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		<title>By: Aeryl</title>
		<link>http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/ok-lets-nip-this-meme-in-the-bud-right-now/#comment-7381</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really getting sick of all of my white friends being called racist, b/c Wright scared them off of Obama, whom they were considering.  Most white people don&#039;t hold anything against blacks.  They understand our system has screwed blacks.  They understand our system is screwing whites.  Most would be perfectly open to vote for a black candidate.  They don&#039;t believe that a black man is inherently inferior and incapable of being president.  

They are afraid of Wright.  

The one thing white people are afraid of is revenge.  They know their ancestors stuck the shaft to black people.  And deep down, they are worried that a black president would set up the system of racism in reverse, to stick the shaft to whites.  And Wright confirmed that worst fear.   I don&#039;t care about Wright.  I get the heated political rhetoric in black churches, that black churches serve as a focal point for the community, to organize and act, to come together to make sure the kids get decent shoes for school, and the supplies they need.  Most people don&#039;t.  Church is where they go to get lectured.   They don&#039;t get the dynamic, and they are afraid of it.  Yeah, white churches raise money for school supplies, but it is rarely for the kids in their churches.  

I don&#039;t care about Wright saying G-d America.  Most whites have said that a time or two themselves(just never in front of a crowd).  

White people today are still afraid of a serious conversation on race,  to be forced to face their own biases.  But they do understand that in our tilted playing field, where all the power is in the hands of a privileged few, oppressed black people are their natural allies in standing up to power.  But they don&#039;t feel that someone like Wright, wants to view white people as allies, only enemies.  

And that&#039;s why they won&#039;t vote for Obama.    

And an important thing to remember(if only Obama&#039;s crowd had realized it) is that people are not born racist.  We are educated to be racist(to keep the proles fighting each other, a very useful tactic for those in power).  And calling the people who don&#039;t support you, racist, really only solidifies that racist education, and makes it harder to dismantle in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really getting sick of all of my white friends being called racist, b/c Wright scared them off of Obama, whom they were considering.  Most white people don&#8217;t hold anything against blacks.  They understand our system has screwed blacks.  They understand our system is screwing whites.  Most would be perfectly open to vote for a black candidate.  They don&#8217;t believe that a black man is inherently inferior and incapable of being president.  </p>
<p>They are afraid of Wright.  </p>
<p>The one thing white people are afraid of is revenge.  They know their ancestors stuck the shaft to black people.  And deep down, they are worried that a black president would set up the system of racism in reverse, to stick the shaft to whites.  And Wright confirmed that worst fear.   I don&#8217;t care about Wright.  I get the heated political rhetoric in black churches, that black churches serve as a focal point for the community, to organize and act, to come together to make sure the kids get decent shoes for school, and the supplies they need.  Most people don&#8217;t.  Church is where they go to get lectured.   They don&#8217;t get the dynamic, and they are afraid of it.  Yeah, white churches raise money for school supplies, but it is rarely for the kids in their churches.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about Wright saying G-d America.  Most whites have said that a time or two themselves(just never in front of a crowd).  </p>
<p>White people today are still afraid of a serious conversation on race,  to be forced to face their own biases.  But they do understand that in our tilted playing field, where all the power is in the hands of a privileged few, oppressed black people are their natural allies in standing up to power.  But they don&#8217;t feel that someone like Wright, wants to view white people as allies, only enemies.  </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why they won&#8217;t vote for Obama.    </p>
<p>And an important thing to remember(if only Obama&#8217;s crowd had realized it) is that people are not born racist.  We are educated to be racist(to keep the proles fighting each other, a very useful tactic for those in power).  And calling the people who don&#8217;t support you, racist, really only solidifies that racist education, and makes it harder to dismantle in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: sadbuttrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadbuttrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, I’ll take up your challenge sadbuttrue. 

Clinton wins ME, MA, CT, RI, VT, PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, WV, OH, MI, IL, MN, AR, NM, CA, OR, WA, and HI for a total of 274 EVs
&gt;&gt;&gt;

that&#039;s going to be hard to pull off as a write in candidate I think.

But if she gets the nomination I will indeed be voting for her.  If not, I&#039;m not.  My point was that if she had not ceded states she could carry like ME, CO, WA, MN and HI in the caucus process she&#039;d have a chance to prove you right.  

She did cede them and will not get the nomination becasue of it.

But I&#039;ll offer Hillary-to- the- end faithful a slogan from Jesse Jackson...

...keep hope alive.

I like all you folks over here and wish you luck (especially with FL and MI votes).  HIllary really could have used your fervor in caucus states when it mattered.  Surely you could have helped her round up a measly 4 or 6 thousand non shift workers.

I guess I am just quite willing to get behind the actual DEM nominee and we disagree on who it is now going to be.

DEM &#039;08</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, I’ll take up your challenge sadbuttrue. </p>
<p>Clinton wins ME, MA, CT, RI, VT, PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, WV, OH, MI, IL, MN, AR, NM, CA, OR, WA, and HI for a total of 274 EVs<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s going to be hard to pull off as a write in candidate I think.</p>
<p>But if she gets the nomination I will indeed be voting for her.  If not, I&#8217;m not.  My point was that if she had not ceded states she could carry like ME, CO, WA, MN and HI in the caucus process she&#8217;d have a chance to prove you right.  </p>
<p>She did cede them and will not get the nomination becasue of it.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll offer Hillary-to- the- end faithful a slogan from Jesse Jackson&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;keep hope alive.</p>
<p>I like all you folks over here and wish you luck (especially with FL and MI votes).  HIllary really could have used your fervor in caucus states when it mattered.  Surely you could have helped her round up a measly 4 or 6 thousand non shift workers.</p>
<p>I guess I am just quite willing to get behind the actual DEM nominee and we disagree on who it is now going to be.</p>
<p>DEM &#8216;08</p>
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		<title>By: bostonboomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>bostonboomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everybody, I just put up a new post, so we can have a fresh thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everybody, I just put up a new post, so we can have a fresh thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Trefoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Trefoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think of it, the more I&#039;m infuriated about Obama&#039;s volunteering to kneel in front of a voter in order to get her to swap her Hillary pin for an Obama one.

Silly. smarmy and more. He reminds me of the bad old days in the 1970&#039;s when a worked for a Fortune 500 company. I was one of three women in the salesforce. The Boyz, when they weren&#039;t harassing us and engaging n haka, demonstrated absolute cluelessness in dealng with female customers.

One of the salesmen pissed off a department director (a woman!) at a key account. She decided to cancel her contract . The salesman sent her an FTD flower arrangement to patch thngs up.

He lost the account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think of it, the more I&#8217;m infuriated about Obama&#8217;s volunteering to kneel in front of a voter in order to get her to swap her Hillary pin for an Obama one.</p>
<p>Silly. smarmy and more. He reminds me of the bad old days in the 1970&#8217;s when a worked for a Fortune 500 company. I was one of three women in the salesforce. The Boyz, when they weren&#8217;t harassing us and engaging n haka, demonstrated absolute cluelessness in dealng with female customers.</p>
<p>One of the salesmen pissed off a department director (a woman!) at a key account. She decided to cancel her contract . The salesman sent her an FTD flower arrangement to patch thngs up.</p>
<p>He lost the account.</p>
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		<title>By: litigatormom</title>
		<link>http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/ok-lets-nip-this-meme-in-the-bud-right-now/#comment-7344</link>
		<dc:creator>litigatormom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WS, I agree that Clinton would do better with Hispanics against McCain than Obama would.  I just meant to say McCain would still lose to Obama, albeit by smaller margins. McCain&#039;s appeal to Hispanics is limited against any Democrat -- even if it&#039;s a lot better than Tom Tancredo&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WS, I agree that Clinton would do better with Hispanics against McCain than Obama would.  I just meant to say McCain would still lose to Obama, albeit by smaller margins. McCain&#8217;s appeal to Hispanics is limited against any Democrat &#8212; even if it&#8217;s a lot better than Tom Tancredo&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: WS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll defer to your analysis litigatormom, but I think Hillary would be more of a sure thing because she is a proven vote getter among Hispanics.  There would still be a worry about Hispanics if Obama is the nominee, and we need Bill Clinton Hispanic numbers not Gore/Kerry Hispanic numbers (all these candidates won Hispanics but Bill Clinton did a lot better).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll defer to your analysis litigatormom, but I think Hillary would be more of a sure thing because she is a proven vote getter among Hispanics.  There would still be a worry about Hispanics if Obama is the nominee, and we need Bill Clinton Hispanic numbers not Gore/Kerry Hispanic numbers (all these candidates won Hispanics but Bill Clinton did a lot better).</p>
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		<title>By: WS</title>
		<link>http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/ok-lets-nip-this-meme-in-the-bud-right-now/#comment-7342</link>
		<dc:creator>WS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, I&#039;ll take up your challenge sadbuttrue.  

Clinton wins ME, MA, CT, RI, VT, PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, WV, OH, MI, IL, MN, AR, NM, CA, OR, WA, and HI for a total of 274 EVs.  Thats not even all the states I can honestly say she could win like Florida, Nevada, and Iowa/Missouri (maybe).  Among the Kerry states not on my list are Wisconsin and New Hampshire which I think she could both win (NH to a lesser extent since they seem to love McCain there).

Electoral College calculator here: 

http://opinionjournal.com/ecc/calculator.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;ll take up your challenge sadbuttrue.  </p>
<p>Clinton wins ME, MA, CT, RI, VT, PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, WV, OH, MI, IL, MN, AR, NM, CA, OR, WA, and HI for a total of 274 EVs.  Thats not even all the states I can honestly say she could win like Florida, Nevada, and Iowa/Missouri (maybe).  Among the Kerry states not on my list are Wisconsin and New Hampshire which I think she could both win (NH to a lesser extent since they seem to love McCain there).</p>
<p>Electoral College calculator here: </p>
<p><a href="http://opinionjournal.com/ecc/calculator.htm" rel="nofollow">http://opinionjournal.com/ecc/calculator.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: litigatormom</title>
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		<dc:creator>litigatormom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WS,

I&#039;m for Hillary too, but I don&#039;t think that McCain would pull even with Obama with Hispanics.  McCain does better with Hispanics than other Republicans, but I think he still loses Hispanics  to Obama.  McCain has been doing a fair amount of backpedaling from his original immigration reform position, and now says we have to seal the borders before we reform, which is putting the cart before the horse, to put it mildly. I think most Hispanics who have immigration policy as their lead issue understand what he&#039;s doing.  And Hispanics also care about other issues -- healthcare, most importantly -- on which McCain sucks dead moose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WS,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m for Hillary too, but I don&#8217;t think that McCain would pull even with Obama with Hispanics.  McCain does better with Hispanics than other Republicans, but I think he still loses Hispanics  to Obama.  McCain has been doing a fair amount of backpedaling from his original immigration reform position, and now says we have to seal the borders before we reform, which is putting the cart before the horse, to put it mildly. I think most Hispanics who have immigration policy as their lead issue understand what he&#8217;s doing.  And Hispanics also care about other issues &#8212; healthcare, most importantly &#8212; on which McCain sucks dead moose.</p>
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		<title>By: WS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, hlr.  I remember before the 2004 race, I kept telling myself that Kerry just needed to hold the Gore states plus Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire/Nevada, etc.  Kerry lost New Mexico and Iowa but gained New Hampshire.  Every election is different, and you shouldn&#039;t assume anything.  

Hillary, though, shows strength in places like Arkansas and perhaps West Virginia/Kentucky in the general, something that Obama cannot replicate.  Plus, there&#039;s the MI and FL debacle that Obama would face in the general.     

McCain also has some pull with Hispanics because of his high profile support of immigration reform.  I think Obama and McCain would have even footing when it comes to wooing Hispanics, but Hillary would have the leg up with that constituency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, hlr.  I remember before the 2004 race, I kept telling myself that Kerry just needed to hold the Gore states plus Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire/Nevada, etc.  Kerry lost New Mexico and Iowa but gained New Hampshire.  Every election is different, and you shouldn&#8217;t assume anything.  </p>
<p>Hillary, though, shows strength in places like Arkansas and perhaps West Virginia/Kentucky in the general, something that Obama cannot replicate.  Plus, there&#8217;s the MI and FL debacle that Obama would face in the general.     </p>
<p>McCain also has some pull with Hispanics because of his high profile support of immigration reform.  I think Obama and McCain would have even footing when it comes to wooing Hispanics, but Hillary would have the leg up with that constituency.</p>
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		<title>By: litigatormom</title>
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		<dc:creator>litigatormom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are any of you watching Softballs?  Yeah, I know, I was channel surfing and noticed that Obama was on.  Tweety just asked him if he thought the Clinton campaign was using &quot;dog whistle politics&quot; -- which he defined as &quot;saying stuff that people understand but you can&#039;t get caught&quot; -- in &quot;constantly bringing up your former pastor.&quot;

Obama, to his credit, said that he didn&#039;t think so, that he thought what Wright had was offensive.  Okay, I thought.  But then, after Tweety asked him why he hadn&#039;t left the church, Obama said that people had been playing an endless loop of the most offensive things that Wright had said over thirty years, and that he&#039;d never heard Wright say the thing on those tapes.  Can you hear the gears screech from the backpedaling?

BTW, &lt;b&gt;hir&lt;/b&gt;, you I agree with you, Obama isn&#039;t doomed, but he gives the Rethugs a head start that they don&#039;t deserve and shouldn&#039;t have.  I&#039;m not sure Obama keeps the Kerry states.  I sure hope he would.  But he gives up FLA, and he puts MI in jeopardy.  I think Obama would keep NJ.  But I don&#039;t think he&#039;d run as strong as Clinton would, and that puts House seats in jeopardy.  PA goes into play.  Ohio becomes a longer shot.  

Why would you want to start a race with so many handicaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are any of you watching Softballs?  Yeah, I know, I was channel surfing and noticed that Obama was on.  Tweety just asked him if he thought the Clinton campaign was using &#8220;dog whistle politics&#8221; &#8212; which he defined as &#8220;saying stuff that people understand but you can&#8217;t get caught&#8221; &#8212; in &#8220;constantly bringing up your former pastor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama, to his credit, said that he didn&#8217;t think so, that he thought what Wright had was offensive.  Okay, I thought.  But then, after Tweety asked him why he hadn&#8217;t left the church, Obama said that people had been playing an endless loop of the most offensive things that Wright had said over thirty years, and that he&#8217;d never heard Wright say the thing on those tapes.  Can you hear the gears screech from the backpedaling?</p>
<p>BTW, <b>hir</b>, you I agree with you, Obama isn&#8217;t doomed, but he gives the Rethugs a head start that they don&#8217;t deserve and shouldn&#8217;t have.  I&#8217;m not sure Obama keeps the Kerry states.  I sure hope he would.  But he gives up FLA, and he puts MI in jeopardy.  I think Obama would keep NJ.  But I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d run as strong as Clinton would, and that puts House seats in jeopardy.  PA goes into play.  Ohio becomes a longer shot.  </p>
<p>Why would you want to start a race with so many handicaps?</p>
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