Markos was being dense again today. He wrote a ridiculous FrontPage diary about The Clinton Civil war that included this little gem:
Clinton knows this, it’s her only path to victory, and she doesn’t care. She is willing — nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power.
She’s mad I tell you, MAD! See her wild eyed gaze and word salad gibberish as she slobbers on herself and eats beetles in her cell. She’s like Simon Barsinister without the PhD, a megalomaniacal slave to her urges for unlimited omnipotence. Can’t you hear her from here? “I have the POWER!” Pinky and the Brain have nothing on Hillary.
and here was the money quote:
First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate.
Oh? And that wouldn’t work for Obama? Like, hasn’t he been throwing money at them to get them to defect and threatening their congressional districts? Did he make John Lewis an offer he couldn’t refuse? “Nice congressional district you got there, John. You wouldn’t want anything to *happen* to it, would you?” But never mind, he’s got all the bases covered. He’s trying to steal unearned delegates from Florida as well. Like all of the negative campaigning and faux race-baiting accusations towards Clinton wasn’t enough? Flooding caucuses with people who probably shouldn’t be there isn’t enough? Telling the world that your opponent is planting stories about your pastor and that implying that your opponent has an ethics problem that you plan to expose in a mother of all negative campaigns isn’t enough? Jeex, whatever happened to the new politics and Change! Instead, Obama heads to the fainting couch every time he feels he’s a little behind, blaming it all on that woman who’s unleashed her minions on him. I hope his acting skills are up to the $250M GOP assault machine.
And as for that 50 state strategy, well, let’s just say that a Democratic victory that doesn’t include NY, NJ, CA, MA, AZ, OH, MI and FL, isn’t a Democratic victory. And at this point, Howard Dean’s brilliant strategy to shove Obama deep down into our throats is making the rest of us gag. I got news for you, Kos. You can’t count on us in November if you insist on writing off those states I just mentioned. Oh, and throw PA, KY and WV in there just for make weight. Dream on, buddy.
Most Americans didn’t read the Sayings of Chairman Kos. They don’t care about your theories. But the split that Senator Obama has generated within the party by a.) manufacturing a race-baiting campaign b.) acting like Florida and Michigan don’t matter and c.) acting like the rest of the *base* doesn’t matter, will not be healed by Obama after the primaries are over. We are not going to all join hands and sing Kumbaya and kiss and hug and have makeup sex. Ain’t going to happen, Kos. We of the faithful Democratic base still have some dignity and will teach you and Howard a lesson you will never forget. And you know what? We don’t care *just* about whether the twenty somethings don’t have access to safe legal abortion. Because THAT would be single issue politics. And we don’t care about those Yuppies who think Obama is cool because he didn’t vote for the war because THAT would be single issue politics. And we don’t care that you are wringing your hands over the incursion of the consultant class into politics because THAT would be single issue politics.
In fact, your whole site belies the tenets of your Crashing the Gates philosophy. Each one of your remaining Kossacks has a litmus test for why he/she won’t vote for Hillary but there’s no really good reason for voting for Obama. He’s just the negative afterimage of what Clinton is, in the narrow, cramped quarters of their minds. He has no core Democratic principles. He is appealing to Liberatians, like you. And guess what, Kos? The “West” doesn’t have many people in it. yeah, amazing fact. Most of the DEMOCRATS are located on the coasts and rust belt states. You know, the states full of the Edith Bunkers that Obama doesn’t think he needs that voted against Obama by decisive margins in the primaries?. Go figure.
He is the ultimate tofu candidate with a campaign machine that adopts negative GOP campaign strategies to divide and conquer. Mission accomplished. Enjoy your little fantasy while it lasts. The rest of us will vote for the *real* Democrat or write her name in on the ballot. Obama can’t win by hostile and negative campaigning that alienates half of his base, and he won’t.
We’re Splitsville.
Here are some other fine bloggers who have had it up to here with Kos and the Gang of Four (Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and Kennedy) Yeah, we’ve got your number alright.
DailyKos Writer’s Strike Shows Increasingly Bitter Obama/Clinton Democratic Rift
Filed under: Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: Kos' stupid post, Obama's negative campaign, party disunity
My dad has always hated the very idea of super delegates, thinking that the very idea of them is an insult to Democrats everywhere.
Imagine my surprise when this morning he told me, “I’m resting my hopes on the Super Delegates. They’re all we’ve got”
Coup by Super Delegate? No. It’s actually in OUR hands. If Obama’s campaign could threaten John Lewis, I guess we can play that game to. But maybe we could be a little nicer: My Governor endorsed Obama. And there are SEVERAL Super Delegates around the state who haven’t endorsed.
I think they all deserve at least a letter….
oooh …good.
yeah, take that ye wee bastid!
riverdaughter, somehow we have to pull this out.
Whether we vote for him or not won’t matter, he doesn’t stand a chance in Novemer. I keep thinking I will wake up from this nightmare and I don’t. This morning I took some small comfort from a lot of comments on Taylor Marsh suggesting that he is ready for the butter and jam because of the Reverend Wrong, but we need to make people see that it is not just that, but a lot of other reasons he is not ready.
No makeup sex for me either.
Great rant by the way, you made my afternoon!
(waving at riverdaughter & tucsonlynn) I think St. Patrick’s Day should be a holiday from work!
Sounds about right to me!
katiebird, you are too cute with your virtual visual and sound effects.
Nice post the other day. i got to it the next day, and wanted to tell you that every time I hear someone talk trash about the Clinton’s marraige, I refer them to the photo of them in the hammock. If you haven’t seen it, just google Bill and Hillary Clinton in a hammock. It is a lovely shot and radiates pure love.
(giggling) Really, tucsonlynn?? (blushing)
That’s a lovely photo — I wonder if it’s too late to add a link to the post? And thank you VERY much for your kind words. I’m glad I had the chance to share that story.
Yes, of course, any woman who is tenacious and focused on her goals and thinks herself best qualified for the job must be MAD. MAD, I tell you!!! Power-hungry, aggressive women, they’re MONSTERS, I tell you! And if she gets the nomination, she’ll be just as tenacious and aggressive and power MAD against McCain! Imagine! It’s just toooooo horrible to contemplate!
Sigh. The same old shit, still.
riverdaughter, thank you for reading the Orange front page so we don’t have to.
LM: No problem. Now, if I could only scrub this orange $#%^ off of my eyeballs….
litigatormom, one of my sister’s says that line about how Hillary will do anything to win. I had to walk away or I’d have started screaming.
It seems to me that if Hillary would REALLY do anything to win, we’d have heard about Reverend Wright a long, long time ago. Because I’m pretty sure, she’s known about it.
There’s a lot of things she could have done to stop him if she’d really been ready to do anything.
And the proof that she’s not playing dirty is that people were so shocked by that so-called “red phone” ad. That ad wouldn’t even have been noticed in some campaign cycles.
They’re just made, ’cause she’s a sticker. They hate that.
Great post, riverdaughter. I couldn’t bring myself to read Kos’ silly piece. Really, his is so simple-minded when it comes to politics. I can’t believe anyone takes him seriously. I wouldn’t dream of reading his book, so I have no idea what his “crashing the gate” philosphy is. I gather from what you said that it has something to do with avoiding single issue politics and growing the Democratic party by making it more Republican.
BB: That just about sums it up. I didn’t see the Republican aspect. I thought he just wanted to get Democrats elected by making them chip off the edges of their single passions. But look at what we got stuck with? Bush Dogs.
That’s what happens when you abandon your core Democratic principles.
I did go take a peek at the front page a little while ago, and in addition to the power-mad Hillary piece, kos has a diary about how it’s not really true that Daily Kos is committed to the election of ALL Democrats — just Democrats who are committed to a grass-roots, 50 state strategy.
In other words, just the Democrats that kos likes.
I didn’t need to read the rest of the diary.
rd–
To me libertarianism is Republican, not Democrat. If you’re in favor of personal freedoms, but not for a social safety net, in my book, you are not a Democrat.
An AP writer says Obama is arrogant. Ya think?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080317/ap_ca/on_deadline_arrogance
Some quotes:
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“The freshman senator told reporters in July that he would overcome Hillary Rodham Clinton’s lead in the polls because “to know me is to love me.” ”
“A few months later, he said, “Every place is Barack Obama country once Barack Obama’s been there.” ”
“Privately, aides and associates of Obama tell stories about a boss who can be aloof and ungracious. He holds firmly to views and doesn’t like to be challenged, traits that President Bush packaged and sold under the “resolute” brand in the 2004 election. For Bush, those qualities proved to be dangerous in a time of war and in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.”
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Finally, someone in the corporate media realizes that Obama is like Bush.
Obama and his supporters better get used to humble pie because right now Obama is burnt toast! I only wish the MSM and the DNC had done their job and vetted this candidate sooner. Our democratic party is in big trouble!
Who was the first to work at splitting the party apart?
That would be Mr. Markos! with his allowance of mob rule at his site.
He needs to sit down and shut up.
I can’t even speak to my Obamabot friends anymore. There is so much bad blood that I’ve basically stopped all contact with one of my friends who is a wannabe Obama boy blogger. Today his online message said that there is no way that Clinton can win the nomination and that she is tearing the party apart. He says he’ll never forgive the Clintons for dragging Obama down. Umm…how are they doing that exactly? He’s screwed himself over with Rev. Wright. I’m seriously sick of this. There’s no way our party can come together after this.
DV: Oh, I think it can come together again. It just won’t happen with Obama as the nominee. At this point, Clinton is the only one who can do it.
She’s mad I tell you, MAD! See her wild eyed gaze and word salad gibberish as she slobbers on herself and eats beetles in her cell.”
I lguhed my head off reading this…funny!!!!!!
Was Markos always such a pretentious wiriter with the “nay” stuff or was he just watching HBO?
Lord Kos forgot to read his own FAQ. What an… What an arrogant, puffed up person, to be sure. Why would anyone with an ounce of integrity blog for an Obama 527?
that would be laughed my head off.
cheers – later
he ought to spend less time ranting against people who have left his website, and more updating his FAQs, which have quaint notions like “we span the spectrum of democrats…”. apparently, that’s no longer operative, as ron zeigler would say. hell, he ought to just paste this rant in as the new FAQ.
hell, if he had been honest about the whole thing we would have left long ago. we thought it was a democratic website. silly us.
Briefly re John Lewis — I do not believe his decision was moved by duress, but by enthusiasm for the possibility of seeing a distant dream fulfilled improbably within his lifetime. I am disappointed, but I understand and may have more to say later).
For the rest, let us take care in swearing oaths and delivering ultimatums. November is a long way away, and so is Obama.
All I can say is that if Obama is the nominee, I will go with the trend … and will exercise a post-partisan perspective in all subsequent voting decisions.
Judith,
To answer your question: Yes, Markos was always a pompous ass. I went to his blog because there were so many good writers there putting up diaries on the right side of the site. Now most of those diarists have left and Markos’s site is filled with pompous asses like himself. Markos was always rude and arrogant too, so it makes sense that he’d be attracted to Obama.
Oh honey! You tell it!
My, but I do feel inspired about the younger generation when I read this kind of thing. I’m old and tired but you give me hope. I feel a monetary contribution coming on.
Your site is now my homepage!
Should BOzo buy off the nom, I’ll be writing in Hillary.
If any of you still have accounts, and want to cancel them, like I want to cancel mine, rec my diary. Snicker.
Another home run, Goldie! I’d love to see this cross posted at mydd and, dare I say it, the rotten orange.
Er, Rosaleen, I’m OLD by Obamaphile standards. But thanks.
ronk: Sorry, I should make clear that I don’t speak for you. However, there are a lot of others out there who are made as hell and spitting nails and aren’t going to take it sitting down. I don’t think we have any control over what they do. I just know that if it’s Obama vs McCain this fall, there won’t be a Democrat on the ballot.
Judith, Kos does not have a sense of humor. He is not funny but he is frequently wrong.
I think we should forget Markos and focus on Obama. perhaps I should advise the folks @ Hillarysvoice to do the same? it seems a waste of energy right now.
Lambert: What are you trying to say? I would rec you but my privileges were suspended, remember? Better just to walk away from it. You can always poach your stuff later.
BB: Thanks for the article.
I had to laugh at the line “to know me is to love me”
It reminds me of an episode of StarTrek TNGeneration. Before his death, a megalomaniac scientist manages to transfer his memories into Data, the android. Later, when delivering his own eulogy, Data, now under the control of the scientist, says something like:
“those who knew him loved him. Those who did not know him loved him from afar” (not exact quote but close enough)
Maybe if I got to know Obama better I would get to love him?
daria-g: I don’t think it’s a waste if you manage to discredit him or his site. And if Kos is reacting like this, it’s because it’s working. We have to knock this viral machine out or restore the cell to health. Either one will help stop the spewing of Obama memes.
You all are suprised at Kos? Really? He’s always had an oedipal fascination with the Clintons. In order for him to have any credibility/influence, he needed to take down the Clintons. He’s been taking shots at them for years and essentially mirroring GOP talking points from the outset. I’ve always viewed his motivation to be taking down the Clintons.
Ironically, groups like MoveOn started as a response to the GOP distorting reality to take down the Clintons, but has joined “post-partisan” Obama (read capitulation) to…take down the Clintons.
Upstate: Not according to some new AP article. (I think I saw it at TaylorMarsh.) Apparently, to his staff, Obama is aloof and discourteous. So, I suspect there is not a whole lot of love lost there.
Awesome post!
Keep it uuuuuup!
gqmartinez: remind me again, why do we want to take down the Clintons? I’ve forgotten.
rd: darn… I was HOPING that maybe I could CHANGE.
dearest riverdaughter – wow, this is BRILLIANT writing. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. keep up the good work!
Justus: You’ve been hanging out at DailyKos too long, haven’t you? This is the standard for much of the Clinton blogosphere.
(Please don’t feed the ego)
great article!
I love how the Obamans get all outraged at the thought that Hillary might “poach” some of Obama’s superdelegates. SWOOOOON!!! Evil, mad, monstrous, AMBITIOUS Hillary!
Well, Obama called our new governor, David Paterson, as soon as he took over for disgraced Eliot Spitzer. Seems he though Paterson, though a pledged delegate for Hillary since 2006, could be convinced to switch his vote, thus gaining Obama a powerful superdelegate vote.
Paterson said, “Thanks, but no thanks. I pledged to Hillary and that’s who I’m voting for.”
Three guesses as to why Obama, who never ever EVER injects race into the debate, was arrogant enough to think that Paterson would switch his vote.
It absolutely could NOT be because of the fact that Paterson is black….
madamab: Does Paterson know he’s black? I would think that color is pretty irrelevent to a man who relies on his other senses, judgment and sense of humor.
Riverdaughter, you said: “This is the standard for much of the Clinton blogosphere.”
There are a lot of good writers out there in the Clinton blogosphere but you are way above the standard. I appreciate your modesty, though.
Do you accept financial contributions here? I couldn’t find a place to do that.
Hillary Support Group. Cause the blog-boyz get on your nerves!
Lambert, I have an old account over there. Never used it. I found your diary (hahaha!) but I don’t know how to rec it. Can you help? Thanks.
rosaleen: Thank you very much for your offer but I would like for this site to be as unencumbered by money as possible. For the time being, WordPress is under control and not very expensive if I need more space. In the future, we may move to a new format and may need to accept contributions. But money tends to have a corrupting influence on free speech and this is fun for me. If I got paid for it, it would feel too much like work and I wouldn’t want to do it.
OK then I send you good thoughts.
Wow, Kos has lost all reasoning. He is spewing Obama camp talking point left and right and is now nothing more than another mouthpiece for Obama.
DKos is proof that the Obama’s camp is extremely divisive; they just do their dirty work in a sneaky, underhanded way, and Kos is on the frontline of this stealth divisiveness. Obama keeps his hands clean, and his bots do all his smears for him. Markos should be ashamed of himself for turning dKos into an irrational hate site. It’s as if he has lost his mind for Obama. Sad!
rosaleen: Good thoughts gratefully accepted. Thanks!
Senator Bill Perkins, from NY:
“This is not Bill Clinton’s backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation, underscore backyard.”
Maybe it’s inconsequential/insignificant, but that comment was made at the beginning of February…That raises race as an issue. It attaches images of slaves/slaveholding to a former President.
How is this not 10 times worse than what Geraldine Ferraro spoke?
Ugh, I accidentally saw the post KOS did somewhere and clicked on it and it took me to the dreaded site that I try to avoid. It gives me a headache to even view the home page anymore. I’ve deleted my bookmarks, etc. and am avoiding like the plague and building up quite an array of bookmarks of places I enjoy visiting.
I think it’s pretty funny in an ironic way that *o* wrote this. Especially considering Bill Bradley’s comments, which I took as subtle or maybe not so subtle threat that superdelegates vote a certain way (for BO) or find themselves in a primary reelection bid. Kind of like political extortion no?
I honestly don’t know if I would be able to vote for BO in a GE. His campaign is so negative, it’s hard to believe for me. It’s so rovian, you accuse the other person of running a negative campaign, race baiting, etc., but all the time you are the one doing it and people believe it.
Quite frankly the devotion and the failure of some of BO’s supporters frighten me in the same way that all of GWB’s supporters did calling in on CSPAN in the run up to the 2004 election and afterward. It is so similar that it’s downright eerie.
Now David Patterson, that is one African American candidate that I would like to know more about in a future prez race. He told the greatest joke about Bruno at the swearing in. Said that Bruno invited him to the “ranch” to dinner sometimes, Patterson replied, Love too ‘ll be sure to bring my taster with me. I about fell out of my chair laughing…He gave a great speech, even people who don’t like speeches might listen for his fabulous sense of humor.
Gotta be of superior intellect since he supports Hillary.
Otis: sorry about that. I’ll post a warning next time. Pretty funny joke about Paterson. I knew he had a good sense of humor. But I’m not rushing to embrace any more politicians just because they give good speech. He has to prove it. Of course, his endorsement of Hillary is a good start.
So Hillary must now rely on “low-information voters.”
Methinks (hell, if he can say “Nay,” I can say “methinks”) the Orange One is calling us (and women, and older Americans, and Latinos) stupid. Only dumb people could not support Barack, after all!!!
But I have to ask … “low information” as in … those who believe Clinton is racist? Those who lack information about her longstanding, documented dedication to civil rights? Those who actually believe that her campaign distributed the “native garb” picture? Does Kos mean THOSE kinds of low information voters?
Cuz I’m pretty sure those “stupid” folks are voting for a different candidate.
Markos has been brought so low that he is reduced to going over to MyDD to talk to Clinton supporters. Is that laughable or what?
Ohhh, so the royal we is stooping to talk to us?
Wait, aren’t we just a “shrinking band of paranoid holdouts” who ” wail and scream about all those evil people who have “turned” on Clinton and are no longer “honest power brokers” or “respectable voices” or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little “strikes” when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war”
I’m sure he meant it in the nicest possible way.
“the Orange One is calling…Latinos stupid” He reveals his own self-loathing.
I’m a proud, card carrying member of the:
“Shrieking band of paranoid holdouts” (per KOS).
Wow, what a way to ask me to vote for his candidate! LOL!
Simon Barsinister? Is this a job for Underdog?
Can the Democrats not READ? 90% of Obama’s supporters say they will support Clinton. The number of Clinton supporters who say they will not support Obama has jumped to 40% from 25% and likely to grow. There are a hell of a lot of Democrats who are upset not just at Obama’s campaign tactics, but at the DNC, the Democratic Establishment, uh, disenfranchising major states. They’re being overoptimistic if they think we’ll just “forget.”
“the Orange One is calling us (and women, and older Americans, and Latinos) stupid”
There was once a post from a major (sexist as hell) Kos guy saying that Latinos only support Hillary because that’s the only word they know. If latinos weren’t so ignorant and illiterate, they would be on Team Annointed. Voter outreach at its finest.
riverdaughter: Markos holds us in the highest esteem and the deepest affection. I love it when he uses demeaning language. It makes me hot.
Riverdaughter, you rock! I love this post.
I’m from Georgia and I can tell you that John Lewis was threatened and coerced by the black constituency here to change his vote. They threatened to not reelect him. MLK Jr. admitting saying to Lewis, “If it comes down to your vote, are you going to deny us history.” The sad thing is Obama knows what’s going on and says nothing. He then has the gall to accept his support.
We need to start a write-in campaign.
I’m with you. Roe-v-Wade is a single issue (besides the fact that my theory is the Republicans would never allow Roe to be overturned, because it turns out their voters). My issue is reforming the Democratic party away from nominating lesser candidates for stupid reasons. And letting shrill little nutcase boys command the political internet.
Besides, imagine, Obama the Kerry-Kennedy puppet, Pelosi and Reid. Is that the government we need at this time?
No.
Well, at least in my state, if the superdelegates bow to the will of the people, Kennedy, Kerry, and Patrick (who all should really be able to tell a timid centrist from an actual liberal) will have to toe the people’s party line — and vote for Hillary.
Heh.
Never mind the recs. All that they’ve done so far is take my commenting privileges away. (Typical: now I have no way to respond to anything that’s said.)
But what I want is for my account to be closed and all my content deleted.
So, I dropped them a note saying I had no wish to be associated with the functional equivalent of an Obama 527. Maybe that will get their attention.
lambert: You should have left a record of Obama dissing diaries behind if you want to ruin Obama 527. I have a whole slew of them, including one based on your piece at Corrente. Truly tasty!
My account will live on like a dirty Pamper in a landfill.
Bonita and others — I have no doubt that Rep. Lewis was threatened and coerced. I don’t believe this is why he switched.
rd — I’m shitting nails with the best of them. I just advise a suspended judgment re future contexts and consequences.
I have not decided what I might do, or even which sequel I’d prefer, in the case that Obama secures the nomination.
We’re in a world of post-Bush hurt already, and an impended progressive coalition come-apart may not even be a top-three concern. I can’t imagine things being so good our votes don’t matter … but I can imagine things being so bad our votes don’t matter.
I think you’ll find this clip a little ironic:
ronk: at this point when it comes to economics, I put bot McCain and Obama in the same category. Both of them will be over their heads if/when the bottom falls out. Clinton may have an edge.
My split is not to embrace McCain. It is to disassociate myself with the Libertarian ideologues of the party.
If things go really, really sour, there’s no question that Clinton is the one I want. Obama’s all about potential, and that means Obama’s all about risk. No more risks taken on with no due diligence, please!
Hey, that gives me an idea. I think I’ll post links to all of Corrente’s posts on Obama — with titles. That’ll give ‘em something to think about. The ol’ dirty pampers routine. If you can’t turn the handle all the way off, then turn it all the way on.
Maybe an idea for others who still have accounts? Heck, let’s Google Bomb Kos to our pages. Be sure to put Obama in every title
How do you google bomb someone? Btw, Lambert, I figured out how to rec your post over there. I wonder if that caused my privileges to be curtailed. Mostly I’m curious about google bombing. Thanks if you can explain it.
I don’t have a problem with Rep. Lewis changing his vote if you truly believe Obama was the better candidate. If he thought Obama was the better candidate, why didn’t he endorse him from the start. What did he do or Hillary do to change his stance. He didn’t say Obama was the better candidate but that the time for the movement is now.
And as for that 50 state strategy, well, let’s just say that a Democratic victory that doesn’t include NY, NJ, CA, MA, AZ, OH, MI and FL, isn’t a Democratic victory. And at this point, Howard Dean’s brilliant strategy to shove Obama deep down into our throats is making the rest of us gag
There’s a petition out for Clinton to concede. Obama should conced because he can’t win.