even though she and Obama were basically tied at that point.

    Even the usual MSNBC flacks she was talking to were shocked by the comment.

  68. BEN!!!! some of us are watching on tivo time delay!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!! :)

  69. Ben: Yes, I’m a “Hillary strong” delegate. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

    I’ll definitely be bending any Obama-bots elbows I can, if there’s a second ballot (or, heck, on the first ballot!!). I won’t stop until Sen. Clinton tells me to!!! I’m a former Army CPT and an Iraq vet…don’t worry about me!

  70. {{ben}} I almost announced that! I’m in Kansas City and ALL my Hillary supporting co-workers LOVE him. They voted for him for hours last night.

    I consider it an omen that he won!

  71. capt—sorry if I got your handle and /or gender wrong :)

  72. pm317, on May 21st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    The readers like Contessa are really just robots with programming instructions to execute. If something does not fit the script they blow up and say really strange things. It is like the Robots from cheap 50s Sci-Fi movies.

    BZZ BLAP TWING …
    DOES NOT COMPUTE…
    ZIP CHK CHOK CLACK
    DOES NOT COMPUTE

    BOOM!

  73. {{gary}} I’m sorry. But don’t blame Ben — we’re all such good friends, it’s natural to want to share good news right away. It was almost me spilling the beans this time.

  74. katie—i was kidding…I remember I spoiled Survivor for you last week

  75. David Cook has a nice butt!

  76. Katie: Archuleta was sooo Obama. David Cook was sooo Hillary. It seemed like Archuleta would get praised for anything he did and there was David Cook, strong and a class act until the very end.

  77. gary – don’t worry about it! And I, in turn, will not say anything bad about Chapel Thri…Hill! :)

  78. Sorry Katie. I waited until he finished singing his song and finished talking with my friend who, by the way, voted for Hillary here in Ohio and will be voting for McCain if Barry is the nominee. We are everywhere.

  79. lol at ben…..we do that all the time. If we see someone on tv we don’t like we’re both like I’ll bet he/she is soooo into obama…

  80. @ ben carlson: I know of 2 delegates for HRC in RI who are personal friends of hers. One was in Bill’s administration (though unfortunately we know that not all of those people turned out to be loyal). But these 2 are very strong supporters of Hillary and will have her back.

  81. Ben & Gary, I told a longer version of this story earlier. Did you here?

    Here’s a story:

    I asked one of my friends if she’s been following the election. And she said, “Oh, yes — I was up ’till nearly midnight last night calling in to vote”

  82. Sadly, NYT, NPR, BBC and even C-SPAN have taken up the Obama campaign claims in this regard.

    Makes the eventual victory all the much sweeter, don’t it.

    Major new post of mine up top, BTW, and I’ll have limited troll-fighting time this eve and overnight. Legion of Troll-Whacking Justice, do your stuff!

  83. crap, from Katie’s earlier post I assumed David Cook was someone running for local office where she lives. I guess I’m pop culture challenged.

  84. capt—I could say plenty bad about chapel hill. This place is obama central, for all of you trekkies the heart of the borg cube if you will…..its SCARY. In fact, they just opened a trader joe’s here and it is always packed with obama drones…

  85. ronk, I’m sharpening my “claws” right now.

  86. It would be ridiculous to assume that the talking heads, and the talking itself out of MSNBC, has not been orchestrated just as those “talking points memos” over at Fox revealed. Does someone mean to tell me that all of their pundits, from Tweety to KO to Gregory, etc., are in complete agreement and have collectively put objectivity aside in favor of one candidate?

    Tuning to Fox you know what to expect. They are fillers for the GOP. No secret there. But MSNBC supposedly derives its audience from the left and has made no apologies for their constant Obama drumbeat long before the primaries have concluded. His foibles and inexperience deserve a second look, particularly by someone like KO who prides himself on pointing out those from the other side.

    Having just watched Hillary’s Florida video I am more impressed than ever by her courtroom skills. She laid out the case in clear, concise language and I would find it difficult for the opposition to defend this transgression by simply pointing to the “rules”. Her argument has merit.

  87. People need to go back and analyze the initial rationale for “punishing” Fla and Michigan. It is not that they didn’t want the prospective votes from these states to count in determining the nominee*. Rather, they didn’t want these votes to come in earlier than some preordained order. (Dean, recall, said it would show disrespect to the states that were to have their primary first, and in particular, they wanted certain state(s) with a high representation of african americans to have their input first.) Now the very idea that the impact of a vote is allowable if it come a time t-1, but not allowable if it comes at time t-2, is suspect. But presumably the rationale is either (1) by moving up their primary, the results of the earlier voters influence (the perceptions, or perceived choices, of?) the other states that vote later and/or (2) moving too many states up makes it too difficult for the candidates to adequately campaign in the states in question. Now, having announced votes from those states would not count, and not campaigning there, the DNC effectively precluded the problem posed by both (1) and (2). Therefore, the resulting votes are FREE of the key difficulties that constituted the only reasonable rationale for discounting the votes. Therefore, it follows that the votes can now be COUNTED!

    [ It was assumed that, as in the past, a fairly obvious winner would emerge---they were not precluding votes that could have a decisive influence on the nominee. (Were high precision called for, there wouldn’t be those vague caucuses and a hodge-podge of different voting rules in different states.) In other words, the whole exercise was more appearance than substance, i.e., to avoid appearing as if some states were allowed to push ahead of the line, thereby “disrespecting” those that came later. Since no substantive problems were caused (as argued above), a concern for appearance MUST be superceded by the substantive aim of allowing properly garnered votes to count.]

    If anybody has knowledge of a different justification for the discounting of votes from states that shifted their primary dates, I’d be glad to hear it.

  88. ronk et al…..won’t be able to fend off the trolls tonight either…going to see Indiana Jones at midnight!

  89. wow Gary, I just realized how much I miss Trader Joe’s. we used to shop there in D.C. but we don’t have one in “bama and probably won’t in my lifetime. if you can ignore the drones it’s a cool store. check out the spices – stuff you don’t see everywhere.

  90. kiki it really is so bad that I can’t go there. it’s sad. but we have another store called A Southern Season–gourmet groceries….it is head and shoulders above joes imo

  91. Oh, Charles — How frustrating. It takes place in California, but you don’t see it for 2 hours?

    I’m so sorry.

  92. “David Cook has a nice butt!”

    I have a nice one too, but I don’t know where it is. I think I lost it at the blackjack tables in Vegas. So for now I have to use this old flabby one.

  93. Hatshepsut,,

    It looks like they punished Florida and Michigan to hurt Clinton. South Carolina moved up its primary too, but it was not punished at all. Why was SC allowed to move their primary forward and FL and MI get punished.

    Both Obama and Edwards took their name off the Ballot in Michigan. We have seen many examples of Obama not wanting to participate in an election he is not going to win, and I believe this is what he did in MI.
    Why should he be allowed to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the vote in MI when he took his name off the ballot and was not required to do so?
    He also had his supporters like Monica Conyers tell people to vote Uncommited. Sounded a lot like campaigning to me.
    Obama is a rat. He likes to win by suppressing the vote. It is how he got started in politics, knocking Alice Palmer off the ballot, and it is how he is trying to win this primary.
    Democrats MUST stand for voting rights, or the party will go the way of the Whigs.

  94. Well enough for me tonight. Sorry I spoiled the AI surprise for those on the West Coast. Odd, though, that you you get it two hours later when it actually happens in your time zone.

    What’s really odd is that people are writing the same things I want to write and vice versa. This is nothing like My DD where people always seemed to be scratching their heads at my comments.

  95. Ben,

    You’re in the right place. Aren’t we lucky that we found Riverdaughter’s place?

  96. (nodding)

  97. jjmtacoma@9:49

    Google this: kevin tomlinson cpb

    Prepare to be sickened.

  98. All you upthreaders are being to nice. To make it simple and honest – Contessa has shit for brains.

  99. Sweetee and all: Yep, you can have T-shirts made from quotes that reside on CNN’s site…

    So, I am waiting for Gergen to call for Obama to “tell sexists he doesn’t want their vote.” To paraphrase Gergen it would be “Obama, here’s my challenge to you — say to the people of America, if you are voting against Hillary because she is a woman, I don’t want your vote.” Can you say that Obama?

    This assinine comment by Gergen is the worst “buddy” bonding I have seen in a while. I guess he feels the “male pain” more than the “female pain.” Ugh… I just want to barf. I can’t look at the guy, Gergen, ever again without thinking he actually has fooled us all this time and really DOES HAVE MUSH FOR BRAINS!

    Bejebus, are there any smart men left on the MSM? Has any of them figured out what it means to have “equal rules of engagement”?

    I just wanna scream.

    Obama has talked incessantly about healing all divides including gays and straights, but he can’t bring himself to say the words “women’s rights” or “heal the divide between men and women” or anything close to it. Gag. Get a life Gergen and wake up from your privileged sleep!

  100. Did anyone “promise” to rig a primary election to ensure a desired result? Did anyone “promise” to suspend the democratic process in two states? Did anyone promise to keep their mouths shut or go along to get along or hand-over the keys to the White House to anyone who came dancing down the road?

    Don’t think so. Take it to the convention!

  101. Voters are NOT going to rally behind Hillary’s opponent in the general election for many reasons, but the worst part is the disgust turned to apathy over and as a result of media coverage. This evening, I had so many South Dakota hang ups, I called it a night before ending time. Still, they have 2 weeks left. Most who talk are not just undecided. Perplexed is how they feel.

  102. Julie, I find it so hard to believe that not everyone recognizes the intellectual superiority of we Obama supporters. Can you believe the peeps have actually said to me, do you actually think that following George W. Bush spiritual twin around like a brainwashed cult member makes you smart? Whatevs! Oh, like they’re soooo similar–just because they share the same lack of experience, lack of interest in policy, lack of policy expertise, arrogant belief that policy doesn’t matter if you can slide into office without knowing a damn thing about it, lack of interest in actually accomplishing anything outside the purely political realm, nothing to offer but insipid bumper sticker slogans? Whatevs again! They bumper sticker slogans are so not even close, bush CAPITALIZED ‘change’ obama always uses lowercase. Bush said ‘uniter,’ Obama says ‘unity,’ helllooooooo? They’re, like, two totally different guys–one lives in dc, one in chicago, they can be in the same room together, they don’t share the same physical space, hello!!! Plus, like D is such a beautiful letter, and R is so straight and scary. D is like a Jay-Z joint, R is like *zomg* country music, yanno?

    Knowing stuff is like, super lameo, and Obama is too cool for that. I think some of her supporters wouldn’t have blown off my final today–but i had to, cuz like, that book stuff, what, health care policy?????!!! is the type of thing my *maid* would care about–and have you seen her hair? NOT hott!!! Not even shiny!!! Thinking gives me a headache, but put it into a 5 word or less bumper sticker–and I’ll get someone to read it 4 me! xxxxoooooo

  103. Some comments I copied from elsewhere – Taylor marsh’s comments, I think.

    Would you like to watch the rules committee May 31? EMAIL C-SPAN

    To: journal@c-span.org; viewer@c-span.org
    Subject: DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting

    Can I count on c-span to cover this very important meeting?

    What: DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting
    When: May 31, 2008 – 9:30 AM
    Morning Session: Oral Arguments
    Afternoon Session: Consideration and Debate
    Where: Marriott Wardman Park Hotel – Salon I

    ———————————————

    Sezu,

    I watched the entire 90 minute August 25, 2007 Rules and Bylaws meeting in which Florida was stripped of delegates. The PRIMARY supporters were, interestingly, half of the listed “UNDECIDED” group, namely:

    Brazille (DC)
    Ralph Dawson (NY)(he introduced the motion)
    Yvonne Gates ( NV)
    Alice Germond (DC) – DNC Secretary
    and Hartina Flournay listed as an HRC supporter.

    All of the most adamant speakers AGAINST seating Florida were AA. Make of it what you will or, better yet, check the video available on c-span in the archives.

    Once I watched the proceedings it became even more clear to me that knee-capping Florida has been a DNC strategy even before the primaries began.
    wyntre | 05.21.2008 – 7:22 pm

    ———————————————

    http://www.alternet.org/module/email/?storyID=86091&type=wire

    Committee May 31:

    Co-Chairs – no endorsement
    Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. )
    James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )

    Members – Clinton supporters (13)
    Hartina Flournay (DC)
    Donald Fowler (SC)
    Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)
    Alice Huffman (CA)
    Ben Johnson (DC)
    Elaine Kamarck (MA)
    Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
    Mona Pasquil (CA)
    Mame Reiley (VA)
    Garry Shay (CA)
    Elizabeth Smith (DC)
    Michael Steed (MD)
    Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)

    Members – Obama supporters (8)
    Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
    Carol Khare Fowler (SC)
    Janice Griffin (MD)
    Thomas Hynes (IL)
    Allan Katz (FL)
    Sharon Stroschein (SD)
    Sarah Swisher (IA)
    Everett Ward (NC)

    Members – no known endorsement (7)
    Donna Brazille (DC)
    Mark Brewer (MI)
    Ralph Dawson (NY)
    Yvonne Gates ( NV)
    Alice Germond (DC) – DNC Secretary
    David McDonald (WA)
    Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)

    ————————————

  104. As felvenal mentioned above, Obama supporters continue to selectively quote from HRC’s New Hampshire Public Radio interview with Laura Knoy on Thursday, October 11, 2007.

    http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

    When I googled the quote, ALL that came up were the
    selective citations of this one line, almost all of them in comment sections of pro-Obama blogs : “You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything, “, but I could find no record of the entire interview.

    So I transcribed it. Here’s the full transcript of HRC’s answer to the question:

    (caller Q)

    HRC: I signed the DNC pledge not to campaign, not to spend money, in any of the states that were not in compliance with the rules established by the DNC that certainly strongly maintains NH’s status. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot…(remarks about people of NH & IA wanting to win GE)…But if you look at some of the states we have to win, the margins have been narrow, and it wasn’t in my view meaningful, but I’m not going to say that there’s absolutely a total ignoring of the people in all these other states that won’t come back to haunt us if we’re not careful about it.

    ( Host Q re: then why not just take your name off)

    HRC: I personally did not think it made any difference, uh, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything, but I just personally didn’t want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever and then after the nomination you know we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win in Michigan in November 2008. I’m not going to campaign there before the deadline of the February 5th window, I’m not going to spend any money there, but I did not believe it was fair to , you know, just say, “Goodbye, Michigan” and not take into account the fact that we’re going to have to win Michigan if we’re going to be in the White House in January, 2009.

    (Host Q re: do you think it was a tactical mistake by Mssrs Obama and Edwards to take their names off?

    HRC: Well, they have to speak for themselves.

  105. (posted this once but it didn’t show up–sorry if this will be a dupe)

    Here’s the full transcript of HRC’s interview back in October on New Hampshire Public Radio.

    http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

    (caller Q)

    HRC: I signed the DNC pledge not to campaign, not to spend money, in any of the states that were not in compliance with the rules established by the DNC that certainly strongly maintains NH’s status. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot…(remarks about people of NH & IA wanting to win GE)…But if you look at some of the states we have to win, the margins have been narrow, and it wasn’t in my view meaningful, but I’m not going to say that there’s absolutely a total ignoring of the people in all these other states that won’t come back to haunt us if we’re not careful about it.

    ( Host Q re: then why not just take your name off)

    HRC: I personally did not think it made any difference, uh, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything, but I just personally didn’t want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever and then after the nomination you know we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win in Michigan in November 2008. I’m not going to campaign there before the deadline of the February 5th window, I’m not going to spend any money there, but I did not believe it was fair to , you know, just say, “Goodbye, Michigan” and not take into account the fact that we’re going to have to win Michigan if we’re going to be in the White House in January, 2009.

    (Host Q re: do you think it was a tactical mistake by Mssrs Obama and Edwards to take their names off?

    HRC: Well, they have to speak for themselves.

  106. I just got sent to a link on MSNBC for a survey on Hillary dropping out. Was sent the link by Hillary speaks for me, sad part isn’t BO winning the Poll, but that MSNBC erroneously states Hillary’s name was the only one on the Democratic ballot in Michigan. My understanding was that all names were on it, except Obama and Edwards and they opted off.

  107. [...] “But she PROMISED!” (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) I watched the video of Hillary’s speech in Florida from MSNBC and it is all coming back to me why I decided to only watch C-Span. At the very end of it, Contessa Brewer comes on and says something to the effect: “But what makes her think she can get the votes from Florida and Michigan when she *promised* not to campaign there?”… What does a promise to not campaign in the states have to do with championing the rights of the voters of those two states to have their votes counted?… So, they didn’t campaign. (Ok, well *Clinton* didn’t campaign. Obama bought $1.4 Million dollars worth of cable ads) So what? It’s a complete non-sequitor with respect to honoring the votes. No, Contessa, you can’t have your way this time. Somebody’s got to act like a grown up. [...]

  108. [...] “But she PROMISED!” (by riverdaughter at The Confluence) I watched the video of Hillary’s speech in Florida from MSNBC and it is all coming back to me why I decided to only watch C-Span. At the very end of it, Contessa Brewer comes on and says something to the effect: “But what makes her think she can get the votes from Florida and Michigan when she *promised* not to campaign there?”… What does a promise to not campaign in the states have to do with championing the rights of the voters of those two states to have their votes counted?… So, they didn’t campaign. (Ok, well *Clinton* didn’t campaign. Obama bought $1.4 Million dollars worth of cable ads) So what? It’s a complete non-sequitor with respect to honoring the votes. No, Contessa, you can’t have your way this time. Somebody’s got to act like a grown up. [...]

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