If your eyes are on me, you’re looking at country.*

It seems the MSM is going absolutely bonkers in trying to portray Hillary Clinton’s declaration of the obvious as playing the “race card”.

“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

Now first of all, there is absolutely NOTHING racist in what she said. It happens to be a fact (as were her comments about LBJ/MLK that the Obama campaign used in their own race-baiting game). I suppose that by extension the AP must be racist because they were the ones that reported what she said in the first place.

Now the attention turns to West Virginia and Kentucky and the MSM/Obama nutroots/Obama campaign want to remind us just how racist those Appalachian hillbillies are.

May 9, 2008 — WASHINGTON – First it was Bill Clinton dismissing Barack Obama as just another black candidate winning South Carolina.

Now comes Hillary Rodham Clinton, splashing moonshine onto those smoldering embers by telling West Virginia voters that “hardworking Americans, white Americans” support her, not Obama.

Now isn’t Charles Hurt from the NY Post the clever one? With his headline “Desperate Hillbillies Threaten to Break Up Party” and his first few paragraphs, he managed to insult a former President, the junior Senator from New York, AND 21 million people in 13 different states.

See, it is perfectly alright to use derogatory, inflamatory, and prejudicial language against people, as long as they are poor white people who have a history of being looked down upon and pigeon-holed as “white-trash” and “rednecks”. And don’t even think about comparing them to African Americans. Apparently their fragile psyches (or at least those of the white people who pretend to speak for them) can’t possibly take the trauma.

I know what Appalachia is like. I grew up in Lenoir, NC, which is in Caldwell County in the western part of the state. I went to a High School that kept a box of shoes in the office because so many of my classmates didn’t have any, and they would have to dart quickly into the office in the morning to “borrow” a pair before the other kids saw them. I watched kids get off the bus on what seemed to me a deserted stretch of road and wander up the ravine (or holler, to the locals) to God knows what kind of home. These were not do-nothing lazy “hicks” either. Most of them worked for minimum wage in the furniture factories of Western NC/Eastern Tennessee.

Not only did I grow up in Appalachia NC, I went to college in Radford, VA, and I went to grad school in Kentucky, so for most of my life I have lived and worked in this area. Discrimination continues to be a problem, as noted by many academics:

The model of ethnicity has been applied in this paper to Appalachian natives. The problems suffered by Appalachians in terms of high dropout rates, institutional discrimination, prejudice, and stereotyping are familiar to other ethnic minority groups. Yet because the majority of the population in Appalachia are racially indistinct from mainstream Americans, there is resistance to the notion of ethnic difference. This has significant repercussions.

One of the stereotypes of Appalachia is that they are all racist. In fact, people in Appalachia are not any more racist than the white population in general. During the lead up to the civil war, Appalachia tended to side with the abolitionist North. That is why West Virginia exists in the first place:

At the outset of the Civil War the northwestern counties of Virginia overwhelmingly opposed the state’s ordinance of secession (Apr. 17, 1861). Unable to halt Virginia’s secession from the Union, westerners in the state were quick to take advantage of a long-awaited opportunity for their own separation from Virginia. Protected by federal troops, delegates representing most of Virginia’s western counties met at Wheeling on June 11, 1861, and nullified the Virginia ordinance of secession, declared the offices of the state government at Richmond to be vacated, and formed the “restored government” of Virginia, with Francis H. Pierpont as governor.

Appalachian people have a history of poverty, discrimination, unequal access to education and jobs, and being pandered to by politicians. Sound familiar to anyone? In fact, they probably have more in common with most African Americans than the so called “creative class”. They also are typically hard working, committed to their families, and have a rich cultural heritage, also very much like the African American community. In my opinion it is the height of hypocrisy on the part of the white liberal blogger set to embrace one of these communities and reject the other. If not hypocrisy, then it is the blatant using of the African American community to reach their political goals. How very Machiavellian of them.

I want to point out that some of the language we are bound to see in the coming weeks, words like hillbilly, hick, white-trash, bubba, etc. are every much as hateful and bigoted as the n-word, and other derogatory ways of speaking about African Americans. We will see them, I would wager however, on the headlines of every prominent newspaper and MSM website being used with impunity.

I would like to add that my favorite daughter of Appalachia, Loretta Lynn, was not only an extraordinary singer/songwriter, she was also at the forefront of feminism. “The Pill” was banned from a lot of country music stations when it first came out in 1975, take a listen:

(note: I’m not sure what the video is about, but this was the only complete version of the song I could find on You Tube)

*Post title from “You’re Looking at Country” by Loretta Lynn.

118 Responses

  1. I enjoyed your post. I’m originally from NW Virginia very close to West Virginia border and agree with your take entirely. And it is very offensive language to use the term “hillbilly”. The way Obama and his supporters (including much of mainstream media) are using race, gender, sexual orientation, and even age is going to do a lot of damage for years to come. They seem to be encouraging an “Us vs Them” mentality for their own benefit which is so very divisive and evil.

  2. The Obama people have NO IDEA of what they’re doing. None. West Virginia and Kentucky were settled by Scots-Irish. They are fiercly independent and belligerent. If you go to West Virginia and call them racists when all they want is a fair break for the hard work they do, you are going to get creamed.

  3. Thanks Gary, I just asked about this topic in a previous threat. Great job.

    It may be inconsequential to others, but for whatever the reason, the box of shoes anecdote really got to me. Sometimes we need to be reminded how fortunate we are.

    Thanks again.

  4. Wow. Gary — this is a fantastically well thought out post.

  5. !! And written. It’s beautiful. Thank you.

  6. Thank you, Gary. My mother is from WV and I have lots of relatives there. Though they may jokingly refer to themselves as “hillbillies,” they are anything but “lazy hicks.” On the contrary, they are hardworking, intelligent, hospitable, openminded people. I can’t wait to see what West Virginians have to say come Tuesday.

  7. Maggie: They seem to be encouraging an “Us vs Them” mentality for their own benefit which is so very divisive and evil.

    Yup, pretty much, it seems to be all about perceived hegemony, center-periphery and stereotyping the other.

  8. Gary- Great post, I can’t believe that I have never heard that song but I am not surprised that it was banned in 1975.

    The Obama team is going to everything in its power to convince the people on WV and Kentucky that there is no reason to vote, since the game is over , Mission Accomplished –we get Obama for our nominee. But rest assured, this is just the warm up. Wait and see what is in store for Puerto Rico. When Obama finishes marginalizing poor white people, he will start on the Hispanics. We all know that the PR votes don’t count, they are not even real Americans!!

  9. Okay so I’m not a white person, but I have to ask those of you that are—are you ashamed of being white or do you just think of it as something that you are? When I was very young there was a tendency among older Puerto Ricans to feel an odd shame about being Puerto Rican when in the larger American culture. My parents, for example, always wanted us children to never draw attention to ourselves and whenever an infamous crime was committed we always heard them say, “thank god he isn’t Puerto Rican.” But as I matured I realized it wasn’t shame, but rather fear. Because no one could have been prouder or fonder of Puerto Rico than our parent’s generation. So being Puerto Rican is part of who I am. I’m happy about it and wouldn’t want to be anything else. Standing in the sidelines, as i am, I really can’t figure out how white people must be feeling about all this. Do you feel as if Obama supporters are telling you that the only way it is OK to be white is if you are an Obama supporter, cause that’s how it seems to me. Although I wouldn’t presume to know how you feel, which is why I’m asking and I hope you don’t consider it an inappropriate question.

  10. I think Catholics and poor white rural people are really the only two groups where it is widely acceptable to ridicule them. I really hate all the “coalition” political talk because it does cultivate divides. Of course you cannot escape the reality of the situation that these categories of people are generally voting in different ways. *Sigh…*

  11. Obama has a bad track record with non-AA working class voters. The media framing of this as a race issue from the very beginning to demonize Clinton, who had nothing to gain from using race, will only inflame racial and class tensions even more (and this includes Latino working class voters).

    They are setting themselves up nicely to be eviscerated by the right. And the worst part: the GOP won’t even have to smear him; just use his own words and actions against him. Facts, evidence, truth are the ultimate Obama-bashers.

  12. The haka is really strong. I wonder what the coverage will be like after West Virginia.

  13. Maria: I have never been ashamed of my color. I *do* recognize that I take some things for granted but I have no more control over the color of my skin than I do my gender which is decidedly female.
    I am not responsible for the behavior of others and there are many more white people who see past color than there are those sho indulge in discrimination because of self interest. I choose not to associate myself with groups that do this. That is why I am not a Republican. And now, I am not a Democrat either. Obama has not elevated the discussion on race. He has exploited it. And if he is the nominee of the party, well it’s not my party anymore.

  14. Excellent, educational post. The Obama/Shrillosphere/MSM triad is destroying the coalition that has been the Democratic party’s power base.

    Apparently, Obamaphiles think they can build a movement on the Olbermann/Countdown demographic.

  15. Naturally, when I heard the audio clip being played yesterday evening, I KNEW it would be intentionally misconstrued to infer “racist” undertones. Let’s ignore the “blue-collar” Hillary used to describe those voters Obama clearly isn’t motivating. She didn’t state or suggest he was unable to get the “White” vote – the BLUE-COLLAR white” vote in states where they are the majority; meaning their support will prove critical in the general election. These nitwits choose to pretend that appealing to these voters, enthusiastically, isn’t an issue now. We’ll see what tune they’re seeing come November.

  16. WS: More of the same but I think the racist stuff will be more pronounced after West Virginia. I just think he’s picking a fight with the wrong people. There’s going to be a backlash.

  17. Edwards tells USA TODAY Washington bureau chief Susan Page that he did not. Here’s her report:

    Edwards, who has ducked questions about endorsing either of his former rivals for president, sparked speculation this morning that his secret choice is Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. On MSNBC, he allowed that he would endorse the person he cast his ballot for in the North Carolina primary. And he said something that to some ears sounded like this: “I just voted for him on Tuesday, so …”

    Him?

    “I said I voted for ‘em,’ ” Edwards said in an interview shortly afterwards with USA TODAY. “I’m a Southerner. … It wasn’t meant to be male or female.”

  18. Great post, gary.

    The accusations of racism are to me unforgiveable.

  19. Obama doesn’t appeal to the working class because of his message. He appeals to african americans on a personal level, it’s not his Bill Bradley message.

  20. African Americans have made a deal with the Chris Bowers of the country, them PBR drinkin’ Whole Foods shoppers. African Americans need to take a long hard look at some of their “allies”. While their “creative class” “friends” are driving their fancy 60+ mpg hybrids without even tossing them a $30 bone, what are they going to do when gas hits $5/gallon?

    African Americans are going to have to ask themselves who they feel has their best interest at heart: the Chris Bowers wing of the Party or us Hillary supporting folk who care about rewarding work. It’s clear which wing Obama and Donna Brazile represent and is that the one they really want?

  21. Maria Garcia–This is going to sound silly, but I really don’t think of myself as being ‘white’, unless these racial issues are being debated. That is probably because I am part of the ‘majority’ in the culture. I do feel that I am ‘female’ in a way that goes to my very core. Other things like being Catholic and Irish, give my life ‘color’ and ‘texture’.

    I think that Obama is trying to make whites guilty for not voting for him. I must admit that I will take my Hillary bumper stickers off my car (Yes, I do have more than one. You have a problem with that?), if Obama is the nominee. I live in Baltimore City and I would not feel safe with it on, once the primaries were over. I am worried that people would feel that I was against Obama because of his race, rather than because I feel that he did not win the nomination fairly.

  22. Wonderful post, Gary. I used to live in Athens, Ohio, when my dad taught at Ohio U. It is in the coal-mining country near the WV border. We used to drive through WV and I know the kinds of places you are describing. WV is a very beautiful place, but there are lots of people who are really poor and struggling.

    Unfortunately for Chris Bowers, Markos, and the other Obama bloggers who are using AA’s to get what they want, Obama is actually using AA’s and these bloggers to get what the ruling class wants–and they are in turn using Obama. Sick, isn’t it?

  23. RD,

    Look at the game the GOP is playing, even Fox News. They are talking about how much of a travesty FL and MI is to voters. They (e.g. Cavuto and co.) are asking why the Obama campaign is trying to force Hillary out. McCain is talking about Obama’s ageist rhetoric. They are laughing at the absurd use of the race card. They are setting the narrative for the backlash.

    They are going to make an appeal to Hillary supporters who feel slighted about the thuggery of Obama and his surrogates. They are going to point to Bowers and ask older people if that’s what they want in a president. They are going to ask working class Hispanics and Asian Americans if they liked being called racist. It’s all there already.

  24. Ryan,

    We have learned during this campaign that it’s still highly acceptable to ridicule and disrespect women. There are other groups that our society considers deserving of open bigotry–gay people, and fat people are two examples.

  25. This is amazing. Let me tell you how appropriate this post is right now to me.
    I work at UNC in Chapel Hill, NC. The nexus of the progressive “Creative class” in NC. I am the only Clinton supporter I know about in an office full of Obamabots. Today, right after I read this post, one of them caught me as I was headed toward the bathroom. He gestured to his monior and said, “Look, a Clinton’s voter”. There on the screen was a toothless old white man in overalls carrying a jug of moonshine.
    I immediately went off on him, and told him how offensive I thought he was. I think I really shocked him.
    This crap is only going to get worse people, because their idea of Unity is Hegemony.

  26. Mawm,

    Wow! That is unbelieveable. Good for you for letting him have it. This primary season has really opened my eyes. The MOST important issue of all to me is civil rights, human rights. That is why I was turned off by Obama as soon as he started dissing older people and when he threw gays under the bus. And when he started with his sexist routines, I knew I could never vote for him. This man has achieved what the Republicans have not been able to do. He has divided our party on race, gender, and class lines and has opened racial wounds in our country that will take a very long time to heal. He is serving his corporate masters very well.

  27. I suppose this has proven I can’t be too cynical, but I was about to post here a few days ago, how long will it take for the MSM to start calling all West Virginia and Kentucky voters racist given that Obama will lose there by big margins? I thought they’d at least wait until after it happened. Hahah.

  28. Wow, Mawn, that is pretty bad.

    Would this co-worker have dared to make the same comment while showing you a picture of “Mexican” sleeping under his sombrero and poncho next to a cactus while holding a bottlle of tequila?

    Jeezee….

  29. Melanie,

    At the Cheetos place and Bowers’ pathetic blog they are crowing because Edwards voted for Obama. Thanks for posting that. If Edwards endorses Obama, I will ask for my money back. I contributed to him because I believed he supported universal health care, social security, and ending poverty. If he has given all that up to support Obama, Edwards is not the man I thought he was.

  30. They seem to be encouraging an “Us vs Them” mentality for their own benefit which is so very divisive and evil.

    Someone – and I don’t mean Hillary – is deliberately provoking racial animosity between whites and blacks.

    Why? Because that is what they ALWAYS do to keep the working class from demanding a living wage.

    And it always works.

    The past two administrations have been really harsh on the working class. I mean really harsh. Is everyone aware that the Bush admin had to redefine “hunger” to keep the statistics steady?

    But now both candidates are economic conservatives – so it’s okay if the Dems win the white house now.

  31. Such a sad day. Here’s something to brighten it up. A Mother’s Day wish from Chelsea to Hillary – send Hillary a note.

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/mothersday/?sc=1846&utm_source=1846&utm_medium=e

  32. jacilyn, you may be right…. and I thought I was cynical…. (oh, no Michelle would be so disappointed…)

  33. Thanks Gary for the poignant and sobering post. I’m hoping this attack on HRC backfires big time on Obama in KY and WV.

  34. I just came back from changing my party registration from democrat to unaffiliated. My husband and son changed theirs also. I am so sick of the Hillary bashing and race baiting being done by the Obama campaign that I could no longer stay in a party I had been part of for 47 years. If Hillary’s name is not on the ballot in November as the democratic party nominee I will still vote for her by writing in my vote. The only way I will vote differently is if it is a close race. Then I will vote for John McCain. I know others might think I should support the democratic nominee regardless but I have had enough. Chris Bowers, Donna Brazile, the Obama campaign have all said they don’t need my vote. Well they certainly won’t get it ever again. And by the way did you see Ben Smith’s article on Politico where Ted Kennedy said Hillary will not be Obama’s Vice President. He said Obama needs someone who fits in with him. Shows you how much respect Kennedy has for women. Well we should have known that. I’m from Pennsylvania and I remember Mary Jo Kopechne.

  35. Does anyone know how old Chris Bowers is? Could he still be in high school? Look at his latest post.

    Wow, We Nominated The Black Guy
    by: Chris Bowers
    Fri May 09, 2008 at 14:46

    Wow, it is really happening: Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. Only eighteen months after the Democratic Party elected Nancy Pelosi the first female Speaker of the House, we our now the first major party to nominate an African-American for President.

    Just let that sink in for a moment. It is pretty amazing.

    Then he goes on to talk about how the Democratic party is so diverse with all those single women, AA’s, Latinos, and Asians, and yes, working people (!) whom he presumably expects to vote for Obama. In the comments, one person says that Obama will probably have a female VP, either Clinton or Sibelius. LOL!

  36. BB: could he choose Donna for VP? She is sooooo diplomatic (plus she knows what constituencies matter within the party and how to win elections).

  37. Wow! These posts reveal how much anger there is out there. I never think of myself as white, but I am always reminded that I am a woman. I am reminded when I go to mass and realize that a woman priest is still not acceptable in the Catholic Church. I am reminded when I realize that most women are paid less than men in comparable jobs. I am reminded of it when I see women in foreign countries earning 15 cents an hour and put in an average 12-14 hour workday while still raising a family. I am reminded when today’s rappers dedicate songs to “whores and bitches” and are well paid for their efforts. I am reminded when we hold our breaths for decisions being made by the SC where our productive rights hang in the balance. I am reminded when I see women being used for sexual pleasure by old men in the name of religion. I am reminded when entertainers like Ellen and Rosie are demeaned for their sexuality. I am reminded when I hear broadcasters discussing a female candidate in terms of her laugh, her legs, her hairstyle, her clapping, her voice, her gender. I am reminded when other women hop onto that bandwagon and indulge in the same lame effort to defeat one of their own. I am reminded when a woman shows her softer side and allows herself to shed a few tears for her country and is blasted for being insincere. I am reminded of what constitutes “women’s work”. And then I remind myself that I am a woman and it is a wonderful thing to be for through me comes life, the ability to nurture and the hope that someday all those other “reminders” will just disappear. Happy Mother’s Ladies to all of you.

  38. bostonboomer, on May 9th, 2008 at 3:30 pm Said:

    Does anyone know how old Chris Bowers is? Could he still be in high school? Look at his latest post.

    IIRC he’s in his thirties. He has a PhD but was making less than 30 grand just a few years ago. For the longest time MyDD was his job. Now he and Matt Stoeller have that gig over at Open Left.

  39. Oh my gosh, we’re good enough to be VP????

    Well, that changes EVERYTHING, bb. Here I was thinking we were being told we were only good enough to provide lapdances and coffee with a smile to the REAL Dems. I forgot that we actually also have to be given a token position so we can do all the actual work while the boys run around on their extracirricular activities.

    All the misogyny was absolutely worth it–the creative class loves us after all.

    And nothing is more charming that their rock-ribbed conviction that everyone else is a complete moron.

  40. Only MSMers and MSM annointed experts are permitted to describe voting groups in any racial terms, except for calling white voters racist and any references to Hispanic (and I think I recall that not all in that group like that term — what is the best term to use?). Blacks voting for Obama may be called blacks, and that is good. White working class voters voting for Hillary can be called that only by the two groups above, otherwise it is racist of a candidate (if whites have voted for that candidate) to speak of them as in any way “white.”

    This is hard pundit law.

  41. Well, the haka could galvanize supporters in Kentucky, WV, and Oregon just like in New Hampshire or it could deflate turnout. As for Puerto Rico, it is really a wild card.

    In this article, a person said some supporters of the governor of PR (an Obama superd) will boycott.

    http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia/politica/noticias/populares_contra_populares/401965

    (I translated on babelfish)

    Will supporters of the governor listen to him? BTD at Talk Left sometime back said 75% (or most) of the voters will be pro-statehood people (makes sense since they want to be part of the US) – the governor is pro-colony. Also, wouldn’t the governor’s loyalists be most willing to listen to his Obama endorsement and isn’t it good that they might boycott?

    Rendell said Clinton will have “crushing victories” in the KY, WV, and PR but again, I don’t know how the haka will affect turnout.

    Here’s what Jay Cost at RCP says about Puerto Rico:

    “There are good reasons not to take Puerto Rico lightly, even though the press has continued to do exactly that. I would note: (a) Puerto Ricans vote in large numbers (2 million in the last gubernatorial election); (b) Puerto Ricans have never had this important a role in United States presidential politics; (c) Puerto Rico’s politics is focused at least partially on how (if at all) to adjust its relationship with the United States; (d) Puerto Rico’s is an open primary, and the residents of the Commonwealth, who are United States citizens, do not see themselves as Republicans or Democrats.”

    I think she should go over there and ask for their vote.

  42. BB: oh, oh, I read the comments at Open Left and they are already talking of impeaching Hillary

  43. gqmartinez, on May 9th, 2008 at 2:33 pm Said:

    They are going to make an appeal to Hillary supporters who feel slighted about the thuggery of Obama and his surrogates. They are going to point to Bowers and ask older people if that’s what they want in a president. They are going to ask working class Hispanics and Asian Americans if they liked being called racist. It’s all there already.

    You have read their strategy exactly. This is it. This is what is going to smack the Obamabots upside their heads.

  44. Guys, I have a tiny blog but I’m being attacked by Obamatrons on one specific thread and I sure could use some backup. It’s titled “Obama’s Bosnia Moment.”

    Help!

  45. Lisadawn82,

    Maybe I’m just getting old. I have to admit that Markos sounds pretty childish to me too. But he is actually announcing that Obama has been “nominated” by the Democratic Party. Did they hold the convention already and just not tell us non-creative types?

    And to think that these people believe that Clinton would be on the ticket with the less experienced candidate who painted her and her husband as racists? Or that the Party would nominate Sibelius–another inexperienced person to run with the candidate with absolutely no executive or foreign policy experience?

    These guys are going to have to be put in a decompression chamber when they come out of their fog. They’ll have to go into detox to deal with the withdrawal symptoms when they find out their hero Obama has been playing them.

  46. Upstate,

    Donna would be perfect for Obama’s VP! Now you’re cookin’ with grease!

  47. Thank you for this post Gary. Being from the country* (yes, Hawaii has country too!) I experienced a lot of shame and confusion over my “roots” as a kid going to a private school in the city. This race has reminded me how xenophobic folks can be.

    I had the pleasure of spending time in Appalachian Georgia a couple years ago (my boyfriend’s home) and it was some of the most beautiful country I’ve ever seen. The people were welcoming and warm and if they were all secretly racist, they never let my non-white self know.

  48. I feel like I’m missing something here. This is what I don’t get, there are “hard working” people of many different races (including white). There are white people ranging from lazy to poor to rich. Is linking the two together good? Or is it completely wrong to interpret her statement as attempt to connect the two groups (like was it just a list)? Is this all blown out of proportion because hard working is almost universally intended to be synonymous with lower income? BTW, I do not watch cable news, so I am not totally aware what exactly is going there (2nd hand only).

    Is this comment about WV, which does in fact have a relatively poor/white demographic or is about the nation as a whole? Does her electability argument improve or deteriorate if Obama is unable to attract hard working Americans, white Americans?

    Doesn’t the fact that BO supporters are in agreement that HRC is race-baiting while HRC supporters are in agreement that BO is race-baiting say a lot in and of itself? This is kind of a pseudo-philosophical point but is there even an objective reality? I kind of doubt it at this point.

  49. I just posted a suggestion on that thread that Donna Brazile should be VP. I have to rush out now, but I’ll see if they banned me when I get back.

  50. Yes, I have noticed in several blogs that it is already a “fact” that Obama is the nominee…

    oh well, it has been fun fellow Conflucians, must go check third parties

  51. @Upstate: If they’re threatening to impeach Clinton for the high crime of being the better candidate and daring to even imply that using such witchcraft as facts and evidence then what the hell are they going to do to McCain? Oh, that’s right: nothing.

    @Ryan: Yes, there is an objective reality. For a few examples go check out the video clip of Jesse Jackson, Jr. the day after NH and read about Obama’s SC memo or Sean Wilentz’s piece. Don’t fall for the false “They’re both doing it” trap.

  52. Ryan,

    I think the media is race baiting and the Obama campaign has surely used it to it’s benefit (and Clinton’s detriment). I think the media chose what it’s narrative was going to be and have run it. It makes for good TV. What it doesn’t make for is a winning Dem strategy in the Fall. Both Dem candidates are tarnished by this foolery, leaving the way for McCain to swoop down in the fall and unite us all. You can already see the narrative playing out in the media.

  53. Ryan,

    I don’t think their is anything wrong about talking about different demographics in politics. There is certainly nothing new about that. I don’t think that Hillary was implying that somehow only whites are hard working. She was merely pointing out what a reporter at the AP had evidently already reported on, that she is more appealing to that specific demographic which is crucial to winning a general election. I don’t think she implies that it is because of their race only that they support her. It may be other things about them that Obama has bad mouthed, like their religion or their habit of hunting. It is the Obama campaign that has injected race into the primary, starting in SC where they decided it was in their interest to race-bait african americans by claiming the Clintons were racist (I’ve never understood, btw, how being racist was supposed to be some sort of strategy for the Clintons, but anyway..). Now they continue with their race baiting strategy (with plenty of help from the MSM) by claiming everything that she says regarding race is racist. Meanwhile they feel free to disparage wide swaths of the population without any repercussion. I agree that this whole discussion is a loser for democrats, but I firmly believe the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Obama and his surrogates. And I don’t think that it will be so easy for him to just “brush off”….

  54. Want to see what awaits Obama in the Fall?

    GOP video at noquarter.

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/the-hell-with-pc-the-republicans-have-obama-nailed-with-this-new-ad/

  55. UpstateNY, has anyone posted a summary yet? I can’t watch YouTube here.

  56. Kbird: the premise of the ad is… “Can we ask Obama why (he missed so many votes, if three years is enough experience, he referred to people clinging to religion and guns, etc.). Of course, they show less than favorable pictures of him.

    After each question they have sound track from his rallies saying YES WE CAN.

    The last shot shows Obama saying YES WE CAN

    Not a fantastic ad, but not too shaby either.

  57. Motherloade at No More Apples has a great takedown on this in her post: WHEN PAT BUCHANAN IS A SANEST VOICE IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW THE REST HAVE JUMPED THE SHARK http://nomoreapples.blogspot.com/2008/05/when-pat-buchanan-is-sanest-voice-in.html

    Here’s the whole thing it’s so good.

    I’ve been in intense all-day meetings for most of this week and working on details of my daughter’s impending wedding at night. While I’ve tried to follow events and blogs on my Blackberry Internet browser during infrequent breaks, I realize I’m woefully behind on things. So this morning I was disgusted to tune in to Morning Joe (absent Hillary admirer Joe Scarborough) to find Mika B. and David Shuster desperately trying to get everyone to agree (they had no problem with Peggy Noonan) that Hillary and Bill have gone openly racist.

    (1) Gasp! Hillary in a conference call referred to Obama’s growing weakness with white, working-class voters.
    (2) How dare he! Bill told an audience of Hillary supporters that it is “you people” who are going to help her win this thing.

    Mika and David believe there is something “insidious” with “long-term consequences” about Hillary using the word “white.” They went over and over it with each guest, and it took conservative Pat Buchanan to point out that every pundit in every newscast for the past several weeks has speculated on the demographic results of the exit polls, which indicate that Obama has the AAs by upwards of 90% and has faltered in the past several primaries in reaching white, working-class voters. So what’s with calling Hillary racist for doing the same thing? Did she say that whites SHOULDN’T vote for Obama? Of course not, it’s ridiculous, and it’s the kind of thing the Obama campaign and the media have used to tar the Clintons (and later, by extension, their supporters) as racist ever since South Carolina.

    Then David Shuster had the “audacity” to say outright that clearly Bill Clinton meant “you white people” when he was speaking to his audience. Pat broke in and emphatically declared that that was grossly unfair to Bill Clinton. There were AAs, Latinos, Asians and others in that crowd besides whites, and in any case he obviously and on the face of it meant “you Hillary backers” of whatever identity.

    When Pat Buchanan is the only fair-minded pundit on the panel, it’s time to change the dial. Oops! It’s the same on all of them …

  58. From BB: These guys are going to have to be put in a decompression chamber when they come out of their fog.

    Why don’t just let them float away into the stratosphere.

    I just can’t believe that there was a time not so long ago that I actually thought these folks had something interesting to say.

  59. UpState, that’s Interesting, very Interesting. Is it an Internet ad or are they putting it on TV?

  60. lisadawn82: I just can’t believe that there was a time not so long ago that I actually thought these folks had something interesting to say.

    I’ve always LOL’d every time they hold a fundraising drive so that they could continue to deliver their reporting, esp when somebody local would blog said event for free.

    They can go get jobs as far as I’m concerned — even if that means they’d fall off of their lofty creative class perch.

  61. I sent for my voter re-registration yesterday morning. I will be changing from Democrat to Independent, or unaffiliated, whichever PA allows. I’m pretty sure it’ll be Independent.

    I won’t be able to vote it the primaries, since we have a closed primary, but should an interesting race come up, I’ll register for whatever party need be.

    I can still vote on ballot questions,

    I feel liberated, yet so sad the Democrats have abandoned, the working class, Latinos, older women, gays, and seniors.

  62. Hey BostonBoomer,

    Nice post over at TAlkLeft suggesting Donna Brazile for the VP slot. I’m not sure if the others got the joke. I like the response that said:

    “She’s a lesbian.
    Seriously.
    Not to mention, making any party hack VP is a terrible idea. Leo McGarry was a wonderful guy, but that was television. ”

    Here’s another gem re having the first black president. Too bad Barney isn’t available for Secretary of State.

    “Remember, until Nancy became Speaker, the visual at every State of the Union was three (more or less old) white guys. Until recently W., Cheney and Hastert.
    If Obama wins it’ll be an African American with a woman and maybe one white guy, maybe a Hispanic, maybe another woman behind him. Wow!”

    It boggles the mind. And we wonder why we don’t understand their infatuation with BO, there’s nothing to understand.

  63. Mimi-we can help – what is your blog? We will come to your aid! Obamabots must be countered!

    RSVP

  64. Dear Honorable Members:

    I am writing as a concerned citizen of the United States of America concerning the silence from the Congressional Black Caucus about recent comments calling the Clinton’s racist. It is my understanding that the Clinton’s have been long time friends of many of your members. You have formed partnerships with the Clinton’s to enact change to better America with a united mission and purpose.

    I find it quite disturbing that in the matter of a few months, these lifetime friends are now the most vile racist people we know. I can understand your silence if this is true, but for the life of me I cannot understand your silence if it is false.

    I have written Representative Lewis before expressing my concern of race relations. I indicated that for race relations to move forward in American there has to be trust between the two parties that each will be judged on “the content of their character” and not the color of their skin. Trust that when the chips are down, you will stand with me against the forces claiming false propaganda. Trust! I am a simple independent Southern voter who is less trusting today than I was before this election.

    In my lifetime, I have enjoyed many wonderful friendships and partnerships with people who were not “like” me. I taught at a HBCU for six years and realized up close the struggle that African Americans have had in this country. My experience teaching at a HBCU helped me to see what is like to be in the minority and those experiences have helped shape what I do to assist others in the work place. However, I am less trusting today after witnessing the utter backlash against two individuals that before this election were considered friends of the African American Community and the utter silence that followed. If this can happen to the Clinton’s, how long before it happens to me. Thus, in a pinch, will I be judge on my actions or will the color of my skin determine the support I receive. This seems antithetical to all the Martin Luther King worked to achieve.

    I understand this is a historical election for both African-Americans and women. My vote in this election went to the candidate I thought was most prepared to lead this country out of the difficult times we face. The candidate who I believe has a clear vision of what is needed to enact that change. In this election, my vote went to Senator Clinton and because of that day after day I am called a racist. I did not vote for Senator Clinton because she was a woman or she was white. I voted for her because I want Universal Health Care and a candidate with foreign policy experience. Yet, today, I’m called racist. The silence from the CBC decrying this sentiment is deafening and growing more ominous by day.

    I am writing to you to urge you to stop this from continuing. Allow voters to vote based on issues and not race. If you don’t, many people will be less trusting tomorrow and less likely to engage in partnerships with people not like them, thus, setting race relations back twenty years.

    The silence from the CBC is deafening and growing more ominous by day.

    Respectfully

  65. But Obama’s so good at bringing the country together!!

    Well, what’s he going to do with foreign policy if he can’t even speak to the whole country here?
    *******
    “Today’s Foreign News that Obama Probably Doesn’t Know a Thing About…”
    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/

    Who can forget that interview way back in 2000 when George W. Bush was asked who was heading Pakistan? Bush dismissively answered that it was some general and that it didn’t matter if he couldn’t recall the name, because he would be surrounded by advisers who knew all this stuff.

    Were you impressed then? I sure wasn’t and I’m not impressed with Obama’s “expertise” on foreign policy either. His policies speeches may come chapter and verse straight from the party platform and he can buddy all he wants with Jimmy Carter…but that sort of “foreign policy by association” doesn’t cut it with me, especially after seeing Bush and Cheney in action. Spending a few years in Indonesia as a kid, having a dubious relationship with Odinga in Africa, and never having the curiosity to explore Europe doesn’t count either.

    So, when I ask if Obama knows the name of the current Japanese prime minister it’s because I want to see his ATTITUDE when he answers. Is he going to act like Bush?

    I wake up to the BBC World Service news every morning via shortwave radio and in about 5 minutes I learn more than I could ever learn from the American media. Today was a BIG NEWS DAY on at least 3 fronts–Russia, Lebanon, and, yes, Japan. Having followed a lot of the related news while churning out the World Media Watch for Buzzflash for quite a few years, the stories I heard really woke me up, fast! Because the spectre of Obama (or McCain) reacting to some of the situations reported gave me a kick in the gut.

    MORE MORE MORE at my blog post…

  66. Cloudy03/Gary every time I think about it I just sigh. I guess the way Cloudy03 said it is pretty much the way I see. The media is just a drama stage really and yes, BO could have (and should have) tried harder to reign it in. I’ll be honest, Pres. Clinton is not a racist; I found his JJ/SC comment a little offensive. You know whatever; given his record he gets the benefit of the doubt (at least from me). I read somewhere else today this diatribe about how the Clintons were a bunch of racists. Like… seriously?

    I’m pretty sure that I agree with you about HRC’s comments. To be honest I’m not really sure if I’m objective. A close reading of the original post critiques the media much more so than BO yet there is still a gut level reaction that it is just “blaming BO.” Some of the following comments pretty strongly insinuate that this is somehow all BO’s fault. Maybe I give the media too much credit?

    I do see the narrative coming. Whatever is the most exciting or has the most conflict. It sure as hell is not going to be McCain’s disconnect with conservatives who think he is too liberal.

  67. I think what Hillary was saying is clear and honest. She has the GE coalition. She should be at the top of the ticket. Juan Williams just said this on Fox.

  68. Per this USA Today blog.

    “I said I voted for ‘em,’ ” Edwards said in an interview shortly afterwards with USA TODAY. “I’m a Southerner. … It wasn’t meant to be male or female.”

    All cleared up! Hope this isn’t redundant (haven’t read all comments yet).

  69. I’m really glad that the Pitt/Philly hockey match up starts today. I really need to work off some of this aggression that’s built up.

  70. Peggy Noonan, the woman who wrote an entire column in some kind of language all her own that she was obviously trying to represent as African American dialect, accused the Clintons of racism?

  71. Who are you for, lisadawn82?

  72. I’m for my hometown of Pittsburgh. But they are both great blue collar teams. It’ll be nice to have at one team from PA in the Stanley Cup Finals. Go PA.

  73. Elixir,

    It’s at Open Left. I can’t believe it. Nobody got that it was snark. They took me seriously. Someone even recommended my comment.

  74. This is unbelievable. I’m going to say something I thought I’d never say. I’m glad my father passed away three years ago and didn’t live to see what has happened to his beloved Democratic party. It would’ve broken his heart. How did this happen to us?

  75. Elixir,

    Check out this comment from the same thread:

    If he cuts deals on health care in order to make progress there, I am fine with that. I realize health care leads to the early and tragic death of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and it hits downscale more than upscale, and that sucks, but the energy problem has and will kill many many many more people here and overseas than health care will. Global energy (and warming) is a first order problem (how do you secure an orderly, flourishing society) and health care is a second order one (within that orderly society, how do you organize an important resource).

    These people not only don’t care if “hundreds of thousands of Americans” die for lack of health care, he also thinks that Obama is going to work for clean energy alternatives. Huh? Obama is backed by the nuclear and coal industries.

  76. It’s at Open Left. I can’t believe it. Nobody got that it was snark. They took me seriously. Someone even recommended my comment.

    Of course they would think Donna “I’m Neutral” Brazille would be a great veep candidate. Look at her long record of winning! And she fits in so well with the message of Unity and Hope. For example, I know many people who are united and filled with hope that her ridiculous self will be removed from our television sets so we never have to hear her or from her every again.

  77. These people not only don’t care if “hundreds of thousands of Americans” die for lack of health care, he also thinks that Obama is going to work for clean energy alternatives. Huh? Obama is backed by the nuclear and coal industries.

    BB, didn’t you know? Healthcare is so 90s [insert eye roll]. All the cool, hip, urbanites are supporting clean, green energy.

  78. bb, the blogger boiz actually use global warming all the time to shut people up, like what difference does it make whether you have reproductive or marriage rights if we’re all dead? vote Casey! it’s not about actually combatting global warming, they just think it’s an effective rhetorical device a la SCOTUS.

  79. I’m not voting on threats anymore. This Party is no longer fights for my values, and they threw the only twice elected Democratic president in most of our lifetimes under the bus. I just don’t relate anymore.

  80. I hear you Lucinda. I wish my dad had lived long enough to see the White Sox win the world series but this would have broken his heart. The same man who didn’t get his trash picked up for months in his south side Chicago bungalow because he had the audacity to put a Harold Washington sign in his window would now be called a working class Latino racist because he liked and supported the Clintons.

  81. I have a big problem with all the “Obama can’t win working-class whites” arguments, namely:

    They are extremely insulting to Hillary Clinton.

    Cannot the reason that all these working-class whites are voting for Hillary Clinton simply be that she is an amazing candidate? Why must we assume that Obama does not appeal to these voters; can it not be that Hillary Clinton just appeals to them more? Why must we assume that they are voting against Obama instead of for Clinton?

    To hear just about everyone tell it, Obama is so horrible that these voters all just ended up with Clinton by default. That is extremely insulting to Clinton, because it implies that any warm body on the ballot could have done as well. I don’t believe that for a second.

    Hillary Clinton has many strengths as a candidate and a broad-based appeal; I would rather not see that denigrated by people assuming that her showing among working-class white voters is all about Obama.

    Just my two cents.

  82. I know it’s off-topic, but everybody, go wish Hillary a happy mother’s day: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/mothersday/?sc=2453

    And cough up a few bucks if you have not already today (I just dropped $50… one less trip to Whole Foods this week… I’ll live!).

  83. Rainn,

    You know that, and we know that, but the “uncreative classless” blogger boyz and rich media “pundits” think that working people are “low information voters” who couldn’t possibly think for themselves and decide which candidate is more likely to stand up for them.

    Most of these media types and blogger boyz are so out of touch with reality that they actually think that they can elect Obama without women, old people, gays, Latinos, Asians, and on and on. Obama has thrown so many groups under the bus at this point, it’s really hard to believe. And yet these elitist fools keep on thinking he will be elected President.

    You know, JFK would not have been nominated or elected President without West Virginia, but Obama isn’t even going to campaign there, because he’s scared. He knows he can’t win. People are voting for Hillary because she’s a terrific candidate. And she has turned out to be the stronger, tougher candidate, while Obama looks more like Kerry, Mondale, and Dukakis every day. And the Republicans haven’t even started to savage him yet. He is so screwed. He is going to wish he had lost the nomination before they are through with him.

  84. Rainn, I made that point above.

  85. Here’s an article that alludes to Rainn’s post

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_el_pr/hillary_democrats;_ylt=AibMjS3mFpz0k_4MrFbeIZ6yFz4D

    “Republican pollster Whit Ayres said that based on focus groups he has conducted in swing states, including Missouri, Michigan and Florida, Clinton’s claim that she would do better than Obama with blue-collar white voters is believable.

    He said those voters support her because of the prosperous economic times they experienced when her husband was president. He also said they are uncomfortable with Obama because of his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who created a furor with his divisive comments, and questions about Obama’s patriotism.

    “It’s cultural,” Ayres said.”

    Guess what the Republicans will highlight? There’s other killer wedge issues for Obama like his shifting positions on guns and his support for driver’s licenses for undocumented people not to mention Ayres/Rezko. I wouldn’t be surprised if they run a “with friends like these” ads.

  86. Haleprin is saying Hill is going home to NY tomorrow and BC only has one appearance in Montana. That doesn’t sound good, does it?

  87. Melanie, don’t panic. Remember after NC/IN, she cancelled all her morning TV appearances and everybody freaked out (those who support her, that is). It may just be she’s taking the day off to rest a bit. She deserves it… and Sunday is Mother’s day.

  88. “Bill Clinton: West Virginia Vote Can Make ‘Earth Move?’”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/bill-clinton-we.html

  89. By the way, riverdaughter, I watched the video. The footage is from Genera Hospital. I love Loretta Lynn. I used to play that song all the time….you don’t get no city when you look at me cause country’s all I am. I love running barefooted through them old corn fields and I love that country ham-a-a-am. As a city girl, don’t know why that resonated so much with me; it just did.

  90. You are right, French. I’m not going to worry about it.

  91. Again, the goal is for WV, KY, and Puerto Rico to cut his popular vote lead down to the point that Florida and Michigan matter. Also, they should really do revotes for MI/FL (especially Michigan). McCain will make a play for these states saying that he won’t let them be disenfranchised and that he’s asking for their votes. Doesn’t the DNC know these states will go Republican if they don’t give MI/FL a meaningful say in the nomination process?

  92. To be honest I am a lot more worried about fractures within the democratic party. Comparing him to Dukakis or Kerry does not really convince me that he will lose. If the economy had been as bad as it is now in either ‘88 or ‘04 the typical Republican attacks would not have worked. For example, in ‘ 04 in Ohio the top two issues for voters were morals and Iraq (in that order). Bill Clinton’s whole “its the economy stupid!’ line really applies.

  93. @Ryan: How is he going to win on the economy when he has trashed the Clinton legacy? How will he win when he is incapable of speaking policy and chooses a personality-based campaign over substance?

  94. Ryan, usually sour grapes goes away. However, if Obama does become the nominee, Clinton supporters will feel like he cheated by disenfranchising Florida and Michigan. I think revotes in those states (or revote Michigan and keep Florida) will go a long way to healing the party. And yes, I do see McGovern, Dukakis, and Kerry like similarities to Obama in that he can’t appeal to working class people.

  95. Bob Somerby at DailyHowler.com is great today. As usual. Looks at how it’s racist for a Dem pol to mention race (in certain ways only) and not for MCMers and analysts to do so.

    Why don’t we have the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) we deserve? Somerby takes a stab at why, and it’s partially bcz there is no criticism from the left.

    Conservative voices can earn a living within the conservative press corps. But >b>liberal voices earn their Jaguars within the mainstream press. Thus, liberals defer to the mainstream press—and conservatives are much more free to attack it. Over the past sixteen years, this has drastically tipped the scales against progressive and Dem Party interests.

    Based on those assumptions, here’s the basic shape of your ongoing discourse:

    Over the course of the past sixteen years, the mainstream press corps has increasingly become more Republican, more conservative, more wealthy, more corporate. On the presidential level, they have made secular saints out of several Republicans—and they have savaged Big Dems. How much of that reflects a structural change? How much of that has simply reflected a personal, crackpot war against Clinton/Gore? We’ll get a chance to ponder that question if Obama gets to the White House. But as these processes have played out, your liberal leaders have relentlessly kept their traps shut. The U. S. Army is in Iraq today because they deferred to the mainstream consensus—in 1999. When Ceci Connolly and the Post were blatantly savaging Gore.

    Did young liberal superstars keep their traps shut, hoping for mainstream wealth and glory? We don’t have the slightest idea. By the way: Did you hear that progressive feminist Rachel Maddow thinks Chris Matthews is just super-brilliant?

    That part about Rachel Maddow has been so disappointing to me.

  96. Like Anglachel said,

    “However, the fact that the inclusion of these two states changes the math completely and that the votes are being blocked by Obama and that the press is brutalizing Hillary and making shit up and that we need both those states in our column come November and, well, yeah, we’re getting pissed.”

  97. How is he going to win on the economy when he has no experience and stammers and stutters when asked basic policy questions? McCain looks like he’s been dealing with the economy snce the dawn of time. Eliminating Social Security and sticking it to people who can’t afford gas to teach them a moral lesson about overconsumption while he hands out payouts to oil companies probably aren’t going to help, either.

  98. Adding to Gavche’s point, McCain will attack Obama’s healthcare mandates for children. How is he going to defend that when he’s been attacking mandates the entire primary? McCain can easily attack Obama by saying “he’ll force you to buy insurance (for your kids) even if you can’t afford it – want $2500 tax credits instead?”

  99. I saw Loretta Lynn perform a couple of years ago. it was an outdoor concert in June here in Birmingham, it must have been 100 degrees. she was wearing what looked like a wedding gown and had lots of fans (the cooling kind) on the stage. she was really neat, very outspoken and funny, and her singing was great! I had, of course, known about her all my life but had never really listened to her. I was impressed.

  100. WS,

    I see a resemblance between Obama and Dukakis too. But Dukakis had more charisma. And Dukakis probably wouldn’t have tried to privatize social security. I don’t think Obama will carry 10 states. I hate to compare him to McGovern, because I liked McGovern, but that really is the parallel. Just like with McGovern, Obama and his younger supporters have turned off so many voters that he will lose in a landslide.

  101. And like davidson said, obama won’t be able to counter any of mccain’s points even if he wanted to. not only is countering republican points partisan and therefore bad, but he’s trashed the clinton administration up, down, and 14 ways from sideways. if he tries to take on mccain, all mccain has to say is you sound like you’re proposing clinton era strategies, you’ve said yourself that clinton’s policies were a disaster and are responsible for our current economic problems. he’s disavowed democratic policy and is going to have a hell of a time coopting republican policy, especially since his grasp on policy is weak at best.

  102. BB, I really hope it doesn’t come to that and Clinton catches up in the popular vote.

    Here’s a funny story:

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/201858/4926

    “It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.”

  103. WS, that was kind of what I was saying. I am more scared of the sour grapes (by a lot) than I am of the “swift boating.” Take this for what you will but when the “working class” (say Reagan democrats) are comfortable they will listen to personal attacks and they will become large issues. I guess part of my point was that the Republican attack machine is part of what prevents people like Mondale/Kerry/Dukakis from appealing to the working class. The “so, Mr. Kerry, exactly how much do you hate our troops?” type questions will be impotent.

    Davidson, it’s a fair point. The first part, well I consider myself moderately informed and I never heard of him trashing the Clinton legacy. The other part of your question, well, he will need to shift into delivering realistic economic appeals.

    I am not trying to say that BO will inevitably shift into economic policy mode or that Republicans cannot learn to attack him on economic policies. It is just not going to matter much if only 70% of democrats vote for him because the other 30% are livid.

  104. Ryan, you should keep worrying then.

  105. Ryan said:

    “Davidson, it’s a fair point. The first part, well I consider myself moderately informed and I never heard of him trashing the Clinton legacy. ”

    Then you are not well informed or you are lying. Obama has been trashing the Clinton legacy from the beginning. GIve me a break.

    You have enough information about other things to make me believe you are pretending not to know how Obama has been running his campaign. Clintons are the “old politics” remember?

  106. Mawm, idk, may it is selective memory (on my part). First, I do not have cable TV (so I do not really watch those pundits much). I was not lying.

    I went to youtube and searched “Barack Obama Bill Clinton legacy”

    I got “Obama prefers Ronald Reagan over Bill Clinton”. Here Bo is playing presidential historian. The title is misleading.

    Second one I got was Obama Smackdown Series: Bill Clinton attacks Obama. This is obviously made by a BO fan and BO does criticize Sen. Clinton… on her senate term.

    Third one is at this point rather quaint; it is back from when everybody was holding hands and playing nice. Obama asked if Bill Clinton was the first black president.

    Here BO attacks Pres. Clinton’s role in the current primary season.

    I went to google and searched “Clinton legacy Obama attack” and browsed the first couple pages of results. All I got was BO attacks this or that, or things about the Clinton legacy. I’m not saying it has not happened; all I am saying is that, well, I can’t find it. I am definately not disputing that BO has “attacked” either Pres. or Sen. Clinton; I just don’t think a critique of either constitutes an attack on the Clinton legacy.

    WS, I am.

  107. The stereotype of people in Appalachia as racists is useful to the Obama campaign. Otherwise he’d have to talk about poverty and economics. And when’s he ever been shy about doing what’s “useful” to win, no matter how many hard working people get screwed over in the process?

  108. ONce again BO uses his favorite “politics of division” to set the tone. When convenient, usually before a primary (WV), call them racist.

  109. #
    gqmartinez, on May 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm Said:

    African Americans have made a deal with the Chris Bowers of the country, them PBR drinkin’ Whole Foods shoppers. African Americans need to take a long hard look at some of their “allies”. While their “creative class” “friends” are driving their fancy 60+ mpg hybrids without even tossing them a $30 bone, what are they going to do when gas hits $5/gallon?

    African Americans are going to have to ask themselves who they feel has their best interest at heart: the Chris Bowers wing of the Party or us Hillary supporting folk who care about rewarding work. It’s clear which wing Obama and Donna Brazile represent and is that the one they really want?

    ———————

    It’s so fine of Mr. Gilbert to lecture the black voters of this country. & as for his pandering $30 – b.s., his poor, working class folks will need to drive several thousand miles to reap that benefit. I believe it works out to less than a dollar a week. It’s just the amount I received from Reagan’s big tax cut back in the ’80s. But, then again, since anyone who actually gives a fuck about the environment should do nothing so they will not be ridiculed by the likes of Mr. Gilbert, academician. But one who pulled himself up by his own bootstraps, I’ll bet.

  110. Hi Gary! Love this post. My family is from Greer, SC and the ‘hills’ – you know, they come down out of ‘em for family reunions. Not kidding here! (there are parts of the family from GA too.)

    I’m the first generation to live outside SC & GA – so I know the stories even though I didn’t grow up there. Oh, and the lighning bugs and red clay! I’ve spent more than a few summers in the area.

    I think it is hard for people to comprehend the poverty in the region.

  111. the burning question here is about the video at the top of the post..
    those are characters from the ABC soap general hospital in varying stage of learning about and leading up to the dramatic finales of pregnancy story line.
    Carly, Liz, Alexis, Courtney..and the ‘we never know who the father is’ characters, Sonny, Jason, Jax…

    Now are you guys REALLY white trash or not? – - :>)
    i’m a-wonderin’

  112. The environment is hurt more when oil companies are taxed than when consumers who need to drive to work and can’t afford to are taxed for the exact same amount? Wow, nobody told me. Perhaps it has to do with corporate personhood and evil people non personhood.

    i drive 5 hours a day to go between my two jobs, that’s about 3 thousand miles over two weeks. think i’m the only one? i doubt I’m as unique as all that. oh and I cleared about $13,000 last year. I worry about the cost of gas every second of every day and keep saying i’ll stop driving if it hits a ceratin level–but i continue because i kind of have to eat and live. But thanks for letting me know that it’s ridiculous to want an extra $30 as a godsend when Bill Ayres’ daddy’s company needs it more. i feel so much stronger and non pandered to and promise to stop deliberately killing the environment by driving around aimlessly with an evil heart thinking die tree die.

  113. The Obama surrogates has made race as an issue in this primary (with the blessings of the Obama campaign?) and race bait, too ,maybe as a counterpoint to whatever future controversies and scandals that Obama might have in the future. He has made race and race baiting the central portion of his campaign. It is with a certainty that Obama surrogates(with the blessings of the Obama campaign?) will answer every controversy and scandal with statements pertaining to race.

    Remember the time when the Somali tribal dress that Barack wore in 2006 and was leaked thru the Drudge Report? David Plouffe immidiately accused the Clinton team of ’shameful offensive fear-mongering’. Then there is the op-ed of Orlando Patterson in the NY times which tried to put race in the 3am ad of Sen. Clinton.To qoute the 1st paragraph of the op-ed:

    “On first watching Hillary Clinton’s recent “It’s 3 a.m.” advertisement, I was left with an uneasy feeling that something was not quite right — something that went beyond my disappointment that she had decided to go negative. Repeated watching of the ad on YouTube increased my unease. I realized that I had only too often in my study of America’s racial history seen images much like these, and the sentiments to which they allude.” And that is only the 1st paragraph.

    Then there is the latest “brushing the dirt off the shoulder” incident which the Obama surrogates(?) has linked to the Jay Z song, “Dirt Off Your Shoulder”, a racially charged song (see this web link and judge for yourself.)http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/dirtoffyourshoulder.html
    And now this:

    May 9, 2008 — WASHINGTON – First it was Bill Clinton dismissing Barack Obama as just another black candidate winning South Carolina.

    Now comes Hillary Rodham Clinton, splashing moonshine onto those smoldering embers by telling West Virginia voters that “hardworking Americans, white Americans” support her, not Obama.

    So “hardworking Americans” who support Hillary are racists, then? If that is Obamas’ position, then my vote will be Hillarys’ and will write that name in the ballot. Otherwise, other voters will have to decide but not me.

    This can be construed as race baiting tactics of the Obama team and surrogates. It only needs a spark.

    Please forward to your friends because it is imperative that the American people know who the real Barack Obama is and the way it is seen by me is he wants the race card to be front and foremost always. This could be his strategy up to the GE ( in case he wins the primary) and, heaven forbid, up to the presidency ( in case he wins it.)

    In order for me to change this perspective on Obama, he must prove to me by his actions that this perspective is wrong. Otherwise, it will just strenghten it.

  114. & Sen. Clinton MUST prove to me that she’s done with war, done with disappearing poor folk, done with racist language, done with…, done with…., done with. There is no way Sen. Obama will ever meet your high standards, nor should he need to do that. I just hope that you don’t run into a health care provider who demands that your injury or disease prove itself to him that you’re worthy of care. This is just so much crap.

  115. coldH20wi,

    he only has to prove to me that he is not using race as a platform in his campaign. As of now, he has not proven it wrong. Read my article again for proof.

  116. Our high standards of don’t suppress votes, etc. yes, it’s shocking that anyone should be able to meet the most basic principles of democracy. Shocking. He shouldn’t have to prove anything to mere voters, so many of whom are so deficient in so many ways, but especially that.

    Health care is a right, a basic human right (well, Obama doesn’t think so but it is). Know what else is a basic human right? The right to vote. Nobody owes Obama his or her vote. If he wants it, he has to earn it. It’s sick, it’s revolting, someday we’ll change to a system where anyone who doesn’t recognize Obama’s divine right to rule will face summary execution, but we’re not there yet.

    There’s not really even the vaguest analogy between having to prove you’re worthy of care and having to prove you’re worthy of someone’s vote. To review, health care, right, right to rule, not a right. Keep on making Bush-esque arguments, and Obama’s already tiny pool of support will continue to shrink and shrink. This is beyond bizarre. And I’d suggest he have Nixon’s concession speech at the ready for the general so he can mimic Nixon’s railing against the voters who had the audacity not to annoint him.

  117. Making one comment before I read the thread– I’m certainly still supporting Hillary, and I don’t think there was any ill intent behind this comment, but . . .

    it made me wince when I heard it and go “what the hell was she thinking?” A couple of days of thinking about it, and I still don’t have a clue. Assuming the best of intentions, it was obvious how the media would play this, and regardless of context she should not have let these words slip out of her mouth in this order, especially in this campaign.

    Even assuming that they expected this and thought it would turn out to their advantage in Ky/WV, they had to realize it would hurt in Oregon and overall party commitment, plus something about it just bothers me, even aside from ignoring other groups shafted by the Obama camp, such as hispanics, asians and LGBT.

    Granted, even if you take it as deliberate race-baiting, it is but one drop compared to the bucket full from Obama’s camp, but still, stupid stupid stupid. The media will forgive him a hundred times for a mistake that Hillary will get crucified for committing once, and the despicable “Clintons are racists” meme has been floating around out there so long without a shred of evidence that the absolutely worst thing to do is give the Hillary-haters a shred to hang it on . . .

    I believe it was just an accidental stumble and he is by far the greater offender on the race issue in this campaign even if you look at it without giving her any benefit of the doubt, but with things as they are now . . . not good.

  118. Okay, having read everything here and a few things elsewhere, I’m very glad it didn’t sound as bad to most others as it did to me; nonetheless seeing it by itself on the page, I fear it is a gaffe that will be used against her.

    That said, you are all correct that Obama’s framing of things throughout the primary is incredibly short-sighted and sure to hurt him in the general in a multitude of ways, and he has been the one leading with race-baiting throughout the winter and spring.

    Maybe this is the only way he can cover up how in almost every way they substantially differ, he is clearly the more corporatist and conservative of the two? Worse on health care, energy, the environment, women’s reproductive freedom, LGBT rights, iffy on social security,could only put himself in a position to win by essentially promoting illegal lying and bullying at the caucuses and disenfranchising two key swing states, slimed the only twice-winning democratic presidential candidate of the last 50 years, has surrogates who don’t care about any minority but their own ranting on national television on a regular basis . . .

    Gotta love him . . .

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